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Does anyone actually play this shit? Why are half the heroes useless? Why does it cost $10+ for a single fucking hero?
btw im a grill
No, the game's on life support
>>322377703
Just like WoW.
>>322377803
Wow seems to be on it's peak compared to how dead this game is.
>>322376864
>Does anyone actually play this shit?
not many people
>Why are half the heroes useless?
same as other assfaggots, gotta follow muh meta
>Why does it cost $10+ for a single fucking hero?
it doesn't
>>322377703
Is there any evidence that shows whether it's alive or dead?
>>322378114
This game has a meta? how is that even possible with something this limited?
>>322378114
Yeah it does. They would probably have some players if they didn't try to gouge everyone.
I play semi-regularly as it's one of the only games my friend wants to play and I can't convince him to go back to LoL
I've noticed that the quickmatch is very slow outside of peak hours but hella loads of people play vs ai.
I play vs ai if i'm waiting for a friend because i know the game can be finished within 8 minutes and the matchmaking time to find 4 other players is usually less and 4 seconds.
I think Hero league actually has reasonable queue times too so there must be a decent chunk who play.
I agree the hero prices are pretty high but their about the same as LoL's prices so I guess LoL set the bar and Blizz followed here. The only thing is LoL hides the prices by abstracting them with Riot Points and Blizzard mans up and posts the prices in your actual currency.
Games cool, good bit of fun but I am surprised they are trying to setup as an e-sport with tourneys and stuff because the depth is lacking a fair amount and most games are won in champion select at the higher level.
>>322378364
With the sale the $10 only cost $5.
>>322378862
So you got either Ultra casuals just playing bots for some reason. And faggots in ranked? or is ranked actually decent?
>>322378996
Oh my god dude. Smite offers all heroes for a one-time payment of $30. Dota 2 gives away 117 of the fucking things for free. You think $5 each is a bargain?
>>322376864
>Beta
"Do something about Illidan and Nova, they are toxic to new players"
>Forum
"Lol just git gud"
>Game release
Illidan and Nova everywhere curbstomping new players. Interest dies in a week
>>322378190
Maybe the fact that looking for matches takes several minutes compared to the seconds of League and Dota
>>322379537
It's cheaper than $10. That was my point.
>Oh my god dude
ASSFAGGOTS are garbage, I don't give a fuck if they are free or not.
>>322379665
Matches take about 1 or two minutes. The same amount of time it takes me to find a match in Dota 2 or LoL.
Dota 2 probably takes less time because they match you with peruvian shits.
>>322379801
I don't even know who i am being matched with. No all chat for some reason. I outside a gg at the end, i have never seen anyone use the chat.
>>322376864
>Does anyone actually play this shit?
Played it a few months ago. Got to lvl 15 or so then lost interest because it's pretty boring. The long ass grind probably didn't help.
Dota 2 makes paying for heroes obsolete unless you are sadder than a Dota player
>>322379943
If gutter trash plays HotS they are really good at faking English, better than the Dota 2 players I encountered.
Not that it matters. This genre is third world garbage.
>>322380161
Dota 2 makes playing any ActiBlizzard garbage obsolete thanks to custom maps.
Blunderwatch will never top CS:GO or TF2.
>>322376864
>Does anyone actually play this shit?
Yes, it's a free game in the Blizzard universe. A universe that can support its own con.
>Why are half the heroes useless?
Because MOBAs at their core are not complete games. Altering all heroes to be appealing in any of them breaks apart the single broken gameplay pillar the entire genre rests on.
>Why does it cost
Because Blizzcucks are pathetic
Any more dumb questions?
>>322379665
Quick Match takes a long time. Bot matches on any difficulty and ranked matches have short queue times.
>>322379206
From my personal anecdotal experience, rank 1 solo players are about as skilled as an average silver league of legends player with the occasional exception of someone playing at a higher level than you've seen from any opponent in the last 30 games.
The one thing that makes this enjoyable to my friend (he'd never admit it) is that with me and him in a team we basically consistently pub stomp the players and he couldn't do that in League.
My match history boasts ~70%(54%min-83%max) win rate on every map except one and we mainly lose from doing our daily quests or his phone internet cutting him out for a few minutes during a match. This is not because we're particularly good either.
>>322376864
its a pc gaming thing.
>>322379654
>Illidan and Nova
>Not Kaelthas and Butcher
You must not have played recently.
>>322380365
Since when is supporting a con a signal of success?
>>322378190
hotslogs.com has recorded about 250,000 unique players
That's pretty bad.
It shows in games too, when you're running into the same person/group who aren't on your MMR because the game MUST pair you with someone after 10 minutes of waiting.
>>322380561
Illidan and Nova are curbstomping new players, though. Nova in particular. Kael'thas is a bit easier to deal with, since while he has higher damage output, he's easy to catch and kill.
>LiLi is one of the free week characters
>try her out because healing seems like an interesting idea
>Get on a team with a Lt. Morales
>She does everything LiLi tries to do but 100x better
Why is LiLi even in the game, then?
>>322376864
I play all the time add me
>>322376864
I'm surprised it hasn't been shut down yet. Seems like it's as irrelevant as every other random mobashit to pop up
>>322376864
Blizzard will milk it and force it's esports scene until the very end, it won't get far though.
LoL already controls the normie/casual market and Dota 2 controls the "hardcore" gaming market.
>>322380691
Holy fuck my sides.
Hey guys, check out these EPIC plays!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JmM1S9cWg
>>322380475
Playing so he can stomp people in an easy game? that's like playing a sport with 10 years old and then laughing at them because they suck.
>>322380958
I'm surprised Blizzard in it's entirety hasn't shut down yet.
>>322378114
>Why are half the heroes useless.
Because the game has like 11 maps. While some heroes are weak outside of certain comps, maps play a huge role.
Unlike Dota and LoL you don't play on the same 3 map forever.
If it wasn't a Blizzard game it would've gone down the same road as all the other cash grab MOBAs and died shortly after launch.
Blizzard has too much money and stubbornness to let that happen though.
>>322380860
Because she's cute, silly
It's dead because they have no fucking clue what they're doing with MOBAs. Which is ironic since they spawned and ignored it for so many years.
They spent an entire panel at Blizzcon admitting matchmaking is broken and outlining no real plans to solve it. Without a way to fix that, the experience can't be good for most players, and that means the game is shit and will die painfully.
Who are they going to rely on to teach them how to do it? Riot? Literally LOL
Clearly they need someone to, because the tech artists and designers they have working the project are shit at gameplay design.
>tfw lost control of my life and grinded to 30 and got 10 free chars with in game gold last month
>>322381351
If you're a serious LoL player there's only 1 map.
Same for Dota, I think.
>>322381424
Completely shitting and jewing your dedicated fanbase really pays off I guess.
Let's see how well that works in the long run after they have alienated everybody and the normies they pander to move on.
>>322380831
She was good once....
once....
Basically power creep in this game is a huge problem, new characters come out and outshine previously characters massively.
>>322381867
>>322381351
Yeah, meant to say one map, that was a typo.
>>322382018
And then you have characters like Sonya.... who literally never had a good focus on what the fuck they're supposed to do.
>>322376864
Even the Twitch viewer number is fucking sad, I knew this game was dead, but fuck man, when your two biggest competitors (LoL and Dota) have 10 times as many people watching it, you are kind of fucked.
>>322382245
Hearthstone is also rapidly losing viewers. 2016 is the year Blizzard stock starts plummeting.
I hope they enjoyed the ride.
>>322381096
yeah these plays are little embarrassing to be the "epic plays". The ones where they get a wombo combo happened by pretty much accident.
>>322376864
>Does anyone actually play this shit?
no
i played it for a week or so when it released, then went back to league. i actually forgot all about this game until i saw this thread lmfao.
>>322382427
e-sports fad in general is dying.
When Valve and Riot realize they are wasting money on bots and advertising campaigns, those numbers will plummet too.
>>322382427
What about the movie and new wow expansion, familia?
>>322382640
Except you know, Valve will survive in the long run because they not only made a timeless game but didn't jew anybody from it.
>>322382651
Flop that destroys Duncan Jones's career, and flop that solidifies WoW's decent into obscurity like the MMO genre itself.
>>322382640
>valve
>bots
They dont give a fuck about dota. Absolutely no advertising on internet.
>>322380561
>Butcher
The real fear is the tyrande diablo combo that seems to be in every game.
>all this valve dicksucking
I thought you guys hated being like reddit
>>322379654
>Illidan and Nova
Have you even played this game?
>>322383105
Why would anybody hate Valve? The publisher that has the only true free MOBA?
>>322383105
Nice image.
>>322380831
They're two completely different types of healers, anon. And I'll take Li Li over Morales for most matchups in pub games. If you seriously think Morales is "100x better" than Li Li then honestly you really just need to figure out how the game works more.
Morales is useful but frankly unless you're with coordinated teammates she's more of a liability than a good pick since she gets her shit wrecked harder than any other healer in the game if the enemy dives.
>>322383214
>MOBA
Man...
>>322382018
The last 4 new chars have been weak as shit, stop talking about shit you don't know anything about.
>>322382427
Don't worry, Overwatch is gonna come out and be huge
Heroes doesn't have retarded mechanics like last hitting. It also doesn't have games that last an hour despite being decided within like 95%+ accuracy within the first 20 minutes, according to mathnerds who looked too hard at DotA2 game results and realized that the "fun part" of the game is largely irrelevant, as you can almost perfectly figure out which team will win based on the early laning phase.
Get a shit teammate in Heroes? Oh well, just don't try too hard and the game will be over in 15 minutes. Get a shit teammate in LoL or DotA2? Get ready for an hour of wasted time.
>>322383874
A huge turd, sure. It doesn't do anything TF2 or CS:GO already provide and do better.
Maybe if it were F2P with cosmetics, but it's B2P with cosmetics. So it's garbage.
>>322379654
Illidan is actually kinda shitty though unless his team is steamrolling.
>>322383881
This
It's the same reason I mostly play Arena and Assault in Smite
>>322383987
>It doesn't do anything TF2 or CS:GO already provide and do better.
Played the beta and I can never touch either of those games ever again. Overwatch is waaaay fucking better and more varied than those. Though if you prefer either, good for you. I can't see the appeal of them anymore though.
>lol and dotatards crying about blizzard
always amusing to see the idiots whine.
>>322380691
I dont use the website. Does it still record me in game? Also if so does it record actual battlenet or just name? Names can be replicated. If then its dead as fuck
>>322383987
>business model makes the game garbage
lmao christ, I know people are just mad that they didn't get into the beta but you guys are being a bit ridiculous, don't you think?
>>322383987
>I am a poorfag and angry at everything
>>322383881
Good thing Dota 2 has custom maps now so none of that fucking matters since I can play a custom map for free, and get all the game mechanics, for free.
Unlike HotS, which jews you relentlessly.
>>322384213
I knew the business model made the game garbage before i even got into it. Then once i played the beta i confirmed what i already knew: it's shit.
>>322384186
Nobody is crying at Blizzard tho, we are laughing at their pathetic excuse of a game
>>322384203
It only records the stats of games uploaded to the service by people who've made accounts on it. So it's a useful picture for the competitive scene but it only gets a tiny fraction of the total games being played.
Which is good if you want to use it for a competitive tool since for the most part it's not dirt league shitters uploading their games.
>>322380161
>play dota2 for a while
>only interested in playing crystal maiden
>get into the higher mmrs
>crystal maiden is no longer useful and gets assraped by any hero unless your team coddles you and you sit in fog all game
>lose interest in game
>start playing heroes of the storm
>its more casual and all the heroes are useful
>start getting into the higher tiers
>it becomes increasingly obvious that some heroes like Kael'thas and Nova, or Tyrael and Sonya have massive advantages over heroes in the same general role like Jaina or Anub'Arak
Why is this a think in every fucking moba? Cant they just try to balance things instead of this stupid meta shifting bullshit?
Oh well, at least I like more heroes in HOTS
>>322384110
Work harder, marketer.
>>322384213
>>322384253
$40 is overpriced for a multiplayer only game with only two game modes. Battlefront flopped, this will to.
If it were legitimately free, like a Valve game it would stand a chance. But with Blizzards jew marketing? No. It's DOA just like HotS.
>>322384326
>I knew the business model made the game garbage* before i even got into it.
*in my(shitty) opinion
>>322380831
>Why is LiLi even in the game, then?
To panda to those who like that kinda thing.
>>322384265
>custom map
None of which are as good as a single map in Heroes. Subjective sure, but the quality of presentation and map design is miles ahead in Heroes. That's another thing. Heroes actually has a mandatory map pool unless you play custom, so you don't have to be a custom game faggot and still get to experience more than the same retarded map for years.
>>322384536
Ayyy
>>322380740
Kael is fucking cancer in ranked play, every single game he gets picked, and he does absurd damage and has a ton of survivability and utility, add to that he has a disable and his ult cant be stopped (unlike many other area denial damage ults) and hes just bullshit OP compared to most other assassins.
But I dont expect anything else from a moba these days. They all do this trash balance shifting crap.
>>322384446
Do you have any fucking idea how difficult it is to balance a game with a roster as massive as Dota? Secondly CM is fine, you're probably just garbage at her because she is squishy with 0 escapes and is food unless you actually know how to play. You sound like a naive 12 year old.
>>322380831
LiLi has better damage output and better burst healing plus her blind spell is pretty useful, Morales is probably a bit overpowered though but almost completely lacks utility outside of her steady and strong healing output.
>>322380831
But Li Li is pretty much a win with little to no effort.
>>322384454
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>>322384576
>Unlike Dota and LoL you don't play on the same 3 map forever.
Overthrow is 100x better than any of the bullshit HotS maps.
>>322384450
>Battlefront flopped, this will to.
Screencapped this and all other anti-OW posts for later
>>322380831
morales has sever mana issues, lack of damage and basically no escape
lili heals like a fucker and her trait is basically an escape
>>322378862
I quit PvP hots because of the ludicrous wait times for games. Literally 6 minutes to even have the chance at playing a game that's not even matched by MMR.
It's fun to play bots every once in a while when they release a new character. 99.9999% of the player base only plays vs. AI so the games are instant.
>join a guild and make premade 5 mans like a serious gaymer then you'll queue instantly XD
...in a kiddie game like this? I'd do that in LoL or DotA 2 if I gave a shit.
>>322384446
>it becomes increasingly obvious that some heroes like Kael'thas and Nova, or Tyrael and Sonya have massive advantages over heroes in the same general role like Jaina or Anub'Arak
If by "increasingly obvious" you mean "completely wrong".
Tyreal is decent in good hands with a dependable team, but you can say that about any hero, even Gazlowe. But in reality he's mid tier Warrior at best overall, with around 45% WR.
Nova is complete shit competitively and never sees high level play. Only thing she's good at is pubstomping, which Zeratul / Butcher / half the other assassins do better. Which is a shame. I'd like to see some minor Nova buffs.
Sonya wasn't picked ever until some Korea meta made its way over to the NA scene earlier this year, but she's being figured out again (like she was back in late CB) and her WR spike has plummeted back down.
Jaina is god tier even after nerfs, on par with KT.
In short I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yes, a few heroes are kinda gimpy but I could list the truly noncompetitive Heroes on one hand. Proportionally that's fucking amazing for a moba.
>>322376864
It's pretty fun imo.
I have not been entertained by any other mobalike game, but for some reason, I find HotS enjoyable enough to play occasionally.
>>322382785
>implying they put any effort into making it
>>322384398
Blizzard is a pathetic dad rock suck up and /v/ are laughing and flicking cigarettes into his pathetic face.
Blizzards time is over.
HotS is the only MOBA that tries to be new and fun tbqhwyf.
>>322383645
Well I don't know nothing about it seems i've been playing frequently.
I know Lunara has been pretty poor and Cho'gall was strong in pubs but pretty bad in Hero League as he's piss easy to counter. Artanis barely counts as a release dude was a tie in to Starcrafts launch and yes Rexxar is only good with a strong supporting team comp.
I'll concede those 4 have been on the low end but just look at the released before then, each of them just stomped previous positions from the top and overtook them.
They also did a full scaling rebalance recently that did admittedly help bring some old favourites back to playable but they were outside of playable for soo long due to power creep. It's clearly going to happen again as they go forward to releasing more champions.
>>322385350
i know right, it's just that lolbabbies need their farman to buy the same items every game and doturds need their hardcore game for hardcore gamers. no fun allowed.
>>322384960
>Do you have any fucking idea how difficult it is to balance a game with a roster as massive as Dota?
Easier than you seem to think, just buff heroes that are shit and nerf assholes like Kael'thas who are clearly rediculous.
You dont have to make it perfect, just even enough that skill is the bigger factor. Even then you are basically moving the meta shifting problem up the skill ladder, but eventually it will affect so few people that almost no one will care.
>Secondly CM is fine, you're probably just garbage at her because she is squishy with 0 escapes and is food unless you actually know how to play.
She is fine, but not in public games where your team is busy trying to have fun instead of coddling a support who should be coddling them.
>You sound like a naive 12 year old.
You sound like a really cool guy <:^)
>>322385345
Yet that "no-effort" is still more effort and heart than anything Blizz shits out.
HotS will NEVER have the wit or charm of Dota 2.
Did the country of Greece hire Blizzards marketing expert? No.
>>322385219
Did they nerf Li Li's heal a while back? Feels like it takes me 20%+ longer to toss a brew.
>>322385250
Jaina is ok.
Tyrael isnt the best warrior.
The point isnt that the heroes are terrible, its that there are clear and obvious disparities in how good some heroes are compared to others.
>>322385680
>Easier than you seem to think, just buff heroes that are shit and nerf assholes like Kael'thas who are clearly rediculous.
This is exactly why we don't let people like you balance the game.
>needing coddling
CM is one of the most terrifying earlygame heroes, stop trying to solo Pudge like a retard
>>322385896
>HotS will NEVER have the wit or charm of Dota 2.
>pwned
>>322380475
>My match history boasts ~70%(54%min-83%max
Post rec or bullshit cause that'd put you at about 4200MMR. Even the best team leagues float about 65% win ratio.
As for hots... It's the only MOBA I actually find fun. Maybe it's the lack of BRHUEHUE, maybe it's the faster paced style and the lack of 'carry' heroes who PvE half the game. The game is just flat out more enjoyable than league or dota to me.
>>322385250
Funny you should say that about Nova, as she's been seen a lot more lately in the 3500MMR crowd. She's still not an ideal pick unless your 5th snags her and they have no reveals and a bunch of squishies. Had my fair share of wins in team league R1 with her.
>>322385250
>Nova is complete shit competitively and never sees high level play.
She's been seeing more play since the Gathering Power buff
>>322378114
There are only 5 outright bad heroes out of 116 in dota.
Even then those heroes still get played a lot and can do well.
>>322379654
illidan is shit now
>>322386043
>This is exactly why we don't let people like you balance the game.
>we
kek
Like the current balancing team is doing such a stellar job.
>CM is one of the most terrifying earlygame heroes, stop trying to solo Pudge like a retard
No, she isnt terrifying, she requires other heroes to be effective at anything, whereas there are plenty of other heroes that can solo a lane and be deadly all on their own.
>>322385896
actually it's pretty much the opposite, it's just that hots caters to the casual market so it's not popular with "esports" fedoratippers
>>322386367
>No, she isnt terrifying, she requires other heroes to be effective at anything, whereas there are plenty of other heroes that can solo a lane and be deadly all on their own.
That's the purpose of a support retard. She has some of the best disables on a hero, is absolutely 0% item reliant, and has a teamfight raping ultimate. She's literally one of the top 10 best pub heroes right now.
>>322382427
finally they can't cash the same IP's for zillions of money for ever
get rekt blizz
>>322386273
same could be said about hots really
i'd only call lunara and illidan outright bad at all levels of play
you also have heroes with super low winrates that are dominant in top tier play and heroes with a high winrate that wreck pubsies but never ever get picked in competitive.
>>322386375
>Caters to the casual market
>Is still a colossal failure
>Doesn't cater to esports despite ActiBlizzard doing everything they can to market it as an esport at their own fucking convention and the lazily made cloud9 mount
wew lad.
>>322386823
>i'd only call lunara and illidan outright bad at all levels of play
I wouldn't even call Illidan bad, most people who play him are just garbage who played him when he was OP as fuck
Now that he's not a crutch character, his winrate is gonna tank
>>322386881
How is it a colossal failure?
>>322386823
Is murky good yet?
>>322386993
Because he, personally, doesn't play it
>>322376864
>no Edmund Duke
>no Ner'zhul
>no Gul'dan
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>322386993
>>322382245
>Abysmal Twitch views
>>322380691
250,000 unique players
In comparison to Dota 2's 11,826,054 within the last MONTH.
>>322386716
>That's the purpose of a support retard. She has some of the best disables on a hero, is absolutely 0% item reliant, and has a teamfight raping ultimate. She's literally one of the top 10 best pub heroes right now.
She has zero escapes and zero survivability without items, how do you call that 0% reliant?
As for her ultimate, even if you get off a perfect ultimate in fog without them ever seeing you, at high ranks it will get stopped unless you get lucky enough to have shitters on the other team. Even if you do get it off its frustratingly undependable and its random whether it will actually apply significant damage or not.
Like I said shes great in low ranks and great if you have a team that is actually a team, but at high ranks in pub matches she suffers pretty badly.
And dont give me that SHES A SUPPORT LOL bullshit, when heroes like Rubick, Winter Wyvern, or Omni are way more survivable and can have way more effect in team fights and in laning.
>>322387113
>no baal
>no necromancer
Game is shit.
>>322386985
i find him hard cause he is melee and has low hp and not too good defense (shield from evasion is really weak, 50% ability reduction only comes at lvl 16)
can you give some advice on how to play him?
>>322387261
>rubick
>way more survivable
I can't tell if you are actually trying to communicate ideas with other people or just typing random letters at this point.
>>322387058
depends on the comps, can be countered by cleanse and murky = free gp stacks for nova
but he can be a good last pick or quick match wrecker
>>322387258
11 million brazillians and russians
>>322383881
yeah sure.
95%...
this are my last 3 games. 4k mmr.
>>322387537
Back when I played the game I would exclusively play abathur because of the part where you couldn't just play who you wanted.
I was considering buying murky or azmodan but it's hard to commit 30 hours of my life to a decision like that.
>>322387258
>>Abysmal Twitch views
who the fuck cares about how many people watch it on twitch instead of actually playing
>250,000 unique players
that number isn't even close to the real number of players
not saying that it's got nearly as many players as LoL or HotS but it's still bullshit.
>>322387686
>tfw winning a game with stasis traps despite team only having int cores
>>322387397
Illidan has crazy good mobility, no mana, and built-in Vamp Strikes and Battle Momentum
Early game you're gonna have to do a lot of running away, and Metamorphosis is still his best ultimate because of all of the free HP it gives you
>>322387456
>Rubick has a tiny bit less health and armor
>Rubick has 20% magic resist (affects allies as a bonus)
>Rubicks disable actually prevents spell casting, which is a huge dealbreaker when trying to protect yourself from people with frostbite, which still allows heroes to cast and use some movement skills, rubicks lift also stuns enemy teammates around the landing point or can deposit an enemy on a cliff
>rubick can supplement this by stealing mobility skills or disables from enemy players that can dramatically increase his survivability
How is he not more survivable?
>>322380740
>Kael'thas is a bit easier to deal with
I've yet to see a single ranked or pro game where Kael is not picked.
For a game that is supposedly dead, there are a lot of butthurt ITT from its competition.
>>322387627
constant spamming of "cyka" from rooskies is far worse than brazilians
>>322388250
yeah kael is pretty much the best hero after tyrande, he just has everything
>huge aoe burst damage
>crazy zoning with his ult
>stun for up to 3 people
>improved version of stoneskin for anti burst survivability
>blink to get out when he fucks up positioning
he's always been op as fuck, blizzard reworked him and he became even more op, they tuned him down a bit and he's still by far the best assassin.
>>322388538
When Dota players call something "dead," it's code for "thriving"
Like how they've been calling League of Legends "dead" since Beta
>>322384832
>ton of survivability
and there goes any validity of your opinion
>>322387837
>Popularity doesn't matter
>T-those numbers aren't accurate!
Maybe Blizzard shouldn't be such fucking cowards and show real numbers. But they won't.
They aren't even reporting WoW sub numbers anymore, wherever those actually come from (China/Korea).
HotS can't even compete with Smite. It's a shit game made only to jew their fanbase.
>>322388784
>Like how they've been calling League of Legends "dead" since Beta
I'm pretty sure anyone who does this is baiting/false flagging
LoL is obviously the most popular and active assfaggot
>>322388135
I find the opposite is true. Early game is about man-moding and fucking everyone up since they all run and The Hunt is good for picking off squishy runners and as a 2nd initiation.
>>322388689
The main problem is that he doesn't even have to be on-screen for most of his damage to occur. He's squishy enough to pop but the chain bombs means he just drops a bomb and leaves.
>>322384576
but anon, HotS is a custom map for SC2!
>>322388784
I wouldn't call hots exactly thriving as it has small dedicated playerbase that doesn't increase that much.
It is funny though that dota players have to constantly validate themselves by spouting their "game for smart gamers" memes.
>>322388787
it's actually fun as fuck and better than lol and dota 2 in a lot of ways. just because those playerbases don't migrate to hots doesn't mean the game is shit.
>>322389380
HOTS is slowly but steadily growing
Dota and LoL are both like 5 years old, give it time
>>322376864
because its pretty shit
>get to rank 1 in HL
>have nothing else to do unless they fix ranked or make rank 1 worthwhile
>uninstall
>>322389380
Whenever I hear someone telling me how skill based their MOBA is, I just remember my SC1 ladder days. Their opinions are immediately invalidated cause they can't play a real RTS.
>>322389576
>B-BUT IT'S FUN!!
>Just because it's dead doesn't mean it's shit! I swear!
Blizzdrones are a riot.
>>322389770
>it's dead
[citation needed]
>>322389770
>Growing game is dead
Please explain.
>>322389638
>have nothing else to do
aw gee whiz maybe you should just have fun playing
>>322389576
>and better than lol and dota 2 in a lot of ways.
That wouldn't even be saying much, but it's far from that
>>322389819
No Twitch views no evidence that it's growing. Blizzard are fucking cowards.
Valve puts all their fucking shit up for the world to see and it shows they are factually the best because they provide the numbers. Unlike Blizzard, who hides the numbers.
Also facts and questions at their Blizzcons, where they don't allow people to ask any questions without sorting through them first because they get their shit torn open every fucking time.
>>322390007
opinions
>>322389878
corpse gas
>>322390102
>Valve puts all their fucking shit up for the world to see and it shows they are factually the best because they provide the numbers.
but LoL > DotA 2
>>322390220
LoL has bots and is owned by China. No shit it's bigger.
>>322390007
Trying to think of what hots does better.
>>322390007
Nah it's definitely a lot better
More maps, almost no autistic laning phase, heroes are much more interesting(Abathur alone is more interesting than the entire Dota and LoL roster combined)
>>322389601
It is in pretty bad spot now as players of both Dota and LoL have invested too much time and money to switch to another game of similar genre. Unless Tencent fucks LoL up I doubt there will be noticeable increase of players in near future. Dota players are looking for different thrills entirely.
>>322390334
so DotA 2 isn't factually the best, LoL is.
>>322390468
>Unless Tencent fucks LoL up
Oh boy did they ever
>>322390374
I guess in hots it's harder for one person to totally fuck you over.
I mean they are both very different games and hots is just more casual.
If they removed some of the shit maps and made the heroes free I would say it's a good game.
>>322390406
>heroes are much more interesting
>>322390770
Free is a foreign concept to Blizzard.
>>322376864
Thats a Blizzard game right ?
Man after Diablo 3 who the fuck cares about them
>>322389878
>growing
>>322380831
LiLi can actually get away if she's focused, unlike Morales. She also has a ton more utility and damage.
>>322390913
True true.
I also think the biggest outright flaw in the game outside of what I mentioned is shared exp.
Change those 3 things and hots would have a strong presence in the genre.
>>322390406
Each map is just another mildly different forced objective, all of which boil down to either "go here when the game tells you" or "collect a bunch of these things and turn them in"
The game still has a "lane phase" almost as long as dota's, except it has zero fucking point or gameplay because you can just stand behind the wave doing nothing and get all of the resources from it
Some hero design outdoes most of LoL's in terms of creativity, but that really doesn't make up for the spammy abilities and weak CC and lack of character building
HotS is pretty objectively shit, sorry
>>322391262
shared xp is one of the best things about the game.
>>322391178
>lili
>damage
what? that blind and dragon follower spell hardly does anything
>>322391379
>doesn't make up for the spammy abilities and weak CC and lack of character building
have you even played the game
>>322390406
>almost no autistic laning phase
yeah, instead of engaging in a rhytm minigame of lasthitting (thats actually kinda relaxing if you get in the zone, but you have to play more than an hour to get there) while exp automatically trickles down on you by proximity to dying units
you just stand around and wait for exp bars to fill because theres is nothing else to do
so exciting and action filled
>>322391593
Yes? Have you?
>>322391447
And it's still a hundred times more than what Morales can output.
That being said, Morales is no doubt a stronger support hero. Only two that outrank her are Uther and Tyrande. Come to think of it, those two heroes are perfect examples that power creep isn't too bad in this game. Muradin too is one of the best heroes in the game.
>>322391391
>team hits level 10 before the other team
>autowin next objective
>similar shit for 7/13/16
>anyone can just fuck off and do nothing the entire game because shared exp keeps them relevant without having to fight for resources
How do you even need shared exp?
So long as you are doing something you will be getting exp.
>>322391669
apparently more than you because it's pretty much the complete opposite of what you said outside of dirt league
>>322391391
communism.exe
"if i cant have it good, no one should"
>>322391676
>Uther
sorry i may be a scrub but i never get why uther is good, his cooldowns are fucking high
Gotta have that blue and orange
>>322391851
Also "don't talk to anybody that isn't on your team".
>>322391851
>enables teams to roam from level 1
>makes unusual characters like abathur or the lost vikings extra valuable and enables new strategies
>makes the game more team focused instead of giving more power to the strongest laners
but muh c-communisms, how dare this fucking socialist game be different
>>322391781
The only way you can actually believe this is if HotS is the only assfaggot you've ever played. The abilities just tickle each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAF7sIH5UNM
>pretty much the complete opposite of what you said outside of dirt league
Either there's a mechanic I'm not aware of where your ranking directly contributes to spell damage and CC duration numbers, or you're legitimately retarded. So, which is it?
>>322391639
>fighting for objectives is "nothing"
Wow, Dota players are really autistic
>>322391669
Compared to Dota 2, HotS has incredibly spammy skills and weak CC. Compare Murky's Octo-Grab, one of the best single-target CC's in the game, to let's say, Reverse Polarity. Octo-Grab is channeled and lasts for three seconds at max, and does no damage unless you get the final talent. Reverse Polarity can stun an entire team for 3.75 seconds AND sets them up to be pushed by Magnus.
Or to use a more direct comparison, Shadow Shaman's Shackles skill. At level 4, it lasts for 5 seconds, and isn't even an ultimate, and has a 10 second cooldown. It functions more or less the same way as Murky's ultimate, and just like Murky, he has a skill on his own that synergizes extremely well with it.
>>322392368
>I don't know shit about abathur
Protip: abathur gets more exp than most other heroes.
Oh good, here come the Dotards with their "Dota abilities are much more impactful" memes
>>322391892
Sure, but he's got a very good healing output coupled with two strong stuns. And you can get reduced cooldown for your stun.
>>322384450
>Battlefront flopped
How fucking delusional do you have to be to think any Star Wars product wouldn't be a massive success? The Phantom Menace made almost half a billion dollars in the box office and most fans agree that it's the worst film in the series.
>>322392368
Lost Vikings can be compared to Meepo from Dota 2. No one can level as fast as Meepo.
>>322392386
the entire meta is completely about CC and burst damage. tyrande and kael'thas are picked in pretty much in every single ranked game. if your character doesn't have CC he's shit. if you position badly you get blown up within a second.
>>322392837
It's funny how Dota players have "you just don't play Dota" as their #1 go-to argument whenever Dota gets criticized, even though they do nothing but display a phenomenal lack of understanding of any other game
>>322392627
They are more impactful and you are an idiot.
>>322382895
Is flop the new buzzword? You guys sing doom and gloom about everything these days
>>322393054
The game industry is shit. It's not rocket science.
>>322392532
uh yeah, and that's exactly what i was saying by mentioning them next to the vikings?
>>322392837
That has nothing to do with the CC and burst damage being weak in comparison to the rest of the genre. It being meta within HotS only means anything within its own context.
>>322392627
I actually play HotS a lot, and I'm >>322392524.
I think it's a fun game, but to say that it doesn't have weak CC is objectively wrong.
>>322392837
>if your character doesn't have CC he's shit
>top hero in Tier 2 is Abathur
Other high-tier heroes include Raynor and Morales. Look, I'm not saying CC isn't important, the meta is most definitely based around it, but comparatively speaking, HotS' CC skills are much weaker than equivalent ones in Dota 2. That's just fact. CC is a vital part of all ASSFAGGOTS.
>>322393054
What the fuck is this shit Doubt was never X it was square
>>322392989
If that's true, then there is no strategy involved, you just push R to win
If there is strategy involved in their use, then Dotards must admit that their abilities are no more or less "game-changing" than the abilities in any other MOBA
And considering Dota is the only game where heroes have passives as their ults, guess what, it's the latter
Dota players really need to stop acting like their game is so much more complex than the competition, the memes are deluding them
>>322392985
It's funny how LoL and HotS players have "ugh, dota players always say this!!" as their #1 go-to argument whenever their game gets criticized, even though they do nothing but display a phenomenal lack of understanding of any other game
>>322393581
You just haven't played it :^)
Blizzdrone - the game. Literally no reason to play this over LoL or dota unless you like the Blizzard dick in your mouth that much.
>>322393670
>Literally no reason to play this over LoL or dot
What if I don't want to spend 20 minutes in a lane playing whack-a-mole before I'm allowed to play the real game?
>>322393531
>If that's true, then there is no strategy involved, you just push R to win
Fucking unbelievable. Why do you even try to talk about games you don't even begin to understand? Are you not aware that it does nothing to make it overwhelmingly clear that you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about?
You do realize the other team has "press R to win" spells too, right? And given that the winner of games is determined by who uses them better, has better awareness of the other team to know when they're coming, and makes better use of disables and counters to keep them from getting "press R'd to win?"
Why even reply? Is your goal to completely undermine your argument before you even finish typing it?
>>322393531
A single well-placed ult from certain heroes can indeed turn otherwise hopeless games around in Dota 2, but doing so requires incredible timing and co-ordination, and hoping you can get it off before enemies can react to it.
>>322393892
>A single well-placed ult from certain heroes can indeed turn otherwise hopeless games around in Dota 2
And in LoL, Smite, and HOTS
Why do Dotards act like this shit is exclusive to their game
>>322393360
>>322393438
>CC is the strongest thing your character brings to the table
>it's too weak
kek
>>322378014
>wow seems to be on it's peak
>currently has the the lowest subs it's ever had since 2005.
WoW peaked in Wrath, and has gone to shit in rapid decline since the Argent Tournament patch.
>>322393531
>abilities are no more or less "game-changing" than the abilities in any other MOBA
>enemy team walks into a ward near tide and enigga
>both with RfOs
gg no re
>>322393209
You know in dota there are heroes that get lots of exp and some that get very little?
I just do not understand your argument at all.
>>322386802
"IP" loosely used. A friend of mine has begun showing me Warhammer stuff, which is something I hadn't been exposed to (some how). The more 40K and Warhammer fantasy stuff he shows me, the more obvious it is that blizzard literally took Warhammer Fantasy, mushed in some Lovecraft and Lord of the Rings shit, and made Warcraft. Then they took Warhammer 40K and made Starcraft.
I was in a fucking Warhammer store today, and the zerg are literal carbon copies of teranids (spelling?).
MY LIFE IS A LIE, BLIZZARD MUST PAAAY
>been a MOBAfag for years but quit a few years back
>decide to try HotS out of sheer boredom
>laning is basically gone, the fun starts after just a minute or two
>don't have to worry about splitpushers or farming
>the whole game revolves around teamfights and capturing objectives
>it's bascially all the things that make MOBAs fun but without the tedious parts
My only complaint is that you can't get fed and steamroll (unless your whole team does), but beyond that, it's a really underrated game. I feel kind of bad that it's so dead, although I don't know what blizzard was really expecting.
>>322393823
This is literally the only reason to play HotS. 30 minutes is considered a long game. 10 minutes would be a one-sided game.
>>322393992
I play HotS and Smite a lot, more so than Dota 2 these days, and I'm telling you, not to the same degree as in Dota. When I say hopeless games, I mean hopeless. As in, that one ult is what saves the entire game and lets you come back from certain doom.
Of course, the number of heroes who can do that in particular are far and few between, strongest examples being Enigma and Magnus.
>>322394187
>You know in dota there are heroes that get lots of exp and some that get very little?
This is true in HOTS too
A typical Nova, for instance, is typically roaming around the map looking for pick-offs and thus usually has the lowest XP contribution in a game, while most Specialists are designed to soak XP
>>322394272
>don't have to worry about splitpushers
What?That's wrong
Sylvanas can push an entire lane forever at level 1 if no one comes for her,and that's just an example
MOBA is a shit genre, for shit cunts, and fucking cockwombles. Bland, predictable, boring as fuck to play and watch, and limited as fuck in scope and perfect for lazy devs.
Piss off with your shit slinging matches - your whole genre is fucking shit.
>>322394271
Tyranids were changed after the fact, I think.
I might be wrong about the timing, of course, but Tyranids used to look like this.
>>322394296
>I play HotS and Smite a lot, more so than Dota 2 these days, and I'm telling you, not to the same degree as in Dota. When I say hopeless games, I mean hopeless. As in, that one ult is what saves the entire game and lets you come back from certain doom.
And I've played pretty much every MOBA, and experienced this situation in every single one
Dota abilities are no more or less powerful than any other game, it's time to put this meme to rest
>>322394187
i'm saying that you could play a large map with only two lanes, put a viking on one to soak, and everyone else on the other lane without losing any xp. that one guy can get a significant advantage for your whole team instead of just himself.
>>322394420
Yeah, and then her team loses the fucking game because she wasn't around for the objectives. Have you actually played the game?
>>322392368
>>enables teams to roam from level 1
roaming is a tradeoff between being active in exchange for the farm safety of the lane
ie. if you fail and do fuck all during your roaming you should be punished
>makes unusual characters like abathur or the lost vikings extra valuable and enables new strategies
how about actually asking the players to get good at them instead of giving them complimentary exp of "you tried"
>>322394274
The reason why games are so fast is because every map has some weird mechanic that just destroys your base.
Some do it more intelligently than others. Blackheart is fucking disgusting in that regard.
>click on chest to destroy towers
>>322394272
>Don't have to worry about split pushing
>I don't know who Zagara or Sylvanas are the post
>>322392368
>enables teams to roam from level 1
>he doesn't know about roaming supports
This is nothing new.
>>322387113
No Kel'thuzad, no Lady Vashj, no Cairne or other well known characters, yet we're making up characters like Lunara for some reason...
>>322394420
Can zagara/abathur combo still backdoor forts?
I'm sorry you fucking Blizzcucks are sticking to your sunken cost fallacy, but Dota 2 is the superior game in every way shape and form.
Eat it.
>>322394681
You forgot to mention Murky. Last game I played him the entire enemy team combined got the same amount of siege damage I did as Murky alone.
>>322393823
>Why play a fantasy flight game when I can play candy land?
>I want all my games to be iphone games
>>322394746
>slow
>clunky
>heroes all look like edgy demons from the Tryhard Dimension
>exciting hour-long games of autistic farming
Pass.
>>322393823
then you play overthrow/10v10
>>322394457
Another old-school Tyranid.
>>322394896
>lmao why are you playing "Flip a coin into a cup?" Everyone knows "Flip a coin into a cup and then jog a lap around the table" is superior! You have to jog a lap around the table so it's much more deep and complex and strategic!
>>322379665
when did league get matchmaking under 5 minutes? I use to go meditate while taking shits and i'd still be in queue.
>>322394903
>heroes all look like edgy demons from the Tryhard Dimension
A good bunch of them do, sure, but there are still a lot of heroes that don't.
>>322394739
nope, but you can do that with your whole team in a medivacwill probably just get your team wiped though
>>322394746
dota 2 literally looks like a cheap chinese knockoff, enjoy your inferior product
>>322393992
Heroes in dota have the potential to become much stronger than heroes in league do. Ultimates like black hole and reverse polarity can turn hopeless games around. In league, it's nearly impossible for a single champ to turn a game around on his own. This is coming from someone who's played both shitty games for years.
>>322395084
Of course, we all know the REAL reason you guys play this game
>>322394903
overthrow
10v10
blizzdrones CANNOT refute this
>>322395214
>Heroes in dota have the potential to become much stronger than heroes in league do
But most heroes in LoL actually scale
In Dota you have carries who scale, and everyone else is basically a sheep-stick carrier to back the carries up
The most powerful ability in Dota is the auto-attack, since it's one of the few that scale with items
>>322394903
>slow
No.
>clunky
Wrong.
>heroes all look like edgy demons from the Tryhard Dimension
As opposed to the Pixar cartoon family-friendly bullshit at ActiBlizzard?
>exciting hour-long games of autistic farming
Literally ADHD.
>Football takes too long!
>>322395250
Overwatch isn't out yet dum dum :^)
>>322395237
Funnily enough, the only MOBA that caters to my fetish, LoL, is the one I don't play.
>>322395359
>spells may be much, much more powerful, but they don't scale as well!
Ok.
>>322395426
>As opposed to the Pixar cartoon family-friendly bullshit at ActiBlizzard?
Dota's edgy demons still look cartoony though
>comparing Dota to football
Wow and I thought it was ludicrous when you guys compared it to Chess
>>322395481
LoL's only good feature is its semen demons.dat dragon trainer trist and reworked poppy
>>322395589
I'm sorry that HotS had to jew it's way to be on ESPN when Dota 2 is literally a sport in other countries.
>>322395545
>spells may be much, much more powerful*
*according to dank memes
>>322395748
>I'm sorry that HotS had to jew it's way to be on ESPN when Dota 2 is literally a sport in other countries.
By jewing its way in even harder lmfao
>buy the Compendium, goy!
Oh wait, it's okay when Dota buys their way into esports right?
Blizzard is like Disney with HOTS
They know it's shit, but they keep throwing money at it and every tournament because they can, while jewing every pennies worth with skins and whatnot
>>322395904
>Community donations with non-game changing cosmetics as opposed to holding game mechanics hostage
Not jewing your fanbase really pays off.
