>This guy is now Greninja's final smash in Smash 5
How do you react?
probably won't even be there
they'll keep the furbait one but use some gen 7 starter instead of a gen 6
>>321888143
Greninja is furbait? Do furries even GO for anthropomorphic frogs?
I think Lucario is more in that vein.
>>321888306
he was referring to lucario as the furbait one
>Final Smash now involves the cool water tornado and the gigantic shuriken it transforms into instead of the generic "opponent is struck multiple times at high speed in mid-air ending with a stronger attack that blows him away" that multiple characters already have
I'm in.
why do people get upset when Smash references the anime anyway?
I mean. They've been doing it since Smash 64.
Wouldn't people be fucking used to it by now?
>>321887894
why did it got ash's appearance? do they give a nice explanation or it just happens for the sake of happening?
By the way, in case you don't follow the anime, this transformation is 100x more interesting than Mega Evolution. It gives a comparable power boost and the trainer and Pokémon are synchronized to the extent that the trainer is able to see through the Pokémon's eyes and immediately convey his orders, but in return he feels the damage inflicted to the Pokémon on his own body.
>>321889296
that's the type of shit that made digimon jump the shark
it's over boys
>>321889496
Kids like it bro, and kids are, you know... the target audience of the product.
>>321889496
>that type of shit that made digimon jump the shark
... you mean Tamers? The most critically acclaimed series in the franchise?
whatever man
>>321889496
We've already broken the three-stage evolution and permanent evolution rules this gen, not to mention the upcoming Zygarde turning into an organic giant mech, why stop there? If the [Trainer]-Pokémon mechanic ends up being in the next game, they could balance it better than Mega Evolution by making it so that if the transformed Pokémon is K.O'd, the trainer also faints and loses the battle regardless of remaining Pokémon.
>>321888915
Because the game canon and a nine canon are different, and also contradict each other frequently. And the game canon is better, because while it is child appropriate the anime is full on baby tier
Also mewtwo isn't a fucking clone!!!
>>321889791
>Pokémon mechanic ends up being in the next game, they could balance it better than Mega Evolution by making it so that if the transformed Pokémon is K.O'd, the trainer also faints and loses the battle regardless of remaining Pokémon.
That's fucking retarded. Sounds like something a redditer or a deviantart would come up with.
>>321889901
>the anime is full on baby tier
Nah, the current series has had plenty of heavier themes and episodes (one of the main characters' Pokémon is currently in a coma, for instance). Rather obviously so, since the games it's adapting feature stuff like the attempted genocide of all humanity.
>>321889901
>Because the game canon and a nine canon are different, and also contradict each other frequently.
so? referencing both doesn't mean they're saying they're the same. Do you get upset when superhero cartoons get referenced instead of the comics?
>And the game canon is better, because while it is child appropriate the anime is full on baby tier
subjective. I mean, the anime has someone who dies on screen, instead of a flashback. At least two in fact.
>>321889791
because "the human IS the pokemon!!1" is the gayest shit anyone's every thought up. i seriously hope game freak has more sense than that
>>321889980
>let me call names of other sites to justify my opinion!
What is retarded about it? It would be a clear-cut risk-reward gameplay mechanic. What's retarded about the current games is stuff like Mega Evolution allegedly requiring a strong bond to work and you being able to do it right away despite the mechanic to form said bond (Pokémon-Amie) being in the game.
>>321890370
how would tying it to Pokemon-Amie balance it competitively?
>>321889901
>Muh edgy pokemon headcanons
All pokemon fans new and old are god awful
>>321889901
let me guess, you think Special is well written, mature, and not convoluted and ridiculous as fuck
>>321890446
You require the player to mess around in Pokémon-Amie until a certain happiness is reached before being able to trigger Mega Evolution, simple as that. It wouldn't take long, it would make sense with the lore and it'd give you a reason to play the mode.
>>321890974
that doesn't do jack competitively though because it has nothing to do with battling. Players would just grind through it like they do EVs.
>>321889180
They literally call it power of love
>>321891237
Is Ash the only one who can do it or are there more trainers with that ability?
I expect it to be the next pokken character instead
>>321889791
That is a horrible fucking idea but it's workable enough I could actually see it happening
>>321890609
It isn't headcanon, the game explicitly says mew gave birth to mewtwo and it was genetically modified. It isn't an clone grown in a tube
>>321891332
There was one Greninja in the past that did it to protect its village
The implication is that only Greninja can do it, and the ninjas who live in that village train their own Greninjas in hope of being the next one to get it
>>321891048
I wasn't talking about balance in my previous post, the balance of the Trainer-Pokémon thing and the mention of Mega Evolution and Pokémon-Amie were unrelated. Sorry if it seemed like they were.
>>321888539
Pair that with fixing his f-air and counter, then I'm digging it.
>>321887894
They already made the anime canon to thr ORASverse, what more do they want?
>>321891401
And? That's the game. The anime did something different.
>>321891401
>Mewtwo is a Pokémon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this Pokémon's body, they failed to endow Mewtwo with a compassionate heart.
>>321891873
>They already made the anime canon to thr ORASverse
How so?
>>321892076
They are exaggerating. There's a broad reference to the Mega Evolution specials, and that's it.
Makes me feel likeIKU Z!
>>321892076
ORAS Steven is the same Steven from the anime.
>>321892234
>guys there are a lot of guys with mega charizard X who battled legends with steven while he was using his shiny mega metagross. ;.; i-it's not canon.
>>321892076
They referenced a character only in the anime so far even though ORAS introduced multiverse shenanigan bullfuckery and there could easily be a game version of them independent of the anime one
>>321889901
Even so the only thing taken from the anime canon are the voices and Jigglypuff's color. The moves don't really look like either the game or the shows and it's not like there's a story.
>>321889296
We jojo now
>>321889296
So it's Hub.bat
>>321892643
You forgot all the trophies mentioning the anime brah
>>321891237
So he fucked it
>>321892764
Hub.bat and Full Synchro in the mango.
>>321892494
Dude I LIKE the anime and I think that it's just a reference. I mean, different things do it all the time. Say a Star Wars story makes an oblique reference to Indiana fucking Jones. That doesn't make them the same canon.
>>321887894
I usually really like pokemon designs but I have this weird, illogical hated for Ash.
Does anyone else know what I'm talking about?
>>321887894
I don't even know what its final smash is currently. I don't play with smash ball on very often, but I'm guessing it's very generic or else I'd at least somewhat remember it. So that would be an improvement.
>>321892786
Trophies have absolutely nothing to do with 90% of the gameplay. It's retarded to think that they'd just pretend the anime doesn't exist given how popular it is.
>>321892939
If a star wars character mentions indiana jones then yes it does. :/.
>>321889296
So it's a ripoff of MMBN4, literally the worst BN game? GG Gamefreak.
>>321892792
That would have been more interesting
>>321893103
It's basically Strider Hiryu's Ragnarok.
>a throwaway TCG card and f2s game pixel art confirms Greninja will evolve into Mega Greninja-A
>>321893228
Manga did it first, but yeah, fuck MMBN4.
>>321893105
Maybe, but when there's shit like Misty being based more on her anime version than her game one in Melee and Mewtwo basically being modeled after the 1st movie you have to figure they don't have anything against it.
>>321893103
It uses Mat Block to toss a nearby opponent into the air then slashes them a bunch of times in front of a full moon before spiking them for a KO
>>321893228
Wasn't that already how Hub.bat worked in MMBN1?
>>321888306
He was talking about Lucario, and you'd be surprised. Furries go for everything.
>>321890131
> one of the main characters' Pokémon is currently in a coma
Wait, for real? Which and whose?
>>321893372
Game Misty had zero characterization. All the Pokemon used their then-current designs. That's why Pikachu isn't a fat fuck anymore.
>>321893484
Hub.bat changed Mega Man's DNA to be 100% like that of Lan (technically to be as it originally was as Hub). It is what leads to them being able to full synchro but doesn't necessarily cause full synchro.
>>321893687
Punished loli : a little girl who's smile was not protectede
>>321887894
>playing with Smash Balls
>>321893904
whyboner.jpg
>>321893328
Pokémon Tretta, an arcade game with animations ripped from the main games, has a unique animation for Greninja transforming into Ash Greninja.
>>321893752
>Game Misty had zero characterization.
Didn't ALL the Gym Leaders have zero characterization? I like Pokèmon games, but I really don't remember many of its human characters.
>>321891647
Anon, pls. It's obvious that this was done so that pikachu can get a power up without evolving. Honestly, I rather hope it stays anime-exclusive since it gives the new starters at each new region something different from the games.
>>321893869
>Punished loli : a little girl who's smile was not protectede
Wat. Is one of the main character's mons in a coma or is it not?
>>321893752
That's not what I meant. Her design is the one from the anime not the games. I'm not talking about personality.
And Mewtwo's appearance and abilities are more based on his design in Mewtwo Strikes back than the artwork of the era.
>>321893869
>failing to protect a loli's smile
The saddest kind of failure.
>>321894107
Most of them were one dimensional as fuck. It's really only in Gen 3 that NPCs started to actually have character development.
>>321893687
Manon, the sidekick of Alan, previously main character of the Strongest Mega Evolution specials and now Ash's enemy in the main series. Her Chespin is ded.
>>321893687
Manon's Chespin is currently in a coma for some unexplained raisin, due to some energy from helping a Zygarde core escape
>>321893869
Laughed when Alan brushed her off, even Charizard gave him shit for it.
>>321894314
Holy shit, an on-screen mon died? For real? That's great! I've been waiting for that to happen since the series first aired.
>>321894161
she's to busy suffering to be a main character anymore. her edgefag told her to fuck off and when she almost felt a little better her starter got put into an indefinite coma.
>>321894176
Mewtwo's design in Melee is the same as Gen 2, which was in development before the movie even came out. It was actually supposed to be released a year before the movie.
>>321894214
Did they even have character development in the actual Gen 3? They do in the remake, but I don't remember any character other than that faggot kid with the Ralts having any kind of development other than "Ima gym leader! Let's fight!".
>>321894137
The episodes where it happened just got subbed recently if you want to see for yourself. they're ridiculously strict on making it look Greninja only
Pikachu don't need shit anyway
>>321894458
Latios died in the fifth movie, bro.
>>321894458
It isn't dead
>>321894458
Nah, it's in a coma. But where have you been? Multiple Pokemon died years ago, at least in the movies. Lucario, Latios, Darkrai, etc.
They killed a whole flying ship full of people too in an episode.
>>321894618
Wally, Steven, Norman (aka Daddy), and even the villains show some character development in Gen 3. It's even more apparent in Emerald.
>>321894806
Yeah, I mean one owned by a main character due to a non-melodramatic battle injury or an illness or something.
>>321894512
Mewtwo's gen 2 sprite still has him walking flat footed, while Melee has him upright with digitagrade legs the anime's proportions, voice, and overall demeanor, in addition to giving him Shadow Ball purely to reference Anime Mewtwo's sphere attack (which was later decided to be Shadow Ball anyway)
>>321894314
He's only an enemy because he's a fucking idiot for believing Lysandre.
>>321892494
His point is that just because a character shows up doesn't mean they're canon to each other.
Lloyd Irving is a character in Soul Calibur Legends, but that doesn't mean Soul Calibur is canon to Tales of Symphonia.
>>321895338
To be fair, Lysandre is a master ruseman in the anime. He played Steven like a damn fiddle.
>>321894905
God this was dark.
>struck by lightning
>"well guess she's going to be sent blasting off!"
>crashes in whirpool
>"m-maybe it floats"
>shows windows cracking and water rushing in
>"m-maybe they swam out"
>cracked glasses float up
>"this has got to be a fake out"
>it fucking explodes
She was a dick, sure, but COME ON!
>>321895028
The sprites have different proportions because they were on a gameboy screen.
Just look at the Stadium design, it came out before the movie and mewtwo there has the same proportions you see in later depictions.
I already talked about voices being from the anime. As for demeanor, Mewtwo was never presented as anything but a cold, calculating loner except at the end of the Japanese version of the movie.
>>321894314
>now Ash's enemy in the main series.
wat
>>321895597
Well it's not like any of the main characters did it to her. Only Gary saw it happen.
And he's a big enough dick to just wave it off.
>>321895523
those characters don't appear in any canon material they're just for players. When Lloyd Irving is referenced in the actual canon then he is.
>>321895624
Yes which is how the Smash version comes across. The games characterize Mewtwo as a savage monster.
Stadium's Mewtwo is based on the anime as well.
>>321896017
How is Stadium's Mewtwo representative of the anime when it came out BEFORE Mewtwo was in the anime?
>>321895782
He's an unwitting pawn in Team Flare's hands. Lysandre told him they need the Zygarde Core that Ash's group has to cure Manon's Chespin from his coma.
>>321889901
>mewtwo
>mew, two
>not a genetically spliced mew
>>321896220
What? I thought Stadium came out well AFTER the first movie?
>>321896338
I'm guessing he didn't tell Ash any of this?
>>321896417
The original stadium came out in 98.
>>321896472
They haven't met yet aside from quickly passing by each other on the road. We know from a preview they'll battle soon.
>>321896017
I don't remember the games characterizing Mewtwo at all. But I'm pretty sure Mew was supposed to be intelligent, so Mewtwo would be intelligent too and not a savage monster, since they're sort of the same species.
>>321887894
Great! Now he won't have a Final Smash with the world's smallest hitbox.
>>321896660
Is Mewtwo even in that version? I j is the first version of Stadium doesn't have all 150.
In any case there's clear influence from anime Mewtwo just by having Shadow Ball. And besides; Lucario is based on his movie on account he can talk.
>>321896692
Mewtwo's pokedex entry talks about how violent and cruel it is. That's how it's shown to be in Origins, which is based directly on the games.
>>321888143
yes a character the pokemon company has been hyping up to be the next lucario won't be in the next smash.
Are you retarded? The only one who has a change of being cut is mewtwo
When I heard the news I thought that the "only happened once before" was going to be a reference to Eternal Floette
Then it was just another Greninja who also happened to look like Ash for some reason. It was disappointing.
>>321897005
Yes he is, you can look this shit up yourself.
It has been discussed to death why Sakurai made Pokemon use their anime voices, it's not relevant to the discussion of the actual design of the characters that we were originally talking about.
>>321897281
AZ's Floette looks nothing like AZ. Why did anyone think there'd be a connection there?
>>321897281
>was going to be a reference to Eternal Floette
But it has literally no resemblance to AZ, it only resembles his weapon and he had the Floette with the flower waay before becoming a killer.
>>321897464
Because the coloring seemed kind of similar, and it would've been a neat way to incorporate it into the series.
>>321897356
There's just using voices, and there's having the character speak like a human, just like that one individual Lucario, who is the only Lucario that does so in the entirety of the franchise.
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>>321897156
Pretty cold and intelligent in Origins too. And in Smash most of its moves are pretty brutal.
>>321897528
... They look absolutely nothing alike anon. At all.
>>321897669
Mewtwo canonically understands English and has a human level intellect.
Any Lucario can also canonically understand human speech according to the Pokedex entry as well as having telepathic abilities.
>>321897895
I meant Greninjash and Eternal Floette in terms of what was added to them
>>321897730
Did we watch the same special? Origins does nothing but show Mewtwo as savage and violent.
>>321897981
You're not listening. No Lucario EVER in ANY media EVER speaks English, besides the one from that particular movie. Okay it's telepathic abd can understand human speech but so can fucking Alakazam
You are deliberately trying to deny there's a connection to preserve the anime free "purity" that exists solely in your own mind.
>>321898010
Greninjash has red and black because those are colors Ash has, and it resembles Ash due to the nature of the connection. If he were Clemont's partner he'd have yellow accents and a lightning bolt ahoge.
Eternal Floette has those colors cuz GF decided they look good. It makes no sense to connect them.
>>321898321
I never said that Smash ignores the anime, quite the opposite in fact.
see >>321893105
> No Lucario EVER in ANY media EVER speaks English
No Lucario anywhere actually SPEAKS English at all, it's telepathy. Just because it wasn't directly depicted in the game, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Unless you really believe that Pokemon are invisible while in grass and never had sex before Gen 2.
The movie depictions are based on the canon traits of those Pokemon.
>>321898976
Now you're just picking nits. I know it's telepathy. But that's the only Lucario depicted doing it, it's using dialogue based on the movie, and it's the same damn voice actor in the Japanese version, as well as the same US VA as of Smash 4.
Smash Lucario is the one from the movie. Flat out.
>>321894793
I know, but let's be honest here. With everyone else having pokemon with mega-evolution forms, pikachu not having one and not/can't evolve, been with Ash the longest, this ash-form is pretty much created just for pikachu's sake. It's inevitable that there will be an ash-form Pikachu by the season's finale, with Pikachu wearing a mini Ash's cap and have a glowing electric aura around him. You really can't have the mascot stay underpowered compared to everything else and still win somehow.
>>321899676
>that's the only Lucario depicted doing it
Because it's the only thing that focuses on Lucario.
>it's using dialogue based on the movie
Of course, because the movie is popular. Why wouldn't it?
>it's the same damn voice actor in the Japanese version, as well as the same US VA as of Smash 4
Michelle Knotz voiced Squirtle in Smash, therefore that Squirtle must be Ash's squirtle. Clearly Pokemon Trainer is a reference to Ash amirite? No fucking shit if they're using the anime voices they're going to get the anime voice actors.
It's obviously an amalgam of it like Snake is neither Solid nor Naked, but a combination of the two. That doesn't mean that Smash panders to the anime nor does it mean that Lucario and Mewtwo are the same Lucario and Mewtwo that are in the anime.
>>321899807
When Sinnoh was doing its "Blaze turns Infernape into a super saiyan" arc, they didn't give Pikachu and upgrade to match. The same thing is gonna happen here; he'll stay the same.
"Pikachu wins by being scrappy and trying as hard as he can" has and always will be his thing.
>>321899807
Pikachu is still canonically Ash's strongest Pokemon when overloaded.
>>321889296
Lmao, they had that shit in gen I already, when Ash challenged Giovanni and was forced to stand on a platform that inflicted pain when his Pokemon took damage. They really ran out of ideas.
>>321900308
>It's the only thing that focuses on a Lucario
There's multiple anime arcs depicting Lucarios that don't speak, game scenarios in both DP and XY that utilize them and don't speak, and he's basically the mascot of Pokken.
Only that specific Lucario talks.
Also Michelle Knotz voices EVERY Squirtle as of the Battle Frontier arc so I'm not sure that counts. In any case, all the multiple factors ADD UP so Lucario is more egregious.
>>321887894
What the fuck even happened to this show
>>321901096
it got worse
>>321900959
And all Lucario are voiced by the same guy in Japan. Sean Schemmel voices a lot of characters in Pokemon, not just Lucario.
>>321901096
It got more entertaining to watch
>>321901096
>solar beam at night
>doesn't take forever to charge
>>321888306
2 Hours late, but anthro frogs are my fetish.
I don't even like most furry stuff, but so many fucking frog characters make such good husbandosChrono Trigger, Star Fox, Kero Blasterthat my mind just started associating "semi-anthro frog" with "would marry."
>>321900374
>>321900524
Except there's a limit to how far you can push it. Every new game introduce a new mechanic and absurdly pushes the power level even higher. I mean, it doesn't even have to be a phsyicsl boost when Pikachu is in ash-form. I am perfectly fine if all it does for Pikachu is expand his known moves list so he can do more stuff instead of spamming thunderbolt, agility and irontail over and over again.
>>321901382
I give up. This is being deliberately ignorant. It's not about those details on their own it's about ALL THOSE DETAILS TOGETHER. Jesus fucking Christ.
>>321899807
Pikachu doesn't need a forme to beat megas.
>>321901598
Pokemon have only been able to know four moves at a time in the anime for years now. Pikachu got Electro Ball a few years back and hasn't used Volt Tackle since.
>>321901709
All those details together just serve to prove that Smash is influenced by their depictions all over the games with a bit from the anime, which is exactly what I originally said. You seem so intent on "proving" that Smash only cares about the anime when the traits of the anime come from the game in the first place.
>>321901810
#rekt
>>321901987
>Pokken tournament tiers.webm
>>321901959
When did I ever say it only cares about the anime? That's patently fucking ridiculous. But it references the anime a LOT, and Lucario in particular is the one from "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew". It's bleedingky obvious.
>>321902302
Yeah, it's somewhat influenced by it, that doesn't make it the same Pokemon.
Anyway, wasn't this conversation originally about Mewtwo?
>>321902075
>he didn't see the one where pikachu was almost killed by it
>>321901810
It's really less about pikachu winning against mega's and more about pikachu doing something different. You can really only watch pikachu swat away projectiles with his iron tail and countering with lightning bolt so much before it gets stale. Every other pokemon gets new moves from evolving but pikachu is stuck with the same move's list (except for that one season) since forever. Just want it to get something befitting of it's status as Ash's longest staying partner.
>>321889496
Pokemon already jumped the shark though
People still buy it anyway
>>321902856
"Almost" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Pikachu won, Mega Furrybait got its ass kicked. You're retarded if you think the face of Pokemon won't be good in the Pokemon fanservice game.
>>321902856
It's okay, Pikachu got his revenge in the end
>>321902402
>some ducks are similar and share traits
>but only one duck has all those traits on its own at the same time
>media showing a duck with all those traits at once shows up in two different works
>Logically you would conclude they are the SAME FUCKING DUCK
>>321888306
Well, frogs have those huge ass tongues, also they don't have dicks so you can't really tell their gender on the outside.
>>321902916
Pikachu semi regularly gets at least one new move every generation, anon.
>>321887894
Indifferent. Human/Pokémon fusions have been a thing for quite a while in spinoffs, and it was only a matter of time before it made its way to the anime and possibly the games.
>>321903204
At least you didn't use a food analogy.
The only thing that makes movie Lucario any different from other Lucario is being in stasis for hundreds of years and the specific lines he says. Well, and being dead.
The only thing there is some of the lines and literally everything else is either generic to Lucario or outright Smash exclusive, it's easy to tell that they aren't the same character.
>>321903330
Volt tackle mysteriously for one season then just as mysteriously gone, and then back to the usuals. Other pokemon comes and goes so we get to see something new, but pikachu is always will be a constant. It's pretty much a given he won't be getting another electric type with pikachu in his team. We're noy going to be able to see any other electric type moves coming from him beyond what pikachu knows. It's just so much wasted potential there.
>>321903910
Its not a fusion you idiot.
>>321901437
damn
>>321904248
Electro Ball you fucking idiot
>>321904248
Pikachu don't need no newfangled moves. Four chords and the truth and a little bit of determination is all it takes.
Probably meant to reference how some people playing the games have one or two Pokemon that never get their moves changed.
>>321904406
Read the read of my post. No other electric moves beyond what Pikachu knows, which includes Electro ball. There are many other moves out there, but if GF doesn't update pikachu's moves list in the game, anime pikachu doesn't get anything new either. Which is really wasted potential.
>>321904674
I really have nothing against pikachu winning as it is. I'm just mostly complaining about the wasted potential due to having only pikachu and his moves as the only electric type representative on Ash's team since the beginning.
>>321904952
U srs m8.
Pikachu learns new moves in every gen. Plus unlike the Ashnime you're supposed to evolve it to Raichu to reach full potential.
>>321905449
Yes that's why they made the Light Ball.
>>321901096
Last season was very poorly recieved and its ratings are struggling, so they're trying anything they can think of.
>>321905659
Pikachu with a light ball still sucks m8.
Chansey has the Lucky Punch but that doesn't mean you aren't intended to evolve it to blissey.
>>321905449
Anon, I know that. Just read the reply to the other anon here >>321905397
Nothing against pikachu, just lamenting that the electric type stuff is limited to only what pikachu can do.
>>321905698
>ratings were struggling
Citation needed
>>321905994
Why would Ash need another electric type? Pikachu covers that. It's the face of the series, he isn't gonna put it in storage like the other dozens of Pokemon he has.
Ash having two electric types would be utterly redundant. That's why he has companions and why gym leaders exist.
>>321906128
That's the point I was making anon. Every new season, Ash gets new pokemon with new moves to showcase new elemental type moves. Ash will always have pikachu, and as such, he will never get another electric type pokemon. Hence, we are not going to see any other electric type moves coming from Ash's team beyond what only pikachu can do.
>>321906594
Why do we need to see it from Ash when there's dozens of other trainers in the series?
>>321906695
Because I am genuinely curious to see how Ash will be able to use nuzzle to defeat the gym boss, or what kind of unconventional strategy he will use when he has access to the magnetism type moves.
>>321907106
There's other characters who could do that.
>>321907321
Other characters doesn't showcase the same kind of gameplay-defying strategy that Ash uses. I mean, has any other Greninja user actually abuse the foams like Ash has?
