Degica considering (or not) to censor the release of Deathsmiles on Steam because of a few complains. Thoughts on this? Is censorship ok when it's only censoring a loli bath scene?
>2016
>censoring lolis
>>322212245
Censorship is especially not okay when it's censoring a loli bath scene.
>>322212352
I think they only need to remove this stupid accent in the translation.
>>322212245
The word censorship in itself is bad.
This is not debatable
>>322212491
Agreed, we should censor it.
At least shmups.com isn't made of neo-puritans... right?
>>322212447
is that a german accent?
thats funny
>>322212783
They're the ones who complained about the bath scenes anon. Most of them despite anime characters in their video games.
>>322212915
>despite anime characters in their video games.
I guess they don't play any shmup made in the last 10 years then.
Could they not just include a defaulted to on option that toggles bath towels or whatever? If you want lolis you have to go in there and set it to off.
>>322212915
>Most of them despite anime characters in their video games.
Is that not because cave had to turn to otaku pandering via anime girls to survive?
>>322212987
Battle Garegga is all they really play anon.
>>322213079
Doesn't matter as the people complaining about the bath scene wouldn't buy the game anyway.
>I understand that it's already widely available on X360, so we've been discussing a few ideas to make the PC port a little bit more special and unique compared to the previous versions. Please share your feedback/ideas concerning this.
Well removing content would be a pretty good way to do that.
>>322213396
>We don't get the 6th striker witch
FOREVER DEPRESSING
Lolicons deserve death. I am the super loli man and I will defend lolis from bullies and weirdos to my last breath
Blackbird fuckin please. You guys have been doing a good job bringing shmups on steam, don't fuck it up now by censoring shit and pissing your fanbase off.
>>322213770
You realise it's just chinese cartoons, right?
>>322213770
Spoken like a true lolicon.
>>322213992
At least every response he got has being anti-censorship, even from the users that didn't like the bath scene. Good luck he didn't ask NeoFag.
>>322213226
>Doesn't matter as the people complaining about the bath scene wouldn't buy the game anyway.
That's funny. One of the cucks on their forum is arguing the exact opposite.
>There is a loud minority out there that decries censorship so I wouldn't be surprised to see them say something. How many of those people would've bought the game in the first place, though, is debatable.
>>322214579
>There is a loud minority out there that decries censorship
How dare they?
>>322214579
Yeh but the people complaining about the bath scene are also the same people who say they won't buy Deathsmiles because it has "cute girls" in it. I'm actually interested in Deathsmiles as I like the art direction but also because it's a game that's a bit less hardcore than others Cave games. I played Mushihimesama for a while but it was really just too frustrating. Yeh I know I'm bad, but I'm sure if it had a softer difficulties ranking I could actually get better, most Cave games apparently have their easier mode way too much for me ;_;
>>322214579
I hope this guy get cancer and dies.
Well shieeet
>>322216220
Don't say that. You never know when it might come back to haunt you.
>PC release
>censorship
high change of people mod it to uncensor it, so why company played the PR nightmare by censoring it?
this is fucking stupid
>>322212245
>censoring
>on PC
Sad times
>>322217051
Actually, it's probably the smart PR thing to do.
You avoid the shit you might get for "distributing filth" and the people that care can always just patch it back in. Everyone wins.
This actually used to happen quite a bit back in the day.
>>322214579
>loud minority
>j-just ignore the SJWs
This is what comes of it. Good job /v/.
>>322216220
Hi TB, how's dying going for you?
Well /v/? are you still happy you gave this company a million dollars for muvluv?
>>322217241
DESU if they censor it I'm pirating it and modding the content back. So yes they lose my money.I'll also refund Mushihimesama if they actually go ahead and censor Deathsmiles.
>>322217241
>You avoid the shit you might get for "distributing filth"
and get PR nightmare? not to mention the "dont buy it because it support censorship" autism
I dont FUCKING GET IT, if your game is niche, stick to the fucking niche audience
if IF gone NISA and censor their game because it's "morally correct", they will lose tons of support and fans
fuck, i would stop buying game from them at all..
there is no advantage to censor your game other than giving people who dont buy the game anyway what they want
>>322217241
>Everyone wins.
When people who create the game, surely everyone wins.
When you import a Japanese game overseas and change the game around?
Oh boy, you're not going to get away with this at all.
then "censor" it like the Huniepop dev did
didn't you literally only add in an empty .txt file that was named I_FUCKED_UR_WAIFU or something, and if the game detected that file it launched in the in the uncensored state?
Why not publish the game like the devs imagined it should be, and let people who are offended by it mod out the stuff that offends them?
>>322217473
speak with your wallet, post on their forum and show it to them
these motherfucker will keep bowing down to the outrage culture until they lose everything and not realizing they are fucking with their core audience
>>322217589
huniepop method is bearable, the game have everything but locked, if you want it to be unlocked just download a patch or change settings. Uncensoring it all together will fuck with the core audience
>>322217705
What website did OP even get that screenshot from
>>322217765
system11
>>322217705
>huniepop method is bearable
You mean the method where more than half of the buys were from the main website which gave you a DRM free version of the game and a key for the steam version?
>>322212245
I don't think Degica is considering it, I've been following that thread and it looks more to me like Blackbird is seeking confirmation on his assumption that that people interested in Deathsmiles wouldn't be okay with censorship
When is this game supposed to be released? I bought mushihimesama 3 days ago and currently trying to 1cc original normal mode with no bombs. I am 14 hours into the game and up to level 3 stage boss. This game is really fun.
So whats answers they got?
>>322218080
IIRC you can also uncensor the steam version with the patch provided by them, if anything it's just a simple TXT file or something like settings
that's the best option any DEV could do, it needs more effort but it does please both sides. If people still bitch it's needs to be censored than the dev should realize these people wont buy the game anyway
>>322218080
He's talking about that: http://steamcommunity.com/app/339800/discussions/0/616198900649668367/
Valve is okay with that as long as the patch is not hosted on their servers.
>>322218208
this probably the last option any dev could make, anything beyond this [giving option to the players whether they want it censored or uncensored] is ridiculous
>>322218112
Pretty much every post after >>322214579 this one is a solid "No, don't mess with it"
Even though the thread was in the middle about arguing whether or not the game was "eww creepy xdd" the people there are smart enough to realize that CAVE decided to make the game the way it is now and it's a bit silly and late to go back and start messing with it.
I don't think that most people that actually play videogames as a hobby are cool with censorship, it's just that many people don't realize that they're buying stuff that has been put through a localization grinder.
>>322218208
Valve seems to have given different people different answers on this kind of content switch. It seems to depend on who you get as your manager. IIRC they've told mangagamer and some oelvns with nudies not to pull it(though mangagamer was happy to jew out the situation by hiking the price for the uncensored versions on their site).
>>322218086
It's amazing when you see almost 50% of the people who bought Cave first game were Japanese... then they ask a small forum for their opinion???
Heh
>>322218439
>though mangagamer was happy to jew out the situation by hiking the price for the uncensored versions on their site
If they were charging for an uncensor patch the Valve would absolutely not allow that. That would essentially be the company selling "exclusive content" for a game purchased on Steam through a competing site and that's violates conditions for having your game on Steam.
>>322218528
>small forum
Biggest shmup forum out there m8.
Why don't they just add a censor on/off switch for these kinds of games? Seems like a good solution to me.
>>322218676
The game gets the rating of the highest permitted censorship setting regardless of its inclusion.
Otherwise German copies of games would have gore as an on-off toggle rather than forced.
Just sent them an e-mail detailing all of the problematic elements in Deathsmiles that need to be localized for a western audience. Hope the localization team gets on it.
>>322218748
Fuck off
>>322218676
They used to do stuff like that in the 90s. It wasn't enough to satisfy the types of people that complain about the mere existence of content they otherwise have no interest in.
>>322218806
Go cry about your frozen peaches elsewhere.
>>322218559
>implying Degica can be trusted
If they censored this I wouldn't be surprised if they removed stuff from Deathsmiles too.
>>322218904
Nothing was censored.
>>322218647
I think you're misunderstanding.
Mangagamer sells an "All Ages" version on Steam, while they also sell the "uncut" version on their website. They don't just sell the patch by itself.
pic related is originally $34.99 on steam (not counting the current winter sale discount)
This goes back to what the other anon said, VNs have a harder time getting onto steam if they can be uncensored through an official patch (even if the patch isn't hosted on Steam), so Mangagamer just sells two versions
>>322218663
>implying they are relevant when Japan bought almost as many copies as USA on a USA site
>>322218978
Did you actually look at the image? The loli character has been covered up compared to the Japanese version.
>>322218978
Look at the girls top.
>>322219054
Thanks for reminding me to buy this anon
>>322219197
>>322219143
That's not censorship.
The only problem really is Steam doesn't like the idea of Ao games. Ao games are a iffy things for distributors. But if there is nothing there to actually make it Ao than the game should always be completely intact.
>>322219274
this is you
>>322219345
There is no conspiracy, idiot. Censorship can only be done by the government.
>>322219432
Ayn Rand pls go
>>322219432
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship
>>322219274
It is clearly censorship. Look again at >>322218904 they fucked up her design to appease SJWs. They even gave her bigger boobs during the design change.
>>322218904
That's dumb and I won't defend it but it's just cover art right? Was there any censorship to the actual program itself?
>>322219742
Well if anyone has the game they'd just need to boot it to see if it's censored as well considering that should be the game's loading screen. Considering the loli has a background on Steam and it's the censored version I wouldn't be surprised if they also censored her from the game's loading screen and censored her in-game face from the RTP too.
>>322219725
It's not censorship unless the government does it.
>>322220070
Fuck off SJW.
>>322219725
>They even gave her bigger boobs
Neo-lolicons like you have SJW-level victim complexes and actively look for reasons to feel oppressed even when they're completely wrong
>>322219572
People should also google Ursula Gauthier because it's a case of a journalist working in China who refused to self-censor herself and got booted out of China yesterday as a consequence.
Self-censorship is something very real.
>>322220219
>>322220161
>SJW
Can this GG meme die already?
SJWs aren't real, go back to /pol/. It's 2016.
>>322220017
Loading screen only has from her shoulders up but I think that's probably because it's centred to have all 4 characters faces visible and she doesn't have a ingame spite or faceit's different catgirlbut I'm fairly certain it's like this every version of Ace anyway.
>>322220495
Kill yourself you disgusting subhuman
>>322220916
t. Reddit
>>322220916
You're not welcome here tumblr
>>322221054
>"It's not censorship unless the government does it."
>Brings up GG out of nowhere
You're being trolled
Is there a way to approach the publisher?
I want to remind them how the people demanding the game to be censored aren't going to buy it in the first place and censoring it will only anger the people who actually will buy it.
>>322221148
They already know well and simple.
>>322220495
FUCK OFF. Kill yourself.
>>322218559
When they're saying that a scene is "icky" and weighing up the negative consequences for censoring?
Yes, that means they're "considering" it, does he not know the meaning of that word?
>>322221297
Look at this faggot who thinks SJW is a real thing
>>322221148https://twitter.com/DegiGames
>>322221401
Slit your throat
>>322221389
>"icky"
>implied naked & sexualized children
sounds about right
>>322220916
>implying /v/ isn't the most ungrateful board when /pol/ has bailed you niggers out after you stick your dicks in SJW beehives
I thought you hated those types andJewishbusinessmen pushing DLC to further ruin your precious hobby?
>>322221449
grow up you manbaby
>>322221567
>>322221479
Get out you fucking landwhale
>>322221479
>A game ever implying that a kid takes their clothes off for a bath is icky
>A game ever implying that a kid is taking a bath is sexualization
>>322221479
>Cave games sell more in Japan than US and EU
Why would they censor the game when their audience is Japan and not the west?
>>322221540
/pol/ is where the real SJWs come from
>>>/pol/
And stay there
you faggots get so mad about the dumbest shit.
>>322221783
Saying you're voting for Trump kills fat people?
>>322221443
Seems like I need to create a twitter account.
Far more useful than shitposting on /v/.
>>322221882
No, I'm saying Trump is a joke.
>>322221389
"yuck" is a quote of another user and Blackbird is referring to a debate that had been occuring over the previous pages
>>322221882
We're gonna Make America Great Again
>>322221912
Is this the new *unsheathes katana*?
>>322222031
I love all the butthurt Trump causes
>>322221891They sure are going to take seriously a new twitter account that was created for the sole reason to tell them to censor their games.
>>322221942
Yes, they are conceding that there is an ounce of truth to a nonsense argument that implied bathing is yuck, and weighing up options, it's not that censorship is bad, only that more customers would be angry about it than the brainwashed college kids who think bathing is gross.
Yes, they are "considering" it.
>western pigdogs
>sexualizing and censoring a non sexual event.
>>322221891
Just reply on shmups.system11.org
>>322221912
This retard actually deleted that tweet.I was actually going to report him to the police for it. Has anybody archived that tweet?
>>322222197
>implying he plays shmups
>>322221783
What that expression is trying to convey? Does she think that she looks any differently in her average day-to-day life?
Anyone /casper/ here? Best girl also got the best endings.
>>322222129
>they are conceding that there is an ounce of truth to a nonsense argument that implied bathing is yuck
To be fair the "Windia's delicious urine" Tea thing was discussed too, which is why he refers to the discussion as the "yuck factor" discussion.
>>322222429
tbqh it looks like it's trying to gasp for air to sustain a nearly400lbsbody.
>>322222545
I'm going to marry Casper!!!
>>322222670
I'm into loli but I really don't see the obsession of Japan for piss. I'd still buy it for the lolz and because it has nice artwork on it.
>>322222710
Why is that boy wearing a dress?
>>322223241
It's a 11-year-old girl. It's normal for her to be flat like a boy.
>>322223241
That's a girl.
This is a boy.
>>322220796
I can confirm the JP loading screen doesn't show the bottom. (Japanese trial from the JP site)
Where is it? I bought Mushihime-sama, and if they censor something I'm not buying shit. I've had it with companies pulling that.
wait a minute what is there even to censor in this game?
>>322223556
Why is that boy hugging a dress?
>>322223941
I'm asking what forum is that so I can register and post what I said here there.
>>322224005
The terrible gameplay would be a great start.
>>322224212
he is suprised she found out he is a faggot.
>>322224279
Reading the thread would help
>>322217847
>>322224420
Reading is for faggots.
Like the ones that want to censor my games.
>>322212245
isnt this the same forum that leaked all the caveui roms way back? kek.
>>322223556
Why does that girl wear boy's panties?
>>322222710
Why is that little girl blushing at seeing a topless little girl?
>>322212245
It's not a game I would have played to begin with so it doesn't matter to me. The anime games that get censored on Steam which I do want to play always have uncensor patches or an uncensored version you can buy outside of Steam.
>>322226119
We shouldn't have to patch a game that isn't porn though.
>censoring a product to appeal to a userbase that won't even buy your game and thus making it unappealing to your existing fanbase
Why don't developers get this? People who aren't into moe or lolicon aren't going to flock to your game because you take out a risque scenes or cover up more skin on a character. The people saying those things need to be censored are people who were never going to play your game in the first place, they're just people trying to find another japanese game to call "problematic" and "gross" because it doesn't appeal to them or their "western sensibilities" and to rile up fans of moe anime artstyle because in their eyes all anime fans are disgusting smelly pedophiles in the making. Someone needs to remind japanese developers sabotaging your own vision doesn't equal more sales.
>>322226119
It'll matter to you when it comes to a game you like, and who will defend you then?
>>322213079
Cave?
>>322223120
>Casper hugpillow
>>322228373
They're retarded, what's new?
>>322228962
>Cave-chan isn't a loli in bikini
