What went so right with Super Smash Bros. Melee to make it such a beloved and enduring game?
>>321831183
Stupid shit like wavefucking, lel-cancelling, and dingdonging or whatever the fuck else that require stupid input patterns that make autists feel good about themselves.
>>321831649
Hey man, Fuck you. Dingdonging was a great mechanic.
It's fast.
it wasn't a casualised shit stain for the masses that don't even play vidya
>>321831649
this
>>321832119
Pretty much this. People go on about Smash 4's superior balancing and roster, but what good is any of that when the gameplay is stagnant and boring as fuck
Because it's a hard game to master.
fox
shitty game mechanics you can abuse to turn a party game into a shitty fighting game
Ridiculously high skill ceilings, fast-paced gameplay, unique, and Nintendo characters all rolled up into one package.
A crazy high skill floor/ceiling that make for great action, and, despite some admittedly dank memes, many high level players are really cool bros.
I got rolled by a pro Falco the other day34 to 2and he was totally cool about it, giving me tips along the way.
This was in PM, though he was a melee pro, and I never actually beat his Falco, only a Mar th ditto and his fox.
>>321831183
Melee fags can jerk each other off pretending its a proper fighting game and not a party game for kids while avoiding games that require any semblance of skill outside gimmicky tricks like >>321831649 said. They share a lot of similarities to the speedrunning community, especially when you consider their necessity to have a billion arbitrary rules up the ass. Its so sad to see that they have to exclude half the roster, 3/4 of the maps and all of the items to even pretend this game isnt a casual shitfest designed forfun
Truely Meleefags are pathetic shitstains
>nintendiddlers complain about real fighters
>claim to enjoy cereal box mascot fighter because it's casual shit
>cling to the one game in the franchise that has shitty mechanics that make it closer to a fighting game
>>321831649
>casual-elitist got dingdonged and he's still assravaged about it 14 years later
LOL
>>321832119
This.
And nostalgia.
I loved Melee, but I like 4 too, and honestly it's time to move on, 4 is also quite fun.
>>321831649
/thread
>>321832232
>Sm4sh
>superior balancing
This is a joke. Sheik and ZSS dominate tr4sh more than anyone in melee.
>>321832753
Samefagging but somehow I forgot to quote the biggest answer which is
>>321831649
it's for autistic people
>>321831183
Does anyone here actually agree with Samurai that smash is fun as a party game but fucking boring as a 1v1 fighter?I do
>>321832597
I know you're probably joking but there are actually people who believe this, entirely because they saw other people parroting the same shit for years. I can't decide if it's hilarious or just sad.
>>321831649
>>321832368
>>321832597
Oh look, meme shitting by uninformed people who have no understanding of the game or scene.I made posts just like these years ago, out of the same meme-fed ignorance. Then I met melee players and got in the scene. Now I know better.
>>321833319
Smash defense force. Enjoy your party games
64 was the first one. It was good for its time.
Melee vastly improved on the formula. Tons of new modes, double the roster, addition of Side B, tons of stages that are all different but fun as fuck. Glitches and high level techs only prolonged its life, not the original reason people loved the game.
Brawl doesn't have as many new modes. There are new characters, but some of them aren't really interesting, Nintendo is running out of "All-Star" characters and has to pick more obscure characters. The game has unfun mechanic like tripping. Stages are OK, game reuses a lot of stage from the previous games.
Smash 4 again doesn't have many new modes, most of which are boring (That game board mode on the Wii U is ass). The items are a lot stronger than in previous game and the stages have too much gimmick stuff which changes the game too much, instead of fighting with your opponent you're fighting with the stage. Game is slow and defensive as hell.
>>321833178
I can enjoy both, with one caveat. I instantly click away if there's a Fox mirror in Melee. That shit is a cure for insomnia.
Of course,that's just my opinion and you're fine to disagree with me.
>>321833178
I think Melee is fun both ways.
I think Brawl was fun as a party game but boring as a 1v1 fighter.
I think Smash 4 is boring both ways.
>>321831183
It's a game for children and immature idiots and that's what makes up the vast majority of modern gaming.
It's brawl's fault that melee is still popular. No series that popular has changed the gameplay so dramatically between its iterations. It became the norm to reject the newest entry in the series. If brawl never happened, people would have probably moved on to smash 4.
>>321831183
I like the Smash 4 genesis trailer although they could of used better clips.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziB6_pt-59w
>>321833642
With relatively few exceptions, video games were generally meant for children anyway.
It's fast and has a fucking entry barrier to keep retards out
>>321833319
>>321833189
>Healthy pro scene with maybe 4 people who play well at the top level, rotating victories depending on what the counterpicks/map rotation favors
Whatever you say smashfag stay delusional.
>>321833189
You're just deluded.
>>321833727
melee->smash 4 would have been just as ridiculous, possibly even more so, of a change than melee->brawl was.
The skill ceiling is relatively higher than other Smash games, which means you actually have to put in a semblance of effort in order to pull off even half the game's ATs.
New ATs were also in Brawl, so even with how slow it was, it still managed to be somewhat interesting because people could find inventive ways to make use of them.
Smash 4 offers pretty much nothing except for perfect pivots which are highly impractical, even in high level play.
Go watch one game (two stocks lmao) of smash 4 and it's painfully obvious how garbage it is.
I love melee. It's so much fun with friends, casually or competitively. We play with items and random stages sometimes but we keep coming back to the accepted tournament standard.
The techniques get gradually harder as they become more essential for higher levels of play and stuff gets flashier and faster as you improve. The community's great and always helpful.
My favorite part of melee is how despite the fact that you'll only see around 15 characters in the very high levels, they are so diverse and fun for different play styles.
If you wanna learn how to play I recommend smashladder for netplay or attending some local tourneys.
>>321831183
>genesis 3
Why don't you post numbers for a real tournament, not some cherrypicked backwoods bumfuckfest?
>>321834256
STOP BAITING
STOP STOP STOP
>>321833727
Only people who were not high level players, and I say this without intent to offend, think sm4sh isn't almost as bad, gameplay wise, as brawl. L cancelling and wavedashing aren't necessary to make a competitive smash, but you have to offer an alternative, which sm4sh does the opposite of. Tons of endlag and terrible movement options leads to a slow paced, boring, defensive campfest with poor balancing.
Oh god, the endlag on shorthop fast fall falcon knee...
>>321833839
>all that commentary
Only works for real esports. On smash it looks like when anime goes over exactly what happened in stupid useless commentary
>>321831183
The melee documentary and evo are the only reason why melee isn't dead yet. There was no Melee threads on /v/ before those events. Casuals like people on /v/ saw the documentary and were like 'oh cool' or some shit like that and any regular gamer somewhat knows what evo is.
>>321834432
>real esports
Like what?
>>321832232
>Smash 4
>superior balancing
Melee has a very dedicated following of very autistic people
If you like melee and haven't seen much of n0ne's falcon I recommend checking this video out, it's great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnUwnrmceu0
>>321834360
http://www.ssbwiki.com/MLG_World_Finals_2015#Smash_Wii_U_singles
http://www.ssbwiki.com/EVO_2015
>>321834479
There were a good amount of Melee threads before then. They often included PM back then, and I played a lot with /v/. Before that Melee threads still happened, although not as often as they do now clearly.
>>321834479
>/v/ is the general gaming population
lol?
>>321833903
>maybe 4 people who play well at the top level
Nadal/Djokovic/Federer won the vast majority of tennis tournaments for years, you never heard anyone saying "everyone else just sucks at tennis!" The truth is there are tons and tons of Melee players who could beat you without losing a single stock, who in turn could not take a single stock off any of the top 200 players because the game has such a wide skill gap.
Smash 4 is literally the best fighting game ever created because it has the fewest obtuse and arbitrary inputs.
You can't actually argue this. Seriously, if you do, you have crippling autism.
>>321833991
A good example of an alternative is project ma's auto l cancel option. It also records your l cancel percent, which can help when your just learning.
>>321834479
>no melee threads on /v/, the scene must be dead
Hot damn are you going to have one hell of a day the first time you leave your house.
>>321834572
>he enjoys fox being the only viable character
Wew
Genesis is literally a Melee focused event. Also Meleefags put in fake entrants. Truly scummy
Everyone cares about WiiU anyway, first tournament since MLG with Nairo and ZeRo both in attendance and over 20 international reps. Can't wait~
>>321835179
>he enjoys sheik being the only viable character
Wew
Melee is loved by fighting tournament fags while others just enjoy the tought of just fighting as your favorite character is fun. Personally I'm more of the latter. Adding shit like Cloud and Bayonetta is great.
I just see Smash in the same light as Mario Party and Splatoon. Just stupidly fun game.
>>321831183
>melee fags
The only people worse than smash4fags
>>321835051
>>321835179
Here's a (You) for your bumps.
>>321835247
So why does it matter to you what the game plays like if you only care about the character selection screen?
>>321835179
>fox being the only viable character
>jigglypuff-only player won the last big smash tournament and there was only 1 fox in the top 8, and he was a dual-main
Wew harder lad
>>321835236
I'm not up on the current vernacular of "gaymen culture" but I believe the phrase is "git gud"?
>>321835465
I'm not up on the current vernacular of "gaymen culture" but I believe the phrase is "git gud"?
>>321835179
>top 10 players in the world play fox, falco, marth, sheik, jigglypuff, peach, ice climbers, falcon, pikachu, and samus
>thinks fox is the only viable character
Even outside of the top players you going to see about 3/4 of the roster
>>321835465
>git gud applies to 4 but not melee
Care to shine some light on your hypocrisy?
>>321835183
>everyone cares about the wiki
Said no one, ever.
Daily reminder that apex was the peak of tr4sh's popularity, and it still got significantly fewer viewers.
genesis 3 is so stacked its gon b gud. not even hbox can ruin this tournament.
>>321831183
Melee isn't really enduring, the smash fanbase just refuses to move on to the newer games, for better or worse, unlike the rest of the FGC.
>>321831183
Glitches and bugs, of course.
>>321835854
that's literally just another way to say "enduring"
>>321831183
Would be p sweet if Nintendo just went Hardware only so everyone could play Smash.
>>321835443
>>jigglypuff-only player won the last big smash tournament
...in the PAL version of Melee, where Fox's damage, endlag, and recovery were considerably adjusted from the tourneyfag gold standard of the NTSC version.
>>321831183
All I know is not being able to grab an edge because someone else is a horrible game mechanic and feels wrong
Also only 4ish capable characters makes for a boring game.
Gib variety and ledge trumping plox
>>321835780
>not even hbox can ruin this tournament
WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED
>>321836191
>All I know is not being able to grab an edge because someone else is a horrible game mechanic and feels wrong
Dafuq?
I enjoy Sm4sh as much as the next guy, but the new ledge-mechanics are pants-on-head retarded. Why can I grab a ledge if I'm literally facing in the opposite direction? Why can I just 'push' people away off the ledge? Maybe ledge-hogging felt unintuitive, but the new mechanics feels doubly so.
>>321836146
>Fox's damage, endlag, and recovery were considerably adjusted
Up Smash kills about 10% later and firefox goes like 95% as far
Hungrybox would have won regardless, he outplayed the shit out of Armada in the last set.
Did anyone else manage to get the rest of hungrybox's nudes?
>>321836146
Very few people will argue that Fox isn't the best melee character. However, you'd have to be an ignorant memeshitter to think the game is fox only, or even close. In fact, there's a much smaller disparity between Fox and the other viable characters in melee than shiek and the other characters in sm4sh.
Also, there's no excuse for sm4sh ganondorf.
>>321836191
>I'm too retarded to recover intelligently, please do it for me sakurai
And off stage play became completely retarded. The end.
A case of the 'tism
>>321836701
>>321835236
Top meme
>>321837037
>what is gimping
>what is spiking
>>321837530
Sheik is the only character that has won a Sm4sh tourney m80.
So balanced indeed.
>>321837530
>6 characters out of 26
>7 characters out of ~52
>>321831183
shit game beloved by autists
>>321837663
Do you think about what you post or do you just bang on the keybord and see what sticks?
>>321837727
It's almost as if there are only 8 people and they only play 1-2 characters!
>>321837530
>a game with over twice as many characters
>can still only manage just barely more characters in top 8
wew lad
It's the most fun smash to play for me, the others aren't bad but they don't play like melee. I like the cast, I like the graphics, and I really like the gameplay. People always bring up the fact that it is unbalanced but it is only really unbalanced at the highest level of play.
It's really fun to pull of a combo when you l-cancel or wavedash into a combo, the game gives you a lot of freedom in your movement options.
>>321837973
Read: >>321837915
>>321837915
>Still no source to prove me wrong.
Sm4shbabbies everybody.
>>321831183
It was a party game that actually had good gameplay, and a high skill ceiling (the ceiling arguably hasn't even been reached yet, in fact)
Problem is, Smash Bros absolutely EXPLODED in popularity after Melee. In many ways I think Brawl and Sm4sh being kind of crappy is a case of Smash being victim to it's own success - the developers are put under so much pressure to represent Nintendo's legacy, whilst at the same time jerking off rosterfags, that they have no time or budget left over to balance the gameplay into anything nearly as deep or enduring as what Melee had.
Nintendo characters.
>>321831649
>>321831726
>>321832215
It's weird, I never thought I'd see the day when people are hating on the Melee. I guess it's a new generation of dick sucking faggots who probably grew up with brawl or smash 4.
So who gonna help develop Project M 2 since PMDT got rekt? Now that the Wii U's getting hacked, we can finally salvage this piece of shit game. Think of the possibilities.
>>321838049
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Apex_2015#Super_Smash_Bros._for_Wii_U_sing
Would you like a drink with that crow you'll be eating?
>>321831183
A bug ridden shitfest where autists can pretend exploiting bugs is a skill, same as speedcucks.
>>321837530
>one tournament
>ignoring that shiek is the only one who ever wins
>ignoring different roster sizes
>ignoring how terrible most characters are in sm4sh
Top cherrypicking.
>>321837629
>ridiculous recoveries result in maintaining safe center stage control the very best option for most matchups
>>321835626
Fox is literally top 8 everywhere and ZeRo has gotten shit on by WFT, Pikachu, Dr Mario etc.
Honest question, do you guys actually care how some people play a game? Even if melee wasn't intended to be played the way it is why does that bother you?
>>321838507
>>one tournament
>moving goalposts
You said "every tournament". That means 100% of all tournaments that have ever occurred, ZERO EXCEPTIONS!
>>ridiculous recoveries result in maintaining safe center stage control the very best option for most matchups
Now you're just typing incoherent memes.
>Melee and Sm4sh fags arguing over which game is better as a fighting game
It's like Indians fighting over which street is better to shit in
>>321838110
more like sakurai either doesn't understand why melee was good or he doesn't care to make the games good anymore
smash 64 and melee were fine casual games, there's literally no reason to casualize the series further
>>321838396
Really? You sound like such a reddit cock licker it isn't even funny. Did a melee player hurt your feelings you little homo?
>>321838624
>Honest question, do you guys actually care thatsome people play a game? Even if sm4sh wasn't memelee 2.0 why does that bother you?
>>321838396
Holy shit the hypocrisy of this post. I'd bet you've never been to any melee scene or even played with any real meleers.
Melee is like a casual smasher's boogeyman.
>>321838923
You sure proved me wrong! Good Job, fighting the good fight!
>>321838573
Maybe he's lost a game here and there but he's only lost a set to 2 characters if my information is still correct. Sonic and prepatch Luigi. Pretty sure Sheik/Diddy have won every single major, and most tournaments.
Low tiers get victories in Melee too, and Pikachu is like top 5 in 4 I don't get your point.
>>321838396
>this is what the average tr4shcuck sounds like
jesus christ
>>321838924
Sm4sh is fine in my opinion though. It's ok that it's different from melee. Any other arguments. (:
>>321831183
Tourneyfags
>>321831183
>>321838321
>>321835930
>le glitches and bugs meme :^)
I probably shouldn't even bother responding to bait like this, but I always find myself curious about this. I mean, firstly, Sakurai and co. knew about Wavedashing and intentionally kept it in, so there's that.
But EVEN IF you were to take Wavedashing, moonwalking and Jump-cancelled grabs out of Melee, you're still left with a good handful of competitive techniques like L-cancelling that were /definitely/ not glitches, but were removed in later incarnations anyway. Those, plus some things that just make no fucking sense at all in later incarnations. Melee had the best ledge-mechanics by far, and why is it that in Sm4sh if you do a run into a jump, none of the momentum from the run carries into the jump? That's not even 'competitive' shit, that's just bad game design.
Melee is a fundamentally more well-rounded game even if you were to fall for the glitches 'n' bugs meme and advocate the removal of wavecheating.
So yeah, 6.5/10 bait I guess, you squeezed a reply from me
>>321839205
>boogeyman
>>321838507
>>ridiculous recoveries result in maintaining safe center stage control the very best option for most matchups
Anon I have some bad newsCenter stage control is literally the most important thing in all Smash games
>>321831183
unintended glitches that were mistaken for deep mechanics.
>>321839439
>>boogeyman
>OP literally posted a picture of a tournament
Retard.
>>321831649
Well this guy found out. Next question anyone?
>>321831183
Nothing. It's just that people are nostalgic about it and don't like change
>>321831183
Anyone, no matter their skill level and intent to compete, could play the game and have a lot of fun. It had something for everyone.
>>321839381
>meleers are shitflinging name calling elitists
>proceeds to fling shit, call names, and be generally elitist
>but it's not hypocritical
Let me guess, you were only pretending to be retarded?
To this day I still believe that people who say Brawl is better than Sm4sh from a gameplay standpoint is fucking retarded and/or most likely baiting.
Wow everyone in this thread seems mad. Why not just let people play the way they like to and the game they prefer?
>>321839470
Yes, but threatening off stage is also a very important part of maintaining options in melee/pm. In fact, it's vital to many characters.
>>321839548
And how have they wronged you?
>>321839876
People actually say Brawl is better than Sm4sh? Who are these people?
Literally the only thing Brawl did right was providing the framework for Project M
>>321839716
>>meleers are shitflinging name calling elitists
Yes
>>proceeds to fling shit, call names, and be generally elitist
But you did it first. How come you're allowed to it?
>>321839942
Meleefags won't let me, or I lose my hardcore gamer membership.
>>321840063
Brawl fans of old are the same people who will just move onto the new game as soon as it comes out.
The same Smash 4 fans will be playing 5 next gen.
>>321836701
Smash 4 Ganondorf is a product of Melee's laziness with him. He's also not that bad. He's at his strongest, but he just gets destroyed by small, fast characters. F-smash uncharged kills as early as Marth's fully charged tipped F-smash.
Ganondorf actually sees some tourney play as a pocket for certain match ups, since he does very well against taller characters, like Falcon and Rosalina. His F-tilt can 3-shot Luma, and Ganondorf beats Rosie at neutral if she doesn't have Luma.
>>321840063
Read through this thread and spend time in smash threads. Then you'll see what i'm talking about.
>>321839876
Brawl introduced quite a few interesting new ATs, unlike sm4sh, and was the foundation for PM, which benefits from said ATs. So not better itself, but better in a roundabout way
>>321840075
I know a lot of melee players myself, my best friend is one, who don't care that I like both for different reasons. You sound like a whiner to me.
>>321840024
>And how have they wronged you?
You ruin everything sm4sh related such as chats and threads. You even fucked up Apex with your autism.
>>321840291
you're whiner, faggotron
>>321838396
Do you work at a movie theatre? You're the greatest projectionist I've ever seen.
>>321840075
I did what now? I'm sure you're ready to post examples that I, as the official representative of melee, a game I don't play, was namecalling, and that excuses you doing the same and changes the definition of hypocrisy.
>>321840158
I tend to stay away from Smash threads in general because they're cancer as fuck
>Meleefags waving their dicks about like every game on the market should be Melee, sperging about Hungrycocks
>Sm4shtards desperately trying to defend their game as competitive against the Melee neckbeards
>Project M fags just wanting to find some people to netplay with
>Sm4sh and Meleefags both gang up on PM players with the "ITS NOT EVEN A REAL GAME ITS A MOD" meme
>Smash 64 and Brawl players sit meekly in the corner, nobody is quite sure if they're too autistic to get involved, or not autistic enough
From what I've gathered in my time here
>>321840412
But Apex this year was a great fucking tournament, anon.The Melee part of it, anyway.
>>321840815
Dude PMfags are just as bad as Sm4shfags and Meleefags
>>321840412
K, lol. Just stop shitposting about "meleefags" when they probably give two shits about what you play. People who unironically use terms like "tr4shfag" or "memeleefag" are shitposters. Thanks for at least letting me know I was right by pissing you off.
>>321840815
This guy gets it
>>321840412
So what you're saying is your basing your opinion of meleers off /v/ and General Internetting?
Unlike you, I actually know meleers and sm4shers, and hang out with both groups. They're all pretty cool. Sm4sh, however, is shit, and has been the subject of my criticism ITT, because I'm intelligent enough to know the internet posts don't equal game communities.
>>321840985
Hey, I'm just speaking from personal experience here. PM guys seem to peddle their game just as much as Melee and Sm4sh guys do, but with less of an aggressive MY GAME IS THE ONLY WAY kind of manner
>>321840640
When does you're winter break end? I think I'll ask your mom after we're done tonight.
>>321840741
See: >>321839716 >>321838989>>321838157
>inb4 I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-IT W-W-W-W-W-W-W--W-W-W-W-W-WASN'T M-MM--M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-ME, I S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-SWEAR!
>>321840956
Oh, you mean the part that you wouldn't shut the fuckup about because meleefags have no since of consideration or human decency?
>>321840815
>>Project M fags just wanting to find some people to netplay with
More like Project autisM fags bawwing about how the big bad corporation tried sue PMDT (which didn't even happen)
>>321841104
>I was onlt pretending to be a name-calling meleefag
Alrighty then.
>>321833178
if you have a group of people at even skill levels you'll have fun no matter what you play. If the people you're playing with are of varying skill levels 1v1s aren't going to be fun.
>>321832232
>Superior balancing in SSB4
>Sheik and ZSS are the only characters to dominate tournaments
What are you smoking?
As bad as Melee was (yes fanboys, Melee has flaws), it wasn't as imbalanced as 'Meta Knight: The Game' or 'The Legend of Shiek'.
>>321841228
>I'm a supreme intelligent gentleman bcuz i playz teh melee!
*dibs bephora*
>>321841390
I don't get it, I was talking about PM, not Melee. I also didn't specify which game I play (all five of them, plus PM). Did you respond to the wrong guy, bro?
>>321841228
Because they know they're playing a mod that isn't fully supported by any real majors. What can they really say?
>>321832597
But Melee is fun no matter how you play it.
>>321841390
Meant for: >>321841215
>>321841576
that it plays better
>>321834962
You say that like it's a good thing. This game is so old that it's practically impossible for new bloods to make it to the top. At least, it's possible to beat Daigo and JWong in a match in SFIV if you gitgud enough.
Why do people bother with Meele when the same few people are going to be winning tournaments?
>>321841259
>if I use buzzwords and long drawn out insults clearly I'll then be right
Cutest shitposter I've seen in a while. Hopefully winter break ends soon so you can go back to school.
>>321841684
[citation needed]
>>321841259
Posts one and two were literally just breakdowns of why you were being a hypocrite. Facts aren't name calling. Post three wasn't me, and wasn't even bad compared to what you posted.
>>321841910
>that insult made my bottom sore, so i'll just use back at him
MAXIMUM OVERK E K
>>321841259
>Oh, you mean the part that you wouldn't shut the fuckup about because meleefags have no since of consideration or human decency?
Yeah, how dare an audience's behavior and actions reflect what they actually want to watch. Absolutely unheard of.
>>321842049
(^:
>>321841668
That's fine. When you have nothing reasonable to say, just meme.
>>321842026
You called me a shitfinging name calling elitist, but when I called you one, you got assmand.
>>321842180
So, if I go to your wavecheating 20xx furfest and shout MELEE SUX SM4SH LIFE ad nauseum, that would be okay?
>>321842247
>implying your post was reasonable
K E K
E
K E K
I think the reason people hate competitive melee or smash as a whole is because it goes against what they want the game to be. These people look at other people enforcing "arbitrary rules" and say "Hey, melee is about having fun with lots of random items and wacky stages, not APM intensive movements". These are effectively the same people who don't like speed running, because they think glitches are cheating, and they see people playing games that they enjoyed as a child in a way which is fundamentally different to how they enjoyed them.
And anyone who says this is an arrogant fucking prick. If you don't like how people play competitive smash, then don't fucking play it. You are just acting like fucking entitled man children crying on the sideline because people are enjoying themselves.
>>321842527
>So, if I go to your wavecheating 20xx furfest and shout MELEE SUX SM4SH LIFE ad nauseum, that would be okay?
Sure. You'd be the only one doing it so no one would give a fuck.
>>321841259
>Oh, you mean the part that you wouldn't shut the fuckup about because meleefags have no since of consideration or human decency?
Oh shit.
I did not want to reminded about that, but that was just the worst display of behaviour.
That, added with their general bullshit about how Melee is the best fighting game ever, and that only having 2-4 characters viable is a symptom of a perfect fighting game with depth, made me want to quit.
And I ended up leaving. Sometimes I consider playing other fighting games, before I realise I almost have nothing to play on for those games (PC is a potato).
But yeah, autism (if you want to call it that) sucks.
>>321841917
Well that's what all of these X game vs. Y game arguments boil down to anyway
>my game is better
>no, MY game is better!
>nooooo, MY GAME IS BETTER
>both sides start autistically frothing at the mouth
>>321842586
>IF U H8 FAWKES ONRY WAVEYIFFING U R MANCHILD
>>321842936
>le fox only final destination wavecheating meme
when will this meme die?
>>321842527
So, let's see if I get your logic.
>shitfling and name call people, while accusing them of being shitflinging name callers
>called out on hypocrisy
>tries to claim its not hypocrisy because someone else did it, even if they didn't, not that it matters, because pointing out hypocrisy is shitflinging and namecalling
Did I get it?
And can you show me any vids of someone going to a sm4sh event and doing that, or is this more boogeyman'ing?
>>321834186
even casual play in smash 4 feels bad, it takes so fucking long for anything to die that it's just not fun
they ruined the smash formula with brawl
>>321842936
More men ring in place of actual counterpoints.
>>321843273
>men ring
I know I used the word memeing before so why is it autocorrecting now?
>>321843067
When it stops being true.
>>321843106
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apex+2015+melee+chant
>shitfling and name call people, while accusing them of being shitflinging name callers
you were being a shitflinging namecaller
>tries to claim its not hypocrisy because someone else did it, even if they didn't
Except you did. Shill harder.
>>321831183
Autism.
Ever notice how Melee and Project M players are always talking smack about Sm4sh as a game, and how Melee is mechanically better, the flaws of Sm4sh, and so on
Whereas Sm4shers and other people tend to resort to ad hominem arguments or cop-outs (lol it's onli party game bro), rather than defending their game and explaining how it's mechanically better in their eyes?
>>321831183
It's filled with people who don't want to play any real competitive fighting games
>>321843698
ever notice how fucking sad it is that theres apparently a schism between fans of the same series of what are almost completely identical fucking games
the smash community is by far the most autistic community in all of gaming, aside from speedrunners, who all have diagnosed severe fundamental autism
>>321843698
>Ever notice how Melee and Project M players have a fuckhuge chip on their shoulder and sm4shers are down to earth and aren't arrogant faggotrons?
Why yes, I have. No need to thank us sm4shers, just trying to make the community better.
>>321843579
So even though you've already shown you were wrong about me name calling, you're still going for it? I admire your dedication at least.
That kind of single minded autistic drive would definitely help you got gud at melee.
I wanted to defend Smash 4's gameplay choices and I did at first, but as time went on and I played it a lot more I got frustrated at how campy the game can be and how extremely lame I have to play so I can actually win. I come from a KOF background so yeah, I do like more aggressive gameplay and I never really got into Smash until 4 to be honest, but I can see why Melee fans trash it. Sakurai seems to claim this is all for fun for everybody, but honestly, SOMEBODY is going to get frustrated no matter what playing this way. Frustration is also just an inherent part of gaming because that is part of climbing trees of challenge, but it's so overemphasized here and discourages even playing the game as a game and not as a social activity--assuming you can even get friends who'd want to play this over something like Halo or Cawadoody. There are other games normies are more interested in playing than Nintendo games, so the gameplay should have focused on playing like a game.
Such a shame, because this had to be Little Mac's first time in the series.
>>321843860
>what are almost completely identical fucking games
tbqh f.a.m.o it definitely sounds like you're trying to bait some autism out of people right there. Melee and Sm4sh are similar games like Tekken and Skullgirls are similar games. I see the point you're making though
>>321843860
>almost identical
wat
>>321843752
But there will be a Capcom Cup player in bracket :^)
>>321843972
>insulting people is better than criticizing a game
ok pham
>>321844086
its the same fucking game dude how could they be any different
to someone who doesnt play them the gameplay of every game looks identical. its not like tekken and skullgirls because those games clearly require different skill sets and inputs and play a lot differently
smash games look like a retread of the first game since the beginning, how are they significantly different? SIGNIFICANTLY different, not little fucking differences like one move added or something
>>321844114
Both of them are just casual party games
It's so much faster. Smash 4 everyone takes forever to die.
>>321843978
>So even though you've already shown you were wrong about me name calling, you're still going for it?
You are such a lying homofaggotron it's not even funny. Maybe I should tell your mom what a dishonest Jew she raised after I fuck her.
>>321844296
>I-I-I-I-I-I-I--I-II- DIDN'T INSULT ANY1 I S-S-S-S-S-S--SWEAR!
ok pham
>>321844326
It's the same like every shooting game is the same because you click on something until they die.
>>321844332
>citizen Kane and 50 shades of grey are both movies
>>321844448
TOP MEME!
>>321844326
I want to admire your shitposting ability but this thread is already a sea of shitposts.
>>321844578
Fucking retard, 50 shades of gray is a book.
>>321843698
It makes sense that melee players are the angry ones. They were the ones abandoned by the developers.
>>321844530
but its not you are massively massively overexaggerating the differences
the gameplay is the same, you have a shield, theres items unless you are autistic, people can throw and have a few attacks and a super move or whatever, and you grab ledges all day and double jump off the side of the screen when youre about to fall off
thats all smash gameplay has EVER LOOKED LIKE to someone who doesnt play them, its been totally unchanging, i guess you didnt have the shield at first?
>>321844471
Is this this the part where you say you were just trolling the whole time, then you tell your friends how much you rekt me on vee?
better movement than any other videogame ever
>>321844735
You have a gun. You shoot people. You can switch to your second gun and melee.
If you don't know the differences that's fine but don't talk about things you clearly have no idea about.
It's the fastest fighting game ever
>>321844735
I mean to be honest, all 2d fighters look the same to me. However, I'm not naive enough to say that street fighter is identical to mortal kombat.
>>321844713
So, it's not also a movie? If I Google it, I won't get any results?
>>321844720
Only a hundred assmad autists were "abandoned" and if you feel abandoned because some guy accross a fucking ocean decided to playtest his games from now on, then you are autistic, plane and simple
>>321844778
U mad, bro?
>>321844847
Melee player here. You should play armored core for answer.
>>321844976
>>321844909
you guys keep making the same argument but not 1 person has clarified what the significant differences are between the smash games
you keep making allusions to other games and genres. What are the significant differences between the SMASH GAMES to an outsider?
If they're so significant why is every single person dodging the question and throwing out straw men?
>>321845156
Depends on which Armored Core.
>>321845019
Ok, cool, just checking.
It's fucking Insane how big Melee has become. I think it's just a really good game with the most passionate fanbase out of any community. There is no other fanbase on Earth that loves their game as much as meleefags.
>>321841684
They can say that, but I don't agree with it.
I had a PM phase and tried it out for a few months, but it's so janky that it takes me out of it. Plus it's full of auto combos. If you don't like having to put in effort to connect things, then yeah, it "plays better." I can't get past the fact that it's fan made and they hand crafted these combos. In Melee, you have to hit sour spots to string things perfectly. In PM, unless the character is lifted directly from Melee, the combos are just free.
It's why nearly every PM player can't hang in melee. Professor Pro is the only one that can stay up there, but he still gets dumped on.
>>321845260
Yeah, u mad af broham
It's what happens when a new game in a series specifically caters to a specific group instead of making it enjoyable for everyone. Alienating a specific group of people is just despicable.
>come to /v/ for any game
>remember why this place is shit
It's you people. IRL communites are great.
This is a shithole.
>>321845205
>to an outsider
Do you want differences that somebody who doesn't play smash would notice? Because there aren't many (or any). But that goes for most genres.
>>321845205
No one cares what the game looks like to people who don't care about the game, it's about how it plays to the player. Meleers like melee because it's fast and skill intensive, sm4shers like sm4sh because they don't have to learn dozens of different difficult input options to play a game.
>>321845219
I said for answer.
>>321845205
Those aren't straw men but there are very abundant and vast differences that you'll just disregard. Ledge, footstool, physics, rage, jab reset, among tons of other changes. Wario alone has tons of unique properties (and glitches) just coming from Brawl. Comparing Melee to 4 and asking me to name every change would take so fucking long.
I can elaborate more but I really don't want to spend all night on 1 of those subjects. I can give you a little more info if you want.
>>321844735
Melee and Tr4sh(itty shitty bang bang) are more different from each other than any two instalments of the same fighting series if you actually care about gameplay
>>321845019
When a developer does a complete 180 in design philosophy and alienates a portion of players, those players have a right to be pissed. Also wavedashing is not a glitch and l-cancelling was intentional.
>>321845567
I only come here for shitposting now. Even twitch chat is more intelligent than this place at this point.
>>321845630
>Ledge, footstool, physics, rage, jab reset, among tons of other changes
so basically *tiny* mechanical changes the kind that every single series goes through as it progresses.
what I thought.
>>321845205
Alright anon, but your casual mind may not understand what I'm talking about because it's hard.
Melee, thanks to exploits in the engine allows players to have basically no limits on their characters regarding execution, allowing for fast paced, execution heavy, high skill celling gameplay, this, along with the hitstun and L-canceling makes the game even more fun to watch and play.
Smash 4 and Brawl remove all of this, making the games slower, dull, boring. Along with other shitty things like decreased hitstun or floatier gravity, it's just not fun to play as a competitive game anymore.
Again, you probably don't get it but for a competitive audience this matters a lot, even the slightiest change can make a huge difference, and that's also why, while looking the same, other fighting games have secuels that are completively diferent.
I though Smash went to shit with Brawl due to people playing on nothing but FInal Destination and sometimes Battlefield. Then Smash 4 introduces Omega stages which all stages now have the FD variation.
At least with Melee since in that BF and FD are unlockable stages, and if you are tired of people playing on those 2, delete the unlocked stages data and there ya go.
>>321831183
Autism
>>321845636
>Melee and Tr4sh(itty shitty bang bang) are more different from each other than any two instalments of the same fighting series if you actually care about gameplay
Try several successions of Fatal Fury games (including MOTW) and come back to me and say that again with a straight face.
>>321845721
I didn't say they were. Meleefags can't read I see
>>321845990
I don't play dead/shit games
>>321845792
I mean I guess changes in any game series don't matter. I forgot that the newest one is always better but is also always the same except when you specifically want it to be different.
Everyone and their mom will recognize ledge and physics differences, and I'm betting most players will learn about rage as well. Some of those are a little deeper than anyone can see, I'll give you that, but what were you looking for? Them to shoot each other while collecting money in space? Is that what it takes for it to be different?
>brand new game with modern graphics and gameplay and more characters can't even attract more players/viewers than a decade old predecessor
JUST
>>321845819
the final destination meme isn't real. Most top Melee players don't even like FD because it's not as neutral as others.
>>321846025
Doesn't matter what you play or don't play, don't try to make up shit that gets discredited immediately. We already know Smashfags don't play anything but Smash anyway.
>>321845801
Latching on to this guys point, here's a video that may help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8
Basically, since there is the potential for more complicated actions in shorter time frames, the difference in skill between players has the most room to show. When a player is significantly better than their opponent in melee, they will completely demolish them, more so than sm4sh or brawl.
>>321845636
>Tr4sh(itty shitty bang bang)
You have to be 18 or older to use this site, kiddy kiddy bang bang
>>321846110
>why can't people stop playing Doom? can't they just see that Call of Duty is better in every way?
>>321846110
The real reason is that people are so busy playing sm4sh that they don't have time for tournaments, where as meleespergs can't find any friends as autistic as them, so they have to watch other autists play melame.
>>321843182
If you play Sm4sh like melee of course you're gonna have matches that drag.
the changes they made to edge guarding are what you need to look into to squeeze the same level of play that melee players are doing.
>>321846479
I wonder if more people are playing Melee now than Smash 4. Could be interesting to find out.
>>321846680
Competitively yes, but overall not yet.
Wait till next year.
>>321846585
Sad to say, the changes to the edgeguarding game and the land lag on aerial shield are the only things I like about Tr4sh's mechanics. It's a shame the other parts of the game didn't join in on being just as good.
>>321846680
I hope so, because even though I don't really care for Melee either, I think this should be a note to Sakurai that more people do value gameplay that is actual gameplay and not some kind of "haha, whoa, I press durr buttons!!! So random fun XZD"
Man /v/ you bi polar bitch
One Melee thread can be filled with actual discussion but niggas like>>321831649
always gotta turn it into a Melee hate thread
>>321846170
Latching onto your post with purely anecdotal backing
I mentioned earlier I hang with both meleers and sm4shers despite being a PMer. I decided to play with the sm4shers, who were the best in a decently competitive university town. I was able to hold my own in a game I don't play solely because the skill floor/ceiling was so low, i was able to get by on reads and punishes. Even won some. Played Mar th lucina the whole time.
Another time I got a meleer to join me in PM. His Falco rolled me 34 to 2, despite him not playing the game. His melee fundamentals and superior tech skill carried him, since they transferred over from melee.
I only beat him in Mar th dittos, never beat his Falco.
>>321846986
>aerial shield
>shield
Pbbbt you know what I meant, fuck. Dodge
>>321846680
More people play sm4sh overall but a quick trip /ssbg/ would show you the ridiculous amount of online warriors that will never go to an offline tournament. As opposed to Melee where online is shit and pretty much 100% of people playing are invested in the comp scene
>Having such a massive fucking ego that you forcefully shove a chart to show how many entered
>>321846479
Tr4sh is boring as FUCK to watch. Everyone recovers for free, there's hardly any combos and people live too long. Puts me to sleep desu.
>>321847050
Melee threads exist fine when they aren't baiting arguments like this one
>Singles
Yeah no shit
Seriously though, we need these jerk offs to focus Smash Wii U on Team battles, it's a lot more exciting to watch than shitty singles, especially the advantage of 3v3 which is 10/10 and extremely underrated
>>321847050
Not much of a hate thread. As far as I can see it's a battle between an equal amount of shitposters on both sides.
>>321847341
We need more or any Sm4sh only tournaments for that to ever happen.
>>321847106
Do you think you're special because you went to an offline tournament for waveyiffers?
>>321847241
>Everyone recovers for free
Lrn2gimp
Lrn2Spike
Like, half the cast has a spike.
>people live too long
I've seen People die at 50%
>>321847241
>hardly any combos
>sheik fair to fair to fair to fair to down b
>zss up airs and Baird
>metaknight up airs
Come on there are plenty of combos.
>>321847536
How many stocks is sm4sh played with again?
>>321847536
It's often too risky to go offstage and attempt to spike. Too risky might be a poor choice of words.
It's smarter to stay on stage and keep positioning than to go deep. And you NEED to go very deep in Smash 4 because every recovery is good, especially with ledge snap. Except Little Mac and now Cloud.
>>321847776
As many as you want :^)
>>321843579
Most people don't like FD, it's mostly BF
>>321847776
Oh man, remember those 1 stock brawl games which would last 8 minutes because the timer ran out?
>>321842831
Half of Melee's cast placed in top 8's at big tournaments this year. And what's funny is that fox actually lost more than tr4sh sheik did. The fucking irony.
>>321847776
Actually the low stock count contributes to slow gameplay, everyone wants to play super safe because losing a stock is 50% of your game over, it's fucking retarded
>>321847536
>I've seen People die at 50%
Is that supposed to impress us?
>>321847871
>It's often too risky to go offstage and attempt to spike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkk5JvNsID0
>>321848138
You really just linked an Alpharad for glory video. I'm actually impressed. You're fucking good. Easy pickings I guess, should've seen it coming.
>>321848138
>online battles
>all those autistic memes
Smash 4 players everyone.
>>321847536
I said boring as fuck to WATCH. And people regularly die at <10% in Melee because gimping and edgeguarding are actual viable strategies that weren't nerfed to shit to pander to casuals.
>>321848113
No, it's supposed to correct you're retarded memespouting.
>>321848025
Do you know how many sm4sh characters were in top 8
>>321848296
>>321848246
>WAAAAAH THAT GUY REMINDS ME HOW MUCH I SUXX0RZ SO IT DOESN'T COUNT!
Melee players, everyone
