>takes everything that happens in Trigger and shits on it
What were they thinking?
my funnest runthru of the game was treating kid like absolute shit every time i encountered her
its a good game whats your fuckin problem dickbag go cry to your mom
>takes everything that happens in Trigger and shits on it
So you haven't played it them? It's barely even connected the connections are closer to "hey remember that thing we made?" wink wink.
God you nostalgia fucks are the worst, fuck off back to your undertale thread.
Is this meme still going on?
>>321529836
They basically kill off every Trigger party member
Because Chrono Trigger.
>>321529082
>What were they thinking?
> Developer #1: Hey boss, we got a "request" from the managers, they said this game needs to be a sequel, not a spin off.
> Masato Kato: And they're telling us now? I already wrote the script annnnnnd we're already in Pre-beta
> Miscellaneous Worker #2: Orders are orders boss, and they want this game out in 3 months or else, well, it's gonna come out either which way.
> Kato: jesus christ
And so Chrono Cross was born as is.
I played Cross before Chrono Trigger. In fact, I didn't play Trigger until the release on the Nintendo DS.
>>321529836
you are fucking wrong, retard.
Cross is the better game.
>>321531178
Cross has too many characters and a disappointing ending
>>321529836
>It's barely even connected the connections are closer to "hey remember that thing we made?
The problem with cross is that most of the events that would explain the story and connection to trigger happen off screen. This is a huge sin in story telling but squaresoft was too busy making furry waifus to tell the story properly.
Cross can not exist independently of trigger. The events in trigger set up what happens in cross. After you destroy lavos, the time line changes and in the new, safe future, that dumb fuck wise guy continues his stupid zeal-era experiments on lavos technology. Chrono and his family are killed by dalton so there's nobody who can go and fix shit when time and dimensions start bleeding through in the archipelago. Schala sends a part of her self back into the past at where the schism first appears and finds surge.
>>321531353
People can have varying tastes. There are people out there that hated Witcher 3 and it's the GOTY.
Then you have that one person somewhere on this Earth whose favorite game isDrake of the 99 Dragons
>>321533904
>Drake of the 99 Dragons
is that bad?
>>321529082
I enjoyed it thoroughly, a shame you couldn't do it as well.
I loved it. Have fun not enjoying one of the best rpgs on the playstation.
>>321529082
>Why was this allowed to happen?
so that people who don't have shitty tastes could enjoy a new game.
>>321532091
Crono and friends being killes by Dalton has always rubbed me the wrong way. I mean I guess he had an army or some shit but by that point the whole parry were fucking demigods basically.
At the very least they should have dropped Lavos and made Dalton the big bad in Cross. They could have still worked Schala in there I'm sure.
Thank the tasteless hack Kato.
>mfw replaying Xenogears and seeing an enormous writing quality drop during the Shevat arc
>mfw it was written by Kato as well
>>321534098
I only enjoy good games.
>>321535332
It not living up to Trigger doesn't make it a bad game you dingus.
>fuck with time and expected no consequences
>>321535484
You're not helping your case. Even as a stand alone game, it's even worse.
>>321535484
If a sequel can not equal the quality of the original or exceeded it then its shit
cross is a god tier game, the ost and art blows my mind every time i play it, people who dont like it are memeers
>>321535484
It is a bad game, you weener.
>>321531178
I really really like this meme
>>321536085
hating a bad game and a bad sequel is a meme?
>>321535883
Except it is a good stand alone title. Great music, impressive atmosphere and the combat is interesting. While it may have way to many characters quite a few of them are extremely interesting. Fargo comes to mind.
>>321538585
>the combat is interesting
>the combat is interesting
>the combat is interesting
>the combat is interesting
>the combat is interesting
Cross was better.
>>321538840
you don't like the combo system?
>>321531353
And yet Cross manages to get more done with its 50+ characters than Trigger does with 7.
Trigger vs Cross is like Suikoden 1 vs Suikoden 2. It's okay to enjoy Trigger, but there's no denying that Cross is the superior game.
>>321538840
Oh, and I suppose you think CT is just incredibly deep and entertaining, huh?
>>321539245
>Cross
>superior game
>>321539506
>best music in any game ever
>Can have any type of character you want in your party
>kicks you in the nuts multiple times
Sounds pretty fucking superior to me bro
>>321539663
you forgot
>shits all over a good game
>>321539731
Why?
Because you wanted a more direct sequel?
What is your reasoning?
Cross is objectively worse in a huge number of ways. There is no argument. If you think differently you're probably a garbage person that enjoys trash.
>>321539731
>shits all over a good game
Holy fuck, you fanboys are the worst. Cross is barely even related to Trigger aside from the ending, and even then, it's not as though you're unable to enjoy the game.
Never before have I seen a fanbase complain so hard about other characters dying. You don't even see them die on-screen.
Nostalgiafags love CT
Hipsterfags love CC
Can't we just move on?
CT is still the best of both tho.
>>321540260
We'll never move on as long as people are being aggressively wrong in the internet
>>321540031
Cross
>better gameplay
>better story
>better characters
>better enviroments
>more content
Trigger
>better ?
>trigger niggers still butthurt because they're literal babies
stay mad cucks
>>321540408
>better story
>better characters
>Cross
>>321540408
>>321540260
At least you picked a side, and did not pull that bullshit superior to both option so many faggots use.
CC is better though. The music tips the scales. If you are a faggot who does not care about music or atmosphere, then yah, I am sure CT would come across as superior, but it is absolutely the pleb opinion.
>>321539972
it was advertised as a direct sequel and it wasn't
>>321540484
>better story
Yes. Trigger is a totally uneventful, cliche, underdeveloped story that gets MASSIVELY overrated by its fans. In a world with games like Final Fantasy VI, Tactics Ogre, and yes, even Chrono Cross, Trigger has absolutely nothing worth mentioning.
>better characters
Yes. I see a lot of people lashing out at Cross for having underdeveloped characters, and yet Trigger does the exact same thing, to no criticism. Seriously, over 80% of the playable cast have no other purpose in the story other than existing. Frog and Magus are the only characters I can say are reasonable and developed.
>>321540539
Is the music CD-quality? Yes.
Is it actually better music than CT's? Of course not, you quad-nigger
>>321540539
Name a single scene from CC as memorable as getting for the first time at Zeal in CT.
The music just throws you off guard and all of a sudden you went from a land full of snow and depression to a magical palace floating in the sky.
Also, a lot of the music from CC is remixed off of CT.
If CC is that great then why use CT's music?
Debate over.
I wish people would stop focusing on the fact its a bad sequel and more on the fact that it's kind of a shit game on its own merits.
>>321541091
The entirety of the Dead Sea
>>321530763
CC was always promoted as a gaiden in japan, it's only the US that see it as a sequel
>>321540484
You know that character you liked in trigger? Well that character is in cross, or at least someone who talks and reacts just like them. Even if they are a human instead of a frog.
It also has 20 other wacky people you can use. Have whatever sidekicks you want.
Why is there so little porn of both Cross and Trigger?
>>321541091
The Dead Sea is every bit as awe inspiring and unexpected as Zeal.
>>321541134
I'm glad someone else started this.
Trigger Ladies > Cross sluts
>>321541091
I would say the huge fucking twist in the middle of the game. Did you forget it?
Immediately after the twist, you go from a military fort to a surreal painted world.
Did you even play CC? Are you memeing?
>>321541224
The only moment I found shocking was when you realize where you are. And then Miguel ruins everything.
But still not as amazing as Zeal Palace.
>>321530815
>Game literally tells you they aren't ghosts
>See! Look at the ghosts
>>321541550
A lack of righteousness and justice in the universe. There's no other good reason.
>>321541608
You got me there.
>>321541608
> Dragon Ball reused assets up the ass
> Better than original grillz
I love CT as much as you bro but come on...
>>321541608
>chrono cross puts in the same character
>makes her a loli
Cross is so much better you pleb.
>>321530314
that had already happened in Radical Dreamers though
>>321541557
>>321541224
Oh yeah, really impressive. Never seen it before back in the day.
>>321541681
Miguel was a fucking hard fight though, so that put a real punctuation that scene. Zeal's first taste of combat is that damn mountain, which is one of the lowlights of the game stuck between some otherwise amazing scenes.
>>321541063
>>321541091
Are you faggots brand new? Are you trying to restart a settled argument? This was finished on /v/ years ago. Cross has the better music. You are going to summon some serious autism if you keep this up. Whole thread will be ruined.
>>321541846
Being a pedophile is the new cool thing on the internet so actually you're the fucking pleb.
>>321541636
You're comparing a twist to a place lol.
I guess CC does not have memorable moments other than its LOL U WERE IN MEDINA ALL DIS TIEM.
>>321530763
This.
>>321542076
Did you miss me saying what happened after the twist? Did you read only one line? Are you illiterate?
Music is one of the few places Cross didn't disappointing. That and overworld maps. Prefering Cross's music over Trigger's, or vice versa, isn't particularly interesting or noteworthy because they're both really fucking good soundtracks. You don't get good taste points for liking one of two things when both are amazingly good.
>>321541973
>Miguel was a fucking hard fight though
I wouldn't call 1HKO moves "hard".
I'd call them cheap as fuck.
>>321541962
I'm honestly confused at what you're trying to say.
>>321542052
>Anythign from CC better than Corridors of Time
Bro, you are delusional as fuck.
>>321542430
nah, Miguel was hard, Darius was cheap as fuck.
>>321542430
If you were getting 1HKOed, it's because you fucked up. He can only do that on a full White field against Black characters.
>>321541681
And the only moment in Trigger that really stuck with me is Frog refusing to fight Magus at the cape. This whole discussion about naming a moment more memorable than X is retarded because what's memorable is entirely subjective. I never found Zeal to be particularly interesting whereas the Dead Sea is one of the most memorable locations in any video game for me.
>>321541962
The Dead Sea is completely different from Midgar you retard. Literally the only thing they have in common is that they're both urban environments except the Dead Sea is a lot more surreal.
>>321541962
I don't see how these two locations are remotely similar. Midgar is a populated, dreary place run by evil dudes. The Dead Sea is a remote, bizarre location that makes you go "what the FUCK is even going on in here?!"
>>321541636
The surreal painted world was lame though
>>321541742
No one said ghosts, fag
>>321542052
>muh /v/ is one person meme
Are you an actual idiot? You can't "settle" things on an anonymous forum. Even if you weren't wrong about the music, you must be an actual dumdum
>>321542627
Then what is even your point?
>>321542430
He was bordering on cheap, but it was one of the few fights were you can't bring a really stacked, powerful team against him and have to actually use the game mechanics to your advantage. On like no other fight did I watch that field as much as I did with Miguel. I'd cast shitty spells I didn't need just to get some white off the grid.
>>321541846
That's actually Ayla's mother
Another thing Chrono Cross did horribly, shitloads of plothreads that didn't go anywhere
>that not Magus magician
>>321542165
>Don't even know the name of the fucking place
Yeah so memorable you don't even remember the Temporal Vortex.
Still, the Vortex wasn't as impressive, sorry.
Next?
>>321537341
Having differing opinions isn't a meme
Calling everything a meme is a meme
>>321542679
>implying I'm him
Did YOU play the game?
We LITERALLY go to Lucca's house/Orphanage
>>321541957
No one reads VNs about 90s JRPGs, anon
>>321542814
>describing the locations instead of using their names
>when we are talking about stark contrasts in locations and the surprise and whimsy that comes from the immediate transition from one to the other
>this means I do not know their names
I guess you are retarded, not illiterate, because what you said was stupid as shit.
>>321529082
>m-muh happy ending bloo bloo bloo
kill yourself faggot
>>321542791
Dude, the NDS version of CT pretty much linked Magus to Guile.
>>321542814
I think you're seriously overrating Zeal here. The enviroments are nice and the music is incredible, but it all kinda falls apart once you realize that it's just another time period for the big bad to reside.
>>321542514
Jesus, low level pleb shit from CC like music related is even better then corridors of time, try and at least give a non-meme argument to CT having better music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoEMaWrQBQM
>>321542814
> Hey guys tell me a better experience than zeal palace!
> This surreal painted world hurr!
If you have to describe the fucking place to make it sound more impressive then it's not impressive at all.
You knew exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned Zeal.
>>321530314
Yes and the point of the game is to undo their deaths
>>321543114
I think anon was talking about it never being resolved in Cross, like, yeah they allude to it..... now what?
>>321543114
Not in a particularly satisfying way, though. Guile's story still goes nowhere in Cross.
>>321543164
Zeal had a really interesting vibe about it though, especially when the Ocean Palace part got into play. It seemed so powerful, being far more magically talented than your party, and yet you know its going to end badly because those flying islands don't exist in the present. Watching its demise come full circle was a very memorable part of the game.
>>321543286
Ah, well like I said, they resolved a couple of things in CT DS
>>321543164
What? How is that even a criticism? A large part of the plot takes places there, it's not like it exists just to be another place to fight Lavos. By that logic you could say that about literally everything in the game.
>>321543272
>The music just throws you off guard and all of a sudden you went from a land full of snow and depression to a magical palace floating in the sky.
You stupid faggot, you said far more then just the name, you described the stark contrasts in location. Fuck off you nigger, cannot even remember what you just fucking posted.
>>321543357
>>321543286
>>321542791
>I didn't played Radical Dreamers!
The lot of you, GTFO.
No real Chrono fan would dare not know about it.
>>321541017
>Complains about being massively overrated by its fans.
>thinks FFVI is better
Haha no
>>321543357
I suppose, but in terms of story, it really isn't quite as significant or awe-inspiring as the Dead Sea. The only purpose the place serves is to introduce us to another underdeveloped villain (Queen Zeal), and flesh out Magus' story a tiny bit.
>Trigger team time travels like crazy changing history every chance they get
>People actually think this won't have any consequences and it will actually lead to happy ending
>>321543270
>i said "meme" and "pleb" so I win the argument
Are you actually 13?
>>321541017
>le ebin tactics ogre is anything but garbage
>le ebin the ogre series has any good games besides lodis and 64
Fuck off troll, this is a CC thread, not a retarded statements thread.
>>321543635
That's because trigger niggers are babies who need muh happy endings.
>>321543564
No, I did. And I read the script somewhat recently. But I was talking about Guile in Cross. RD and Cross are canonically confusing. It seems like Cross replaced RD, despite RD's story going in much better directions what it was.
>>321543459
>A large part of the plot takes place there
Not really. It happens towards the end of the game, and all it really does is add a couple crappy dungeons and introduce us to a couple pointless characters and a stupid antagonist.
>>321543579
It's still not as overrated as CT.
>>321543631
It fleshes's out Magus's story completely. And it adds Schala who serves as the positive side of Zeal and the face of a victim in the atrocity Lavos committed against their country, which would otherwise be pretty emotionally unattached since a lot of Zeal is populated by jerks and smug, apathetic townsfolk. It also gives a lot better of a look about how Lavos works, putting a punctuation on the fact that 1999 wasn't the only time he rose to give a smackdown to humanity that had become too powerful.
I liked the Dead Sea too, of course. It's the point when Cross's quest starts to make sense, and yet, at the same time raises many more questions than it answers. Trying to compare one scene to the other and say one is better seems really silly to me.
>>321539393
>Oh, and I suppose you think CT is just incredibly deep and entertaining, huh?
Deep? Absolutely not. But holy hell is it so satisfying to land dual techs. You can't not land a Fire/Ice Sword and want to shout BASH even though you're cutting an enemy. You can't not watch the X- Slash without your heart being touched from the subtle camaraderie of 2 swordsman aiming to save those whom they care for.
You can't not look at how legendary Chrono Trigger is and look at other JRPG developers with disgust for not copying the Dual tech mechanics.
Seriously, Que el F? No random enemies, dual techs for more team based and speed action gameplay, and side quests that actually matter. This is literally the rubric for a good JRPG, how the do 90% of developers ignore this?
This is as frustrating to watch as watching LittleBigPlanet flounder in making a decent and fluid feeling physics engine. I mean come on! NSMB, the entire Mario series are right there! Just follow their rubric and your games would have been damn near perfect.
>>321543858
So you didn't pay any attention? Got it. We can stop talking about this now.
>>321543727
>tactics ogre is bad meme
Fuck off, tard. I bet you like Final Fantasy Tactics.
>>321544082
>you can't not
Stop. Don't presume to speak for anyone else.
>>321529082
Miguel had the hardest life
>>321544076
You make it sound interesting, but I feel as though the whole Schala plot-point was pretty underplayed, and that I didn't really find myself caring about her or even Magus very much in the long run. Maybe it was just the translation, but it really didn't make me feel as engrossed and intrigued as the Sea did.
>>321544115
Okay?
>>321544597
It's patently not worth discussing with you.
>>321544082
Actually, there are a few other series thag copy the Dual Tech formula, like the Suikoden series, and they tend to copy it a lot better.
I don't really feel like there's something satisfying about spamming the same attack over and over again. Sure, the Dual and Triple techs look good the first time around, but not so much the 100th.
>>321544454
One could say the same about the Dead Sea - it was just a well-themed dungeon with a boss we've never heard of and don't care about, and then it all blows up for some reason and that's that.
>>321544806
>and yet he's still here
What exactly are your posts contributing to the conversation?
My favorite are the people who shit all over CC without having even played it.
That fucking burning nursery scene.
>>321544807
Not that guy, but those sound effects were something else, man. Nothing in that era had the crunch of CT.
I'm with you that team up attacks are more interesting in Suikoden but that's pretty much just because those games have 108 characters
>>321541815
>Righteousness and justice in the universe. There's no other good reason.
Fixed that for you bud.
>>321541091
>Name a single scene from CC as memorable as getting for the first time at Zeal in CT.
Dimensional Vortex. Come on, stop being difficult.
> The music just throws you off guard and all of a sudden you went from a "______" to a "_____"
Interchange accordingly.
>Also, a lot of the music from CC is remixed off of CT.
Very few songs actually. A couple CT main theme remixes and Frog's theme as the victory theme are the only ones I can think of. And even if you could list 3 more for me, the OST is already MASSIVE so it would have been waste to not remix the amount of CT songs they had in CC.
Really Chrono music should be the LAST thing anyone should debate about in this series. Chrono Trigger has a smaller OST while Chrono Cross build upon it, becomes more expansive and more diverse instrumentation wise. Which OST you prefer is up to you but they're among the best this videogame industry has to offer.
I can see why people struggled on Miguel, but the thing that stood out most was the Hi-Ho Tank in the 'Save Kid' path.
Fucking thing had that elemental shot that was always the opposite element of the target.
>>321544852
Miguel is a VERY important character, and kinda adds on to the mystery surrounding Serge and Lynx. While I'll agree that you do end up walking out with more questions than answers, I can kinda appreciate the open-ended narrative it offers as opposed to Trigger.
>>321544261
You've never heard of intention double negatives to imply you don't have the ability to perform the negative action? Like you can't not miss the Sun in the sky while living on this earth?
>>321545243
WAS he that important? I know he traveled with, what, Wazuki was it, to save Serge way back when, and he got trapped by the Frozen Flame. Wasn't that basically it? Standard guardian boss with a sad backstory because he was Leena's dad and otherwise a good guy.
And you say "open-ended narrative" but when I played Cross all I got was bad storytelling that tried desperately to tell its entire plot on a beach right before the final boss.
>>321545349
I wasn't talking about the double negative you fuckface. Did you even read anything else than the green text you retard? By saying "you" there's an implicit assumption that everyone else shares your experience which is clearly not the case.
>>321545762
Compared to other characters, yeah, he was. He helps to undestand the background of the main characters in the story, and also poses as (probably) the best boss battle in the game.
I know a lot of people consider the story of Cross being a clusterfuck, but I feel it as a breath of fresh air from Trigger's overly-simple and cliche story. The beach scene is a large exposition dump, yes, but I think you're kinda cutting the game short by saying that it "tells the entire plot".
>>321543635
>People actually think killing major characters off screen is good writing
>Mfw all these top lads defending the masterpiece that is Chrono Cross
Sure, it may have been a bit convoluted but it took risks, it showed us that everything has consequences, specially since the Trigger team just kept messing with history, it didn't rehash the first game's systems as well, so it basically did everything that a sequel needed to do, this game begs for a remake done with the same love as the original
Also, Scars of Time is one of the greatest soundtracks ever composed
>>321546716
>Make a simple chord progression with a melody on top and repeat it for 3/4 of the song
Okay
>>321529082
Buttmad OP?
>>321545884
>Did you even read anything else than the green text you retard? By saying "you" there's an implicit assumption that everyone else shares your experience which is clearly not the case.
You realize you're only now explaining yourself when you didn't the first time around?
Anyhow, when people make general statements like "Everyone enjoys ice cream", they don't mean it literally. Stop thinking in absolutes.
>>321546405
>cliche
In the context of what? I sure don't remember a lot of RPGs about time travel being around before it.
>>321546716
This.
>>321546514
>>People actually think killing major characters off screen is good writing
It's not, but please refer to
>>321530763
>>321547596
You realize that anyone with half a brain would have realized what I meant from what followed the greentext, right?
>>321546514
Crono and Marle were only implied to be killed, for all we know they could have escaped as Guardia fell
Lucca died but this gave depth to Kid's character
Ayla died of old age what did you expect
Frog is fine in his time probably died of old age
Robo was killed by FATE in front of Serge
Magus is most likely Guile, specially seeing that ending from the DS remake of trigger, like it or not
>>321548514
>Crono and Marle were only implied to be killed
you see their ghosts. They died
>>321547962
>You realize that anyone with half a brain would have realized what I meant from what followed the greentext, right?
Given how people love to verbally abuse on here, like what you're doing, for even the tiniest of things, I used my full brain to consider all the possibilities and decided to go with my choice that you're complaining about on a whim.
Seriously, you're making a big deal out of nothing and this conversation would have been closed earlier if you weren't so rude and confrontational.
>>321549706
>he hurt my feelings :(
trigger niggers, everybody! Back to Reddit with you friend: you might get triggered again if you leave your hugbox.
>>321549809
>you might get triggered again
...You got triggered and popped off because your original post was misread and your original post was made over something trivial.
Your actions are quite perplexing. What happened man? Don't be shy, we won't judge...
Well, I won't judge.
>>321547598
No, but the plot structure is very generic.
>there are people still upset that Cross wasn't simply Trigger 2
Let it go guys. Cross is still a superb game.
>>321552839
>Let it go guys.
Why? Cross was marketed as something that it was not
