What JRPG has the best TURN BASED COMBAT? Is it pic related? Is it something else? What's the most fun TURN BASED game you've ever played? What TURN BASED COMBAT has the most depth?
>>321961269
>chrono trigger is the best jrpg meme
get out
I liked how Chrono Trigger had combat that's right there, not "touch enemy, flash into battle stage". Also how you can do team attacks.
But I really like Dragon Quest.
Undertale.
>>321961397
posted chrono trigger for
The Attention.
>>321961269
i thought paper mario's turn based shit was fun
RPGs with TIMED HITS.
>>321961269
FFX-2
>most depth
>a whole new dimensionFFXII
or VP, cause you could counter and shit
FFX
>>321961761
GUST OF WIND DANCE
>>321961269
Super Mario RPG.
Timed hits are the shits.
Grandia hands down, even if it's not completely turn based. I have no idea why devs didn't copy from it, it's so good.
>>321961902
Shit story, but I have a hard-on for that battle system.
Xenogears
>>321961269
Dragon Quest as a series. You can beat things usually in 3-5 different ways. Status Effects/debuffs actually work on most enemies or bosses. Items have multiple uses in battle. Group battle mechanic allows for multiple strategies (single, group or all field attacks). Boomerang is the best weapon in any RPG. Lots of other things.
>>321961269
Chrono Trigger is ATB so it's time based
Mana Khemia.
>>321961269
have you actually played the game? take a bathroom break after you get in an encounter and see what happens when you get back
>>321962929
>not being overleveled to the point of being undefeatable
>>321962929
>playing in wait mode
>>321961269
This game has the best turn based combat system.
Story is awful, though
Wouldn't ff tactics and tactics ogre fit into this conversation?
>>321964480
Probably not, since they're tactical games. If you count those, might as well count Valkyria Chronicles or even Civilization. Both of which have better combat than FFTactics.
>>321961269
in all seriousness Pokémon ?
Chrono Trigger's combat is decidedly mediocre.
Good JRPG combat allows various viable tactics and gives the player a high degree of control over the battle. There shouldn't be too much randomness (e.g. pseudo random turn order partially based on agility is terrible), turn order should be visible, there should be some sort of turn attacks, buffing and status spells should be incorporated, equipment setups should be customization based on the situation, and there's probably a few more important things I forgot to mention. The best JRPG battle system I've found is Growlanser IV, though the game suffers from a lack of difficulty.
If for some reason you really hate the free movement or whatever then look at grandia 2 or mana khemia i guess
>>321964804
Pokemon is a watered down version of Dragon Quest. I'm not trying to hate on Pokemon, just stating a fact. Nearly everything in Pokemon can be found in the DQ games. But with a 4 move limit, set turns and set moves, it just offers less than DQ does.
grandia 3 is by far the best
>>321961397
>everything i disagree with is a meme
wew lad
Either Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne or Digital Devil Saga. It sure as hell isn't anything Square ever made. Their games are passable at best in terms of gameplay.
Bravely Default is pretty good turn based, not sure if best
>>321961269
The combat in Chrono Trigger is certainly not the best, it's fun and it looks great for it's time but it's pretty shallow and requires little to no thinking and doesn't allow any meaningful customization or a good amount of unique strategies/playstyles. It's not bad but it's a bit bland
Grandia II.
>>321961269
>>321967209
What's the bottom right game?
>>321967501
Baten Kaitos
>>321967209
>Xenogears
>Good battle system
Come on, now.
>>321968336
Xenogears doesn't have good anything. Well, maybe the music, and even then it's just good, not great. Easily the most overrated JRPG of all time.
>>321961269
Honestly? Radiant Historia. It combines some minor enemy positioning gimmicks as well as turn-order manipulation to allow for some really crazy combos and strategies.
>>321968423
Mitsuda never seemed to work on anything particularly high profile at Squaresoft aside from the Chrono series. It's a real shame.
>>321968423
>Easily the most overrated JRPG of all time.
Its not known enough to be that overrated. Even Dark Souls has more fans. Let alone any FF game.
FFVII is the most overrated JRPG easily. Even its fans recognize its overrated and has flaws.
>>321969091
It doesn't need to be over-known. It just needs to be generally elevated above its station.
>>321969167
>above its station
Britbong please go.
>>321968423
Gears combo system makes it one of the most innovative. Way better than xcx
>>321969265
It's just screwing around with button presses until you unlock a combo and then spamming it every turn. It's a shallow substitution for an actual combat system.
The game is basically a visual novel pretending to be a JRPG.
>>321969373
Except theres are actual combos. You don't need to screw around they tell you what they are
>>321969486
And then you mash them every single turn once you've unlocked them.
>>321969373
All action games and fighting games spam combos
>>321969554
Don't act dumb.
>ATB games are turn-based
>>321961761
Pretty much this.
Lufia 2 has a pretty fun combat system w/o timed hits with the classic cross-shaped interface and the IP rage meter.
>>321969602
Great response after getting told
>>321969685
ATB games are turn based, yes.
>>321969787
No they objectively aren't
ATB is a time based system
>>321969486
Too bad they're just a series of gradually more powerful physical attacks that you never really have a reason to vary up their use in battle. Also, the Ether system had hardly any uses aside from healing and the Gear combat sucked ass.
>>321969994
Ever seen two characters attack at the same time in FFVII?
>>321970098
You do know that the entire fucking system is time based right?
ATB, literally means ACTIVE TIME BATTLE
Time progresses, you can literally fucking die just from standing idle, it is not fucking turn based
>>321970150
You are free to believe that that prevents it from being turn based if you wish.
In Chess games with time limits on turns, is it no longer turn based?
>>321970098
Ever stand still in an ATB game and had the enemies wait for you to attack them?
>>321970098
Don't argue with FFXV-kun. He's an autistic loser.
>>321970217
>you took too long to move, so I advanced my pawn to the other end of the board!
>King me!
>>321970217
>This same autistic fucking argument about timed Chess
TIMED CHESS IS NOTHING LIKE ATB YOU STUPID FUCKING CUNT
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
TIMED CHESS IS A COUNT DOWN, YOU ARE STILL FORCED TO ACT ONCE THE COUNTDOWN HAPPENS, IT IS STILL TURN BASED
ATB IS A TIME BASED SYSTEM PROGRESSING PURELY ON TIME, ENEMIES ARE CONSTANTLY ATTACKING YOU OVER AND OVER AGAIN EVEN IF YOU STAND IDLE DOING NOTHING BECAUSE TIME IS PROGRESSING, YOU CAN ONLY INPUT COMMANDS AGAIN BASED ON TIME PROGRESSION
ATB IS NOT FUCKING TURN BASED, IT IS TIME BASED
>>321970243
Yeah, because they were waiting for a bar to fill up before they could get a turn.
>>321970308
>Hurr only le xvkun says atb isn't turn based
Nigger literally everyone knowns ATB is not turn based, only retarded underage cunts think ATB is turn based because it had a fucking menu
>>321970341
Oh so KHBBS is turn based because you have a commands with a bar that fill up before you can use them therefore take turns?
>>321970308
Except ATB is time based.
>>321970326
>>321970425
go away FFXV-kun you sad freak
Final Fantasy X. Not only the best of the series but the best of the whole genre excluding strategy games such as FFTactics and Fire Emblem.
>>321970341
Cooldowns are not turns. If they were, then Risk of Rain would be a turn-based game.
>>321970326
Final Fantasy fans are so cute. You obsess over some of the most entry level, pedestrian games in the genre, but think you're elite and too high and mighty for turn based combat, so you convince yourself that the games you like aren't really turn based at all.
ATB is just turn-based without any of the benefits. The lack of time generally results in an easier game to compensate for the lack of time, or in other cases you're forced to sit there waiting for a turn when you'd rather just get it over with.
>>321970502
>hurr le xvcoonboogeyman meme
Nice desperate attempt to backpedal out of the argument when you realize have no valid argument, fucking faggot just kill yourself already, every fucking thread it's the same fucking shit with you
>>321970579
FFXV-kun, go away.
>>321967209
>he named the zaoist monk homie
>left the Russian Chicks name untouched
>>321970308
>>321970502
>>321970562
>>321970637
At least try to contribute to the discussion, friend.
>>321970562
No one thinks that first pile of bullshit you spewed you stupid faggot
It is an outright fact that ATB is not turn based, ATB is a pure time based system, TIME progresses in battles and enemies attack continuously even if you stand idle, you input commands based on a TIME bar that fills up over TIME, again you can literally fucking die just from standing idle doing nothing
ATB is not turn based at all, you input commands from a menu based on time, it has nothing to do with turns.
Faggots like you are beyond pathetic because you actually act like you know what you are talking about yet you are the most clueless fucking cunts in existence.
>>321970637
Shitcunt-Kun kill yourself already.
>>321970783
Stay ignorant FF fag
>>321970637
I don't understand why FFXV-kun is so obsessed over defending ATB as not being turn based. He's shilling for a full-on acton-RPG 24/7. Shouldn't he be attacking ATB to justify FFXV's design?
>>321970516
Until Trails in the Sky came along and perfected it.
>>321961269
>Turn based combat
>ever being good combat
>>321970931
He's legit retarded anon.
>>321970934
>can't mover and attack at the same time
Close but no cigar
>>321970931
Except ATB is not turn based, the fucking creators of ATB themselves don't consider it turn based either
ATB is time based, it is why it's called fucking ACTIVE TIME BATTLE you dense fucking faggot
>>321970994
Says the underage shitcunt who actually thinks ATB is turn based, kill yourself Shitcunt-kun.
>>321971023
Go away FFXV-kun
>>321971081
Fuck off Memecunt, you know everything I say is fact yet you are in denial.
>>321970994
>Samefagging to rile someone up
Have you no shame?
This is pretty good if we are only talking about the combat system.
