Would I be stupid to purchase a GTX 970 today?
I need a new GPU since my GTX 760 is dropping frames in Fallout 4 and Witcher 3.
;_;
if youre fine with its performance for next 3 years, ye sure
>>321839629
That card will still drop frames in said games.
>>321841036
Then what card instead? 390? It performs worse in every test I've seen and is more expensive.
>>321841527
Weird. 390 and 390X are faster than the 970. Also, more memory is always good.
>>321841527
>>321841679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15wOp7_dD8E
get the 970 or 980ti or just wait for pascal
>people say you cant play 4K with 970
>tfw playing even higher resolution with mine
The internet is full of bullshit
>>321839629
>pascal around the corner
cant wait for ENB mods in every game at 120 fps
>>321842091
implying first gen pascals won't be over priced pieces of trash
>>321841527
Get a 980 ti
>>321842306
buying first gen anything is dumb. Like first gen plastic surgery. Of course you wait until its ironed out and not a hobbyist item.
>>321842408
Too expensive, not worth it for my first build. I'm not even op I'm just struggling with this shit. Evga 970 jut seems like a solid choice that'll last a while. Is 750 watt power supply going to be enough to manage it? I'm kind of flying by the seat of my pants when t comes to this.
>>321841036
My brother was having problems, but it was because of his CPU. I've been playing fallout 4 for a week or two now at max settings and no trouble keeping a constant 60 fps.
>>321839629
i have a 970 and i get good frames on both games.
>>321842680
750w's real output is probably 650 or so, could run sli 970s on that, they're efficient, not overly so as shills claim
>>321839629
Yes it would be stupid, get the R9 390 instead.
>>321842680
970 has issues accessing the last 0.5 GB of its VRAM causing FPS drops.
Spring for a regular 980 or go for a 290x. A 750 watt PSU will be more than enough; if you look in the specification tabs on graphics cards it'll tell you minimum requirement for PSU
>>321842834
Is EVGA a good brand to go with for the 970?
>>321843101
Yes
>>321842684
Try going in the city in the towers and look down into the city and watch your frames plummet.
>>321843024
Only if all 4GB of VRAM is used it becomes a choke point. Nvidia's already sorted out the problem with the stuttering (not fps drops per se) on the 970. It's a great 1080p card.
>>321843101
Yeah, pretty popular, my favorite is the Gigabyte as it's a bit faster.
>>321843024
>>321843360
Alright thanks for the help, I think I'm going to go with the 970, 290x doesn't seem to do as well on the witcher which is my main interest (the only fucking game I've wanted to play in a long time) for this build, and I'll just deal with the cards issues as they come up.
>>321843101
I have 2 MSI 970s and would recommend.
Wait they never fixed the 3.5gb thing?
>>321842060
That's because benchmarks are fucking retarded and throw on 4x MSAA on a FUCKING 4K RESOLUTION and wonder why it runs like shit.
>>321843961
You can't fix hardware .
>>321839629
>my GTX 760 is dropping frames in Fallout 4 and Witcher 3.
mine's doing fine, just tweak the settings
Yes get it boy I have one! AMD cards aint got compatibility worth shit and they know it too. cant go wrong with the 390 but im team green ftw
VOTE HERE, YOU FUCKERS!
strawpoll.me/6364779
>>321839629
Got my 970 at launch, upgraded from a 760 and haven't looked back. It's been great so far
was thinking of getting a 960 for a 720p build since my tv can only output up to 1080i and 720p.
>>321841527
you're full of shit
>>321841834
>get the 970
how much is Nvidia paying you to be retarded? I need to know cuz I want some of that money nigga
>He bought a 970
>>321839629
Just get a ps4 desu
The games are nearly maxed out pc games plus some great exclusives.
>>321839629
I bought a 390x for $325 because of the after christmas sales. You would be literally stupid to buy a 970 right now.
>>321845908
the fuck is this shit? source
>>321842680
dude Im running a Zotac gtx 960, with a 450 PS, and an i5 4460, 2HDD, 1SSD multiple fans, and have no problems with the power supply. its a CS450M. thats the one thing Nvdia DOES have over AMD, is that their crazy effecient so is Intel over AMD
If you're playing on a single monitor at 1080p with a good cpu and memory, a 970 is more than sufficient. 980 and higher is for multimonitor and 4k setups
>>321846368
also forgot to say running witcher on full blast 1080, and fallout on fullblast too
>>321839629
A 970 is great and will run all modern games at maxed out settings. The 3.5 meme is non-existant at 1080p, as most cards today only have 2gb vram.
I would still recommend you to wait for the next gen which is coming soon, unless you can find a sale on the 970.
>>321846220
a meme
>>321846547
>The 3.5 meme is non-existant at 1080p, as most cards today only have 2gb vram
>>321846172
But it was so cheap and i had a pc from 2007
Im happy with it
>>321842680
970 barely uses any power. I ran a gtx 590 with my 750w powersupply just fine.
>>321846547
this kinda. got the 960 last Feb. and was gonna upgrade to the 980ti for 4k, but im gonna wait a few months to see whats on the horizon. Does anyone have any info on Nvdias new line up yet?
I'm surprised that they're still going for $250-300.
>>321846726
>Does anyone have any info on Nvdias new line up yet?
Launching Q1-Q4 2016
>>321843961
It was an issue with the marketing department. 3.5 was an intentional feature of the 970 since it's not a true 4gig card.
>>321846726
970 does quite well, I plopped mine in a 6 year old PC and it managed 60 fps on ultra throughout TW3 and only dropped to 55ish in novigrad. Prices seem to have gone up recently though, you could try waiting for a game deal or something.I like how cool it runs more than anything, I switched from a 5870 that would top 70 just trying to play BF4 with the fan going crazy. With this the fan doesn't even have to turn on in BF4 and it stays at 40 degrees.
>>321843961
Read this
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-Discloses-Full-Memory-Structure-and-Limitations-GTX-970
>>321841036
no it wont. FO4 maxes out on a 960 which also almost maxes out TW3 (average 45-60 fps on all high settings)
FO4 drops frames because you need to turn god rays completely off. They were programmed badly and eat ridiculous performance regardless of card.
Don't be tricked into buying AMD. Look up Just Cause 3 AMD problem. Then google Battlefield AMD problem. Then google Battlefront AMD problem. Then google basically any AAA game from the past 10 years + AMD and see the posts.
>>321843961
There's a class action lawsuit against them. Fixing it now would be admitting guilt.
no regrets
>>321846981
>Fixing it now would be admitting guilt.
The problem with it causing stuttering has been alleviated by drivers.
The payoff for the class action lawsuit is a drop in the bucket to nvidia. They don't care. They will make it go away and it won't hurt them in the slightest because they control over 70% of the market.
>>321846737
How'd you pull that off?
>>321846220
an hd7850 beating a gtx970 should be a clue to it being an obvious photoshop, anon
>>321846547
This is Shadow of Mordor maxed out at 1080p, it's using 5983mb of VRAM
>>321847035
>amd CPU
>meme card
Nice cvck rig desu baka senpai
I hate my build.
I want to replace my MOBO and CPU so fucking bad. I fell for the i7 meme.
>>321847317
wtf are those temps with so little usage?
>>321847317
>maxed out
http://www.pcgamer.com/spot-the-difference-shadow-of-mordor-ultra-hd-textures-barely-change-a-thing/
That's why you don't run it "maxed out" and turned toward the highest texture load you can find in the game.
Running textures on "ultra" instead of "very high" in most games is like a 50% memory hit for a 2% visual quality increase. It's simply stupid to do it.
>>321847317
many games will use what they can find, some of them use insane amount of VRAm because CRAM management is fucked, but will work fine on systems with less VRAM.
>>321847517
for what purpose
>>321843643
The 290x actually does a bit better in the Witcher 3, if got a good cooler (sapphire or powercolor)
>>321841834
>That video showcasing AMD getting BTFO
>And people thought 8GB vram would matter in the slightest even when the 390 cards were shitty overclocked rebrands of a 290s
>They would probably pay $400 today for a card from 2008 if it had 12gb vram, thinking it makes all the difference in the world
This is too hilarious
What do you have to say for yourselves, AMDfags?
>inb4 cherrypicked/photoshopped benchmarks
>>321847551
The usage is low because I'm in photo mode
>>321847560
I have VRAM to spare, and yes, I'm "maxing out". As you see you can use a 390/x to play the game at constant 60fps and gigantic textures if you wanted to
>>321847780
too bad you cant "max out" just cause 3 or countless other AAA games on release because they "dont work" with AMD drivers and it has "always been this way forever"
>>321847868
Didn't play JC3 but I definitely maxed out every other AAA I tried (Bam Ham at 1440p, TW3, GTA V etc). Keep projecting, though
>>321847868
Im maxing out Just cause 3 without problems on my R9 290.
>that feel when NEET
>had to sell a bunch of my shit to build my last PC which is now entering potato tier
>dont know how im going to ever upgrade it
Fuck
>>321847735
Sandy bridge were the last good intel cpu.
>>321847982
>>321847964
Out of curiosity what's your framerate when you max those games out at those resolutions
>>321842548
Won't that be a couple years then?
>>321847735
>For what purpose
So I can not be a shit and go with skylake instead of suffering with fucking ivybridge.
>>321841834
Fallout 4 seems to be a bit of an outlier, judging by some other videos linked in there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMnpknaAq0g
>>321847992
Sell shit on Ebay dude, plus amazon sells manufacturer refurbished msi 4g 970's at $180 - $220 once in a while, and I'm sure you could find a amd 390 for around the same.
Refurbished is better than used since it's been tested to run at factory accepted performance and the warranties are intact.
>>321848105
Batman at 1440p is about 40fps when driving/flying and 50-60fps on other occasions, Witcher almost steady 60fps and GTA V it's almost always 60fps except when I'm being bottlenecked by my cpu
>>321846880
yes Ive seen that, I was talkin abouta date or month
Will an i5 4460 + R9 280 be enough to run Witcher 3 and other AAA games at ultra and keep 40+ fps?
>>321848312
That's pretty damn decent, thanks anon
I inherited a computer from my brother after he left for Iraqistan or whatever. What would be a good video card to upgrade to play games smoothly on high settings and is a good investment? Main concern is Tera and Dark Souls 3 since everything else I play regularly isn't as graphically intensive.
>>321848428
I'm probably being bottlenecked by a couple frames in every one of those games because I have a 4460, you could probably get better results with an overclocked i5
>>321848415
>ultra
>40 fps
i bet you think 1080p is high-end too
>>321848571
>I'm probably being bottlenecked by a couple frames in every one of those games
>games designed to run on xbox 360 and shit
yeah, unlikely. it's just that your amd card is shit :^)
>>321848105
Most of the time 60fps at 1080p in just cause 3, but it drops to 45 when a lot is exploding because of my cpu.
Fallout 4 its at 60fps most of the time, with some minor drops. Im playing it maxed out with godrays on low (godrays settings dont matter), but Im using a mod that adjusts the shadow distance on the fly.
In witcher 3 it hovers at about 50-55fps. Both with some nice reshade presets.
![dy40KGoOWoMs.878x0.Z-Z96KYq[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tYlZTmE.jpg "dy40KGoOWoMs.878x0.Z-Z96KYq[1].jpg")
>>321848150
Also NGPTIM still sucks albeit not as bad as Ivy Bridge.
I sometimes get drops to 30fps with Fo4 on ultra settings.
>>321848496
R9 390.
You should also upgrade your PSU to something like the EVGA B2.
>>321848496
If the DS3 port is anything like the DS2 one, you'll probably be capable or unning the game with this rig, I'd say wait for the new generation of GPUs or get a 380/x. The i7 is okay
>>321848728
Reply
some people say get the gtx 980 ti instead well some of us need to pay bills and work we don't get money off mommy and daddy like you do
>>321848661
Im fine with 1080p for now and i honestly dont give a fuck about fps as long as they dont drop from 30
>>321847779
as someone looking through AMD/nvidia comparisons i can safely say fallout 4 is about the only game that nvidia cards win in from recent releases. i honestly feel bad for you you're so excited over seeing it win a single game, must get tiring living in denial that AMD cards actually perform better than most nvidia cards.
>>321848830
turn down god rays
>tfw 700 series
holy fuck are you me?
>>321848875
Wasting money on a bad card is worse than waiting another month to buy a good card, bird brain.
>>321848949
Why are you replyin to bait, my man
>>321848840
>>321848863
I've no experience with AMD, only Nvidia. Is it dependable/powerful? My card right now has trouble playing some games smoothly and just wont run Tera at all. I'm just looking for a good 3-5 year investment
And thank you for the power supply tip.
>>321848949
just cause 3
didnt even work correctly
on amd cards
until weeks after launch
same with battlefield 4 and battlefront but nobody plays those games right :^)
My video card is about to shit the bed, getting artifacts in my online games as well as malfunctions in general that crash the system. She had a good run. So I guess the better idea is to wait until the next wave of cards come out so I don't buy something prematurely obsolete, am I correct?
>>321848957
No.
>>321849023
>non-TI 700 series
>>321849127
you CANNOT make a good 3-5 year investment in a video card. The best course of action, take it from someone doing this for 20 years, is always to buy a mid range card like a 960 every ~3 years. You get the best price/performance ratio and you are never slow or unable to play everything.
You cannot "future proof" video cards. The next generation that comes out one year later will have a $300 card that's faster than the $500 card you bought.
>>321849136
What the fuck Battlefront always played nice on AMD cards, why are you falseflagging?
>>321849136
AMD released a driver update, fixing the visual bugs of just cause 3, 1 day after release.
>>321849127
>>321849253
Yes just don't get a 960
>>321849136
why
are you
typing
like this.
fucking cut it out, retard.
>>321849127
>>321849162
Buy the next $500-600 flagship when it comes out. Buying in the middle of a cycle or buying a mediocre card is just going to give you buyer's remorse. Might as well maximize the amount of time you have before it becomes outdated.
>>321849253
>>321849356
That's kind of what I meant but I have trouble with articulation. So my setup would benefit greatly from an EVGA B2 and a R9 390?
>>321849356
960 is actually the best card you can buy right now
cheap, comes close enough to maxing everything at high or ultra settings.
>>321849445
Yes, if you have the money for that
>>321849053
that's why i order it online and tell them to test it first... i don't see what that has to do with what i just said
>>321849127
The 390 will max out nearly every game at 1080p.
The 8GB of VRAM and good DX12/Vulkan performance will make it last very long.
>>321849445
Do not buy AMD. I have warned you multiple times. You will have issues. The best investment at this time is to buy a 960 and then buy a second gen pascal card later if you are unable to play how you want.
I have been buying video cards since 1995. There is a reason that nvidia owns most of the market share. It sure as fuck isnt advertising. It's that they DON'T HAVE CONSTANT PROBLEMS.
>>321848949
It's probably a driver issue, which is pretty standard it seems.
Is it about playing the games on launch? The 970 is probably a decent idea.
There's also 4k, memory, and DX 12.. The market seems to have no clue if these will (all) be relevant.
>>321849475
The R9 380 costs the same and has 20% better performance.
>>321849475
That would be the 380
>>321849127
>I'm just looking for a good 3-5 year investment
Nvidia stops supporting their last gen series when a new one is out. They tend to make specific drivers and features only for new cards that can make older cards chug
See what happened to the 700 series which was vastly superior to amds 200 series but after game works it flipped. Now you have a 960 outperforming a 780.
Amd makes General drivers supports them all but in release date for games with gameworks, they need a week to unfuck it and put out their own drivers to bring it to par. The 900 series also performed like shit in dx12 vs the 200 series. Can't wait until nvidia has those 900 series bitch boys crying just like they did Kepler.
I wish I was a girl so I could just flash my tits online for PC parts
>>321849475
But the r9 380 is better than the 960
>>321849253
This. I'm using a 660Ti I got in 2011 and I feel absolutely no need to buy a new card. The only game I haven't been able to run on high (not ultra high, but higher than medium) is the Witcher 3. Even the shittily optimised Evil Within fetches me a pretty consistent 50fps at max settings.
>>321849613
>DX 12
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/08/directx-12-tested-an-early-win-for-amd-and-disappointment-for-nvidia/
>>321849608
>nvidia gimping the 900 series once the 1000 series is release, completely crippling them
>>321849767
Don't games have to implement it?
>>321849608
I haven't had any problems with my hd 5800 except recently when I spilled soda on it. The only problems I had was it not being able to run current gen games like Blops 3 properly. But even for the most part, it still performed fairly well. Shit, if it wasn't obsolete I'd buy it again.
>>321849445
R9 380 for "bang for buck", R9 390 if you have the money for it and 980ti if you're the absolute madman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3rIOFP34Dg
>>321841834
i got a 980 for 380 dollaroos on sale doe :^)
>>321849608
The worst issue I ever had with AMD was just cause 3, which was fixed one day after release.
>>321843187
oh noes
>>321849913
And Fury X if you want a silent, small and great looking high end card.
>>321849974
Guess you didn't try to play rage where AMD completely fucked the launch of the entire game by not having a compliant implementation of opengl in their drivers.
Everyone blamed id software. Yes, it's the world's best graphics programmer's fault, not AMD. Makes logical sense.
>>321849816
nothing of this nature has ever happened, nice meme though.
you know what did happen though?
AMD fabricating AA and AF on their old cards in the early 2000s to win in benchmarks. Like you'd turn on 16x AF and it'd actually be running 8x AF, done intentionally to make the benchmarks look better.
970 is shit compared to the r9 390 even though they're the same price. and nvidia cards age like milk whereas amd cards age gracefully.
>>321849913
Also I'll leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66yhd36PdYg
>>321850208
Recording XD
>>321849656
>Nvidia stops supporting their last gen series when a new one is out. They tend to make specific drivers and features only for new cards that can make older cards chug
outright lie
you can believe the amdposters lying, or you can believe the *reality* that amd products have issues with games on launch, including those games being completely unplayable. and that this happens MULTIPLE TIMES A YEAR EVERY YEAR.
a 960 outperforms a 780 in some situations because it's an entirely new generation, you fuckin retard. same thing happens every time there's an entirely new generation.
>buy graphics card
>a week later its half the price and there's 5 new cards that blow it right the fuck out
Master race they said. This shit is ridiculous.
>Asus TURBO-GTX970-OC-4GD5 Graphic Card - $208
>$314.99 - $6.96 (Waive Free Return) - $30 (Android/Apple Pay) - $50 (Promo Code scarymommy15) - $20 Asus Rebate
Seems reasonable.
>>321850157
>Hey guise, remember that thing that happened ages ago?
What about the 3.5?
>>321850456
what about it? marketing fucked up something that i guarantee you engineers were begging them not to do. nvidia will pay the price for it and life will go on
one issue with one card vs. multiple issues every single year with *every card*
>>321850325
>or you can believe the *reality* that amd products have issues with games on launch, including those games being completely unplayable
Never happened to me, what about those 4096 GB of VRAM, though?
>>321850619
>>321847560
>It's simply stupid to do it.
Yeah, just like paying a 50% markup for nvidia while getting only a 2% increase in performance.
hey /v/, is my rig ok? can it run witcher 3? I was thinking of buying it on one of these sales
>>321841036
No, not it will not. If it is then you're pushing it far past the the point you should or your have a different hardware problem.
>>321850758
are you authentically trying to use a collage of reddit posts as an argument...not only that they are just various assorted technical issues like anyone could have with any card?
>>321850758
I'm gonna guess that that was taken on the day of release, I have no problems whatsoever since they actually released updated drivers.
>>321850839
At medium settings with a little more than 30fps (I had the same GPU)
>>321849545
Max out, sure, but 60fps, 1080p HD? Not gonna happen. Most of the time I have to lower AA to get 60fps, so not exactly maxed out.
>>321850839
>windows 10
>>321850781
the availability of cheap products that don't function as well as the genuine article does not constitute the use of the word "markup"
if AMD could produce parts that threatened Nvidia's dominance, nvidia cards would be lower priced. But AMD can't, so nvidia cards aren't.
>>321843961
No they didn't but in my experience I've actually pushed it past the 3.5 mark and surprisingly enough it didn't melt and explode.
In all seriousness I actually didn't see any frame drops once past 3.5 but I'm sure it varies per game.
>>321851049
drivers fixed it like a year ago anon.
>>321850392
wait but... how?
>>321851218
Jet
>>321845908
>R7 270
no such thing
>>321846647
The fact your laughing shows you only follow that meme.
If you're not playing above 1080 you'll everything thats released recently at a solid 60 fps with non-existent drops at highest or near highest settings. If you can't then theres either an optimization issue or something else in your hardware is holding you back.
There are exceptions when I state running at the highest settings because you can have something like Rainbow Six Siege where its Ultra textures add another .6 VRAM load (which given the quality is honestly unwarranted especially with how great the Very High textures look without needing nearly that much load)
I got my GTX 980 for $250. Don't be afraid to buy pre-loved.
>>321851774
But only cucks do that
>>321851774
where did you buy it for that price? I just bought a 970 brand new for 250 but I woulda dropped the dosh for a used 980 easily for that price
>Bought a GTX 970
>Fallout 4 sometimes dips down into the 20s and 30s in Boston
>Rock solid 60 outside of it
God damn it. I thought my i5-4690 was good enough when I bought it like a year ago.
>>321851821
I don't think you understand the whole "cuck meme".
>>321851968
GOD
RAYS
jesus christ you kids have no business gaming on pc. you dont even fucking bother to investigate issues.
>>321851960
if this is the same fockin' anon I've seen twice before, he bought it from some benchmarker who wanted to get rid of some tested hardware.
>>321851960
Private forum sale. Seller was a reviewer and simply wanted to make room for more GPUs. Still had 11 months of manufacturer's warranty left too.
>>321851968
Turn down the fucking God Rays Anon, they loaded them out of the ass with unnecessary tessellation because Bethesda are incompetent shitheads as per usual.
Would a 500w psu be okay for a 970?
>>321852121
You know me too well <3
>>321852083
>>321852215
>Turning down graphical settings
You guys are silly.
Hey faggots!
Are mechanical keyboards worth it or is it just snake oil that faggots load up and blow money on?
>>321852234
450W would be more than enough. Maxwell is crazy energy efficient, especially GM204.
>>321852356For actually influencing your gaming performance in any meaningful way, 99% snakeoil.
For being more pleasing to use due to clackey sound and feel, 100% true.
>>321843187
>Lol uh oh looking down at the shitty city makes my frames drop better buy a new gpu
>>321852356
Yeah they're worth it if you spend less than $75. MX Cherry Red or Brown for gaming.
>>321852330
>not turning down stupid bullshit settings that only serve to tank performance
>>321850157
>nothing of this nature has ever happened, nice meme though.
Then why is the 970 shitting on 780, let alone 780 Ti?
>>321852356
Is paying $100+ for a keyboard worth slightly better feeling keys?
>>321852234
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
>>321852356
For actual "gaming performance" horseshit? Advertising and snake oil.
As for if they feel better to use? Most definitely.
>>321852663
It's mostly in newer games that use more tessellation like Witcher 3
900 series have a massive boost in tessellation performance, however I will say that Kepler cards aren't aging as well as AMD cards
>>321851216
Nope. The only way to fix it would be making the OS think that the card has exactly 3.5 GB of memory so it would never try to use the last 0.5. But they didn't.
