LETS MAKE IT HOT!Any Smite players on /v/? I went to the general but as expected, it was a total shit.
>gimmick version of LoL with fake 3D
it's shit
>>322304614
Getting tired of Smite. Maybe season 3 will pull me back in but at this rate I'm quitting by february
>>322304614
Smite has Kerrigan now?
I would definitely play Smite, it was a blast when I tried it.
Were it not for the fact that Dota exists.
>>322305483
Dota is fucking shit though.
>>322305583
At least it's not a clone of a clone with literally zero originality beyond moving the camera down
>>322305583
The nature of dota is a reflection of yourself.
So it is actually you who are shit.
i played for a little while. everyone started to feel the same.
>>322305691
Everything is a skillshot in Smite. It arguably takes more real-time skill than a game where you auto attack most of the time.
>>322305887
What people don't realize about games that are exclusively skillshot based, is how linear that makes the game.
It may seem counter intuitive but think about it, skillshots mean that positioning matters so much less.
>>322305583
>>322305691
Smite isn't a bad game. It's original in that it plays different to another other MOBA, and has that decent payment model.
But Dota is better. Could be worse, we could be playing League.
Kerrigan Xel Naga skin?
Neat.
i also play smite every once in a while. I wish the map wasn't just flat though. other than that it's fun
>ITT: Casual fucks still in qualifiers
>>322304614
O-OOH, A LITTLE UNSTABLEO-OOH, A LITTLE UNSTABLE
I play off and on again. I love the game but literally no one on the general knows how to play the damn game.
>>322305887
"Real time skill" is not the only kind that exists or matters. If that were the case, shit like nethack would be considered the easiest games of all time.
Aiming dinky little projectiles in 2 dimensions with giant hitboxes really doesn't make up for all of the actual thought depth they took out of the formula
>>322306217
Look into Paragon, it's basically Smite but with actual 3D maps and movement and combat
>>322304614
It reminds me too much of SMNC. It died too quickly. I just can't play something that reminds me that much of it.
>>322304614
Looks like Lina went through her final transformation
>>322305691
Smite heroes are kind of samey, but the dodgeable auto attacks actually add a lot to the game, imo
I can almost pretend I'm not playing an ASSFAGGOTS and have fun (unless it's Conquest).
For that, I prefer it over the other games of the genre.
>>322304614
>I went to the general but as expected, it was a total shit.
Probably because the game's shit?
>>322304614
I used to play smite a lot with friends but now they dont play that much anymore so I stopped too. My favorite god is probably Isis cause she gets easy kills.
>>322306058
What? No, it doesn't. In fact it's literally the opposite, when the game is full of skillshots you have to think of your positioning in wider variety of situations rather than just "don't be in X range of person because all their shit is point and click".
>>322306419
I'm not saying they add nothing, they just add a lot less than strategy and mindgame depth.
I really don't think the dota formula works very well when you try to move it mostly towards action.
>>322306454
>because the game's shit
>.>
Hey, guess what. Path of Exile is good, but the General is cancer, same with MANY games on /vg/. If it's a singular game, the general is 80-90% chance of being pure cancer.
>>322304614
Sol ADC is the cancer killing the duo lane in Smite. Spam your third: The God.
>>322304614
why is she norse goddess, but sounds like a big assed latina gal?
Anyone just play Arena and ARAM exclusively? I don't have the time or patience for 40 min 5v5s anymore.
>>322306669
Guess I must be lucky, because even the generals of shit games I visit are pretty decent.
>>322305887
thing is though, you can't just fire a ss in any direction like most other moba.
you have your 90 degree fov and have to turn to see what is happening rather than having a bird's eye view all the time
i haven't touched lol in about 2 and a half years now.
>>322306845
Yeah I only like playing Arena because I really hate 5v5 3 lane smite but I can deal with it in dota, not really sure why.
>>322306846
If the playerbase is exceptionally small, it's usually good with a few shitters, like the RoR threads here on /v/.
>>322306845
Arena for a quick match and Clash for Conquest without the bullshit. Ido like like Conquest, but fucking hell it gets tiresome when a match starts going 40+ minutes. It's especially annoying when the other team is stomping you and every time you vote for a surrender people just vote no. Why? We're not gonna fucking win. Just end it and start a new game. Fuck.
>>322306657
I am not seeing your logic
>Smite
>If I'm out of position, I can still dodge my way out
>Any other assfaggots
>If I'm out of position, I'm 100% going to get hit
They each have their own appeals and gameplay focuses (action vs strategy), but the latter clearly punishes positioning more and puts more focus on it
>>322307459
But they can also outplay your dodge and still hit you.
>the latter clearly punishes positioning more
It's also far less deep.
>>322307459
Except for half the roster which has escape mechanics, then it's
>If I'm out of position and off cooldown, I'm fine.
>If I'm out of position and on cooldown, I'm completely fucked by their CC-mule and DPS.
>>322306285
I already did look into Paragon. I played in that like 3-hour long test they had a few weeks ago. The game is actually pretty fun
>>322307682
>But they can also outplay your dodge and still hit you.
Which is still less of a chance than 100%. Are you retarded?
>It's also far less deep.
You have no idea what "deep" means. Dodging shit isn't depth. See >>322306285
>>322306154
When is HotS shutting down anyways?
>>322307990
>which is still less of a chance than 100%
You're saying this while defending Dota 2, the game with by far the most RNG?
>see
That post doesn't say anything about what was removed. Variables you have to think about in DotA
>am I in range of his point and click unavoidable attack that requires literally zero skill to launch
variables you have to think about in Smite
>am I in range of his projectile
>is he going to fire it left
>is he going to fire it right
>is he going to fire it right at me
>is it too fast for me to dodge on reaction
>is it slow enough for me to dodge on reaction
>is it stopped by creeps and can I use them to block it
>>322306417
The difference is that I don't want to lick Op's image's feet...
>>322308121
After they release their Hydra map, a 3 lane map with a difficult challenge for a map objective: conquer 4/5 of the 5 Hydra heads that spawn over 15 minutes to claim the Great Hydra, a 5 headed demon that can be controlled by up to all 5 of your team, the first gaining control of the feet and the center head, each subsequent getting another head, amplifying the total damage output considerably.
>>322308338
Smite does take more skill than LoL, there's no fucking doubt about it. The reason LoL is so popular is because literally any old retard can play it. It's ultra simplistic and easy to learn. Smite also has better Waifus :3
>>322308561
What?
>>322308758
>is because literally any old retard can play it
Any old retard can play any of the games in the genre.
>>322308338
>You're saying this while defending Dota 2, the game with by far the most RNG?
Completely unrelated, stay on fucking topic. If you want to bitch about RNG we can do it after, but it's completely unrelated here.
You can make anything look good or bad when you take the thing your defending and jerk it off for half a dozen lines and then summarize the thing you're attacking into one. This isn't an argument.
I already explained how mechanical gameplay isn't everything, and now you're just repeating HURR BUT YOU HAVE TO LAND STUFF
Smite is an action game, Dota is a thinking game. The action is all Smite has going for it, there's very little situational depth, heavy counters in either picks or items, resource management, etc. A game that actually makes you think and has more states and variables is deeper than a game that doesn't but makes you land projectiles.
This is exactly as retarded as claiming Binding of Issac is deeper and harder than Nethack because "hurr you have to land your shots"
>>322308863
Yeah but I mean an actually mentally handicapped person could play LoL.
>>322308863
I know you're still asshurt about RTS dying, but let's try to not be complete retards here
I play Joust.On Xbone.
>>322304614
They need to remove this piece of shit character from the game.
>>322308937
>which is still less than 100%
>used as a detrimental feature in Smite
>somehow irrelevant when pointed out that Dota is full of things with less than 100% chances of succeeding
Nah.
>I already explained how mechanical gameplay isn't everything
No you didn't, you just said "if it was so good then X game would be popular".
>Smite is an action game, Dota is a thinking game
[citation needed]
>there's very little situational depth
[citation needed]
>heavy counter sin either picks or items
[citation needed]
>resource management
[citation needed]
>>322309005
An actually mentally handicapped person can play any of the games in the genre because they're literally just derivatives of a genre that actually requires you to think.
>>322305754
How underage are you to come up with that comeback?
Mods ban pls
>>322308937
>Smite is an action game, Dota is a thinking game.
HAHAHAHAHAHA fuck Dotards are seriously fucking delusional
>>322304614
I for one love the game for going absolutely nuts on having no limits with the amount of ass and tits it has
Needs more pron.
>>322309325
>>somehow irrelevant when pointed out that Dota is full of things with less than 100% chances of succeeding
No, it's irrelevant when you're talking about positioning and how targeted spells and attacks affect its significance. Stop moving the goalposts, stop strawmanning, stay on topic.
>[citation needed]
So I see you're just shitposting then
Feel free to come back any time you're actually capable of defending yourself, I'll be here
>>322309520
No one complains because the women are all mythological goddesses so it's fine if they're superhumanly beautiful and stacked like Jenga
>>322309450
Great argument, you sure showed him
>>322305691
it makes all the difference. I cannot play point-and-click games because they suck balls.
>>322309548
50% of it is futa
>>322309748
>the other game sucks because I say so
typical assfaggot player argumentative skills
>>322309450
He's not wrong. Dota requires much more knowledge than Smite does. If you don't know the game inside and out then you are shit at the game.
>>322309826
Shitty futa, too.
ROMA INVICTA!Bellona will never stomp on your balls and call you a worthless sack of shit ;_;
>>322309705
The only real "thinking" in Dota is memorizing a few more things than you'd need to memorize in any other MOBA, and only because those things are obtuse and unintuitive as fuck
It's not a "thinking man's game" it's a "you need a wiki to figure this stupid shit out" game
>>322309951
All futa is shit.
>>322310032
>I'll just criticize games I've played for less than several hours!
>what could go wrong? Nobody will be able to tell I'm full of shit!
>>322309954
Like most outwardly strong females, Bellona is a sub in the bedroom and likes being bound and degraded.
>>322309954
PARA BELLUM
>>322304614
how is the payment in this game? I have considered playing it, but I'm not sure. Can I get skins just with in-game currency or are they real cash only? how about gods, or whatever? how long does it take to unlock them?
I have played a little bit of lol when it just came out, then dota and hots, so you can use those as reference
>>322310214
>I'll just criticize games I've played for less than several hours!
Ah the old "if you dare criticize Dota then you've just never played it" chestnut, the Free Space in the "Arguing with Dotards Bingo" card
I'm just going to start declaring myself the winner whenever I see that, it'll save me time
http://www.rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1759201#search=Smite
>>322309954
>>322309954
>A MIGHTY SPHINCTER!!
>>322310346
OHAYOU GOZAIMASU
>>322310404
Smite has a deal called the "Ultimate God Pack" where you spend $30 and it unlocks all current and future heroes
Sometimes it goes on sale for like half that
>>322310407
>I'm just going to start declaring myself the winner whenever I see that, it'll save me time
This is unreal fucking levels of autism
You need to back up your claims before anyone will reply to you seriously, until then the only deduction is you're either just baiting or you have no idea what you're talking about
>>322310524
I don't really want to spend money on this thing, and having to use vanilla everything isn't exactly fun, so, how about unlocking heroes with gameplay?
Is there any decent Fenrir 34 that doesn't include any females
>>322310660
>This is unreal fucking levels of autism
Not as unreal as using the same fucking argument for the better part of a decade whenever your game gets criticized
Excuse me for being smart enough to notice a pattern in all the debates I've had
>>322310404
You need gems to buy skins or voice packs, which is really the only stuff you need to buy with actual money. You can rent or buy Gods with favour, which you earn from playing the game normally. They also give you gems and favour for consecutive login days. It's got a pretty decent payment system, nothing which feels too jewy considering the fame is free to begin with.
>>322310404
You can pay 30 bucks for all present and future gods. You can actually buy the recolor skins for in game currency but fancier one are gem only.
>>322310803
Each god takes 5500 favor to unlock. Favor is unlocked through logging in for the day, playing matches, and obtaining first wins of the day.
Winning 55 games will approximately net you a god.
>>322310404
It's not bad. You can unlock all of the gods and some skins with favor, but all the really good skins are gems only. As the other guy said, God Pack is probably something you can consider after playing the game for awhile. If you really like it, it's a great buy.
I've heard people say they've been able to earn enough favor to unlock all gods, but to me $30 is worth not having to worry about that.
>>322304614
>ever playing anything made by Hi-Rez ever again after they took /v/'s gamefu, Tribes:Ascend, and skullfucked it to death
I play LoL - yes yes, fuck you too - and thought SMITE was on, but the problem was at lvl 1 you're only getting paired with baddies so games are boring. Also FUCK hi-rez seriously jesus Christ fuck hirez
>>322311129
>listening to memes
>>322311082
>>322310994
>>322310991
>>322310942
ok, so I can unlock heroes AND get some gems for skins WITHOUT real money? guess I'll give it a try
>>322311204
>but the problem was at lvl 1 you're only getting paired with baddies so games are boring
You're a LoL player, and this game's matchmaking actually matches people with appropriately skilled enemies, so...
>>322310861
>Not as unreal as using the same fucking argument for the better part of a decade whenever your game gets criticized
As soon as anyone actually proves it wrong, people will stop using it
>make retarded, unbacked claim completely out of your ass
>people rightfully tell you you're retarded and ignore your shitty bait
>ANOTHER VICTORY FOR ME *tips fedora*
THAT is autism
>>322311206
>memes
I was there anon, I saw it. I watched Global Agenda burn. I witnessed the sacking of Tribes. I have looked into the heart of darkness.
>>322311382
Didn't Tribes come back though because Smite is carrying it financially?
>>322311267
Yeah but its a fucking grind, especially to earn gems that way. Keep renting Gods until you find one you really like using, then buy it. It's 300 favour to rent a God for 24 hours, which is like 3 or 4 matches of Arena.
>>322311319
At level 1 I don't even have an elo yet, and the game is going to match me with people of the same level, IE exp grinding. I've been lvl 30 in LoL for years now and just dont have the patience to do it again in another game.
Also, please do see my original post!
>yes yes, fuck you too
>>322311351
>hey guys I've played Dota for years, here are some problems with it
>you wouldn't be saying this if you actually played it
>...but I have played it
>AUTISMMMMM *le fedora meme*
Every argument with Dotards devolves into this, if Donald Trump said we should build a wall around Dota players he'd get my vote
>>322311610
He IS though, Brazil is in South America
>>322311610
>Hey guys I've totally played dota for years, here are a bunch of completely unbacked claims about it
You telling me you've played it for years means nothing, you actually reinforcing your arguments with anything is what needs to happen
>>322311687
Touche
>>322311696
Okay here's one
In Dota, some heroes have an ability where it modifies their auto-attack and can be toggled on and off(like Xbalanque's Branching Bolas or Ashe's Frost Shot). With those heroes you can trick the WC3 AI into thinking that you cast a spell, by manually casting the ability in a certain way rather than just toggling it on like most people would do
Even though you totally just threw an attack, it'll register as a spellcast and thus creeps won't aggro you
This is pretty obviously exploiting the WC3 creep AI, but it's necessary to do in order to play those heroes at an optimal level
Of course, there's nothing in the game that tells you this, it's completely obtuse, and it only makes any sense if you are intimately familiar with the WC3 engine
This is what Dota players mean when they say it's a "thinking man's game"
>>322312217
>This is what Dota players mean when they say it's a "thinking man's game"
No, it isn't. Try again.
The archaic mechanics are not what give the game its strategy focus over an action focus. They could remove stuff like that very little would change.
>>322312369
The "strategy" in Dota comes in part from having to memorize all of this archaic shit, so yes, it would change a lot
It would become LoL or Smite, because that's exactly what fucking happened
>>322312217
>thinking man's game
>doing this method to attack instead
Much thought, eh?
>>322312554
>I'm right because I say so
>I don't need any source or explanation
I think we're done here.
Like I said half an hour ago, you're either baiting or just have no idea what you're talking about.
>>322312660
If you don't see how removing obtuse shit that only grognards would know would change the game, then you're the one baiting here hombre
And you'll note I did offer an explanation, and an example of one of Dota's artificial difficulties
>>322312861
>If you don't see how removing obtuse shit that only grognards would know would change the game, then you're the one baiting here hombre
It wouldn't change anything within the context of this argument because those archaic mechanics are not why anyone says the game is more strategy focused than stuff like LoL and Smite.
>And you'll note I did offer an explanation, and an example of one of Dota's artificial difficulties
You wrote me an essay about how an archaic mechanic exists, you didn't prove that it's why the game is considered deep.
Telling me it exists means nothing.
A friend and I both played Smite for awhile on the Xbox One. For a person who played only Dota 2 for over a thousand hours, I've got to say that it's actually really fun once you get into it and it made the transition to console pretty much perfectly. Only thing I don't really like is this tiny text.
It's overly simplistic and some of the heroes suck major balls/are OP as fuck, but yeah , it's pretty good and the guys making it seem to put some effort into it. I was nerding out when they put in a kevin sorbo hercules voice pack.
>>322313039
>It wouldn't change anything within the context of this argument because those archaic mechanics are not why anyone says the game is more strategy focused than stuff like LoL and Dota.
Except yeah they totally are
Aside from shit like that, there's not much difference between the games, Dotards use their "advanced mechanics" as examples of why their game is so "deep" and "hardcore" even though most of these things are just glitches or exploits in the AI
>>322313296
>Except yeah they totally are
Why? Prove it.
Until you tell me why, you have zero argument and you're just shitposting with yourself
>>322313706
>Why? Prove it.
Because these games are all the fucking same
I've logged quite a few hours in Dota, LoL, Smite, HOTs, doesn't matter
Dota 2 feels more like a chore than the rest of them, maybe that's what you mean by more "strategy"
Ymir representing.
Everyone else is gay
>>322311319
Anyone who's played Smite for a while can tell you the MM is fucking atrocious.
>>322314076
Can't be worse than Heroes of the Storm
>>322314237
Never played HotS but I can't imagine it being worse. Ranked is such a shitshow because MM is broken.
>>322313986
>Because these games are all the fucking same
Prove that, then.
You aren't actually backing yourself up or explaining anything, you're just following empty claim with empty claim.
Dota and LoL style games are about as opposite as they can get while still falling under the same base formula.
>>322314458
>Dota and LoL style games are about as opposite as they can get while still falling under the same base formula.
Ummm what
They're basically the same game, Dota just has a bunch of archaic shit in it that they can't remove or else grognards will pitch a fit
>>322314637
You're just repeating the same shit I've replied to multiple times. Either come up with something new, actually back up the claims you originally made, or fuck off.
>>322311462
I heard they either are or were repairing it back to it's glory or something like that.
Why does every ASSFAGGOT thread devolve into this shit?
>>322315107
Because each ASSFAGGOTS player has convinced themselves that their game is the ONE TRUE PATH even though all of these games are basically 90% identical to each other
>>322315059
>You're just repeating the same shit I've replied to multiple times.
You're the one who's deluded yourself into thinking that Dota is drastically different from LoL
standalone mobas are a mistake
the only time when this genre was ever even remotely close to not-absolute-shit was when it was tied to other games as custom maps/mods/UMS/whatever you called them
I like to play as Athena the most.
I find using the taunt with that armor that reflects basic attack damage to kill people hilarious,
Also her ult makes it seem like I'm a team player when I'm really just trying to steal their kills.
>>322315595
Fuck that
Dota basically killed the WC3 custom map scene because you couldn't swing your dick without hitting a billion Dota clones
Why couldn't Enfo's Team Survival be the one to get so huge that it spawns an entire genre? That one was fucking awesome
>>322315486
And you still haven't proven to me why it isn't.
All your doing is digging yourself a deeper hole
>MOBA threads
>/v/
>>322315849
>And you still haven't proven to me why it isn't.
I can't prove anything to someone who basically plugs their ears and goes "la la la I can't hear you," which is basically how all arguments with Dota players end
>>322315960
They actually happen all the time.you should know this since you were there.
>>322315830
personally i would have liked impossible maps from starcraft bw ums scene to take root
at least they had more than a single map over the entire maptype
>>322316114
And they're all shit.
>tfw bought 8k gems on sale and bought everything in the odyssey
I guess the Thor skin is pretty cool, got some neat convention skins in the bonus crates too.
Anyone want to play? Drop an ign
>>322316067
Ironic, because you're the only one doing it
If you make a claim, burden of proof is on you, you need to back it up
There's nothing to plug my ears over because you haven't actually explained anything
>>322316435
This oddysey was so bad compared to last year. The Thor skin is shit.
>>322316696
I think it's pretty cool honestly, I love Mechs and shit though.
I don't mind dropping a bit of money on Smite since it's fun and actually has a respectable free to play model.
>>322316607
>Ironic, because you're the only one doing it
>If you make a claim, burden of proof is on you, you need to back it up
You're right
The burden of proof is on Dota players to prove that their game is more "strategic" than the other games in the same genre, since that was the claim being made by them
>>322316808
I would honestly play lol if it used the same model as smite.
I shouldn't have to pay $500+ just to have the option to play every character in a game.
>>322316870
Not him, but dota has stronger CC, higher base damages, high mana costs and smaller mana pools, itemization is far less scales and more utility and actives, abilities are more powerful and gamechanging, tons more focus on counters across both itemization and hero picks.
You win at dota by making smart engages and knowing how to build and play against the heroes you're against rather than by dodging and pulling off faster and better button combos.
They're very different games
did anyone hear about a Dawngate reboot or something? the devs are active on twitter again like they're working on something
>>322318639
>dota has stronger CC
If there's no counter-play to it then that actually makes it LESS strategic
>higher base damages
Little to no strategical impact
>high mana costs and smaller mana pools
Little to no strategic impact outside of managing mana, mostly a chore
>itemization is far less scales and more utility and actives
Only because most hero's abilities don't scale with items in Dota, so instead items are basically buying more abilities, rather than making your hero's abilities stronger
>abilities are more powerful and gamechanging
Opinion
>tons more focus on counters across both itemization and hero picks
I dunno, having your hero choice being basically invalidated because of someone else's choice doesn't seem very strategic to me
>>322319629
>>high mana costs and smaller mana pools
>Little to no strategic impact outside of managing mana, mostly a chore
I wut
>only have 3 shots left in the tank cannon sir!
>pff, no impact on us, only a chore
>>322319795
>sir, why didn't we requisition more ammo?
>what are you, a casual??
>>322319629
>abilities are more powerful and gamechanging
Opinion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqd56RWQ9lU
>>322319927
So what's the counterplay to that?
>>322306417
Didn't they make Crystal Maiden float for her Arcana?
So much for artistic integrity.
>>322320034
wraith since he can't die
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ_S_jweC-M
>>322319134
W-what? Anon please.. it hurts to hope.
>>322304614
Smite is awful.
It's as if Hi-Rez is afraid to make characters with any unique mechanics whatsoever - at the end of the day, every god's kit is more or less the same (relative to its class).
That, and they seem absolutely incapable of balancing to save their lives. Blatantly overpowered gods go completely untouched because they aren't popular picks in leagues, and yet they'll break out the nerfs if somebody dares do well in a tournament setting.
>>322304614
I tried until I found out you can't queue as a 4 man because of "toxicity"
Alright Dota cucks, why should I switch over to your game? I've been considering it.
GET OFF OF THEM.Who Khepri here?
>>322319629
>dota has stronger CC
>If there's no counter-play to it then that actually makes it LESS strategic
That's why there's counterplay, you fucking retard. Why wouldn't there be? Why are you talking about games you know nothing about?
>higher base damages
>Little to no strategical impact
Higher base damages mean the game is less forgiving and you're more likely to be blown up early if you don't know who you're against and aren't prepared to counter it or take the hits before going in.
>high mana costs and smaller mana pools
>Little to no strategic impact outside of managing mana, mostly a chore
Calling a strategy element a "chore" doesn't make it any less of one, anon
You're just weakening your argument here
>itemization is far less scales and more utility and actives
>Only because most hero's abilities don't scale with items in Dota, so instead items are basically buying more abilities, rather than making your hero's abilities stronger
What does that have to do with anything? How does that change the fact that it's more situational utility and actives?
>abilities are more powerful and gamechanging
>Opinion
So you've actually never played dota, it's confirmed now
>tons more focus on counters across both itemization and hero picks
>I dunno, having your hero choice being basically invalidated because of someone else's choice doesn't seem very strategic to me
So your logic is "if you're shit at strategy, the game has poor strategy design"
If you're smart you'll tuck your tail between your legs and leave the thread, you have nowhere to go but down
You pussyfooted around it all thread and as soon as the time came to explain anything all you did is reinforce how much of an uneducated retard you are
>>322320651
I'm not going to convince you to switch
But I am going to convince you to try
>no unlocking heros
>no unlocking buffs
>no money for outfits
>can make steambux from itNot much unless your lucky but still
>countless game mode mods thanks to the workshop
If you like smite or league or something, there's no reason for you NOT to try, since it won't cost you anything to trying out enough to figure if you like it or not.
I started playing Smite in August 2012. It was closed alpha version. The community was a lot better and there was more balance(less gods obviously). They should have kept focus in the game.
>>322320893
>So you've actually never played dota, it's confirmed now
AND I WIN THE ARGUMENT, WHOOOO
See how easy it is? All you have to do is criticize Dota and they resort to shitposting because they have no argument
So I was right, Dota isn't really that strategic, it's just weighed down by archaic bullshit
>>322320893
>>322319629
>>322319927
League was my first moda, played it a little before dota 2 came out.
Then dota 2 came out
>try dota 2
>some fag picks kunka
>hits lvl 6
>suddenly a massive fuck ship comes from know where and fucks up my shit.
I thought it was broke as shit because my mind was still used smaller scale skill from league. Don't get me started on chaos knights, voids, abadons, and zeus ults at the time
>>322321105
Why don't you try actually reading the rest of the post? Are you fucking serious?
>>322318639
>higher base damages
Hard to determine at what point in the match and on what person (attacker and defender) for both games.
> tons more focus on counters across both itemization and hero picks.
Same with Smite.
You think Bellona builds Midgardian mail for fun?
>>322320827
I'm a new hug bug main.
>>322320407
Smite has a thing where it's older gods released in 2012 struggle against the ones past that age but balance is at ap retty good point now.
The shitty gods are the ones that have been historically shitty.
>>322321105
>ignoring an entire pageful of counter arguments
anon...
>>322321610
The gods that are derivative I say are Nox who is basically Scylla but her pre-remake original kit was more.original.
Rat is a gimp Thor.
>>322321303
>You think Bellona builds Midgardian mail for fun?
You don't know what kind of counters dota has, do you? Here's an example:
>team A picks skywrath mage
>team B picks pugna
>pugna can place a ward that zaps any enemy who casts a spell for damage equal to the mana cost
>skywrath mage ult at max level is 800 mana
>skywrath mage dies to that
>skywrath then builds blademail and bounces that 800 damage at pugna next teamfight
Counters in dota are fucking huge and gamechanging and you constantly need to keep an eye one everyone's items to make sure something like that doesn't completely screw you over out of nowhere.
It's how the game makes up for not having much mechanical gameplay and dodging and all that, it's just a different gameplay focus on strategy and awareness versus physical mechanics.
>>322320893
>Higher base damages mean the game is less forgiving and you're more likely to be blown up early if you don't know who you're against and aren't prepared to counter it or take the hits before going in.
But Smite has pretty high base damage through out it's history.
Like Ymir can 0-80% you if you take the full brunt or near full hit of burst at level 6. It's base damage that lets Warriors and some guardian actually stand a chance against mage solos and then proceed to rape them in lane by harassing them.If you pick a mage solo barring a select few mages you will get raped by a bluestone use. Not to mention that so many gods can get by with pen (their own or one given by allies) and defense and fallback on their high bases like Xing Tian who then proceed to build some power and utility defense.
>>322322675
No you dont' get it, it's much more "strategic" in Dota, for reasons that are vague and you're a moron if you call it into question
>>322322848
>still completely ignoring the posts that prove you wrong and just shitposting instead
Just quit while you're ahead
>Dota ults are so much more powerful and game-changing
>so where's the strategy in that? You just ult and win?
>YOU JUST HAVEN'T PLAYED DOTA
>but I have, they're really not any different than ultimates in other games
>but they're so much more game-changing! But also strategic! And other buzzwords!
Shit son, maybe you guys should make sure that your talking points don't contradict each other
>>322322978
>Dota is so much more strategic!
>how?
>IT JUST IS OKAY! MOM, THEY'RE CRITICIZING MY GAME AGAIN!
>"Did you use the 'b8' meme on them?"
>YEAH BUT IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!!
GANK!
>>322322345
That happen in Smite too.
>You pick Hades and they pick Poseidon.
>Poseidon has a free kill on on you if you ever decide to attack him since you are a free pool into ult and he needs to get close which makes him easier to hit and he can beads your ult.
>You can counter his ult by using beads (every 90 seconds) or Aegis (every 120 seconds). the former gives cc immunity but the latter gives immunity to damage and based on which branch either movement but still affected by cc or you just stay still.
>Poseidon can make you burn your active by forcing you to burn it to escape like calling an ally to gank or put him in check. In those cases Hades has to burn it or face death. On top of that Actives cost money and Poseidon only needs beads to stop as well a having a low cd ult so he will ahvea gold advantage if he scares you enough.
>However when Poseidon ults you you can beads the ult then dive underground to avoid it and then set up your offense or aegis the ult then counteract.
>OR use shield of the underworld to reflect the ult damage back at him. Better yet use shield the ult to mitigate the damage and reflect it back at him s well as you heavily harming him with your ult and reflect damage.
>>322324246
>That happen in Smite too.
NO YOU DON'T GET IT
IT'S NOT "STRATEGIC"
ONLY DOTA IS "STRATEGIC!!"
I'm honestly pretty sick and tired of seeing these obviously bad Dota players (probably 3k or below) being elitist constantly trying to shit on other games when Dota 2 is currently in the worst state it ever has been in. That includes the community and Valve.
I have played Dota 2 for over 3000 hours and have also played most other MOBAs. Dota 2 is not a good game, nor is it vastly superior to the competition. Most people that play Dota 2 are third worlders and spergs that think buying arcanas for 30 bucks is good value.
>>322322978
Anon you seem to have fallen for the "false flagging meme" But worry not! For I am here to guide through the trickiest of all these memes! Until next time, meme hunters away!
>>322324381
This post sounds about right since I've never bought an arcana or put too much fuel for the fires in these threads.
Then again I'm also a 2k shittier do to drinking and dotaing at the same timeFunniest thing about drinking and dota at is watching your replays sober
Literally the only person who plays Ah Puch. lmao
>>322324381
Unfortunately, Dota players have had to put up a web of memes to make their game seem more "hardcore" than it actually is
They're worse than Dark Souls fans
