Why didn't /v/ tell me how good this game is
Because /v/ ain't your daddy.
We did tho
![kino_no_tabi_00[h264.vorbis][niizk].mkv_snapshot_11.02_[2015.01.20_04.46.32].png](https://i.imgur.com/8831KM5.png "kino_no_tabi_00[h264.vorbis][niizk].mkv_snapshot_11.02_[2015.01.20_04.46.32].png")
>>321926087
is it, though??
It's the same spreadsheet simulator shit from every single EO game. It's just a chore.
Why do you exactly consider this good?
'Cause I didn't like it.
OST is top tier though.
It's great. I loved it.
Off topic but, can someone tell me if Super pokemon mystery dungeon is good? Never really played the series before...
>>321926545
It's got an actual story and characters you can enjoy. Well, if you aren't some faggy SMT elitist.
>>321926781
Characters in PQ are flanderized to the point of mostly being unlikable.
>>321926545
Spreadsheet simulator? Like the skill tree? Or are you talking about the mapmaking?
There is no skill tree in PQ, and the battle system is hilariously dumbed down from EOs. The maps aren't even important in PQ. I didn't even do the first floor's map. You obviously haven't played PQ.
because it is actually trash
>>321926781
But the plot is almost nonexistent until the final dungeon and basically every character is reduced to a one-note joke that gets repeated over and over and over and overand over and over and over and over and YES I FUCKING GET IT REI LIKES FOOD JUST SHUT UP
That's half the reason I couldn't enjoy the game. The other half being the braindead battles because status effects and Naoto trivialize everything forever.
>>321926087
because I haven't played it and don't have a working 3DS to do so
I know there's that "Citra" emulator for the 3DS and it posted screenshots that it can run Persona Q, but where would I find the ROM?
>>321926885
Don't talk shit about my waifus.
>>321926781
The story is literal 'but it was all a dream' non-canon shit.
Characters have no building. All their (as little as it was) progression was already established by the end of P3 and P4. You're better off watching the anime at that point. They couldn't even bother with the right VAs.
Was the dialogue you could see in an anime or read in manga form really worth the 50+ hours spending on slow paced 'crawling' and slow-paced battles?
>>321927001
>Spreadsheet simulator?
The game literally has less depth than board games like DnD.
>>321926662
It's amazing, just don't do the Salamence quest at the beginning of the game unless you want the game to be easy as fuck.
Mostly because Persona threads are for waifu worship.
Chie is cute!
>>321927172
>if you aren't some faggy SMT elitist
>>321926662
If you're a kid mentally I'm sure you'll enjoy what little depth the Mystery Dungeon series has to offer. It's neither real-time, multiplayer or skill-shot reliant so you don't have to worry about challenging yourself with memorable experiences.
The story is always the same. The music is low budget midi (which isn't even bad). And the gameplay is just shovelware in all honesty.
But play for yourself. You're allowed to like bad things after all
>>321927279
A CUTE!
>>321927316
Yes, that's a nice no-true scotsman strawman you cooked up there. It's not substitute for an argument though.
>>321927172
DnD isn't a board game. It's also hilariously complex. Coming from someone who's played since AD&D 2. (3.5 was already out, but started here)
It still doesn't address the "Spreadsheet Simulator" argument. There are no spreadsheet type skill allocators like in EO that you need to use on the higher difficulties. Shit, I like PQ, and I like all the EOs except fucking 1 and 1:U, but PQ is nothing like EO except the basic premise of the battle system and the dungeon crawling. All the sub-dermal systems and functions are almost non-existent.
>>321927279
>>321927460
Meat loving slut.
I liked it, but I felt like physical was just way more sustainable than magic and some characters got the shaft for that fact.
>>321927391
funny to read these things in a persona q thread
>>321927279
Game chie Absolute shit
Anime chie God tier
>>321927512
>you're incorrect for not debunking my strawman
Ok
If you like the Persona games it is ok. Has a great Ost and has pretty fun gameplay if you like the EO games.
>>321927523
DELETE THIS.
>>321927535
That's because the battle balance was fucked.
Magic is only useful for Hama/Mudo spells and healing after the first dungeon or so.
>>321927608
I just saw the post on the frontpage.
>>321927642
>Calling out a fallacy is now a strawman. Even if you post information stating that the fallacy is wrong.
What?
>>321927535
There's a chart about it, isn't naoto op due to her hama and mudo skills or something like that?
>>321927608
>>321927763
to add to that, I know tons of dungeon crawlers that are real-time, multiplayer, skillshot, etc.
I don't know that many persona-like games with those features. Not that I want those features.
>>321927659
>>321927535
Look at the chart and see how garbage magic was. It just wasn't good and they could have balanced it better. Also they gave out really stupid unique skills to some people making them bad.
>>321927659
Aigis was broken.
If you had her is your party no one could die and she was like a unkillable wall that took every hit for you. She also had good damage that just added onto how powerful she was. Her and Junpei were just not balanced.
>>321928205
I'd still fug her...
>people think this game has a good ost
please just kill yourself. I cant do this anymore.
>>321926885
Aigis is still perfect
>>321928613
She was one of the only characters that didn't shit on and have their personality upped 100 fold.
>>321927614
>Anime chie God tier
>not shadow Chie
>>321926087
Use mudo, the game.
>>321928794
Well it's at the point in the story where she's still mostly robot. You can't overdo her personality because she doesn't really have one yet.
>dull dungeon design
>puzzles are simplistic logic puzzles
>hilariously bad character and skill balance
>physical dominates magic that isn't Hama/Mudo
>Hama/Mudo obliterate all enemies thanks to being TOO effective
>half the characters reduced to single, exaggerated personality traits
>recycled jokes focused on their shittier personalities
>very minimal Shadow variety
>generic FOE patterns and few traps
>very little actual cast interaction for a crossover
>the few character development sprinkled in is made pointless since it ends with a memory wipe for nearly everyone
>new main characters are an obnoxious girl whose personality is literally "FOOD" until the game decides to shove a tragic backstory down her throat in the shape of a corn dog and another deity taking human form
>music blares over certain scenes, voices all over the place in terms of audio quality
The only good thing about it was the amount of map customization options available.
>>321928964
Ya, but at least they made her sort of funny.
>>321928979
About half of those features aren't even a thing in normal EO games.
Take that as you will
>>321928613
She always will be
>Bring Naoto to Hama/Mudo every trash mob
>Bring to Aigis be some sort of god tank
>Bring Junpei because he does the most damage in the game and has crazy link damage
>Bring P3MC because he is the best debuffer in the game
>Bring Yu becuase he is good at everything
These five characters were so unbalanced it hurt. There was almost no point to using other characters.
>>321927659
>No Fuuka.
FUCKING DROPPED
>>321929740
What is she going to do ?
Kill the enemies with her terrible VA ?
>>321926087
>Good
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Also Myriad Arrows + Agility Bind + Power Charge + Shura Tensei absolutely broke the game combined with Aegis' super god tanking ability.
>>321929667
Both MCs, Naoto and 2 physical attackers is pretty much the go-to party for the game that can get anyone through the game.
>>321929740
Fuuka is support/navi like Rise.
She's also inferior since all she does is recover HP and get Oracle while Rise allows party members to move first, make skills cost nothing, and nullifies all damage.Wendee Lee Fuuka is fucking shit.
>>321930543
>navi Nanako
They knew how to get me to spend money.
>>321930543
Q Fuuka is the cutest Fuuka though
>>321930743
I usedMarie
>>321930820
That's not hard considering her P3 portrait is fucking ugly
>>321927943
Are you fucking insane? Magic is still pretty fucking good and useful, what are you talking about? Have you even played the damn game?
>Tfw went through the entire Evil Spirit Club walking backwards
It's scary as fuck. I just couldn't do it otherwise.The part where the doll begins going through the door scared the shit out of me
>>321931239
i don't get why that's only the third dungeon. It's both the hardest one and the most atmospheric.
>>321931218
I mean if you mean mudo and buffs/debuffs ya, but if you mean actually as a stat then I laugh at you.
>>321931239
>Evil Spirit Club
>Scary
>When you could bulldoze every FOE in there and their mothers
>>321929247
superior webm
>>321931239
>scary
>goofy babies and dolls
>literally everything is weak to Hama and Mudo
>RITE ZA FAIYAH UP INDUH NAUGHT every couple of steps
why does every persona thread have to devolve into this waifu bullshit. Jesus fucking christ arent you neets bored of this drivel yet? Banging your head against a wall would be more productive. My shit is more intelligent that you fucks. Please just commit mass suicide in the name of your waifus so the human race as a whole can be freed from this monotony,
>>321927172
>The story is literal 'but it was all a dream' non-canon shit
it's canon, everyone just lost their memories of it
so even though it happened it will almost certainly never be relevant again
>>321931613
I don't know man, those assholes who ambush you then cast Wind Corrosion followed up by Magaru are pretty scary
>>321931478
Your post actually does not make any sense, are you talking about the Stat? Because it did increase the damage of magic attacks or are you talking about the actual attacks? Because they would stop being all that useful if your level was 4-5 levels above your subpersona
>>321926087
It's the easiest EO game, but I still enjoyed it.
I still need to do the P4 side of things so I can get that last request.
>>321931672
>why does every persona thread have to devolve into this waifu bullshit
Because that is literally a selling point of those games and if you can't see that you are infinitely dumber than the people you claim you are smarter than
>>321931702
>it's canon, everyone just lost their memories of it
That's the exact same shit.
I couldn't stand it, it's just so fucking slow.
>>321931486
Getting ambushed by wind corrosion + magarula is fucking bullshit but walking into a fight and seeing those witches, especially two of them, is a massive 'oh god no' moment unless you're an escape fag.The babies were easy as fuck but the doll hunting you down while you know it can spam the shit out of all-party-mudo was terrifying. It's also a pain in the ass to hit and if you slip up it'll Diarahan. Also sneaky in that it's weak to Hama but unless you google it you're unlikely to try it because it's cut weakness is 'good enough.'The dolls are also scary the first few times unless you overleveled like a faggot on Pringle King in Group Date
>>321931905
>The dolls are also scary if you're a dumb ass who walked in with only MC and Shinjiro without equipment or subs
FTFY
>>321931760
Magic attacks in general were garbage. It was so unbalanced towards physical. physical was just better in everyway.
>>321931853
By that logic Innocent Sin didn't happen
>>321932034
>Shinkuuha
>>321931905
>See enemies
>Go through the motions of Aki using Shura Tensei Power Charge Myriad Arrows + Naoto using Salome's Kiss + Aigis using Life Wall just in case
>Free EXP
>Repeat
>>321932084
does it matter if PQs story doesn't even attempt to be eventful?
>>321931905
>Spirit Club is scary if you have shit Personas/skills or didn't choose a single short-haired gamebreaker
>>321926087
I did. On several occasions.
>>321927093
Rei is obsessed with food because food is necessary for life. It's super deep, in retrospect.
>>321932629
why were you purposely wrong. on several occasions.
I like the music form the game and it's just a really easy game to beat if you have good sub-Personas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKgyGADjqDc
>>321932401
>>321932254
Looks like I was wrong about Evil Spirit Club being scary. You guys are hardcore strategisers.
>>321932254
>Give Aigis highest Str and End in the game
>Giving her free tanking abilities to make her unkillable
>Give her ability so she can take hits for teammates
>Give her good attacking abilities
>Still give her Orgia mode
What the flying fuck were they thinking when they were handing out abilities to Aigis ?
>>321927093
>>321932731
Rei's obsessed with food to play off the new retarded Chie, Teddie, and Akihiko.
>>321932731
Yeah but we didn't need THREE (3) characters obsessed with food.
>>321932909
They wanted to clang clang with her
>>321927460
Agreed. She's wonderful.
![kino_no_tabi_03[h264.vorbis][niizk].mkv_snapshot_06.14_[2015.12.22_01.49.30].png](https://i.imgur.com/ZF6b93E.png "kino_no_tabi_03[h264.vorbis][niizk].mkv_snapshot_06.14_[2015.12.22_01.49.30].png")
>>321926545
Hey I am watching Kino too
Got the same torrent
Persona 4 holds my record of best boss theme in any game ever
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fV7DahJVudI
I wish it showed up again in Persona Q
>>321933649
Best Friend and Battle in the Clock Tower are pretty up there too anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FinOnBkPvA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5IftkVs6ro
>>321933649
>the almighty
>final boss theme
Anon, are you sure you've totally beaten P4?
>>321933649
You should play more games
>>321933870
Ignore me, I seen "final" in the Youtube name, and thought you had said it.
Whoops.
>>321933870
I said BOSS THEME, not final boss.
Besides, The Genesis has one shitty ass loop
Mist is pretty good though
>>321933538
I gave up halfway through the anime.
I'd already read the books, (1 and 2 anyway, none of the others are translated AFAIK) so there was nothing new for me.
Can we just be thankful that kanji was unmolested and was as always a solid character?
>>321934404
>1 and 2 anyway, none of the others are translated AFAIK
>Only 1 and 2 are translated
Try 1-10, 11 (?), and 12
>>321934535
>unmolested
>beginning of Wonderland
>the entirety of Inaba Pride
>>321934539
I read Danish mini-versions, each containing quite a few short stories.
I'm pretty sure the 10 books you're referring to were all covered in the two I read.
(I'd still like a source so I can verify, I'd pay good money for a third book. These were great.)
>>321935356
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Kino_no_Tabi
>>321931702
Niko was a sick girl in hospital wanting to go to school
Labrys is made from the memories of a sick girl in a hospital that wanted to go to school
I WONDER.
>>321935619
POTTERY
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>>321935416
>Ongoing
I thought it was finished ages ago!
Oh man, I have so much catching up to do! All these new countries to read about! Maybe I'll finally find a more impactful story than the one about the country with majority rule.
Thanks a bunch, Anon! Made my day!
>>321935619
>Labrys is said to have her "mother's" voice
>Rei lived in Inaba
>didn't live long enough to have a significant accent change
nah
>>321936195
Make sure you don't forget about the magical girl spin-off which is also pretty alright.
>>321926087
Is this a good place to start in the persona series if I don't own any Sony systems?
Why does PQ Shinji look so good?
>>321936302
>Is this a good place to start in the persona series
No. The entire point of PQ is to be fanservice for fans of P3 and P4.
>>321936302
no
persona 1 PSP or persona 3 FES is what you should start with. if you can't emulate persona 3 FES, you should at least be able to emulate P1P, because PPSSPP runs on anything
alternatively buy a cheap vita TV and you can play the best versions of P1, P2 and P4
no matter what you do, don't play persona 3 portable before another version of P3
don't dismiss emulation unless you have tried and failed to run the games
![kino_no_tabi_02[h264.vorbis][niizk].mkv_snapshot_17.42_[2015.01.18_16.26.00].png](https://i.imgur.com/pk8pJBp.png "kino_no_tabi_02[h264.vorbis][niizk].mkv_snapshot_17.42_[2015.01.18_16.26.00].png")
>>321933538
Kino is cute. CUTE
>>321929740
Rise is better on support, and her constant "Squeee! Senpai, that was amazing!" after every battle makes my dick hard.
>>321936302
You have to start with Persona 3 or 4 to get into modern persona. 1&2 are pretty much discarded and you're better off getting SMT Soul Hackers if you like that gameplay.
Persona 3 Portable and Persona 4 Golden are the latest games and the events in those are considered the canon ones, with Atlus even splicing in the animated cut scenes from FES inbetween footage of portable when showing off the story.
You get a taste of the characters in Persona Q, but both of them are pulled out of time are right before major plot points happen. It's more fan service for fans than anything.
If you own no Sony systems to play the game on, just watch the anime, although the final part of 3 isn't out until next year.
>>321929667
I had Kanji instead of Junpei, and Yukiko instead of MC, and even though Yukiko was terrible in general, and Naoto was terrible in boss fights, the game was still piss easy.
>>321931672
>Jesus fucking christ arent you neets bored of this drivel yet?
If you get tired of your waifu, then you made a poor choice in waifus.
>>321935619
Shiiiiiet
>>321936198
Oh. Never mind.
>>321939169
That chart is neat. I'd love to see a worldwide version.
>>321939169
>If you own no Sony systems to play the game on, just watch the anime
Come on, he can emulate the games. Watching the anime should be done after playing the games.
>>321927717
how to win in PQ:
>Heat Riser
>Debilitate
>Shura Tensei
>Myriad Arrows
>>321940616
forgotorgia mode
>>321940616
Add Power Charge, Mind's Eye, Healing Harp, and Salome's Kiss/Panic Circle
Fuck this thread reminded me I still have to finish this game. I've reached the final dungeon but I can't bring myself to continue playing especially after learning there's multi-floor puzzles and shit. I just can't.
Last time I touched it was in January and I don't feel compelled at all to return to it which is rare for me.
>>321941379
It's not that hard, you figure most of it out by just continuing in the map.
But having LIGHT THE FIRE UP IN THE NIGHT every 2 steps is annoying.
>>321939169
>No Persona game has surpassed P1 in life time sales (in Japan atleast).
This will never cease to amaze me.
Post yfw when Trump wins, declares autism not a real mental problem eligible for disability and Persona sales plummet in the west
>>321941682
I'm sure it isn't hard but after playing through most of the game already, the whole dungeon grid exploration mechanic gets really damn tedious. And knowing the final one has 10 fucking floors that require backtracking, my desire to play went out the window.
>>321942180
If it means anything, the first 6 or 7 are small floors and only the last 2 floors need backtracking which really isn't backtracking because they directly lead where you go.
>>321940723
Orgia mode is awful. It doesn't provide nearly enough of a boost to justify her being unavailable for several turns.
>>321942341
Maybe one day anon maybe one day.
>>321942130
I thought he was making waifus real. Which one is it?!
>>321930543
>implying that going first is special
99% of the times you out-speed the enemy
Fuuka is great because she eliminates all need of a healer party member and lets you go full offense
And nullifying all damage only comes in handy in one fight.yeah, Paula Tiso was better
This game sort of just became a minmax simulator for me around the 3rd labyrinth. I enjoyed slapping the double exp bracelet on everyone I intended to use one at a time and farming the 4th labyrinth bonus boss over and over just to see how trivial I could make the final boss, because I certainly wasn't in it for challenge at that stage anymore.
>>321927659
I actually think that Yukiko does healing better than Yukari if you slap an Ag-Lu Reverse on her, turning her into an absolute master of speedhealing. If you need people to be healed RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, Yukiko can do it better than Yukari (since Yukari's Lu isn't as good as Yukiko's and you'll probably have access to a few good healer skill cards).
In that sense, I think that she should be in Good-tier at least. I also like her Unique weapon better than Yukari's, personally, since I like the status it gives better.
>>321927659
>safer leader for Risky
What does this mean?
>>321927659
>Yukari and Yukiko
>mid tier
Who made this was wrong. Either one as a linker and the str-mag swap was OP
>>321926885
Elizabeth is still good
>>321944117
On risky if your MC dies, its gameover. So P4MC can tank hits better than P3MC
>>321943609
It does say "worse healer than Yukari *by default*" implying you can make her better if you put the effort in.
Much as I love Yukiko, any character in Q that relies solely on magic is Mid Tier, at best. Unless that magic is Hamon/Mudoon.
>>321944141
Default linkers overshadow them
Swap is pointless since others come close with default physical and have better accuracy/speed
>>321944141
>they're OP if you give them good subs or completely alter their stats
No shit. Nearly everyone else is better without doing that.
>>321944589
Yeah but with their ultimate skills Mega fire/wind amp plus skill cards they were better linkers. I used the rest physical users as full damage dealers and one teardroper
>>321945158
Even with those they are still mid tier at best.
>>321944309
yes, but you NEED at least one healer, unless you're just using Mediarahan all the time on your non-healers, which drains their SP. Definitely, you're going to want to have Mediarahan, Mediarama, Me Patra, Healing Touch or whatever it is, and a few buffs, but you still NEED those skills, which you probably aren't going to want to have on your non-support/non-healers, so SOMEONE'S gotta have them, and buffs/healing are better on a character than can lay them down before everyone attacks like Yukiko, who does her job very well.
Even so, if you really don't want to go that route with the Ag-Lu reverse, you actually can use Yukiko as your Hama/Mudo girl, which is something I did for a few dungeons along with Impure Reach and Mamudoon. Usually iced whatever it came across, because Yukiko has a surprisingly great Lu stat.
>>321941379
At least you finished the festival dungeon. I almost dropped it there.
>>321945401
>NEED at least one healer
Fuuka or Healing Harp.
Or you could one-shit literally anything in the game with the tried and true Damage Mod skills + Myriad Arrows + Agility Bind
The biggest problem with this game, is that you need to exploit the hama/mudo shit early on, because it takes forever to kill anything through damage, even from floor 1.
>>321945401
Just make Naoto your healer because it's not like does anything else, but eat through trash mobs anyhow.
I mean with Aigis in your group set up right you would take such a small amount of damage that you could just go off of you navigator heal if you wanted.
>>321940616
Power Charge/Dragon Cry > Shura Tensei
>>321926087
Because /v/ told me to skip it since it isn't particularly good at tiding over an EO fan and missing out on some Persona fanservice isn't a big deal
>>321945842
>he doesn't use all 3 combined with Mind's Eye for 100% crit rates
>>321926087
The 3rd dungeon is too spooky, I haven't played in a couple weeks because of how creepy it is.
>>321945972
>yfwIT'S INSIDE THE ROOM WITH YOU
>>321945769
I don't why people thought you needed a healer with healing harp and Fuuka heal. Aigis is such a broken tank there wasn't a need for a healer even on risky, but nice to have someone with a healing move.
>>321945792
>Just make Naoto your healer
Now that's a damn good idea. My Yukiko was terrible for trash mobs, and my Naoto was awful for bosses.
>>321946204
>mfwit eats hama like a chump and dies
>>321945972
This. I was actually surprised by how spooky it could be. I think it was a combination of the atmosphere and gameplay where you have limited control (potential for jumpscares).
>>321946469
all you need to do is slap mediarahan on someone. i had group heals on door-kun and binds/panic on naoto
>>321945881
It got great fanservice, great ost, and great battles. I would recommend it.
>>321946469
Ya it's a good idea since you bring her for trash mobs and is so useless on mobs. I just gave her a heal and some binds. Made her even useful on boss fights.
>>321945972
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. I was quite spooked by the jumpscare dolls. Music's good and fittingly spooky. I ended up strafing past where dolls would jump out because I hate jump scares.
Why does PQ got one of the best OSTs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cqj_6I6fGo
and that hub music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Dcm7Gq5Dg
