Hello friends, I own a decent amount of co-op FPS games and was wondering if this game sets itself out from the rest? I'm used to playing KF2 for the most part and just don't want a L4D clone.
pls respond
Do you want a competently made L4D clone with the addition of different characters that aren't just reskins of one another and a loot/crafting system as well as optional objectives in the levels themselves that make you balance greater risk for greater loot reward?
If yes, then buy it. If not, then don't.
No versus mode at present though sadly.
>>322454962
It's a l4d clone with loot and progression.
>>322454962
i dont knowim glad i could help
Classes are pretty distinct, grimoires are a decent new mechanic, and the enemy variety is probably subpar. Other than that, no, it's the same as ever.
>>322456038
shit on my ass
>>322455821
This dude is a shill.
It's ok, the characters are fun and melee is probably the best part of the game. The loot system is a little fucked and so are a lot of the mechanics.
Like L4D but not.
Even when you see a rats weapon pass feet in front of you after a dodge you get hit.
Trash game, trash Devs
Sounds like a suck butt game. I'll stick to KF2 thanks senpai
>>322454962
It's like playing L4D for the first time
It is fun and stays fun as long as you find it fun
It needs more maps though and some more multiplayer variety
Sadly the engine makes it hard to allow custom mods
>>322456980
>KF2
It's good, but it doesn't really have replayability. Loot is more of an annoyance than an encouragement.
That said, I have 110~ hours in it.
>>322457609
>no replayability
nigger the game is nothing but replayability with how fucking full of ses the AI and director system is. I have never in 400 fucking hours played the same game of vermintide once. Whether it's a fucking pack nigger dragging my friends to the fucking shadow realm or the BIG BOY about to nut as he turns into a literal land shark while a waterfall of rats knocks me off a bridge. No two games in vermintide are EVER the same.
>>322458024
>BIG BOY about to nut
she SUCC
>>322459085
>>322458024
Guys I really, REALLY need a director to bully me with 20 naked rat men RIGHT NOW. Please?!?
>>322459720
FUCK YOU HAVE SOME GAS FAGET
>>322458024
>>322459085
>>322459405
>>322459720
Bless this ravaged thread!
>>322457609
how could you hate a game where this shit happens on the daily senpai?
>>322456980
its better than kf2
>>322454962
>if this game sets itself out from the rest?
Not really. It is still enjoyable though, just not any more enjoyable than the rest of them that follow the same formula.
It's such a good deal!
>>322460161
>enemy is 3 meters away
>gets hurled away by shield bash
What is happening?
>>322460616
These are the End Times.
I got like 90hours played and all of the bullshit hits I take are really starting to ruin the game for me.
It's a point where your skill doesnt matter since the game is broken.
>>322460871
I feel the same way, It really boosts my gameplay.
>>322460923
>>322455821
>addition of different characters that aren't just reskins of one another
Dont lie
I got this game for christmas from a friend, here are its strong points:
>L4D core gameplay
>Item progression
>You can improve your loot quality by carrying items that use up a core item slot and (sometimes) handicap your entire party - risk vs reward
>Each character you use has unique mechanics
>Especially Bright Wizard, which is hard to play but extremely rewarding as well
>The enemies have actual voice acting
>The atmosphere is good, like L4D, unlike L4D2
>Their special "infected" are much more scary than the L4D ones
>You can actually run out of ammo
negatives:
>AI that replaces humans is batshit retarded
>No versus mode
>The loot enhancers are always in the same location, which leads to:
>Part of the community is made of loot hoarding autistic elitists
>Performance issues on the CPU side, if you have AMD CPU you will have to turn off all the fancy shit like bloom, motion blur, etc.
>Matchmaking is slow
>>322460871
get good kid
>>322460616
Wider FoV causes that effect. The enemy in reality is more likely a foot or two away.
>>322461404
>There are people who still don't know that rats hit you behind walls, under the ground and through ceilings if they can reach you from the other side
It's shit but for the most part the geometry doesn't allow it.
My own major gripe is how the ogre sometimes goes into merry go round mode and rats that jump down roofs inside walls and then teleport into a roll so looking behind you and then turning around can get you hit within less than a second from behind again.
>>322462081
Oh man now you reminded me of that anon some threads ago.
>"Higher fov increases your hitbox!"
Then some rant about 100 fov giving super distorted image and killed his family with ocular asscancer.
What's the next character you want?
I want a something from the skaven or the orks.
Would create some interesting conversations.
schluesselschloss when?
>>322455821
>as well as optional objectives in the levels themselves that make you balance greater risk for greater loot reward?
Somebody is full of shit.
>>322462676
>I never picked up a grimoire
>>322462735
>All maps have grimoires!
>Still not fucked over with RNG!
Yeah, no. ur a fag
>>322462676
Not really if you pick up both grimoires you are guaranteed two dice to be prefect rolls so not matter what you will not roll anything less then that. Plus the 3 tomes in the level give you a higher chance to get better rolls on 3 dice. While not perfect at least something in the game exist to get a albeit slightly more consistent dice roll.
>>322462964
you have no grimoires on that pic
grimoires give guaranteed hit on rolls asspie
>>322462964
>3 greens
stop playing on foetus difficulty and actually play the game
JUST GIVE ME THE FUCKING POT AND HEAL SHARE TRINKETS
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM DROP
FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>322463062
>>322462997
The picture is to illustrate how shit RNG is. Fag.
>>322463087
I am too shit. I can't handle Cata.
>>322463090
>level 30
>have less grim hp reduction
>have potion sharing
>have heal sharing
I guess it's ok if you get it to work. Prepare to refund after getting zero replies to bug reports.
>>322454962
it's a 1:1 l4d clone
How many times does the potions stack?
Can you have 4x speed pots at the same time?
>>322463191
>no tomes
>no grims
>no loot dies
>complaining about loot
you are the only shit m8
>>322463191
>The picture is to illustrate how shit RNG is. Fag.
Yes I can understand that you filthy savage however if you get the grims you can get at least two guaranteed dice, also playing no a higher difficulty grants you better items on the lower brackets.
>>322454962
Very good melee L4D clone ruined by its lack of content and pure shit loot system that wants to make you just run the instances endlessly and just hoping for something worthwhile to drop.
Some weapons and perks just seem worthless and having so many random elements to acquiring gear just sucks ass - I know they helped it a bit with the Shrine they introduced but still
>acquire loot dies
>hope for good items on the list
>hope for a good roll
>hope for a good item type
>hope for good perks
>hope for good perk % when unlocked
So basically you just have to farm endlessly if you aren't lucky - and the measly number of maps for that is just not good, theres no variety in them, no different paths, no scrambled tome/grim locations, the most that can happen is that you get your Ratogre is a good place, or a very bad one
And with each map being barely as long as a segment of a run in L4D - this is shamefully little content for this extrapolated loot system.
I'll buy it once it has a TON of maps added to it - if that ever happens.
>>322463749
I meant
>acquire loot dies/grimoires/tomes
>>322463716
Nigger, it may sound to you like it is a good idea to point obvious things, but in reality - it is just a waste of time.
I am too shit to play it on Cataclysm. I can barely pull off Nightmare. All I have is shit green loot. And by the way I roll, I'll be stuck with that shit for a while now. Now I know about the forge and the altar, so save your breath here too.
Point I was trying to make was that RNG is really shit in this game. No matter what you say or try and justify with higher difficulty/grimoires - SHIT RNG.
*drops mic*
P.S. - Not even mad.
>>322461404
Zornks!
>>322464045
All you have to do is run Magnus hard with 2grim3tome. Do it all the time with pubs, could probably solo it if bots held shit.
>>322464045
play on hard get the grims and tomes to up your chances the lack of no friendly fire alone makes that mode a joke, and I'm not saying that rgn isn't shit however what I am saying there are means to go around it a bit.
>>322464045
You don't need good items. You just need to find something of a certain rarity level, and that's only for a few weapons like the WH's rapier to oneshot storms. The traits are just a bonus.
>>322463191
you're so fucking bad
>>322464268
I don't like that map. Instead of fun, game turns in-to farming.
>>322464280
Randoms tend to be really weird in their decisions. Like aggro the patrol, then Scooby-Doo adventures all over the fucking map. Then someone meets special and we all get fucked.
>>322464282
It is really hard when you need to shoot a rat two times for it to die.
>>322464391
I know, right.
>>322464569
Can't help you there, besides get friends I suppose.
>>322464282
>You don't need good items.
This is just outright false
>>322464661
Can you help me with an advice please? How to kill Rakogri on Nightmare? I never ever succeeded with any group I've played.
>>322464837
>dodge back
>seriously it's not hard, don't get hit you retard
>let WH or BW get a STR pot
>watch him die in <10 secs
>>322464664
I do fine on NM as Markus or Elf in blues. Even got a green rifle on Markus.
>>322464973
Quality advice!
>>322464837
STR pot + grenade is a good start and just block and back dash and get some hits in. I just like to think I'm playing Dark Souls.
>>322465127
That's all you have to do. And if haven't got the ogre on your ass, and you aren't the WH/BW, for god's sake keep the adds off people. They're way nastier than the ogre, with the retards getting tunnelvision on the ogre.
>>322465321
Understood. It is just that it feels like I don't do any damage with greens.
What are considered good weapons for each hero?
>>322465609
Fuck, I don't know. I like S/D and D/D on the elf, and pretty much anything but sword and shield or greatsword on Markus. Only thing that seems blatantly unbalanced seems to be the ranged weapons. Beam staff is ridiculously strong and nobody should ever use anything else, dual pistols is the same, and the rifles are great because of a lack of options.
>full patrol closing in
>str pot + bomb
>throw
>watch as all the stormvermin fly in slowmo
>jerk your dick
Feels so good.
>>322454962
It's extremely balanced around picking up items scattered through the level that
1). Increase loot dropped at the end
2). Reduce your party's health, or inconvenience your party in some way
Higher difficulties drop better loot.
It's very hardcore in the way difficulty reduces your chance of completing an area and successfully getting loot, and only the best players can successfully get gear. Most people whining about the loot system in here probably can't complete nightmare mode consistently and probably never beat a round on cataclysm.
>>322466713
>3hardcore5me
>>322454962
Gettin' real tired of all the shitters trying to run Horn of Magnus lately...
I just want some decent loot ;_;
>>322464664
I need to try and run a cata with greens or blues, I don't think there will be much of a problem. If you control the enemies it doesn't really matter if they die in 2 or 4 hits. Of course it will be harder but the traits really don't do that much. I'd rather have a white 2hand warhammer than an orange 1h mace.
>>322467225
And I'd rather get healed on my hits than not.
>>322467141
Me too anon, me too.
So speaking of, is there /v/ group with high ranked people?
>>322463278
I hate you anon. I'm fucking 130 and I've never even gotten pot nor grim reduction in ANY quality. I'd trade my orange heal share for a green of those.
>>322463749
>I'll buy it once it has a TON of maps added to it - if that ever happens.
The texture and architecture quality is absolutely amazing though. Everything feels so "organic" with things twisting and turning without perfect symmetry. I won't expect a lot of new maps any time soon.
>>322467363pot share is orange
Game is fucking awesome, combat is so smooth and everything just feels good
>>322467640
I just woke up and I lost it.
Shelf the elf.
>>322467583
That may be but if my unluckiness forces me to farm the game - I need more variety than the pitiful amount we have.
>>322465609
Soldier = 2h warhammer and rifle, spam charge attacks and dodge counters
Dwarf = 2h warhammer and rifle, same as above
Elf = Anything but 1h sword, gas arrows WRECK ogres
WH = Rapier and brace of pistols
Mage = Non-flaming sword and beam staff, beam ramps up damage and straps ogre of 90% of it's hp if you go from 0 to 98% overheat in one discharge
*All* 1h anything without shields is useless. I cry a little every time I see a WH with an axe.
>>322462964
>roll dice that are more likely to land on a blank space than not
>get butthurt when the statistical outcome happens
>Kill tiny rat skittering on the ground near an ally
>*Ding* Anon assisted AnonHeh
>>322468146
1h swords are pretty good, the charge attack and headshot are nice
>>322467297
You knew this was coming but:
>Getting hit on cata
>Heal on kill/hit mattering much
A single strike can strip you of 4 bars or more so getting that 10 hp back isn't worth it over things like aiding your stamina so you DON'T get hit as easily.
>>322467640
>Elf shoots you as Saltspyre
>"I expected as much, elf."
The best and the worst players use elf. I had a 150 rank dude the other day deal ~8k damage every round with dagger/sword and trueflight.
>>322468302
I hate how they have too many diagonal attacks and come to a complete halt if hitting more than 3-4 enemies. All they are good for is single or few targets, neither which is a problem for any other weapon.
Anyone else feel they messed up cata weapon balance though? WH 2h sword goes from 1hit headshot on nightmare to 2 hit headshot and 3-4 swing normal attacks. Crossbows don't kill on body shot and doesn't even one shot storms in the head. Warhammer needs two normal swings per rat and a bunch of ranged weapons need 2 bodyshots.
it's a fun game
kind of runs like shit though
>>322468683
You have to be a literal retard not to win damage with that combo. S/D is stupid strong, and trueflight shits out damage.
>>322468146
lmao no. it depends om team comp and weapon traits.
i won more fights with an orange dwarf 1h axe with heal and 2 extra stamina than with blue shield/hammer that give stamina back on hit.
How to git gud:
1. Pushing and blocking is a 360 sphere so you don't need to look at enemies to push or block them
2. Holding block while holding E to revive grants you 360 blocking as well the entire revive. As long as you have stamina you won't get interrupted, even when hit by storms. Allowing you to revive teammates in the middle of swarms without taking damage.
3. Pot share, grim health penalty decrease, hp share and duping items are the best trinkets.
4. Go for maximum CC weapons like 2h warhammer or tank with a shield
5. Best staffs for Bright Mage is Beam with a close 2nd Conflageration. They hit large groups in close quarters without dealing friendly damage even in nightmare and cata.
6. Don't stand near walls where rats are on the other side, they don't give a shit and hit you if they can. So can you though.
7. You can't stun or interrupt rats in middle of certain animations like when they are climbing. This means it's a poor choice to defend ledges if you get overwhelmed as they hit you between your combos. It's the same when dropping down from heights.
8. Running backwards from rats makes them do a running attack compared to you standing still, sidestepping or moving forward where they have to stop and start a swing, letting you CC them better.
9. To avoid damage from ogres, hold block when he gets close and back dodge as soon as he starts a hint of an animation. It should clear you from slam damage and only knock you back incase he uppercuts.
>>322469396
>1h axe
>1-2 enemies per normal hit
>Vertical charge single target swing
>Armor pierce with no range
Is this what it feels like to play on nightmare or lower?
Anyone gotten a single good red weapon yet?
Elf is the best character. Dat accent.
>>322471826
>starts healing
>complains that everyone is checking her out
REMOVE FEMINIST
>>322471936
>Weapon idle or block
>Angle it so it goes into Elf butt in the inn
>Looks like a 2m large object penetrating her
Hue
>>322454962
I'm not your friend, pal.
>>322472506
shut up Randy
