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What should I be practicing each day if I've just started?
just fucking play
get a grip on the basics
then learn to wavedash
gj now you fit in with the cool kids
>>322377037
L cancel
Wave dash
Chain grab
Other than that it's learning your spacing, punish, and neutral game
>>322377037
Learn platform movement, the most basic of things you're going to need.
People that get caught under or above platforms are fucked if they don't know how to properly move around
>>322377037
It's not a serious fighting game. If you aren't playing with friends and for fun, you are wasting your time
>>322377037
Practice tying a noose.
Basic tech like wavedashing, l-canceling, and platform movement.
Explore your options when it comes to approaching.
Study matchups and stage counterpicks
shield pressure
you should be able to short hop and wavedash 100% of the time without fail by the end of next week.
>>322378513
Not a thread for you homie. Need to fuck off.
>>322378513
but anon, what if we're having fun and making friends by playing competitively?
Movement. Before anything, learn how to move, how to avoid the enemy before you learn how to fight it. Wavedashing, Platform dropping, dashdancing.
>>322378910
>>322378164
>>322377848
>>322377389
Alright. Thank you. I've always had fun playing this at friends' places but now I want to actually learn it.
Give up. Games on its way out now that mlg is gone. Smash 4 gets more support at Nintendo events. You're too behind and it's too late.
who's the best character to learn fundamentals with?
>>322379393
Marth and Falcon are great for learning fundamentals and spacing. Try out Luigi for wavedashing.
>>322379379
>Melee
>ever giving a singular fuck about MLG
>>322379676
I've already been to a few tournaments, I lose often. I already know how to l-cancel, wavedash, shield dropping, ledge hogging and some other techniques. I'm just not perfect at it. Is the best way to practice all of that in training mode and just doing it over and over?
>>322379379
>now that mlg is gone
What is this, 2007? and people will stop caring about smash 4 shortly after it stops getting new characters
>>322379379
As if MLG was ever important to melee. They've held 2 tournaments in the last 5 years. Melee has only increased in size.
>>322379135
Also give every character a chance until you find one that really clicks with you, one that you can play well both on autopilot and when you're actually trying.
My friend had a really good fox for a while but then he started trying out falco. He played falco more and more, and even though it wasn't better than his fox, he still played him just because he felt more comfortable with him. In no time at all, his falco surpassed his fox and now he's one of the best players in my region.
>>322379379
Genesis 3 is right around the corner, what you talking about?
>>322379876
Actually, training mode is fucking annoying in Melee because you can't use the C-stick. No idea if that was kept in the 20XX pack. Speaking of, download 20XX if you haven't already and just keep practicing. It obviously depends on your character, but you also try to increase your movement speed and options. I play Luigi and Falcon and over the past couple months my friends noticed that my movement has gotten a lot more smooth, mostly because I'm wavelanding like a motherfucker. Also, I wouldn't really suggest practicing against level 9 AIs unless you really want to, as you can develop bad habits against them.
>>322380191
Definitely. I play on an emulator since my gamecube doesn't work currently. I can actually enable c-stick in training, which helps. I think I'm gonna get the 20xx pack because it has the debug option where your character's model is green whenever you're not moving. I feel like that would help.
>>322379876
get the 20XX hack pack, dude. It's amazing for practice. It should be even easier to get now that Tournament Edition is out.
>>322380490
tournament edition?
>>322377037
>just now starting to play a 14 year old game
why fucking bother
>>322380551
it's pretty much 20XX but a little more stable and without the custom skins. The cool thing about it is that it's stored on your memory card, so you can copy it to other people's memory cards too. Just have someone copy it to yours and you'll be able to play it if you have melee. All you do is access the name entry and it'll load up.
>>322377037
play an actual fighting game instead, smash is a party game you play with friends for fun, you don't need to "practice" anything
>>322380650
>why fucking bother
because there are tools available now that weren't available 14 years ago that allow people to get better much quicker. I mean all of the best players from back in the day ain't shit now, and new players are getting much better exceedingly faster.
if you want to play a fightan game, play a fightan game
>>322381141
>you're only allowed to play it one way
>>322381305
>get better at 8 button combinations!
>>322381603
>>322377037
Shorthopping. Its actually hard to do reliably in melee especially with fox.
>>322381443
you're wasting your time if you invest time trying to practice smash and be "good" instead of an actual game like street fighter, blazblue, guilty gear, KoF, etc.
>>322382362
but I also play Street Fighter and some Guilty Gear
Why shouldn't I have fun trying to be as best as possible at all of them?
>>322382571
because it's cringey, autistic, and embarrassing to do it with smash, while it's socially acceptable as well as more rewarding money-wise for SF and GG
>>322382673
>my opinions are now fact
get off it m8
>>322382362
But I do play SF, and I used to play Mahvel. I like Melee better. Sorry nigga, but I just feel that it's the more competitive game.
>>322382673
I'm not in it for the money
another fighting game I like is Melty Blood and I know full well its community is dying, but if I can find some other people to play it with, that's good enough for me
Sure money can raise the stakes, but at their core, I like fighting games because it's two people going at it and the best wins. simple as that
Smelling like shit.
>>322382673
>it's socially acceptable to play any fighting game competitively
Keep dreaming, buddy.
>>322383072
>but at their core, I like fighting games because it's two people going at it and the best wins. simple as that
well, super smash bros is not a fighting game, so there you go. you're treating it like one though, for whatever reason.
>>322382362
>quit playing games when you could just go to evo and win big bucks
Why doesn't he just play dota then?
That's where the real money is.
>Main
>Favorite stage
>Favorite song
>Favorite matchup
>Least favorite matchup
Just ignore shitposters by the way, they're only fucking up actual discussion.
>>322383624
because dota requires a team of 5 people who live in the same house, who practice 12-16 hours a day, every day
fightan games (that aren't kiddie smash) you can rise to the top solo, using just your own skills
>>322383703
>anyone who doesn't like smash is a shitposter
All this does is make the smash community look even worse. Thanks a lot.
>>322383604
Lucky for me, ,more and more tournament organizers disagree with you
>>322382673
what? playing smash gets as much money as fighting games if not more than most of them
>>322383930
No problem.
>>322383930
>anyone who doesn't like smash
Melee fan's typically don't like smash either. They just like melee.
>>322383703
Captian Falcon/Falco
Yoshi's Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pryMd2Sg02k
Falcon vs Marth
Falcon vs Puff
>>322384267
I like 64 andP:M
Smash 4 is ok for playing casually
>Starting a Melee thread this early
Bad move OP, wait till later when the shitposters are asleep.
>>322382673
T. Nigger
>>322383975
disagreeing with someone doesn't make them right
sakurai himself has said smash is not a fighting game and has described it as a PARTY game
>>322383719
>fightan games (that aren't kiddie smash) you can rise to the top solo, using just your own skills
What kind of logic is this? Of course you have to use your own skills to rise to the top in Melee.
It sounds like you just have some weird insecure bias against Melee for no real reason
>>322383703
>Luigi/Falcon
>Yoshi's
>Pokemon battle music
>Luigi vs spacies
>Luigi (or Falcon) vs Peach
>>322384691
melee isn't a fighting game though, so it's irrelevant, it's quite LITERALLY a game for children
>>322384556
>>322384127
SF literally had 4 times the prize pool Melee did at the last EVO.
>>322384828
So is street fighter, and literally every other videogame ever created
>>322384828
All video games are for children.
>>322384882
>>322383703
>Main
Marth/Doc
>Favorite stage
Yoshi's
>Favorite song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wLoirmq8MU
>Favorite matchup
Marth/Marth
>Least favorite matchup
Doc/Fox
>>322384951
>street fighter
>for children
lol and that's why the top pros are in their late 20s to early 30s huh
these threads are always big laughs watching all the backpedaling and damage control from autistic smash kids. mike ross and gootecks laugh at you niggas.
>>322384882
That looked really cool.
Please do not respond to FGCfags trying to bait you
Instead, why not post your predictions for Genesis 3?
Are we gonna see a new champ or another lolarmadawins?Will Mango finally stop sucking shit?
>>322385318
anon, are you not aware that brawl is part of the FGC? it also makes smash fans look really bad when you label everything we don't like as "bait", so don't do it!
>>322385254
So smash best players are kids?
also
>Competitive community defines the target audience
You''re retarded
>>322385254
Wait, are you literally saying that because people in their 20s and 30s play the game, it's not for children? Well shit, thanks for validating Melee using your own argument.
>>322385430
>Competitive community defines the target audience in a FUCKING GAME GENRE DESIGNED FROM THE GROUND UP TO BE COMPETITIVE
since it's 2016 and there are lots of cancerous fuckers like you who weren't here in 2003, i am actually not sure if you are trolling or legitimately retarded as fuck.
![LOLATYOURLIFE_zpsfdd86388[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/5TKeuec.png "LOLATYOURLIFE_zpsfdd86388[1].png")
>>322385254
>my video game is less autistic than your videogame
lmao dude Both of them are autistic as fuck but is funny as hell to see how you think street fighter is any less autistic and defending it in an anime imageboard
>>322383703
Jigglypuff/G&W
Poké Floats
Metal Mario
Puff vs. Peach
Puff vs. Fox
>>322384882
Too bad this was a TAS, if this was ever pulled off at a tournament, shit would be ridiculously hype.
>>322384828
>game has higher skill ceiling than 99% of other games
>game from 2001 is still relevant and presently growing
>game has insanely high APM, almost starcraft levels (depending on character)
Yet your only argument against it is "lololol kids game XD" you really take defending semantics to the next level
>>322385318
I believe in M2K
>>322385595
this is you right now
I would personally like to see one last hurrah from M2K
>>322385405
Well they're only here to stop any actual discussion by getting the majority of posters to respond to them by posting about autism or whatever.
>>322385684
>game has higher skill ceiling than 99% of other games
LOL pic related
>>322377037
Fundamentals, nigger.
>>322378513
But "serious" videogames are the ones where you win a lot of money and fighting games are not in that category dude. So you ware "wasting" your time on streetfighter or whatever you play just as much as a smash player if you don't see the aspect of fun
>>322385779
>Chillin still doing those scrubby side-b's to this day
When you've been playing the game for so long, there's no excuse
>>322383703
Yoshi, also sometimes play Doc.
Stadium, or Battlefield.
Fucking Dreamland and Stadium muh boys and FoD.
Yoshi vs Spacies is fun.
Yoshi vs floaties is fucking horse shit.
I have basically no one to play with though other than one friend who's around here every couple months and will only play for like an hour at a time. Got to play with some competitive players a few months ago though and got to improve a lot with them.
>>322386176
Actually, the fact that he's been playing so long is kind of an excuse. Same reason you see Ken doing the full side-b with Marth still.
>>322386176
He really should have thrown in the towel after getting fucked up at Apex
>>322384690
Actually his words were "competitive action game".
>>322386176
Either way he was fucked, if he firefoxed then m2k would have just stayed in ledge and the outcome would've been the same,
>>322386280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsRN78qMxM
The "Smash Bros isn't a fighting game" argument is so retarded.
It's not a Street Fighter clone, but it's clearly in the same genre. Call it a Platform Fighter or whatever, but it's still a fighting game at its core. Look at the FPS genre with all the little subgenres that emerged after Doom. The fighting genre hasn't been as innovative over the past twenty years, but different styles have been emerging.
>>322386041
Sonic fox made $100k just by playing MKX
>>322385898
Thousands of people are in this game, all trying to be the best, yet the same 6 people who are closest to mastering this game will always be at least top 8 no matter what tourney they're at, Yet in SFIV, you see people have huge upsets, Daigo isn't some sort of unbeatable monster like Armada is.
You'd think if the skill ceiling was low in Melee you'd see people taking runs at the top players, and beating them semi-regular, but that's obviously not the case
It's insanely difficult to play Melee at a top level, there's so many frame-tight techs that you have to pull off 100% consistently, not to mention all of the variables that come with the physics used, you'd have to be in denial if you think that the majority of fighting games come close to the precision that you need to play well in Melee
>>322386530
except smash doesnt play anything remotely like a fighting game, autistic people just like it because they can be a fucking fox or a homosexual penguin
>>322386445
Amazing argument you've got there
>>322385318
>Instead, why not post your predictions for Genesis 3?
Return of Dr. Penispenis. Hopefully now that he's gone to a real doctor he'll be back in tip top form, he really struggled at Smash Summit against the other top players.
>Will Mango finally stop sucking shit?
Everyone has his number now. He used to get by on insane mindgames when he was the GOAT, but as the meta has advanced it's left him behind.
The real question is whether or not Hbox can Dreamhack Genesis, or if he only won because it was PAL and he'll continue to get shitraped by Armada's Fox in NTSC.
>>322386712
just stop, dota takes more skill than all smash and fighting games combined. beating IWBTG without getting hit is harder. hell, making a fucking single stage interplanetary rocket to eeloo and back in kerbal space program is harder.
you are just grasping at straws to try and make a casual game look hardcore and competitive, and it only ever ends up with you and your ilk getting ostracized, mocked, and laughed at.
>>322386445
I don't get it.
>>322386731
>Every fighting game can't deviate from the formula or it's autistic
>>322386530
Everyone who isn't a shitposter already knows that.
You're not going to change their opinions because they refuse to listen to any actual evidence and instead regurgitate the same shit like >>322386731
>>322386891
>Dota
>Or any ASSFAGGOTS
>Taking skill
>>322386998
deviating from the formula is one thing
completely and utterly changing all of the core gameplay tenets is not. smash doesn't even have a health bar, you have a damage bar. your character is technically "invulnerable" since you can get hit as many times as you want and never lose unless you are knocked off the stage. it's not even close to a proper fighting game.
>>322386998
I miss him so much
>>322387120
if it doesn't take skill why aren't you winning literally over 1 million dollars at the international every year? a fucking 16 year old from pakistan was on the winning team this year, where you at?
yeah, that's what i thought, you little autist.
>>322387158
>I never played a fighting game with ring outs
>>322387324
Because I'm not autistic :)
>>322387339
If it has ring outs it's not a fighting game
>>322387158
Also, Halo isn't an FPS because your health regenerates.
It's a party game.
>>322386891
>comparing an assfaggots to smash
just stop posting
>>322387339
bitch i have a physical fucking copy of battle arena toshinden, don't start with that "hurr you aint played games with ringouts" shit
you can also lose simply by being hit enough times in Toshinden, where you cannot in smash.
>>322387439
>plays smash games past age 12
>not autistic
>>322387554
Sure you can. At like 220% almost every move will kill.
>>322387554
lol just turn on stamina mode then you faggot
>>322387158
So if you switch to stamina mode smash becomes a fighting game?
>>322387658
>plays games
>not autistic
>>322386891
I'm not comparing Melee to single player games, I could make a game that's literally impossible to beat and say "my game takes the most skill" but that's apples and oranges. And notice that I said that Melee has a higher skill ceiling than 99% of games, DoTA could very well have a higher skill ceiling, but I couldn't give a fuck about ASSFAGGOTS.
>you are just grasping at straws to try and make a casual game look hardcore and competitive
It literally is, you could just post a bunch of other unrelated bullshit trying to feed your ego while ignoring all of the facts that show it's extremely skill intensive, but It's very clear that Melee is hardcore and competitive, it was the 2nd most popular game at EVO ffs
>>322387741
>>322387752
Well there you have it.
Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube is a fight game after all.
>>322387752
nah its a step in the right direction though, just need to remove all the faggy floatiness and random shit like tripping, add complicated inputs and not babby tier side-b shit, allow roman cancels, wakeup combos, disable the shield, add proper special moves that don't have anything to do with the smash ball, etc.
as you can see it still has a very long way to go to be a proper fighting game
>>322388003
>>322388003
you know nothing about smash and you would ruin the game if you made the decisions, thanks for trying though
>>322388003
So according to you, divekick is not a fighting game
>>322388003
>faggy floatiness and random shit like tripping
lmao
Smash Bros and Street Fighter have the same fundamentals.
Smash just decided to change things up by being based around damage/ROs instead of health.
>>322388003
>Tripping
>Floatiness
>Smash Ball
>Melee
You see guys?
This is what you're arguing with.
Just stop responding and discuss some Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube.
>>322388464
What set is this from I've never been able to find it.
>>322388464
>Just stop responding and discuss some Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube.
melee sucks and you have autism, now go back to the reddit smash boards where you came from
i miss when smash was a permabannable offense on /v/
>>322388708
>when smash was a parmabannable offense on /v/
>>322388708
u gonna cry?
>>322383703
I'll do one for Melee and Sm4sh.
>Melee
>Falcon/Dorf
>FD
>FD version 2
I don't have a favorite or least favorite matchup, as I don't really play much against other people.
>Sm4sh
>Pac-Man
>Don't really have one
>Final Destination version 2
>Little Mac
>Rosalina and any anime swordsman
>>322388898
>he showed up after habbo hotel
sucks for you pal, 2004-2006 pre-june were the best years of /v/, so much garbage was a bannable offense like halo, CoD, WoW, Smash, pretty much all AAA games. moot himself said that you can go to places like gamefaqs or somethingawful to discuss that nonsense.
Melee is the most rewarding game you will ever play. Do what the others have recommended tech wise. You must have a grasp on the tech before you can move into the mental aspect. Don't give up, Melee is extremely hard.
>>322389130
>Melee is extremely hard.
You must be 18 or older to continue using this website.
>>322388572
the webm is from handwarmers at Big House 4, don't have a video though
>>322388464
I feel you, lots of fgc baddies butt flustered that smash is taking over lmao. Even the top fgc figureheads and players accept smash, they need to just relax.
>>322389087
>pretending to be an oldfag
pathetic
>>322389435
ok
>>322389504
well clearly that proves you're an oldfag, I apologize for doubting you
>>322389237
try to waveshine with fox and tell me how easy it is
>>322389237
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vyBV94K4SE
>over 400 apm with no input buffer all extremely precise inputs
Please step up your bait game homie. Melee is magnitudes more difficult than sleep fighter.
Wavedashing isn't important unless you're really good. Master short hopping.
>>322389813
>Waveshine
>Difficult
Not that guy but come on, I like melee and all, but say something more difficult
>>322382362
what makes it not an actual game?
>>322382673
>it's cringey, autistic, and embarrassing to waste your time shitting on stranger's interests on an Indonesian basket-weaving forum.
>>322383703
I main luigi
Favorite legal stage is battlefield or dreamland
Fountain of dreams and the mother songs are my favorite
Favorite matchup is fox and falcon
Least favorite is sheik or gannon
>>322386731
>doesnt play anything remotely like a fighting game
How so?
>>322383703
PM:
>Roy
>Smashville
>Roy's Hope
>Flaco
>DDD
>>322384889
>Still giving a fuck about Evo.
>>322383703
>Peach and sometimes Doc
>Competitively: Dream Land
>In General: Kongo Jungle 64
>Dr. Mario's theme
>fighting Falco is nice
>Puff is gey
>>322383703
Melee: Marth, Rivals of Aether: Maypul
Fav Matchup: Spacies
Least Fav Matchup: Marth dittos
>>322385318
>Will mango finally stop sucking shit?
He hasn't before. Why start now?
>>322390794
Playing Falco against Roy can be so aggravating. Literally every Roy gets to a point where all they do is fsmash on every approach and one of them is bound to hit you.
>>322391425
Why would you approach a Roy? You have lazors dawg
>>322390746
>it's not a street fighter clone!
ignore him
>>322391526
I'm not a Falco main or anything I just bust him out sometimes when I'm bored. I get bored of spamming lazers in PM since they do 0-1 dmg and I just go in.
>>322391703
lasers are awesome for setting up combos though. I like to dash>SHL>uptilt then go into shine shenanigans, it's probably not the safest option but it's nice when it lands
>>322381305
Early melee was pretty magical but i cant deny that new players are better
>>322383703
>Main
Marth
>Favorite stage
Fountain
>Favorite Song
Together We Ride
>Favorite Matchup
Marth-Fox
>Least Favorite Matchup
Marth-Falcon
>>322391703
Its an important part of why you're getting f-smashed on approach. You have lasers. Roy does not. Roy must approach you or get camped by lasers all day.
You don't have to just sit there and spam lasers, just let him know you CAN sit there and spam lasers and he'll always have to approach you rather than the reverse.
>>322391673
but I think shitposter arguments about this are hilarious
>>322383703
>Falco
>Battlefield
>Final Destination
>Falco vs. Falcon
>Falco vs. Marth
Sounds like you're playing melee for the wrong reasons.
Melee is best as a game played with friends, be it tourney mode or just random smashing. Smashing with alcohol is also great.
If you are playing alone, you should be focusing on 100%ing the game, unlocking all the characters and stages, and if you care enough, the trophies.
It's fine to practice alone for a bit, but if you're at the point where you're getting into the serious wave dash/L canceling/not maiming characters that typically are considered "low tier", then you should stop and slow down. Nobody is going to enjoy playing with a try hard and the xomperetive scene is not nearly as open and advantages as /v/ makes it seem. It's a decade old and only getting older.
TL;DR it's a fantastic game, but not at heart a competitive one, don't make the mistake of treating it like one.
>>322393916
>you're not playing the right way
>>322394001
Hold on bud, let me finish playing this guitar hero track.
Oh sweet, just perfected free bird with the Xbox controller!
Sorry about that... You were saying?
>>322394212
what the fuck are you on about?
>>322394212
Ok I'll be fair, that's probably one of the most clever defenses of the "melee is not competitive" argument I've ever seen.
Well done.
>>322394212
false equivalency
>>322393813
>Falco vs Marth
Fuck this MU so much. I just go Falcon when I face Marths since I know FD will be a free win for any competent Marth that can chain grab
>>322394212
>>322394363
Ok I'll be fair, that's probably one of the most blatant instances of the "i'm a samefagging loser" posting techniques I've ever seen.
Well done.
>>322393916
>Nobody is going to enjoy playing with a try hard
My friends who also enjoy learning a competitive game
>it's a fantastic game, but not at heart a competitive one
Its a game where you play against opponents.
Its a competitive game.
>It's a decade old and only getting older
I still play Homeworld, Mech Warrior 3, Quake, and Brood War. What about it?
>Sounds like you're playing melee for the wrong reasons
you forgot to respond to someone with this pasta. It was meant as a response to someone saying something
>>322394523
I try to play sheik against marth because my falco gets fucked up so bad. I can't get comboed completely to death so it's not as bad. But my Sheik is also pretty shitty so it backfires a lot
>>322394212
>guitar hero is hard
Do melee haters know anything about anything?
>>322385318
If hungrybox wins I'm quitting melee
>>322396721
He can't win without PAL.
>>322396819
I'm sure his pal will coach him again
>>322393916
This.
What nobody realizes is this isn't an insult.
Melee is not a competetive game. That fact isn't even up for debate. But it's still probably better than almost every actually competetive fighting game.
>>322397034
>Melee is not a competetive game
How is melee not a competitive game?
You compete against either bots or other players.
>>322377389
>now you fit in with the cool kids
But he is playing smash. How will that make him fit in with the cool kids?
>>322397034
nice bait
>>322382673
>because it's cringey, autistic, and embarrassing
>play GG instead
>>322394471
He's right though.
You can't use the "there's no wrong way" meme but then say that playing guitar hero without the guitar is "wrong"
I don't even play Melee. My first one was brawl, but that double standard would be ridiculous.
>>322397897
If you have more fun playing without the guitar, then why not?
>>322397897
alright then let's not have any double standards
Anyone playing a fighting game with a pad is not playing correctly, but playing any kid of Melee is alright since it's still the right controllerthis is what that guy is saying
>>322397897
its entirely contextual
Devs of BW never expected it to be so competitive. Macro wasn't even a concept.
Tribes is based on a glitch that lets you skii. Never intended. In the eyes of the original devs plan for that game, it is the wrong way to play Tribes.
Surfing, bunny hopping, and kreedz climbing mods.
Does anyone really give a shit if you aren't playing exactly the way a dev meant the game to be played? Not really.
Is just happens that playing without a guitar in rock band is really fucking awful.
>>322398572
>Does anyone really give a shit if you aren't playing exactly the way a dev meant the game to be played?
Yes.
The vast majority of people that have ever played melee and ever will have done so just with friends for fun.
Stick a try hard in there and 9/10 times he ruins the game for everyone.
Same thing with Mario kart
>>322397897
>>322398572
There's no way to win this argument. Opinions are not fact, you're just banging your head against a wall trying to make a point here
If someone can 100% every song with a controller, fine. If someone can beat anybody they play in Melee with a keyboard, whatever, results are the only thing that matters, everything else is preference
>>322398825
The vast majority of the people that play Melee for that reason don't even play Melee for that anymore and have moved on to Brawl or Smash 4.
Melee is only still alive because of the competitive scene.
>>322398825
So hide your fucking power level or call your friend out for being a douche just like every other couch competitive game.
We've been doing this shit since goldeneye on the 64, Halo on the Xbox One, and even fucking Mario on the NES when you are playing take turns switching after death.
Do you really give a fuck if a try hard tries hard vs another try hard?
>>322398825
>Friends don't even know how to wavedash
>Play without doing flashy things and having a good neutral
Problem solved everybody has fun
>>322398825
>I can't have fun when I lose to better players
this is the kind of mentality that brought us Brawl and Smash 4
>>322399395
Better players will annihilate worse players.
Brawl and Smash 4 just made you have to be less autistic when learning the shit out of tech.
>>322399221
>not chaingrabbing your newb friends to death over and over
why live?
>tfw I can't wavedash for shit
I'm condemned to being a scrub forever
>>322399727
nigger what? Brawl and sm4sh's tech is way more obtuse than melee's
>>322399808
Try out Rivals of Aether.
Better netplay, wavedashing and shorthopping is ez pz. Just focus on how to beat your opponent instead needing muscle memory to do shit.
Also, play Jigglypuff.
>>322400007
And it only matters at a much much higher level of play. Tech is thrown into your face as a giant barrier of entry for players seeking to start playing serious in Melee. Everything from L-canceling, wavedashing to shorthopping. Its all over the place instead of being much more specific.
>>322399727
perfect pivot and only being able to use certain auto-cancel frames is way more autistic than wavedashing and l-cancel respectively
>Marth dittos
>Who fucks up their di on fthrow first and eats the fsmash followup x4
Marth Peach is pretty fun though, or would be if it weren't for Dreamland
>>322377037
The piano.
Oh, wait.
>>322399067
>The vast majority of the people that play Melee for that reason don't even play Melee for that anymore and have moved on to Brawl or Smash 4.
I totally know guys, I'm friends with all of them!
>Melee is only still alive because of the competitive scene.
What does this even mean?
The game has no online. It was just as "dead" as any other offline game from the get go.
Plenty of people still play Melee. Hell, in college plenty still play it.
>>322400478
fuck Marth dittos so much. Touch of death the matchup
>>322398825
If i play vs shitters in smash i just pick characters i don't usually play and try to do some stupid shit.
>>322400332
you need to know how to b-reverse, wavebounce, rar, short hop, etc. for serious smash 4 play too. Your argument is fucking dumb
>>322400692
It can be really fun when it isn't fthrow fishing but it's hard to get to that point
>>322400838
>f-throw fishing
wavedash back f-smash
>>322399727
>Better players will annihilate worse players.
This is something samurai will never get.
>>322400965
You're right
But i mean the fthrow fsmash thing
It's exhausting to have to play super perfect to barely scrape by a combo that is so braindead
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>>322377037
100 multi-shines
100 dair L-cancels on both ICs shields
100 Sheik tech chases
and a tournament set analysis
EVERY SINGLE DAY
>>322401383
>implying Sheik players actually practice tech
>>322400761
>listing shorthop as high level tech
smash 4 kiddies laffmayo
>Fox Puff
I want to kill myself, no matchup should feel this hopeless. Should have just picked up Marth.
>>322401481
I can wavedash for days but I still can't fucking shorthop fair.
I'll never be able to properly play shiek or fox, and both are my favorite characters. Almost tempted to open my controller and figure out a way to make shops less retarded.
>>322401906
just press the button and let go quickly lol
>>322401481the good ones do
>>322402015
nigga you don't think I know that?
My thumb is retarded.
>>322401481
>not being the scariest motherfucker on a ledge ever and practicing the shit out of your ledge options
>>322401906
Short hops as Sheik? Her short hop is pretty easy modo to be honest.
>>322384556
Could I apply what all these anons told OP to practice to Project M? I'very been interested in playing the mod since 3.0, but I was waiting for it to get finished.
>>322402724
>finished
Oh, you poor soul.
If you want to play PM, everything in Melee is applicable, and actually a bit more forgiving.
>>322402724
It should apply
The only thing to keep in mind, would be that some players feel that the timing on for techs can be slightly different for some Melee characters on PM.
>>322402357
Her shorthop is the same as fox.
Hardest Shop in the game. Let go during the first three frames.
>>322402882
not only that there's a few good additions they kept from brawl, like reverse aerial rushes and DACUS
>>322402724
everything is slightly easier in PM.
Project is RIP though.
I love Pm for more casual play, but something about the engine feels just a bit too slow and klunky for my taste.
>>322403257
two frames mate, it's 3 frames in PM
>>322402724
I only play PM, since my my main is marth. I can hop on melee and do just as good if I were to hop onto PM. Plus PM has good bots, and a bigger roster to practice against
PM is the greater game after all
>>322403592
>Project is RIP though.
stop this meme. Just because PM doesn't get updates anymore doesn't mean it's dead. Melee hasn't got an update since 2001 but it's far from dead
>>322403613
yeah my bad. Amazing how giant of a difference that single frame makes going from melee to PM.
Still, shiek is the same SHOP timing as fox.
>>322402015
wow thanks man!!!
>>322402882
>>322403191
Cool. Is it fine for my town not to have an competitive scene because it's basically none existent down in the south from my knowledge.
>>322402357
>falcon and marth
>harder tech
there's a lot wrong with this picture
>>322403731
>PM
>still a game
lel
prob. L cancle or wave dash
>>322404020
You're misreading that. Marth is hard to beat, he's right down the middle in terms of tech. And yeah, I'd say Falcon has harder techs than Peach or Samus.
>>322403257
They must be different somehow. I can shorthop sheik all the time but i suck doing it as fox.
>>322377037
L-cancelling > wavedashing, learn that first, especially if you're not using a top tier.
>>322404282
same window bub. Zero difference. Are you absolutely sure you are short hopping as shiek when you think you do it? The difference between her normal jump and shop is pretty small compared to fox.
Also possible playing Shiek is tricking your brain into shopping more consistently. You need her shop less compared to fox as well.
Does anyone honestly care about L-canceling as a mechanic? Assume the landing lag is the same as if you are always l-canceling. Is it missed by anyone except by people who are upset they practiced the shit out of it?
Imagine it was never in the game to begin with. Does it really add anything to the game besides a mandatory don't fuckup check on yourself?
>>322404282
This is for melee
Shorthop input windows (Let-go-of-jump-within..):
2-frame shorthop input windows – Fox / Ice Climbers / Kirby / Pichu / Pikachu / Samus / Sheik
3-frame shorthop input windows – Captain Falcon / Dr. Mario / Luigi / Mario / Marth / Mr. Game & Watch / Ness / Young Link
4-frame shorthop input windows – Donkey Kong / Falco / Jigglypuff / Mewtwo / Peach / Roy / Yoshi
5-frame shorthop input windows – Ganondorf / Link / Zelda
7-frame shorthop input windows – Bowser
>>322383703
Samus/Sheik
Pokemon Stadium
Fountain of Dreams
I don't get my ass kicked enough to have a favorite MU but Fox I guess
>>322384882
>>322382673
>GG
>Money
Nigga, the last GG tournament in japan handed a photo to the winner. Say stuff like MK or KI if you wanna pretend.
>>322404775
L-cancels can be fucked up by an opponent's shield density/tilting which is enough to delay the L-cancel window by a few frames or so (more on multi-hit attacks like Fox drill I think because it can make more hits of the drill connected), so it's not entirely pointless. I'd support it being revised in a future game, but not outright removed.
>>322404775
>tfw g&w main
>>322406171
which just gets practiced away as well
Pretty common advice to suggest people just spam their l-cancels on a shielding bowser
How would you want to see it revised? Right now its really just you vs yourself in this mechanic.
>>322406180
Does even someone as autistic as M2k think something like this will matter in a real game?
>>322406736
>Real game
>Samus
Of course it doesn't matter
>>322406736
>How would you want to see it revised?
It's difficult to say, it would require a lot of thought and testing. Off-the-cuff suggestions that come to mind:
>A lockout window like with teching and V-Canceling, or an outright fail window that increases landing lag, to make shield density/tilting a more viable way to address L-canceled pressure. Maybe SLIGHTLY more hitfreeze on shielded hits, but NOT shieldstun itself.
>Some sort of quickly-restoring neter (appears and disappears in the same place and manner as Cloud's Limit Break for convenience) that depletes with each L-cancel, so you have enough to L-cancel a few moves in a short time but after that you have to back off for a couple seconds. It might make it so heavy characters like Dorf/DK/Bowser/etc. don't just get relentlessly pressured.
I'm just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks though.
>>322408768
Both of those ideas are terrible and slow the game down. I'd rather make it automatic, but with an input to not L-cancel in exchange for more hitstun/shieldstun/knockback or something. That way you can still go fast but with options
>>322408768
Sounds way too complicated already.
Teching adds a lot of options and variety, but its really fucking simple.
I feel like thats the reason Rivals of Aether left in teching but didn't put in L-cancelling.
Smartly designed auto cancelling stuff on specific moves is pretty simple but adds more depth to your airs.
>>322377037
you should be practicing good fun. comeon people. it's smash. it's a party game. it is really fun. just have fun.
Guys, what if L-cancelling tookmeter
And instead of having 4 stocks, you picked 4 characters
>>322386998
double shine grab is so fucking unfair
>>322410392
Ffffffffuuuuuccccckkkkk tttthhhaaaattt. Im having a hard enough time learning 1/3rd of my character already.
>>322410392
What if instead of playing videogames you sucked my cock
>>322410392
>And instead of having 4 stocks, you picked 4 characters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnoBDZM0zQg
>>322410392
Already discussed, meter is gay
Pm does the character thing already
