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When will we get more villain characters in Smash?
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When will we get more villain characters in Smash?
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Luigi, Diddy, and Yoshi are main characters, but yeah Smash needs more villians.
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>>321537910
>King DDD
>Villain
>Not the hero Dreamland deserves
You dun fucked up son
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Not a K.Roolfag, but he really should have been included.

Vaati would have been nice to see, he would have been unique in his playstyle for sure.

I know some people are against have two characters from "guest" series, but Eggman would have been neat
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>>321538062
They had games where they were the protagonist, but they're no more main characters than Peach is.
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>>321537910
Robin and Lucina should both be under the same category together. You can argue that Robin, Lucina and Chrom are all the main characters of Awakening, or Robin an Lucina are major supporting characters.
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>>321539339
>Lucina can die without a gameover
She's literally classified as not important.
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why are you asking, There are no more characters coming out.

mfw no Dark Samus, no Midna, no Shadow, Ridley, Goku, no other f Zero Pilot, no Wolf, no Icies, no James Mccloud costume...
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>>321539490
>lucina on the box
>lucina on the cartridge
>robin on neither
>entire second half is her story

Sure thing buddy.
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>Mewtwo
>Duck Hunt
>Not Villains

>Dedede
>Villain

Stop
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When Nintendo makes more important and noteworthy villains that are actually feasible for Smash.

Ridley's too big, K. Rool hasn't been an important character in the DK series since DK64 back in 1999, and characters like Hades, Black Knight, Vaati, Ghirahim, etc aren't important enough to their series or Nintendo to warrant an inclusion.

Bowser Jr. was basically the last villain left who was well-known/recurring enough to be playable.
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>>321537910
>robin not a villain
>shulk not a villain
>fucking wario not a villain
>pikachu not main
>mewtwo and greninja not villains
>lucina not main
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>>321539807
This.

Without a doubt, Chrom is the main character with Lucina and Robin being extremely important supporting characters. The arbitrary rule of "they can die without a gameover" doesn't really apply, because Lucina doesn't die if she falls in battle.

>>321540000
Mewtwo isn't a villain. In the only canon where he could be considered a villain is the anime, but at the end of the only single movie where he's antagonistic, he has a change of heart at the end, and then goes on to buddy buddy up with Ash and co in their faggy adventures.

In the games, he plays no villainous role whatsoever. Mewtwo does nothing antagonistic to the player, with nearly everything it does being in the grey. The worst it's done is destroy Cinnabar lab, then flee, but given that it was originally protrayed as more feral, I'd say that's a pretty logical outcome.
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>>321539807
Entire second half is Robin's story. Lucina is barely needed and relevant throughout the story.
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>>321540370
How is Chrom the main character? Things are told from Robin's perspective and Robin is the one who has an acient prophecy and stuff about him. Chrom just provides an army.
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>>321540370
>franchise holds a perma-death mechanic as a main feature
>only a few select characters are exempt from this for story purposes
>Lucina is not one of the exceptions, Chrom and Robin are
>but she's still just as important!
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>>321540652
>forgetting that lucina actually doesn't die
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>>321540370
The game is barely about Chrom. It all becomes Robin, Robin, Robin after a while.

Lucina's importance is around characters like Lissa and Frederick. Not dying in battle doesn't really matter too much, because a shitload of character if that game retreat instead of dying. In fact, less of half of them die, which is pretty weird for a Fire Emblem.
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>>321540771
Neither do mother characters because of time fuckery, but they're just as unimportant.
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>>321540771
Neither does fucking Titania in FE9 and 10, but that doesn't make her the main character.
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>>321537910
Smash 5
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>>321540000

Mewtwo isn't a villain, he's neutral

Unless we're talking anime mewtwo in which case he's an ex villain
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>>321540967
I like how in FE10, anyone besides Ike and that white haired bitch can die in the last segment. Even Mist or the rulers of other countries.
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>>321540631
How is he not the main character? Even Nintendo themselves said he is. He's on the box. He's the main lord. Both parts of the campaign focus just as much on him, in fact, more so on him given Robin's small amount of inclusion in the first part.

The only thing "through Robin's perspective" are a couple cutscenes done that way to avoid re-animating hundreds of different variations depending on how you customize them. Just as many of them are done through Chrom's perspective. He's also in every single one of them. Robin's not.
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Are there any Nintendo villains of note?
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>>321537910
>Fire Emblem up the ass because Japs and Teenagers eat that shit up

The Japanese ruined Smash Brothers.
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>>321541204
Chrom and Robin are both the main characters. They are the only two characters that are actually important in the story.
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OP image is missing Wario and Greninja, who are officially categorized as villains.

The Smash incarnation of Mewtwo is also based off the anime version as evidenced by its moveset and referential voice clips present in the Japanese version, so it's a villain too.
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>>321541235

>Not wanting to play as badass swordmen
>Wanting to play as more "wahoo haiii yipeee xD" toddler characters

Let smash grow up fagboy
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>>321541430
Mewtwo's not a villain even in the anime.

Saying edgy mean things doesn't make you evil.
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>>321541227
Aside from Ridley and K.Rool

Pig Ganon, Vaati, Star Wolf (No idea why he was taken out instead of Falco), Pokey Minch, Medusa, plus a bunch of odd mario villains who could easily be given a slot.
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>>321537910

Didn't Wario originated as a villain?
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>>321541547
Yes, he's like Dedede as the villain. First game he's the main villain, then in most other games he's an anti-hero.
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>>321541547
Wario has had too many of his own games though. He's main character class at this point.
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>>321541461
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>>321541830
Yeah but Wario's pretty much the villain in all the Warioware games too. He's the final boss and usually the cause of whatever is wrong.
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>>321541547
There should be another category for more in-between characters like Wario.

He's a villain initially, then a hero in his own games all while having an anti-hero esque approach to him, and will still act antagonistic to Mario in spin-off's implying Nintendo still sees him as a foil of some sort to Mario.
Not to mention his name literally means Bad Mario.

There's also Dedede who is the closest thing Kirby has to a reoccuring main villain, but helps him out often/seems like a generally okay, if not greedy guy. MK and Dark Pit are straight anti-heroes that have helmed the protagonistic spot at times. Robin is sort of an odd one, depends on what you view as his true identity. In a way he's a villain, in a way, he's a seperate entity resulted from a villain. Hard to say on that one.
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>>321541547
Wario is just a greedy fuck that stole Mario's castle while he was out. Mario then stole Wario's treasure in Wario Land 1, so it evens out.
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>>321537910
Robin, technically DK for Mario, Mr. Game and Watch, Dark Pit, Meta Knight and ROB are villians. And Mewtwo and Greninja are villians to Sakurai too.
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>>321542225
Greninja isn't anything. It's no more a villain than Magmar.
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Wario and Mewtwo are villains
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>>321541461
I wouldn't mind so much if all the swordsmen didn't play the same.
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I want sans for Smash.
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>>321541430
>>321542225
Is this a new meme?
If Greninja is a villain then Charizard is too
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>>321537910
>Mewtwo
>Wario
>Metaknight
>Dark Pit
>Duck Hunt
>Robin
>not villains
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>>321542649

Yeah because Cloud and Roy play totally the same, or shulk and marth.

Fuck not even roy and marth play the same, roy is about short hopping neutral air approaches with tilts into side smashes and general brute force, while marth is more of a frame trapping character that focuses on spacing that fakes approaches by air and tries to land tippers.

>but their attacks look the same XD

Fucking shitters
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>>321543013
This so goddamn much, anyone that thinks roy and marth are the same are retards or clone memesters
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>Medusa
>Hades
>EGGMAN
>Dr. Willy
>K. Rool
>Dark Matter
>Pig Ganon
>Toon Ganondorf
>Giygas
>Porky
>Black Shadow
>Blood Falcon
>Ridley
>Dark Samus
>Sylux
>Wolf
>Captain Syrup
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Kamek / Kammy Koopa
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>>321543013
>THEY'RE SO DIFFERENT
>In a game where we have characters like Duck Hunt, Bjr, and Villager
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>>321537910
>Roy is a main character, but Luigi, Yoshi, and Diddy Kong are not

>Implying DK isn't both a Main and a villain
>Dark Pit, not a villain just because he goes all faggy in the end like Vegeta and Shadow
>Zelda, the most important character in the franchise, not a main
>ROB not support
>Wii Fit Trainer not support


But agreed. Game desperately needed more villains, which is why K. Rool or another F-Zero rep (NOT Blood Falcon or Shadow. Samurai Goro would have been ideal but LOL ASSIST TROPHIES) would have been fucking supreme.
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>>321537910
>mewtwo not villain
>wario not villain
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>>321543449

>HAHA I EXAGGERATE YOUR ARGUMENT LMAO DO I WIN YET CHECK THIS GREENTEXT OUT

Nice meme retard.

I said they don't play the same, which they don't. I didn't say they were completely different characters, both have a similar style but ultimately their frames and hitboxes as well as overall speed means both need to be played with a different approach.
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>>321543670
Wario is more of an antihero than a villain.
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>>321543701
Your dedication to ignoring my point is sad and it makes me laugh. And if simplifying an argument is a meme then you did it first, memer.

Just because you play two anime swordsmen differently doesn't mean they're fucking boring compared to the rest of the cast, most of all visually. It's especially heinous because there's characters in Fire Emblem that are much more interesting.
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>Metaknight not villain
>Wario not villain
>Yoshi not main
>Pikachu not main
>ROB not support
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smash stopped being fun after brawl

I've grown up and moved on, why don't you?
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>>321543920
>Just because you play two anime swordsmen differently doesn't mean they're fucking boring compared to the rest of the cast, most of all visually.

And who the fuck gives a fuck what your opinion on "how boring they are" is? The fact of the matter is you claimed all swordmen characters "played the same", they don't, objectively. P-E-R-I-O-D.

If you believe they do then you're a fucking scrub shitter who plays them the same and then comes up with these retarded arguments, your point is invalid and is based on ignorance, just because you don't know how to play the characters and you play them all the same doesn't mean they actually do.
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>>321543613


>Implying DK isn't both a Main and a villain
This DK and the one in the arcades aren't the same. The arcade DK is now Cranky.
>Dark Pit, not a villain just because he goes all faggy in the end like Vegeta and Shadow
Dark Pit was never evil either. More of a rival, but comparing to Vegeta and Shadow somes them up, because they are essentially neutral turned good.
>Zelda, the most important character in the franchise, not a main
Never playable in a single one of them. Always providing support, whether its light arrows in WW or Ghost mode in Spirit Tracks. She is as supports as it gets.
>ROB not support
I sorta agree, but then again he is a toy.
>Wii Fit Trainer not support
Never played game so no idea.
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>>321544175

>smash stopped being fun after melee

Fixed.
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>>321544412
>brawl wasn't a fun game to play casually
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>>321544482

It was average and smash 4 is way more fun than brawl, so your claim that the game stopped being fun after brawl makes no sense.
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>>321544589
What? I'm saying smash never stopped being fun. Brawl was fun and smash 4 is fun.
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>>321537910
Wario was a villain (not antihero, VILLAIN) in his very first appearance.
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>>321544369
>This DK and the one in the arcades aren't the same. The arcade DK is now Cranky.

I know, faggot. I wasn't talking about the arcade games.

You...do know about Nintendo's games for the past fifteen years, right? Mario vs Donkey Kong is a prime example where he's a villain.

>Dark Pit was never evil either. More of a rival, but comparing to Vegeta and Shadow somes them up, because they are essentially neutral turned good.

They became school yard villains.

>Never playable in a single one of them.
>THE MAIN CHARACTER IS ALWAYS THE PLAYABLE CHARACTER

I hate you retards so much. Miyamoto specifically said that many of Nintendo's games, specifically his own, are named after the main character of the titles. The playable character is usually nothing more than a puppet for the player to project themselves onto.

>Never played game so no idea.

The balance board is more of a main character than the Wii Fit Trainer. Wii Fit has no main character, unless you wanna start including the Miis as main characters in every Wii Sports title.
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Robin is a villain
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>>321544856
And since then he's been an antihero.
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>>321537910
Mewtwo was villain in the 1st movie if that means anything
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>>321544856

So are every single other antihero that ever fucking existed in the history of literature/story telling.
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What if Smash Bros only allowed one hero and one villain per franchise?
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>>321545301
If that were the case, some "anti-heroes" and "ex-villains" would definitely need to be classified as villains, Like Dedede for example.
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Put G&W in Other. He has has no concept of good and evil. The Pokemon who can't talk should be in other also
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>>321544951
only if he had any Grima-related moves, which he doesn't
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>>321537910
Didn't Melee treat Mewtwo like a villain?
I think he was with Ganondorf and Giga Bowser for one event?
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>Forgetting that Meta Knight, Charizard, ROB, Game & Watch, Lucina, Villager, and Little Mac are all villains now
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>>321545301
>Pac and Ghosts
>Mega Man and Wily
>Mac and...Hippo, I guess?
>Olimar and Plasm Wraith
>Pit and Hades
>Samus and Bigley
>Marth and Medeus
>Sanic and Eggman
>Mario and Bowser
>Dong and K. Rool
>Kirby and...eh, Dedede counts
>Villager and...Tom Nook?
>Shulk and Mumkhar
>Wii Fit Trainer and...hmm
>Link and Dorf
>Falcon and Goroh
>Cloud and Nothin Personnel
>Ryu and Bison
>Ness and Porky
>Fox and Wolf or some kind of working Andross
mite b cool
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>>321545724
Dark is not always evil Anon, heck in Bayonetta so far every angel is a villain
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>>321544682

>smash stopped being fun after brawl

>What? I'm saying smash never stopped being fun.
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>>321545724
>Shulk's rival is ROB
Subtle.
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>>321545732
Mewtwo would probably work as Pokemon's villain too, with Pikachu being the hero.

I'm sure a game like this would anger the fuck out of everyone because of all the cuts, but I think it could be neat.
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>>321545732
>Hippo
>Not Mr. Sandman
Hippo is small time
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>>321545724
This is some of my favorite video game artwork ever.
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I want Phoenix Wright in this game so bad
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>DK and Wario
>not villains
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>>321545724
>ROB is a villain because of what he did during the events of the subspace emissary
>Even though he was forced to kill his own people against his will, he cannot forgive himself
>His boxing ring title is "The last of his kind"

ROB....... had a hard life......................
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>>321545732
Right, now add all these villains to the game and it's set.
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>>321545732
Yoshi and Kamek would work.
Wario and Captain Syrup maybe?
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My dick wanted Medusa over Palutenia
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>>321537910
I'd put Wario, Mewtwo, Dedede, Metaknight, Dark Pit, and maybe DK in a "varying morality" section or something like that.
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>>321537910
Robin is a villain
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>>321544334
I wasn't the guy you originally replied to though. I just wanted to remind you that your anime swordhomos suck.
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>>321545732
>>321545301
I'd say separate it into good, evil, and neutral characters
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>Ridley
>K. Rool
>Wolf
>Black Shadow
>Porky
>Robotnik
>Hades

pls for Smash 5 samurai
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>>321537910
Well you would need villains that could actually work. Not counting all the guest character series, that leaves

>Punch-Out
you could have another boxer, but either it would just be a LM clone, or too awkward to try and make extremely different from LM
>Pikmin
all his 'villains' are wildlife, and very few of them actually have a proper anatomy for Smash
>Kid Icarus
Hades maybe, or Medusa who would most likely be a Palutena clone
>Fire Emblem
too many choices and the series is already saturated with characters as is
>Mario
already got Bowser and Jr + Koopalings
>DK
K Rool, but considering Nintendo refuses to use him there may be some bad dealings with Rare regarding him
>Kirby
considering most Kirby villains are giant eldritch horrors, DDD and MK are as close to villains as we'll get
>Zelda
already have Ganondorf and hardly any other Zelda villain would compare
>Metroid
Riddles, but he's a whole other can of worms
>F-Zero
Black Shadow maybe? Unless F-Zero gets a new game, they're probably just gonna stick with Falcon
>Starfox
again Wolf is the closest thing to a villain that would actually work
>Pokemon
Mewtwo is the closest thing to an evil Pokemon period

and then the rest of the series don't even have anything that comes close to a hero or a villain
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>People insisting Mewtwo is a villian

Fucking christ, have you people played Pokemon ever?

I'd suggest that you only watched the Anime, but Mewtwo is a villian only the first movie, and changes his ways and becomes a supporting character from then on out, so

Where the fuck are you people getting your information?
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>>321537910
OUTTA MY WAY KOOPA FUCKING SHITS
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Wario, Mewtwo, Metaknight, and Duck Hunt can all be considered villains.
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>>321537910
>shulk
>not a villain
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They should be a villain if they debuted as a villain in their original game.

Wario and Meta Knight belong as villains.

DK wasn't in the original Donkey Kong so he stays main.
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>>321547280
Fuck off Zanza.
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>>321538062
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>>321547649
>Dark Pit
>Villain
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>no entry in Main for Pokemon
Who the fuck would even be the main character for Pokemon if not Pikachu? You could argue Pokemon Trainer, but he's not in Sm4sh.
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>>321547649
Wait, Robin I get but Shulk?
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>>321540423
not that guy but I had never played Awakening before Robin got into Smash. At that time I knew who Lucina was but not who Robin was. Lucina and Chrom are the face of that game, not Robin
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>>321537910
>>321547649
>Pikachu not in main
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>>321547097
because even in the first game it's implied that it murders a bunch of scientists on Cinnabar Island
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>People wanted more females in Smash
>Smash 4 adds Wii Fit Trainer, Female Villager, Female Robin, Lucina, Wendy O. Koopa, Rosalina, Female Corrin, and Bayonetta. Thus adding 8 more females
Will Smash 5 do the same with villains?
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>>321537910
When will we get Daisy in Smash?
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>>321537910
>>321547649
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>>321544412
>smash stopped being fun after 64

Fixed.
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>>321548478
Shulk is a villain
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Needs more trams characters
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>>321537910
This villain for Smash
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>>321548482
>smash was never fun

Fixed.
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>>321548636

Kill yourself trapfag.
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>>321548478
>Bayo not anti-hero

Cmon.
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>>321548630
Explain this, I thought he was just possessed by Zanza
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>>321548636
But we already have Sheik.
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>>321548636
Birdo?
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>>321548802

Transgenders and traps are two different things, gaiafag.
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>>321548979
that's the reason
shulk is zanza the entire game. the only reason shulk is still alive is because zanza took over his body. shulk himself isn't truly a villain, but him being zanza could make him be considered one
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>>321548636
Yoshi and Sheik are enough, are do FtM characters not count to you?
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>>321538675

she also had a game as the protag.
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>>321547073
>Kid Icarus
Hades or Medusa would be cool.
>Fire Emblem
Most villains are bland and unforgettable as fuck. Maybe the Black Knight with Alondite?
>Kirby
Galacta Knight? Would most likely just be a clone of Meta so no point
>Zelda
Vaati or Ghirahim?
>Metroid
Ridley or Kraid
>F-Zero
Not really notable villains. What moves would they even have? Maybe Goroh?
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>>321548108
Many pokemon kill people, but that does not mean that pokemon are evil.
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>>321548981
Sheik is a woman.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/nintendo-has-officially-ended-the-sheik-gender-debate
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>>321537910
Dark Pit and Mewtwo are villains
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>>321540187
>Hades
>Not important
You can argue Medusa, but Hades left more of impact
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>not wanting this guy in Smash
Does Nintendo still own him?
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>>321549739
The same way King Deedee is anyway
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>>321549739
>Mewtwo are villain

Not in the games, no.
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>>321549896
>Phantom Ganon
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>>321549896
Yes Nintendo still owns the rights to his game but if they don't do anything in about a year or two with the trademark they lose it.I voted for him
>The USPTO has seen Nintendo's request to extend the Eternal Darkness trademark, but has responded to that with a Statement of Use or Extension Request. This means Nintendo has 36 months to actually do something with Eternal Darkness, otherwise they'll looks the trademark request.
http://gonintendo.com/stories/232267-nintendo-has-36-months-to-produce-something-eternal-darkness-rela
The article in question was posted on January 2014
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>>321545724
That's not ROB, it's FCR. Completely different characters.
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>>321550121
>A vicious psychic Pokémon created by genetic engineering. Its cold, glowing eyes strike fear into its enemy.

>Mewtwo is a Pokémon that was created by genetic manipulation. However, even though the scientific power of humans created this Pokémon's body, they failed to endow Mewtwo with a compassionate heart.
Sapphire

>A Pokémon whose genetic code was repeatedly recombined for research. It turned vicious as a result.

>A Pokémon created by recombining Mew's genes. It's said to have the most savage heart among Pokémon.
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if marche was added to smash what category would he be in?
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>>321550546
The pizza cutter boy with fucked up legs?
What's his story and what did he exactly do?
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>>321550542
>Genetic engineering/manipulation are evil
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>>321550542
He's not evil, he's just really misunderstood
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>>321550643
>fucked up legs
imagine you get to finally live in a world of magic and this guy shows up and tries to take everyone back to the real world
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>>321537910
Wasn't R.O.B. technically the Villain of Brawl?
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>>321550542
>Its cold, glowing eyes strike fear into its enemy.
>subjective

>they failed to endow Mewtwo with a compassionate heart.
>not canon
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>>321551226
i think he was just doing what he was told to so who cares if he killed a nigger
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>>321550643
It's an old meme about him being a bad guy because he forced everybody to face reality and nerds hate that shit.
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Here's what I gather from this:

>Smash is primarily concerned with protagonists above all else
>Secondary characters typically only get in as clones, if they're incredibly popular, are Pokemon, or have some sort of bias working in their favor
>Most of the secondary characters that do get in are typically still playable in some games (I'm basing this on when the character was added, so Luigi and Peach hadn't starred in a game yet)
>There aren't many villains that are popular enough to get past the "non-playable, non-protagonist" barrier, and the ones that are in the game seem to fall into the same groups are the secondary characters
>Most Nintendo villains aren't commonly recurring enough to get a lot of support outside of some cases like K. Rool and Ridley, both of which have other factors working against them
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Do you guys always use the term villains? Just use antagonist. That way you can fit in Wario, Dedede, and Dark Pit.
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>>321551247
>the canon source isn't canon because I say so
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>>321550975
>Making abominations
>Not evil
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>>321554569
Are your parents evil Anon?
Are you evil?
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>>321554190
In the game never mentioned that part, the part of the heart.
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>>321537910
Duck Hunt is "main." Unless you consider the star of the game the zapper.
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>>321541461
>"I fight for my friends!"
>badass
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>>321541547
Do you still consider Donkey Kong a villain?
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>>321545724
>Angel vs something-something bat wings
>Fire-breathing dragon lizard thing vs cutesy flying lizard thing
>Feelman vs a robot
>Fighter in a quest for honor and being the best vs boxer looking for money and fame
>Governor vs governor
>Waifu wars
>G&W is black

not hard to see their reasoning
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>>321555469
>Forgetting Goddess of Light vs King of Evil
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>Bowser
>Bowser Jr
>DK
>Dedede
>The koopalings
>Ganondorf
>Greninja
>Edge Pit
>Pac-Man

We have PLENTY of bad guys
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>>321547250
Robotnik in the Egg mobile and Wily in the Saucer would have been GOAT.

>taunt: wiggle eyebrows
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>>321555652
that one is obvious, I was referring to the more "ambiguous" choices
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>>321555364
>Killing a god
>Not badass
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>>321555101
It's in the fucking Pokedex

And if you wanna disregard those, then we're left with the notes left at Cinnabar Mansion, which also paint Mewtwo in a negative light

>Mewtwo is far too powerful. We have failed to curb its vicious tendencies...
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>>321537910
Too bad WayForward's gotten no love.
>Shantae
>Patricia Wagon
>Rottytops
>Risky Boots as a villain
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>>321555791
>Kirby is badass
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>>321555791
Them and every JRPG protag ever. Not so badass anymore.
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>>321555862
And nothing of value was lost!
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>>321555725
>>Pac-Man
You too would eat ghosts in a vengeance against them kidnapping your family
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>>321555902
Yes

>>321555913
But how many of them told that god to pray?
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>>321555862
I would have settled for an assist trophy. I love them, but they don't really deserve a full rep.
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>>321540239
>Greninja as a villain
explain?
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>>321550416
>DK
>Not a Villain
U wot m8
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>>321555458
Donkey Kong has even been a villain far more times and with more recent examples than Wario. Wario has only been a villain once or twice in his whole existence.

That said, I think the moment a character becomes a protagonist, that immediately becomes far more important and more relevant to Smash than any time they were a villain.
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>>321555725
>>321537910
>Dedede
>Villian
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>>321556658
Unless they made a game about Bowser. He's never going to shake that title. He's stereotypically evil.
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>>321556756
>What is bowser's inside story
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>>321547073
Rare doesn't own K Rool and him and the Kremlings were in that Barrel Blast game on the Wii, and some kremlings were in Smash Run. I don't think there's any executive decision blocking devs from using the character. They just don't want to use him for some reason.
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>>321556894
That's another Mario and Luigi game. You may as well cite Super Mario RPG.

He's still a villain.
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>>321549719
A woman dressing up as and pretending to be a boy.
Pretty much the same as any transboy walking around.
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>>321556756
I guess that's true, but he's already in Smash so it wouldn't make a difference anyway.

If they, say, made a game about K. Rool or something though then that would likely become a big factor for him getting into Smash, and would probably become the basis for his character.
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>>321550416
>January 2014
They have by E3 to do something substantial with the trademark, then.

Most likely Gamecube games on the virtual console, but a man can hope.
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>>321557403
I think they have until January 2017?
If nothing were to happen, just look at the bright side and feel glad the game existed in the first place. Even then I hope Nintendo does something with it.
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>>321557654
... shit, you're right. I can't math today, it seems
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>>321556749
>Implying Dedede has never done any act of villainy.
The first game and most spin off titles paint Dedede as an antagonistic force that Kirby has to go against.
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>>321537910
Samus isn't a villain?
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>>321559680
Ridley is a hero?
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>>321540239
>Fucking Wario not a villain

He may have been a villain, but his days are long gone now, man. He just does stuff for his own profit that may or may not end up actually being something related to rescuing something.

>SML2
>Wants Mario's castle all for himself and rules over Mario Land and makes everyone think he's their master just to have a palace of his own, most we ever see him do is prawl around in Mario's castle while ominous thunders hit
>Villain
>Wario's Woods
>Rules over the woods and the whole brainwashing thing takes over again
>Villain
>Mario & Wario
>Puts buckets on everyone's heads
>Villain

After that...

>WL
>Greedy guy tries to steal a even greedier person that seems more ill-intended than Wario himself and ends up dethroning her and on a rather weird twist of events, Mario ends up reclaiming what Wario was going for and as he flew off with the statue, Wario just shrugged it off
>Anti-hero
>WL2
>Same as WL, although it's questionable just how ill-intended Syrup is because her cronies were FROZEN AND EMBEDDED IN THE WALLS OF HER SUPPOSED HIDEOUT WHAT THE FUCK
>Anti-hero
>WL3
>He was presumably doing something good or so he thought in exchange of mad dosh until Rudy revealed himself, beat the crap out of Rudy and freed everyone from this curse Rudy put them in, got appropriately rewarded by the townsfolk
>Anti-hero
>WL4
>Initially scavenging for loot, ends up helping a princess with a earthbound spirit which was cursed inside a cat/shapeshifter, according to manual, the treasures found had nothing in them (?)
>Anti-hero
>Master of Disguise had him trying to explore a supposed TV show to scavenge hunt, beat Tiramisu
>Anti-hero
>WL: Shake It!
>Wasn't interested in helping until he heard mad dosh was involved, saved the little fairies and the queen and ultimately got nothing in return because of Syrup's plans all along and her taking literally everything from him to his last penny
>Anti-hero
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>>321542018
>He's the final boss and usually the cause of whatever is wrong

I thought you play AS the characters, not against them in their own stages. Ya know, in order to progress through the cutscenes?
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