Why is this even being made? Tactical shooters won, no one wants this arena shit now. It's over. These games never evolved the genre and stagnated into bunnyhopping tourneyfag shit. This game is gonna be dead on arrival. Unless they plan on overhauling it and adding basic modern mechanics like a cover system, sprinting, and parkour, what's the damn point?
>>322015431
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCZOvTTdH0U
Looks like shit compared to Halo 5
Overwatch is gonna kill this piece of shit anyway
>>322015431
Actually, candycrush won.
>>322017246
Nah CoD won
arena shooters are dead, people need to deal with it
>>322017312
Black Ops 3 is an arena shooter though. What an embarrassing post
>>322016128
holy fuck that's boring
I thought CS:GO was slow
this is literally jumping around the map for 10minutes avoiding each other and collecting powerups which don't mean shit when you get shock combo'd
>>322017783
that all quake 3 was kiddo
>>322015431
>All this samefaging
top kek
>>322018172
And then people wonder why shit like Quake died. It fucking blows.
>>322017452
Black Ops 3 is a tactical shooter with advanced movement techniques.
>>322019292
>And then people wonder why shit like Quake died. It fucking blows.
I can't tell if people are trolling when they say stuff like this, and it makes me sad.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bad. Arena shooters were the most pure competitive FPS ever made, glad to see at least some still trying to keep it going. I miss UT2k4, and UT99.
>>322015431
nice b8 m8
>>322020652
They're boring and shallow as hell man, watch the video, no cover mechanics, just jumping around like a spaz
>>322020652
> Arena shooters were the most pure competitive FPS ever made
Incorrect at the highest tiers of pleb.
Arena shooters were completely about twitch reflexes and powerup timing memorization.
There was little to no actual skill involved.
>>322015431
Different strokes, different folks. I love Halo 5's take on "arena" gameplay buy you have to give credit where it's due.
>also
>tactical shooter
>COD
LOL
Daily reminder that high TTK shooters will always require more skill than low TTK
>>322016128
>dem encounters that drag out over 10 minutes
>>322020993
>this bait
>>322017783
>comparing 1v1 tryhardshit to full team normal games
wew
>>322020993
THIS
The games were fun, but overrated as hell
Vehicles WHEN?
>>322021551
>implying longer encounters aren't more cinematic and fun, like a firefight in an action film
Jesus, all the people in this thread that haven't actually played the game. DM and capture the flag are fun as fuck.
>>322015431
>Anon got buttblasted for the first time in UT4.
Damn anon how's it feel to suck?
>>322015431
>Tactical shooters
>good
Are you talking about boring piece of shit called CS?.
Arma and maybe that game/mod called Project Reality (haven't played it) are the only good tactical shooter.
Arena shooters are the apex genere of multiplayer games.
>>322018172
Only when bad people played.
>>322021918
Given the OP was shitposting bait it's not surprising really that a lot of the responses are too is it? Most of us who loved playing UT99 in highschool/college when it first came out or UT2k4 later probably aren't going to even bother replying, so you're kind of self-selecting here. At least a few people probably genuinely hate the skill required however, they want something slower, preferably more random, and with more artificial "experience" stat based mechanics or "unique loadouts" or whatever to help even out the skill differences between them and those who are a lot better and willing to put in a lot more time.
I don't even disagree with people who want that either so long as they're honest about it. There's nothing wrong with games like that and they can a be a ton of fun too. It's irritating when they try to pretend it's the be-all end-all, but insecure fags who have to self-justify for some reason rather then just enjoying stuff for what it is shouldn't surprise you either.
>>322019292
>And then people wonder why shit like Quake died
It kinda died because it was too hard and too fast for the great mayority of players.
>>322022280
The game is piss easy to play, due to there being no cover mechanics or any other actual mechanics that allow for advanced gameplay.
>>322022505
Yeah, making it fucking shit. The game wasn't fun to play or learn to play, and was kept alive by a community of like 25 people pretending they're some hardcore badass for memorizing where powerups are on a map that takes like 2 seconds to travel through via bunnyhopping.
ITT: why civilized countries are going to shit
>>322022329
CoD Advanced Warfare and Black Ops 3 shit all over this arena garbage. BF3/4 shit on it, Halo series and Gears series does too. If you like rote memorization, spazzing buttons, and spamming weapons, go play a fighting game, shooters moved on past that archaic ass arcade gameplay.
>>322015431
I know it's b8, but arena shooters are still being made and, though niche, still have a loyal fanbase.
>>322024312
Yup, all 25 people worldwide.
It's free, first off.
Secondly, it's being made by the community. Not just Epic employees.
There's no way for it to "fail".
Honestly, the only shooters I can play anymore are realistic, slow paced ones like arma, insurgency and PR. Maybe I'm just getting old, but everything else just doesn't cut it for me anymore
>>322024534
Yeah I'm sure all 25 players will keep it afloat as everyone else plays better shooters with mechanics that advanced past the late 90s/early 2000s.
>>322024576
It's because you acquired a taste for realism, and tactical gameplay mechanics. A game based entirely around twitch reactions isn't very deep, it's the reason fighting games are kinda a joke. Way too reliant on that shit.
op is right, fuck arena shooters!
>>322024819
You ever play those Barbie horse games?
>>322017452
>Black Ops 3
>arena shooter
kek, the only arena part of it is the mobility
>>322025717
No, I play games made for MEN
guns, blood, and glory
>>322024819
while I agree with what you're saying overall.
You had to go too far and post obvious bait right here
>it's the reason fighting games are kinda a joke. Way too reliant on that shit.
Fighting games have some of the strongest communities and tournament settings in all of gaming even to this day. And your criticism mostly applies to Nintendo fighters, but we all know Nintendo is designed for children so of course they have no inputs.
I play it when I don't feel like
Why is "tournyfag" even ised as an insult. Are people really this shitter shattered about the idea of someone being better at a game than them.
Lmao
>>322026089
>Fighting games have some of the strongest communities and tournament settings in all of gaming even to this day.
I don't give a fuck, they're shallow as shit
>g-g-git gud
I did, they're still boring and shallow.
>>322015431
Alright get ready.
Stone cold truth coming up.
Steel yourself.
Arena shooters are actuallyfun.
>>322015431
Tactical shooters are boring and uninteresting, Counter Strike is still pretty much the most enjoyable one to play even after all these years.
Arena Shooters are dumb as shit but goofy and interesting.
What's wrong with you, were you born in the 00's?
>>322026395
so does bad rats
>>322026338
I didn't ask you to like them, I just pointed out that you're being a factually incorrect shitposter.
Your opinion isn't the only one, and its certainly doesn't define reality for anyone except yourself.
Otherwise you had a decent post, just tone down the inflammatory shitposting urges and you may actually come across as a decent levelheaded poster. Which is quite rare on /v/ I might add.
>>322026278
tourneyfags are the kind of people who play quake on the lowest graphical settings because "good graphical details distract my eyes"
same for fighting game players who only play on the training stage for the same reason and "I need the grid to remember the exact range of my attacks"
Hear, here, op! :)
>>322026552
>Tactical shooters are boring and uninteresting,
Only because you suck at them, you need things to be at blinding speed, or your goldfishesque attention span causes you to get distracted
>>322026738
>same for fighting game players who only play on the training stage for the same reason and "I need the grid to remember the exact range of my attacks"
Except that if you're good enough you don't need that stage
Almost all tournament matches the past few years were on regular stages
>>322026594
What?
>>322026964
apparently the vast majority of players online are trash then since they NEED that stage
>>322027027
wow you're new as fuck if you don't know about bad rats...
>>322016128
>Looks like shit compared to Halo 5
Is this bait or are people just this underage now?
>>322015431
>>322016128
>look mommy I'm posting a bait thread look at all these (you)s I got (^:
Also
>Parkour
UT had 'parkour' and platforming when you were still shitting in your diapers and sucking your mothers tits. So since yesterday.
>>322027063
It's not for spacing, it's to reduce latency or some shit.
Same reason why some people playing BB online always say not to pick certain stages since it makes everything go to shit
>>322024819
>A game based entirely around twitch reactions isn't very deep, it's the reason fighting games are kinda a joke. Way too reliant on that shit.
Why even pretend to know what you're talking about on an anonymous imageboard?
Embarassing.
>>322016128
This is shit.
Get rid of the items because it's clear that's what's slowing the game down.
>>322026338
Define shallow?
>>322015431
It's fun.
Too bad I can never find a game of fucking CTF that has people playing since there's no real server browser.
>>322020950
>he actually thinks cover mechanics are good
>raw freedom of movement, no gimps, no perks, no bullshit is somehow bad
>fights being decided by reflexes and aim is somehow bad
>no ADS is somehow bad
Kill yourself holy fuck
People born after 1990 need to be exterminated
Unreal games have always been about testing the unreal engine. It's not really about the game itself. I find them fun but it can't really flop unless the engine is so garbage that no one wants to use it.
the shitposting ITT by that one guy is deplorable
where is the subtlely nowadays
>>322026862
>Only because you suck at them
That goes both ways you idiot.
If you don't know anything about a game everything will seem boring and uninteresting.
Here I can post this and to anyone who didn't play the game it will look bog standard and uninteresting.
>>322021545
Fucking this
"Hardcore mode" is for fucking babies. You only need a fraction of a second of maintained accuracy to kill
Higher TTK = higher requirement for maintaining accuracy whilst also making yourself hard to hit = higher skill
You will always be pleb if you play hardcore mode
>>322027203
>UT had 'parkour'
No it didn't, kiddo.
>>322027183
Halo 5 is fucking sick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YDpjMznPxQ
>>322026552
>Counter Strike is still pretty much the most enjoyable one to play even after all these years.
Bahahaha, what? The truth is the opposite, CS has only become worse and worse with time. While other tactical shootans have developed bigger maps and more features like lean, sprint, carry weight, simulated projectiles, better material penetration, better customization, classes, etc., CS is stuck in basically the same state as it was in 1.6. The only way it's moved forward in the last 15 years or so is in graphics.
>>322015431
>>322016128
>>322019292
>>322024023
Get educated you fucking moron, on the offchance that these are your genuine opinions and not just shitposting.
The genre died because the vast majority of people don't want to play something that actually has a high skill ceiling resulting in good players shitting on bad players consistently.
>>322027148
What?
>>322026738
Actually people pick the training stage because it's less intensive for consoles and it was proven that certain stages on Marvel/SF4 would drop frames on the PS3 for example.
>>322027554
You sound like the kind of person that thinks fighting game matches should be decided by who can input a move better than another guy and who can do longer combos or abuse frametraps better. Games that require actual strategy are way above your league my friend. Stick to angry birds or something, ok?
>>322027716
>No it didn't, kiddo.
>MEYH, MEYH HELP I'M SHITTING MY DIAPER BECAUSE I NEVER PLAYED 2K4 MYEH
Try playing the game before you shit on it you stupid fucking baby. If you did you would know you can parkour and wallrun in that game
Fucking dolt, does your mother put your shoes on in the morning?
>>322027716
You pushed it too far and now everyone knows you're just baiting.
There's no particular reason why HALO would be better, since it's essentially the same thing as most PC arena shooters, except slowed down to the level that it looks like it's designed for disabled people.
>>322027668
>tons of special effects for ADD kids
>muh cuhrazay combos
It's shit.
>>322027554
Whoa there pal I was born in 92' and I love me some UT, even though I'm not that great in actual servers. I was doing pretty good in some Instagib servers a while ago, that shit is fun as fuck. Going fast and wall jumping all over the place.
I also play Squad and PR.. pls no exterminate.
This is it /v/. I'm permanently moving to /vr/. I'm getting to old for this shit.
>>322027716
Not him, but while I can't recall about UT99, UT2k4 had Wall running and Wall jumping
Also I can't stomach watching a video of a guy missing 80% of the time.
>>322024023
Am I being trolled?
>>322026862
>tacticool ADS 720 noscope rekt ur nan simulator
>skill
Lmao
Literally any arena player can waltz into cod and still destroy any faggot who's too young to remember arena shootans
>muh modern mechanics
100% crutches for people who can't handle arena shootans
UT was always dumb because of the fucking shock rifle
there's no point to using anything else except at extreme distances
>>322028043
>>322027716
>>322028236
It also had shield jumps, jump cancels, and basically allowed people to fly if they were good enough with handling their weapons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6auV6rjmWo
>>322015431
>cover
eh it's called dodging behind a post
>sprinting
it's called dodging
>parkour
it's called dodging, wallslides, walljumps, and bunnyhopping
>>322027751
Wow, how much time did you waste making an image full of lies and bs? Because it's sad if that shit took actual time, dude. You can move with ironsights, maybe you should stop being bad. I never played any tactical shooter where all people did was stand still shooting, are you fucking for real?
>>322028234
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya
adios!
>>322028385
>parkour
did I mention rocket jumping, hammer jumping, jump pads, etc?
>>322028393
I didn't make it, and you're a shitposter who probably hasn't played any actual tactical games at all.
>>322028543
IIRC 2k4 also had ramp jump boosts if you dash jumped off a ramp with the correct timing. Was never good at trick jumping (guess its called fucking "parkour" now even though that's not what the word fucking means).
>>322028309
>Literally any arena player can waltz into cod and still destroy any faggot who's too young to remember arena shootans
How the fuck that gonna happen? Remember, your shockblast bs doesn't work here, neither does your "i'm gonna exploit glitches to let me leap my way through the entire map in 5 seconds" shit. I'd put your ass down faster than I can say "Vaya con Dios"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJIrwNwtzfw
>>322028385
There's a world of difference between well made cover mechanics, and simply hiding behind a fucking post
>he needs to bunnyhop to get around the map
>mfw I shoot the bunnyhopper from far away safely behind a corner
>>322027939
>wah its in the game and I don't like it
>moooom its not fair! ;_;
oldest pasta in the universe taught us that there are two kinds of competitors:
those who learn every tactic the metagame has to offer and adapt with it as it evolves
and whiny faggots who don't want to adapt and want handicaps to keep them on an even footing
>cover systems
>ads
>perks
>kill streaks
>crits
etc
>>322028708
>Everything move slowly
>Pretty much every gun is a railgun when aiming
>Most guns deals as much damage as a railgun
>No armor/health/weapon spawns to learn
It's like turning on instagib and disabling jumping while also slowing down the game.
>>322028708
>How the fuck that gonna happen?
Having actual skill and reactions.
The funny thing about games like COD is that only 14 year olds think they are 'tactical'
They are basically just watered down arena shooters. Small maps where people move in a circular fashion, quick respawn etc. They are just super slowed down and have gimmicky shit like killstreaks/death streaks added in so bad players like you don't cry
>>322028708
Doesn't matter if the arena shooter has better reflexes and aim, which they certainly do if there's an equivalence in hours and practicability
>>322029012
I don't adapt to shit games, and game developers agree with me. Hence why shooters adapted new mechanics, and arena shooters DIED.
>I can't handle realistic movement and gunplay
>I need muh cuhrazay zap zap spray n pray while going 300mph gameplay or it sucks
git gud
>>322028393
>Newfag doesn't know how old that pic is.
I remember seeing it back in atleast 2009.
Hey retards, look here.
Quake 3 is one of the deepest and most complex games ever made. It not only requires reflexes, but the ability to create complex strategies within a split-second to succeed over your opponent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAE1aWOXx8M
Look at this and ask yourself "At what point when you're flying around at speeds that match your monitor's refresh speed are you able to create a plan mid-flight based on subtle cues such as sound.
At no point do either of them slow down to 'see what spawns next' or 'Stop to see where to go next'. Every single hop and movement is critical to their playstyle.
One player missing a two-frame visual cue is what cost him the match.
If you say for a second any of your baby COD games are this in-depth, strategic, or tactical. You're a lying piece of shit retard. Likely pic-related.
There is nothing wrong with not liking Quake, there is everything wrong with being too dumb to understand it.
>>322029247
>>322029247
>moving the goalposts to muh aesthetics and ignoring actual dynamics of the gameplay
>>322029186
And my reflexes and aim are better because I didn't waste years of my life mastering how to use glitches to hop around a map, I spent it learning to AIM, use COVER, and plan STRATEGICALLY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bs9bVjMaC8
>black guy doing cuhrazay flips and spins = arena shooter players
>white guy using strategy and cunning = tactical shooter players
>>322029247
>git gud
At what? Games that are basically 10x slower versions of what I was playing a decade ago?
Funny thing is I enjoy both ends of the spectrum. Superfast arena shooters like Quake and Tribes, and very slow paced tactical games like SWAT and Rainbow 6 series.
What developers make now is middle of the road garbage that is designed to be as accessible and make the average player feel as good as possible so they keep playing.
>>322016128
No Thanks. I browse /gif/ all the time, and let me tell you that "sissy hypno" is not my cup of tea.
>>322029513
I didn't ignore shit, you guys need shit to be like some wacky anime because realism fucks you up, that's what happens when you spend late nights downing can after can of red bull to improve your twitch reactions
>>322029012
This
Grew up on UT99. Friends got me to play Cawadooty for a while, I completely shit on the other teams. I could carry a team of 6 on my own in TDM. My average K/D per match in CoD games was around 50/3.
Those games are a joke and the cancer of the industry. Like anon said, all the handicaps are ridiculous
>>322029336
>One player missing a two-frame visual cue is what cost him the match.
Same reason fighting games are trash, way too reliant on frame data and not mental strategy, cunning, and tactical decision making
Military shooters won because slow movement speed works well with controllers. Its really that simple.
Think a controller user will be able to rocket jump and headshot someone from a distance without aim snapping or slow time? Just watch anyone play a shooter with a controller for a few minutes, its like watching a F1 driver complete laps using his feet.
>>322029828
/thread.
>>322029752
>I should get infinite do-overs when I fuck up, games are where everyone should win :^)
I'll just keep posting videos involving great minds fighting each other at high speeds while you keep shitting yourself, you dumb fucking baby.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPSBNnXmYqk
>>322028954
>cover system
>well made
Literally cannot be older than 17 and thinks he knows shit about vidya
>>322027419
It does seem like there is an overabundance of health and armor for a 1v1 but I'm sure that gets fixed with more players.
>>322029516
>bringing race into it because of his
>LITTLE
>>322029828
tl;dr Consoles ruin everything
>>322029710
Bullshit, nice made up story there. I'd fucking destroy you and make you regret ever even learning wtf a shooter is. I take this shit very seriously, my mind is like a fucking gps, I take Diazepam to ensure I am able to focus, and I have no problems waiting out my prey. I'm like the Predator, you'll be hopping around searching for me as I outwit you at every turn, and when you least expect it, when your nerves are failing you, and you feel that fear in your heart, BAM. I'm like a fucking spider, I'm not gonna leap out and bite you, no. I make a web, and lay in wait, and when you fall in? I got my spinarettes ready. I'm gonna wrap you up nice and tight, and you're gonna love this. When you can't move, then you'll know, that I'm gonna suck everything out of you.
>>322030157
>implying racism
>implying I wasn't pointing out which guy was which
>being this sensitive in the year 2015
>>322030209
Holy shit is this pasta? Please be pasta.
>>322030209
okay guys - Party's over. the trolling has reached elementary school level.
>>322030324
Says the guy defending his babby tier struhteejik shootans that might as well be turn based to allow maximum struhtuhjeez
Maybe action games aren't for you if quake is so intimidating you low iq chimp
>>322029247
This is what people do in your 'realistic' shooters
Notice how nobody can fucking hit the guy, because they can't aim at something moving faster than a rolling ball.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNvDUO42Hys
>>322015431
speak for yourself faggot
i don't even like UT but it's a million times better than your tacticool no skill faggotry simulators
>>322030157
>CALL OF
>>322030573
What's the matter, your brain so malfunctioned from years of gulping down energy drinks while playing quake, that you can't handle strategy? low iq chimp? You're a fucking bug, and you know what spiders like me do to bugs like you. Get that spinarette ready, tie you up real good, real nice, and then when you realize struggling is useless, I sink my fangs in, and suck you dry.
>>322029752
>way too reliant on frame data and not mental strategy, cunning, and tactical decision making
Did you even watch the fucking video? They're making strategy and tactical decision making at almost a tenth of a second speed.
It's just one player's strategy was better than another'.
Dumb cunt.
>>322015431
Who cares, it's fun?
>>322030676
>load video
>see guy jumping constantly like a rabbit
>turn video off
Shit looks gay as fuck, what a homo ass way to play a shooter, you think they do that in the military, leaping around like idiots?
>>322030845
Hey, is this your photo?
>>322030872
>Did you even watch the fucking video? They're making strategy and tactical decision making at almost a tenth of a second speed.
yare yare daze...
>>322030845
Not him, but you seem to have been ignoring all the people posting quake videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11towq-lYM
Go on, if these two are such low-iq chimps, you should be able to best both of them. Go on, do it.
>>322031227
>implying they wouldn't fall into my web and get wrapped up nice and tight, then eaten alive
>>322029752
>counterstrike
>buy awp
>mash A and D between every doorframe
>win by clicking first
>repeat
not feeling it desu
>>322031327
Found your photo.
>>322030676
Most of the headshots he gets are complete horseshit or luck.
Every other kill is him shooting people from behind because he get to their part of the map sooner than they would expect.
>>322031029
And do you think super space warriors in the future go around teabaging fallen super space warriors?
Or how people dash through areas because lolrespawns?
Or how people are good as new 5 seconds after eating a grenade?
Or how people call in the big guns only after getting 5 arbitrary kills?
Or how people capture flags in a battlefield?
It's a fucking game, treat it as such.
>>322031531
What's your point you fucking sperglord? The video has nothing to do with him being good, it's about his hilarious advantage with bhopping that assblasts kids like you.
>>322031621
>And do you think super space warriors in the future go around teabaging fallen super space warriors?
Actually Snowden discovered NASA files that detailed space wars between humans and greys, and greys are known to teabag their defeated foes.
>>322031751
Sauce me up m8, I need a laugh.
I'm glad we're having this thread.
Controllers are the tools of retards who don't want to participate in the game but feel more than welcome to get a participation award.
They're not the hallmark of any kind of 'skill or strategy', they're the tool of chimps and idiots who want to be part of a group they're not good enough to be in, so they cripple everyone else in order to feel like everyone else is just as shitty as they are.
It's really only good for third person action games, consoles should get a equivalent for their shooters.
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJN1VvfHO4M
Player 2 would be above-average for a controller player. It's just too bad he's playing against someone who knows the superiority of mouse+KB.
>>322031914
This is a pretty shitty argument considering counter-strike is played on PC.
>>322032028
>counter strike
>controllers
I think you need to go tell Mommy you've been shitposting again.
>>322032151
I think you need to learn to read, fuckwit. The argument in this thread is almost exclusively about arena shooters vs tactical shooters, not KB+M vs controllers.
Don't let mummy know you're awake, it's past your bedtime.
>>322016128
So sticking to BF4 and whatever DICE LA puts out next got it.
>>322032325
>I think you need to learn to read, fuckwit. The argument in this thread is almost exclusively about arena shooters vs tactical shooters, not KB+M vs controllers.
And the argument is also about which is superior: The tactical shooter which is designed with a controller in mind, or the arena shooter.
It's too bad you're such a retard that you don't see how the two correlate with each other. You can go back to praising Halo 5 like the three your old you are.
>>322032325
even on PC, Tactical shooters are more strategic and fast-paced than console shooters.
The tactical shooter is a modern invention by focus groups to casualize the shooter to make it readily accessible to consoles.
If you think, for even a second, this isn't a controller vs KB+M argument, then you're braindead-stupid. Literally too dumb to live.
The whole reason anyone even knows about your precious Halo is because it was one of the first playable console shooters that didn't make retarded decisions like binding weapon switch to the second analog stick.
Go to Mommy and tell her you've been a retard. Maybe she can beat some sense into you.
>>322031914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg
>>322031914
>only good for third person action game
only if the control scheme are designed badly aka absolute separation of camera and movements and pushing tons of buttons to do one thing instead of just pushing one.
the batman games can be played as well on mkb as with controller
the risen games play better on mkb than on controller despite being multiplat
witcher 3 without soft lock cant be played with a controller and provide more tactical option as well.
>>322032557
Too bad tactical shooters started on PC with Delta Force and Counter-Strike, and were cemented as the next "Pop" genre with Battlefield 2.
Go take your "consoles ruin everything!" to >>>/r/pcmasterrace if you aren't even going to try to make a decent argument.
obligatory video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q76UNcuKSVY
q3 cpma - literally a promod for quake 3
>>322032852
half-life and fear are pc first and only get ported later.
>>322033060
lol shit son you serious? its not debatable.
>>322033060
>Too bad tactical shooters started on PC with Delta Force and Counter-Strike, and were cemented as the next "Pop" genre with Battlefield 2.
Too bad tactical shooters really only became shitty with Halo and COD, before then were considered just as fast of a genre as Quake before they had to be dumbed down for the masses
.
Take a bullet and put it between your eyes.
Alright guys lets settle this:
Milsim > 2.5D DooM-like Arena shooters > Tactical shooters > Everything else
>>322033060
>Too bad tactical shooters started on PC with Delta Force and Counter-Strike
>Delta Force
Literally what
>CS
CS is one of the fastest games ever made. It's a game where fractions of a second separate living to getting headshotted.
Now, tell us about how Halo is just as fast, or MW2.
>>322033235
rainbow six isnt fast.
but it has more tactical options than any console "tactical" shooter
>>322033235
>Were considered just as fast of a genre
>Battlefield 2
>Delta Force
>Fast
Wew lad, maybe you should play more than just the mainstream crap /r/gaming and /v/'s 90's nostalgiafags shove down your throat. Maybe then you'd be able to talk without pulling shit out of your ass and making yourself the fool.
>>322033378
>>Delta Force
>Literally what
>>322032557
>>322032151
>mommy
At least you confirmed yourself for a dumb American shitter. Your input is beyond stupid.
>>322033389
>rainbow six isnt fast.
You never fucking played Rainbow Six multplayer, did you? It was just as fast as CS back in the day, cunt.
>>322033564
>GRR I'VE BEEN BTFO SO HARD MY ASS IS ERUPTING IN BLOOD
That's nice, Kiddo. Go tell Mommy that you need her to bandage your asshole back together after getting rekt so hard.
>>322033634
not as fast as quake, which you claimed it to be.
>>322015431
>Why is this even being made?
To show off Unreal 4.
>>322033453
>>Battlefield 2
>Not fast
Stop reading there. Infantry-only maps were just really-big CS maps back in the day.
The more you post the more it proves that you have literally zero fucking clue what you are talking about. LIke you maybe played these games single player and that's the most you've ever touched or looked at those games.
>>322033709
>>322033634
It must be tough being this autistic. Sitting there, angry at the computer, because you misinterpreted and entire thread.
>>322033378
>He's never played Delta Force
>Thinks his opinion on 90s FPS, let alone tactical FPS has any real weight or authority
You are everything that's wrong with this board.
>>322033743
Yes it was.
>Pop from behind corner
>Guy with uzi across the map HS you because of the way recoil worked in that game.
Something I used to do often, because damage was location-based, not that you would know.
>>322018172
Quake 3 was "first person to the railgun wins!"
It was extremely aggressive.
>>322033909
Implying I never played Delta Force.
I was saying he's retarded for saying tactical shooters started from Delta Force. CS was a year old by the time that game was released.
dumb nigger
Does it hurt having to drag your knuckles everywhere?
>>322033969
Knee-jerk reactions isn't how you depict a game as 'fast' you mongoloid.
Quake is fast-paced, unlike Counter-Strike.
>BUT EVERYONE STARTS RUNNING AND BUYS THEIR GUNS IMMEDIATELY AND CAMPS CORNERS TO GET QUICK HEADSHOTS
Because that's meta. Not fast-paced.
>>322028236
>Also I can't stomach watching a video of a guy missing 80% of the time.
As opposed to your arena shooters where a guy spams empty doorways and halls with projectiles with hopes that someone might be there and the commentators jizz themselves the one or two times a game someone actually is.
>>322033884
>Gets calmly shown that he's wrong and that his entire viewpoint on Tact. shooters has been a lie perpetuated by consoles
>YOU'RE JUST AUTISTIC
Yeah, I figured as much from the shitters on /v/. Probably too young to even remember a quarter of the games posted.
Shithead.
>>322033969
if we use "how fast you die" to determine the speed of a game then quake is slow as fuck. tatical shooter just last longer because they are team based.
>tfw pic related is more realistic than most tactical shooters, despite being a bootleg quake 3 game.
>>322034076
Delta Force was 1998, CS was 1999.
>>322034189
>Shithead.
poobrain xd
>>322034128
>Knee-jerk reactions isn't how you depict a game as 'fast' you mongoloid.
LEL EL ELE LE LELELELELELLELEL
>OH NO I'M WRONG
>MOVE THOSE GOALPOSTS, FELLAS
Reactions were exactly what made it fact, tard. Because damage was location based, and because you moved too slowly to run away; it made it an extremely fast-paced game where you had to commit to every decision you made.
Once again, you've never fucking played R6 multuiplayer. I can tell. You didn't even know damage was location based a second ago.
Maybe before you threadshit, you should get a fucking clue, shit-for-brains retard.
>>322034354
How the fuck does someone try this hard, can I screencap your posts? Please?
>>322034271
>CS was 1999
>I don't know CS was a mod
>I'm listening to Wikipedia written by other people who don't know of it's Project CS days
That's great, really shows the whole world that you have zero-fucking-clue what you're saying.
>>322033841
It was nothing like CS you fucking mongoloid holy fuck.
>>322034076
>CS was a year old by the time that game was released.
Got that backwards. CS was RELEASED in 1999, and was first playable in late 1998 when it was in development as a tactical mod for Half-Life, just a few months before Delta Force was actually finished and released.
Delta Force development started pre-1995 and was released fully in 1998 at the end of September.
Dumb kike.
ITT: Butthurt tacticool CS:GO player who was deranked after the recent patch
>>322034216
never played that but urban terror was the shit
pretty good mashup of quake 3 and cs
>>322034436
To what? Prove to the whole world that you're a shitter?
A dumb shitter that never played the games he's commenting on and instead makes wild suppositions based on them?
Go ahead, Let future generations know your stupidity. Be sure to include an archive link so everyone can laugh at your retardation.
>>322030845
>Anonymous 12 year old admitting he likes to suck men dry
Comedy gold.
>>322034529
>THERE WERE PLAYABLE VERSIONS BEFORE DS CAME OUT BUT YOU'RE WRONG ANYWAY SOMEHOW
That's great. Be sure to include this in your screenshot compilation of your failure.
>>322024023
If you think it's piss easy then lef's 1v1 and I will show you how "piss easy" it is. Add me on the epic launcher or on steam, my username is Razed on both of them and I will play with/against ANYONE.
If any of you need someone to practice with in UT4 then feel free to add me. I've been playing the UT games since 2000 and always come in 1st or 2nd in my matches. I'm not the best player out there but I am up there. There are many great players I have come across that I respect.
>>322034504
Yeah, a mod for Half Life. Which released 5 weeks after Delta Force launched, and CS development didn't start immediately either.
Dumbass holy fuck, stop trying to pretend you know anything.
>>322034723
>thinks only one individual in this thread sees him as a complete retard
le mommy shit fer breins
The mod for counter-strike was still created after Delta Force you silly cluck.
>>322034793
>Yeah, a mod for Half Life. Which released 5 weeks after Delta Force launched
LEL FUCKING IDIOT IT RELEASED BEFORE! It was a publicly available mod long before that, months before even.
Does it feel good to be so stupid?
>>322015431
>Ubi getting desparate with Siege's market under-performance and starts hiring shitposters
>>322034949
Send help
Some people still enjoy arena shooters. Some people like tactical shooters. UT4 is being developed for people who like arena shooters. Tactical shooter players may or may not pick it up, and may or may not have fun with it. Arena shooter fans will probably have fun with it.
What is this thread for?
>>322034862
You're fucking wrong, DS released several months after CS had its public alpha.
Again, you're too new and stupid to know any better because you're a fucking underaged retard. It's no surprise! Be sure to include that in your compilation as well which will age on your hard drive due to your fear of posting your failure to the whole world.
Remember to include the archive link.
>>322034723
read >>322034793
CS is quite a bit younger than Delta Force, and only finally was finished in 2000. It's first available download was in 1999 you fucking retard. You'd know that if you actually played the fucking game back then, instead you are just copy pasting wikipedia articles.
>>322034945
Evidence or shut the fuck up. I'll wait for you to try and fabricate some shit.
If you want I can shoot Minh an email for ya.
>>322035009
Looks like braindead shit by a player who'd get stomped by my fnatic jersey
btw i'm >>322034945
>>322035009
>BUH BUH TACTICAL SHOOTERS ARE BETTER AND MORE STARTEGFIC
This thread will go down in history as proof that /v/ has zero tastes at all.
>>322035095
>After CS had it's public alpha
>A mod for a game that didn't even exist had it's public alpha months before that game was even released
Are you fucking high?
>>322015431
im not a big fan of arena shooters, but I recognize why they are so popular. I just tend to like realistic shooters more often.
>>322035163
Little kid gets buttblasted and has to resort to impersonating way smarter posters because his shitty argument has fallen to pieces under scrutiny. News at 11
>>322035202
I think it's proof that MS and Ubisoft keep thinking hiring these viral marketing faggots will actually boost sales to their failed shooter franchises
>>322035346
Disregard this post, I'm posting on two separate IPs I also suck dicks.
>>322035285
Yes, that's how alphas work, you release the alpha as a means of bugtesting the game. Then you release it 'proper'.
Most mods do this. TF did this.
I'm sorry you're so new that you don't know this.
>>322035343
>why they are so popular
*were
>>322035163
>stomped by my fnatic jersey
?
>>322035440
Do you even have an argument anymore? the last one you had was about how SUPERIOR AND BETTER tactical shooters were, and then were promptly shitting blood when people pointed out that modern tactical shooters have been dumbed down pieces of shit for consoles.
What is your strategy now, Sir?
>>322035457
A mod for Half-Life 1 was in its public alpha before Half-Life 1 was released.
>but I recognize why they are so popular.
I'd go ahead and say legitimately 5-7% of players have actually ever touched one.
>>322035627
Was meant to quote >>322035343 for that last part.
>>322035560
Arena shooters are popular for the same reason Dark Souls is so popular
Casuals think they are einstein incarnate by playing it because le hardcore game when in reality it is pretty simple to learn.
>>322035627
>I'd go ahead and say legitimately 5-7% of players have actually ever touched one.
More than that, because most of them are normalfags who have never left the sweet touch of their fucking consoles.
>>322035593 (You)
idk
>>322035457
You fucking retard, gldsrc wasn't available before Half-Life, which released AFTER Delta Force.
So how did Minh Le make a gldsrc mod MONTHS before it was even available to the public?
He fucking didn't. Feel free to provide any evidence besides throwing around "Alpha" like it means anything.
First release was Beta 1 which was in 1999. You'd know this if you actually played it back then because it was pretty fucking huge news when it came out.
>>322027709
>Higher TTK = higher requirement for maintaining accuracy whilst also making yourself hard to hit = higher skill
>You will always be pleb if you play hardcore mode
Not only this but it removes the minimap and shit so not being silent (like using supressors) isn't punished as hard.
It really isn't "hardcore" at all.
>People haven't played Delta Force
Are you guys retarded? Delta Force was a military sim for its era. Not a fucking tactical shooter.
all shooters are casual desu
video game version of "peek a boo"
>>322035949
Delta force was incredibly fun, but I haven't played it recently, I'm sure it aged like fucking milk.
>>322035883
I did 'play it back then' shithead, does it feel good being so stupid?
>So how did Minh Le make a gldsrc mod MONTHS before it was even available to the public?
Because you're lying about the timeframe of its release. As usual.
>>322015431
try torquing your hand to the angle his is torqued to
Why does one type of shooter have to be superior to another? Why does this have to be the way /v/ discusses things, by trying to put other things down because they're not your cup of tea? Couldn't we just talk about arena shooters in one thread and tactical shooters in another thread?
>>322036074
I miss Novalogic.
>>322036074
>>322035949
Rainbow Six was the same way, but don't expect the little kids in this thread to understand that and instead sway "BUT BUT TACTICAL SHOOTERS WERE ALWAYS AROUND RAINBOW SIX THOUGH"
>>322035949
No shit people haven't played it. Land Warrior and Black Hawk Down were as good as Novalogic got, then they crashed and burned. Hard.
Not even a single percent of people on /v/ have heard about Delta Force, it's that old and niche.
>>322036206
Shit, do you know where I can find Spearhead? That Tank game they made?
I've been looking for ages, and something is wrong with my Comanche-3 disc. It keeps giving me some kind of error.
Help, I want to play C-3 and Spearhead again.
if arena shooters aren't shit why are they dead?
>>322036118
I'm the one lying?
Here let's run you through this again.
>Delta Force released September 30th, 1998
>Half-Life released November 8th, 1998
>CS Beta 1 the first release was June 19th, 1999
According to you, there was a secret CS alpha MONTHS before Delta-Force as you said here: >>322035095
And I quote:
>You're fucking wrong, DS released several months after CS had its public alpha.
So feel free to provide evidence why I'm wrong, otherwise, man.
>>322036370
No clue. I'd imagine you need to use a virtual machine though.
>>322036128
That's why he's in the picture and you aren't anon.
>>322028393
Bro, I love tactical shooters and I love iron sights.
They slow a first person shooter down immensely. Stop. You either know this or you're a shitposter.
Compared to games that don't use iron sights, the mechanic is fucking worse. But I can't imagine Red Orchestra 2 without them.
>>322036295
Fuck, don't even say that. They had good releases after that.
They were still good. C4 is a great game.
It's just their publishers were fucking hackjobs. Novalogic would still be a great studio if they could have survived the PS2 era.
>>322036370
On their website store.
https://www.novaworld2.com/index.php?idtag=4d3a39bf2ef88&do=/public/store/catalog/
You can buy all their games for $70 buckaroos. I'm sure they'd appreciate it, maybe Angel Falls will come back from the dead.
>>322036370
>Help, I want to play C-3 and Spearhead again.
This made me feel sad.
>>322036410
The market wasn't in it. The playerbase also made them really inaccessible. Games like CoD and Battlefield are designed so that death wasn't much of a big deal, but killing makes you feel like a god. People like that. Arena shooters had none of it.
Think about it. Someone dies to an airstrike in CoD, they don't care. That same someone uses an airstrike and gets 5 kills. They holla. They buy the next game.
Someone gets fucking memed by a bhopper in Quake 3, they get salty and quit
>>322036238
i dont get your point because UT2000 and quake aged like milk too.
Doesn't negaate the fact they existed in the time.
>>322029516
that black guy is just fucking dancing and fuck boi knocks him out he should be arrested
>>322026738
What the fuck are you talking about, holy shit
>OP made this thread just so he coul;d samefag a 1v1 match and shit on it
I bet he is mad that ID dropped quake so long ago
>>322030209
shit nigga this is my new pasta
>>322016128
>>322015431
>>322027716
Yeh boi, u ern dat cheez
Xbox4Life™
>>322026964
but if it's an advantage why not take every advantage no matter how minute? I'M HERE TO WIN AT ANY MEANS NECESSARY
-actual tourneyfags
>>322036705
>UT2000 and quake aged like milk too.
Get fucked, lad. I can boot UT2K and Quake whenever I want and get right into it. They hold up visually. The latter with a sourceport at least.
Stuff like Delta Force 2 on the other hand are just insanely corroded and pixelated to the point you need to evacuate.
>>322036624
>Their publishers were fucking hackjobs
Not even that. They always self-published. They were the original Indie studio pumping out AAA games. FFS they revolutionized terrain rendering with voxels when they launched DF.
But for some reason or another, they never made a new engine after they facelifted the first one. Then they slowly dwindled down until DF Xtreme 2 which sold abysmally and came out the same year as MW2. Then they finally decided it was time to make a new engine and started work on Angel Falls.
And then they were never heard from again.
>>322036641
They have a website store
AND IT WORKS?
Please tell me I'm not giving my money away to russians.
>>322022329
If their the apex genre then why did they die out? I'll tell you why.
The barrier to entry was to high. Being needlessly complicated and difficult only turns players off of the game, it's why dorf fortress isn't as popular as it should be despite how deep it is.
>>322036997
>They hold up visually
No they really don't. They look like ass and you are deluding yourself with rose tinted goggles if you believe otherwise.
>>322037031
You aren't, I bought the bundle a while ago, everything is solid.
>>322036705
Don't be an idiot. Delta Force and Rainbow Six arent the kind of games the kiddes are spinning as 'tacticool games'.
That's why half of this thread is wrong. They were military sims in an era where Tactical games weren't what they are today.
>>322036641
>Everything Pack
>no Comanche 3
>>322026738
>"good graphical details distract my eyes"
But this is true. I can't even play most 'juicy' indie games thanks to the visual flare most effects give off. Completely throws me off.
>>322037238
Next you're going to tell me DOOM looks like ass, right?
>>322028393
20% movement speed is pretty much the same as fullstop
Arena shooters are awesome, will always be awesome, even if the Halo/CoD/Battlefield games have overtaken them as the primarily played shooters.
Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena actually had awesome arena multiplayer.
Also, Doom Alpha was sick as fuck, game will be a revival for the genre.
>>322028072
>Hating on character action
Christ I hate shitposters
>>322027751
>The genre died because the vast majority of people don't want to play something that actually has a high skill ceiling resulting in good players shitting on bad players consistently.
And there's your problem. Quake is bad because it's to deep for it's own good.
>>322036996
Denying others advantage is an advantage
>>322037587
>Also, Doom Alpha was sick as fuck
COMMENCING OBLIGATORY DUMP OF SHIT DOOM ALPHA
>>322037587
>Doom Alpha was sick as fuck
My entire experience was ruined by the ridiculous amounts of health kits available. Trivialized any one-on-one encounter.
>>322037185
Arena shooters weren't complicated, their skill ceiling was too high.
Dwarf Fortress isn't popular, not because it is complex, but because the time investment to get anything worthwhile out of it is beyond a reasonable amount. So people who can't fuck around on their computer during office hours/at home for a few weeks at a time never can get into it, making the word of mouth essentially useless.
That's why X-COM, a similarly complex game (if you occlude DF's cutting edge AI), is much more mainstream. You don't need to put in months to get a nugget of satisfaction from it.
SS13 is in the same boat as DF.
>>322037401
Sprites age better than models. 2.5D > 3D
DooM holds up because having billboarding sprites gives it retro cred. Early 3D games have spiny humanoids with flat pictures pasted on their vertices, which is horribly ugly to anybody not wearing nostalgia goggles. Maybe if it were totally rasterized polygons, like Apache or Carrier Command. Those two are 3D games that aged like DooM, wherein they don't look GREAT but they are simple enough that your imagination fills in the gaps.
>>322037829
It's bretty fuggin epic how there just so happens to be no PC alpha .webms, huh?
>>322037840
mods will fix it :^)
>>322016128
shock riffle is the best weapon in any fps
prove me wrong it's awesome balanced and requires skill
>>322037829
Generic as fuck. You could have told me this was the new UT and I would have believed you.
What a time to live in when the clone of the DooM-clone looks more legit.
>>322037947
REMEMBER
HALO ON PC IS STILL SLOW AS SHIT
PC DOESNT MAGICALLY FIX ARENA SHOOTERS
