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>He doesn't play a male Exile
>He doesn't romance Visas or Brianna
>He doesn't bro-down with Atton or Mandalore
KOTOR 2 thread.
Have to ask: Thinking of buying KOTOR 2 from Steam, is playing through the first one necessary to understand the plot?
>>321430137
You should buy both because they're both good games.
I don't remember if it's necessary or not, it's been so long since I played through it. I don't really think Chris Avellone and the other Obsidian devs even played through it when they developed the game, so maybe KOTOR 1 isn't absolutely necessary.
But you should definitely play KOTOR 2, and download the Restored Content mod.
>>321430137
It's not strictly necessary but it adds a lot.
>pirate it
>for some reason widescreen fixes won't work
>buy it on steam
>for some reason game only works in windowed mode, using my integrated gpu instead of the dedicated card
>it lags like shit, despite being a really old game
fucking hell
>>321430137
Playing KOTOR 1 first makes KOTOR 2 better, it depends on how much time you want to spend.
I want to try the KOTOR games. My question is if I need to be a male to waifu women or if I can just make a female character and still romance the ladies?
>>321429118
Bao Dur is underrated, that is all
>He doesn't play a female Exile
>He doesn't mod in romance Visas or Brianna
>He doesn't bro-down with Atton or Mandalore
>>321430137
Not really. They explain the basic story in game.
I think you should play the first anyway. You'd appreciate it more I think. Both are good games but the second is pretty special imo
>>321430694
never had this kind of problem.
you using the restoration mod?
>>321429118
>He doesn't play a male Exile
>Playing the non canon jedi exile
>>321429118
I liked it. Downloaded it on a whim, played for a long time, went to load it up one day and it just crashed immediately after start up. That stupid fucking game, I'm glad I didn't pay for that shit, I would be so mad if I had wasted my money on that awful crap.
>>321430137
Not really but KOTOR2 is constantly referencing KOTOR1 events and characters. You won't fully understand its ending withouth playing KOTOR1 and the Restored Content mod.
>>321429118
you'll understand the game more, andd there are some choices that influence the game.
you can skip it though, and those choices will come naturally in the prologue's dialogue, unlike bioware's forced "memorey test" like in me2.
but if you like this kind of game, you should get both, they're pretty cheap, and both are good
>>321431056
neither are cannon yet, and besides who cares? revan might be "canonly" a male, but in my heart revan's always gonna be a fucking cold-hearted sith bitch
>>321430770
I doubt you can les out with Bastila. She's kind of a prude.she's the ultimate waifu though. Probably the best companion in the whole game, sexy as fuck, smart, and cool.
>it's a mandalorian assault droid mission
I played through this last weekend. I got the brianna "I want to fight with you forever" conversation really early because I was jedi-ing everyone on nar shadaa. I missed out on all the fun visas v. brianna drama and couldnt get the hk-47 love speech. why /v/, why.
>>321431584
>"Canonly"
But it is in the KOTOR canon.
>>321431046
i'm not, but i tried it and it was the same way
with the dedicated card and fullscreen mode it crashes right after opening movies and doesn't get to the menu
with windowed mode it crashes on loading a save or after starting a new one and creating a character
>>321430137
At least half the experience in KOTOR 2 is reliant on the player having already played 1. The story is self-contained enough on its own, but you really should 100% 1 before playing 2.
>two returning planets
>three returning party characters
>playing 1 will let you know when characters in 2 are wrong or bullshitting when they're talking about stuff from 1
>>321432297
>playing 1 will let you know when characters in 2 are wrong or bullshitting when they're talking about stuff from 1
Fucking HK-47 man. I love that droid.
DAILY REMINDER THIS IS WHAT WE COULD HAVE HAD IF KOTOR 3 WAS MADE BY OBSIDIAN
>"The entire second game is littered with clues as to 'why didn't Revan destroy the infrastructure here? What was he trying to make sure was still intact? What did he/she see that no one else saw?' I thought that was giving a nice nod to 'wait a minute, Revan realises there's an even larger force at work here, and he's focusing his efforts on that and keeping the big picture in mind'. That was one thing - the idea that there was a larger, global conspiracy."
>That third game would cast you as "the Exile" and allow you to track Revan's path. "Whether you encounter him or not..." he pauses, wary of spoilers in case the game ever happens in the future. "The idea was that even before the 'modern day' Sith came into being in The Old Republic ... there were even more distant Sith Lords that were considered the true Sith, and the idea that they were still lurking out there in the galaxy waiting for a chance to strike, kind of like the Shadows in Babylon 5, I thought would be a cool finale for that Old Republic trilogy.
>"Part of the fun with designing them," he adds, "was if you have these incredibly powerful Force users and they have their whole hidden domain out in the distant reaches of the galaxy, what would that Sith empire really look like at the hands of these things?
>"If they could shape entire planets or galaxies or nebulas, and they had all these slave races at their disposal, how cool would that be, to go into the heart of darkness and you're the lone Jedi and/or new version of the Sith confronting these guys? What would that be like? I thought that would be pretty epic."
I tried playing with the restoration patch and it's shit.
Visas joined as a jedi sentinel with max light side points.
Then at the very end the game crashed to desktop, and my save was corrupted to shit. My name changed, I was level 1, no party members, no equipment. And my last save was an hour before, so no way in hell was I going to trudge through the last area again.
Thanks restoration mod. Also, thanks for that 1 on 1 fight against Darth Sion as Atton Rand. I totally didn't use a save editor to give him 10 levels so he actually stood a fighting chance.
I don't think I experienced anything that I didn't in the vanilla game.
>>321433636
there is a ton more content mother fucker and its your own fault for not ascending atton to jedi.
>>321431235
>ten year old game
>came out on xp
>crashes once
go back to consoles kiddo
>>321434740
He was a jedi, but he only had like 5 levels in it. That's not enough to get decent combat skills.
>>321430838
Bao Dur is literally the worst party member ever put into a game. Fuck him and Fuck you
If I'm installing kotor 1 do I use tslcrm, or the newer k1r if I'm using a restoration mod? Do I use both?
What are must have mods for both games?
>>321434740
And where is the content? I saw none of it. No new quests or anything.
Well, I guess there were those HK guys that randomly showed up to give me some free experience, but that went nowhere.
>>321432297
It would maybe help you understand the timeline, but what people tell you never syncs up anyway. Everyone has there own revisionist history of what revan did. Alot of characters use it to justify their actions in two.
I originally played kotor II knowing the twist from one but not all the events and I think it made two better because I actually paid attention to what people said and didnt skip through because blah blah revan blah blah dark side.
>>321435232
tslrcm is for KOTOR 2
TSLRCM = The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod. You hear people on here only refer to it as KOTOR 2, but its subtitle is "The Sith Lords"
You don't need it for Kotor 1
>>321435435
You're right, I should have known that. I could have sworn there was a different content mod for kotor 1 though. Oh well, I can't wait to try it in any event
>Can't play QT exile and have Brianna as a companion without glitching the game to fuck.
Obsidiots will defend this.
>>321435305
It fits so well you didnt see it, minus the terrible voice acted girl in the enclave.
If you didnt unlock the droid factory thats your own fault and that literally changes the ending.
http://deadlystream.com/forum/topic/139-whats-restored-in-tslrcm/
>>321435123
Fuck you sith scum. Jedi Bao Dur is the best
>>321434952
No, it consistently crashed after that time. There were no fixes and I ended up deleting it later. It had worked for 20+ hours before that no problem.
>>321435773
theories on where he went before the telos battle?
seems the writers forgot him.
>>321435684
I'm like 99% certain there's a mod that allowed Brianna
>>321435957
Writers intended for him to join HK-47 in the droid factory and die, hence why he only appeared via hologram on Malachor.
>>321433636
you can win agaist sion? i lost and thought thats how it supposed to be.all them feels with dying Atton at the end...
>>321431656
Great voice too.
>>321436805
You can beat him, the ending has him fly off with you into the distance regardless of gender.
>>321433162
>"The entire second game is littered with clues as to 'why didn't Revan destroy the infrastructure here? What was he trying to make sure was still intact? What did he/she see that no one else saw?' I thought that was giving a nice nod to 'wait a minute, Revan realises there's an even larger force at work here, and he's focusing his efforts on that and keeping the big picture in mind'. That was one thing - the idea that there was a larger, global conspiracy."
Revan dindu nuffin! He was a good boi
>>321437136
Except it doesn't say that.
Are you literally blind?
>>321437301
The first game has Revan as a generic evil Sith warlord, just one that wasn't as cacklingly retarded as Malek. Everything about him not really falling and knowing there was a big scary empire out there that he was saving the galaxy from was invented in 2.
>>321429118
>he doesn't play Jedi Jesus
>he doesn't go Consular/W Master Muscle Wizard
>he doesn't have Bao-Dur/Atton/Handmaiden as his power trio
>>321435123
Confirmed for never taking away his weapons.
>He didn't play a Kung fu play through with Bao-dur and Handmaiden
>>321431056
>>321432143
>>321435684
Nice speech. I bet you tell yourself that every night so you can sleep.
>>321435786
That happens when your OS auto-updates and it fucks something up. Otherwise, a simple ini tweak can fix it.
>>321429118
I replayed both games recently as a loner qt3.14. Enjoyed 2 more. The first one needed a mod that rewritten the DS dialogue so it doesn't sound like it was written by George Lucas.
>>321438154
>not really falling
He used the Dark Side. He's just not retarded like Malak is.
>>321435770
That doesn't say how to get to the droid factory though.
Also, it's not like the change of the ending would've mattered since as I said, the game crashed towards the end and completely fucked up my save file.
>>321436805
I lost to him a bunch of times, and I'd just get a game over.
Will we ever get a SW game in which melee weapons aren't stupidly overpowered against guns?
>>321435773
>>321439612
He is absolutely terrible. How can you defend him? Do you use GOTO as well? Just cripple your party as much as you can?
>Brianna presents to you near constantly
>Exile still doesn't tap that ass.
>>321444892
Republic Commando
>playing the worst KOTOR
>endorsing Obshittian latching on to superior developers coat tails yet again
Kek
>>321445943
Shitty bait bro.
>>321445943
Low level bait, try again.
>>321445050
>not training Bao-Dur in the ways of Jedi monk drunken wutang shaolin soccer
>>321430770
There's one lesbian romance in the game and its some gross alien
>>321429118
>>He doesn't play a male Exile
Of course not, that would be silly.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Meetra_Surik
>>321447681
It's not canon anymore now, pham.
>>321445943
Just don't.
>>321444892
>raises baton for massive strike
>finn doesn't just point the saber at him and turn it on
>>321448080
The lightsaber battles have never been done very intelligently.
The best way to fight would be to not even have the lightsaber on. Tackle the other guy, put your lightsaber up against him, turn it on.
I think there was some EU stuff that talked about a fighting style that incorporated the use of turning the lightsaber on and off, but not much else.
They're really just treated as swords.
>>321446334
>>321446395
>j-just replying to let you know that you totally didn't affect me!
Kek. I will never get the hype between these meme developers
>>321448787
>Tackle the other guy, put your lightsaber up against him, turn it on.
That would work if you had a lightsaberproof armor, or are we assuming the tacklee is unarmed?
>>321449007
>he actually took the time to make that
>>321449007
Ok. You're entitled to your opinion. But why are you in this thread if you don't like Obsidian?
>>321449730
>knights of the old republic 2 is a three quarter finished turd
>it's bioware's fault!
Actually it was quite literally Lucas Arts' fault. They wanted the game out by Xmas 2004 and rushed Obsidian.
Keep trying, Biocuck
>>321449730
If New Vegas was a half finished turd, then Fallout 3 is a turd that barely exists.
Kotor 2 was actually more Lucas Arts fault, but Bioware was also being dicks by not letting them look at the fucking script for the first game.
Dungeong Siege 3 is shit.
Never played Alpha Protocol.
I have no love for Obsidian, I just think they made a couple decent games.
>>321445378
People in the Star Wars Universe apparently reproduce by mitosis.
>>321450095
>If New Vegas was a half finished turd, then Fallout 3 is a turd that barely exists.
Higher user score, more metacritic and GoTY awards.
>Kotor 2 was actually more Lucas Arts fault, but Bioware was also being dicks by not letting them look at the fucking script for the first game.
Nice damage control. What was the excuse for Alpha Protocol?
>Dungeong Siege 3 is shit.
Shittest version was Obshittians.
>Never played Alpha Protocol.
You're better off.
>that one stupid cunt that comes into every single SW thread to just shittalk a developer he doesn't like
Jesus fucking Christ, that's autistic.
If you don't like the dev, why not ignore them and every game they made? Instead, here you are, every single fucking thread, posting the same shit, pictures and text, over and over.
Don't you have a life?
>>321449529
>But why are you in this thread if you don't like Obsidian?
>>321450348
>Higher user score, more metacritic and GoTY awards.
Post hidden.
>>321450348
>Higher user score, more metacritic and GoTY awards
All completely meaningless.
>>321450571
Not him but 4chan isn't a hugbox. You have to be able to take it as much as you can dish it. It's low level bait anyways. Just hide his post and the rest of the conversation magically disappears.That is if you have the proper plugins.
>>321450690
>>321450636
It means that it was critically more successful than Obshittians version.
>>321450875
That's nice.
That has nothing to do with the quality of the game.
>>321450628
maybe you're just mad because you have shit taste.
>>321450845
No, I get that, I know people come here often enough to shit on other people. Hell, I do it to others too from time to time, but this is just autistic single-mindedness.
And yeah, I filter him pretty much instantly.
Wish we had IDs on /v/, would make filtering a lot easier.
>>321450995
The quality is the fact that it was literally broken on release even by Bethesdas standards
>>321450751
>is on 4chan
>talks about having a life
wew lad, take a moment to step back. You're projecting the fact that you have no life and spend all day on 4chan so hard you didn't realize that people can actually post on 4chan in moderation.
Never played the games before
Are they stay playable now or do they feel dated in a bad way?
Also can they run on a toaster, it'd be a nice game to play on my laptop when i'm away for work?
>>321451081
I doubt that.
I don't even bother buying Bethesda games at launch because it usually takes weeks to patch it to where you can even launch the game.
>>321429118
I did all of these thoughDark Side manipulator run is the best Evil experience I've had in any game
Female exile is fun for Atton's reaction to you running around in your underwear.
>>321451385
They can run on a toaster. My laptop can barely run TESIV even with performance mods and lowest settings and it plays heavily modded KOTORs with no problems.
>>321451006
>wishes we had IDs
Go back to reddit now you little girl homo
>>321451346
I'm not sure who's post I was replying to, but it seems to have gotten lost. Don't worry famillia, I got you.
Merry christmas..
>>321452005
You do realize there's parts of this site which do have IDs, right? Like /pol/.
And I've been here since the whole thing began, so you can piss off with that bullshit.
>>321451887
Awesome, what are the essential mods?
>>321452005
Thread ID's are nowhere near as encompassing as an actual account/profile. That's called false equivalency, the only ones who benefit from no IDs is shitposters.
>>321451385
Depends on what you like in a CRPG. Graphics are obviously dated but the combat is a typical turn based D20 system that's animated to look like real time combat.
I played the first game about 8 years ago and only got around the playing the second this year (the the widescreen update and restored content mod)
Playing the second after so long makes me remember how much I loved the first. It's an excellent sequel. I'd say they're very enjoyable in this day and age provided you aren't expecting actual real time swordplay for gameplay. Dialogue is more in depth than most modern RPGs so it certainly hasn't lost its appeal with age.
So what was the Exile's life after their exile but before Paragus? I like to think mine went on a PTSD induced tour of the outer rim before cleaning his shit up, finding work as a mercenary for a bit, then boarding the ebon hawk for a trip back to Corellia so he can meet his familythen KOTOR 2 happened
>>321452471
Thanks man appreciate the input, sounds worth a playthrough so ill give them a go
>>321452669
Helps that they're dirt cheap on steam right now. There are certainly worse things you could waste money on if you end up not enjoying it. Steam refunds are a thing, but I'd really recommend giving it more than two hours chance.
>>321451438
>doubt that
irrelevant, because it's undeniable fact. Fallout 4 looks like a MGSVs level of polish/optimization in comparison to how New Vegas launched. literally the worst launch out of any Bethesda game, no exaggeration.
Shit is still shit tier optimized to this day
>>321452912
not to mention they did a massive update on KOTOR II a while back.
>>321453113
>irrelevant, because it's undeniable fact.
>FACTS ARE FACTS BECAUSE I SAID SO!
Child, please.
>>321444892
That scene was so fucking stupid.
>>321444892
TRAITOR
>>321452546
That's actually a pretty question. The game suggests that you hung out in the far reaches of the Outer Rim.
In my mind the Exile wandered around in Chiss space and fought in various wars between the Unknown Regions species and freed a world or two of slavery to try and make amends.
The Exile didn't board the Ebon Hawk as early as you think they did, the beginning of KOTOR 2 is very confused and difficult to unpack but it seems you were originally put on the Harbinger for a journey to Telos IV, then the Sith were lured by Atris to your location and shit went straight to hell from there.
In my head canon the Exile was being taken from somewhere like Dubrillion towards Telos IV before coming out of hyperspace just beforehand in the Peragus system for the last leg of the journey.
Peragus is near Ventooine at the top part of this map.
>>321430770
There are mods that let you romance whoever. Your character isn't voice acted so the only oddity would be a character occasionally referring to you as "he" if you're playing a female or "she" if you're playing a male.
>>321451673
>Are you an angel?
>nah, that's a terrible line. I hope some poor kid doesn't end up using it
Damn, why is this game so fucking boring
This mining facility thingy fucking sucks
>>321458185
>he didn't download the mod that lets you skip Peragus and get a lightsaber
>>321458185
It's the worst part of the game. It gets better.
>>321445378
>implying the exile didn't fuck her during their "sparring" matches in the Ebon Hawk.
Real talk though, is the restoration the only mod worth getting?
>>321459032
>Restoration
>Better Lightsabers
>Skip FUCKING peragus
>>321458228
>getting a saber early
>>321459902
>played through the game a thousand times
>tired of fucking around, going to thirty different planets just to get the pieces of a lightsaber
>fuck me for wanting one early
>>321431056
>b-but muh exile is a woman!
go to hell gaider
>>321459306
Wouldn't this cut me out of necessary plot points or something? Would feel weird to skip an entire section of the game. Can you skip it without missing anything important story-wise?
Is the recent patch on Steam really worth buying it again?I bought it on GOG a while ago and haven't played it.
>>321431056
female Revan and male Exile is the only way to go
>>321435684
That's very nice fanart and all but IMO none of the ingame female faces look like that or as good
I have to ask something. I have a physical KOTOR+KOTOR 2 collection.
Should I buy a Steam version instead? Or did I strike gold?
>>321429118
>Male Revan
>Male Exile
The only good canon.
>>321460094
>Wouldn't this cut me out of necessary plot points or something?
Yeah, I didn't think of that. it's kinda meant for people who've played the game multiple times.
>>321430137
they explain the basic premise of kotor 1 with a few sentences, which is all you need to know for the few times it comes up
if you don't care to play 1, i can tell you all you need to know about itrevan was a jedi who led a defense against a mandalorian invasion and turned into a sith lord and then waged war against the republic until he got mind-wiped by the jedi and turned into the player character for kotor 1. he then (canonically, and kotor 2 lets you choose whether this happened) turns back into a jedi and saves everyone from his old apprentice, malak.
the reveal of the player character being revan happens about 2/3 of the way through kotor 1 but hints are dropped long before that.
that's all you need to know in order to play kotor 2.
>>321460094
Yeah it would. Sorry I thought you played the game before. I never mod games during my 1st playthrought.
Why is star wars the force unleashed so unpopular on steam?
>>321433162
So the Dominion?
>>321460254
>ever playing as a female when there aren't even any slutty clothes to dress them in
Shit taste
>>321460094
Necessary plot points, not really.
Here's all you need to know. Some spoilers, I guess.The mining facility blows up, some folks blame you, there's a sith lord after your ass, someone sent an assassination droid after you, you have some bullshit force link with Kreia, Atton is a fool, the droid does things.
>>321459306
>better lightsabers
Could you link that one?
>nobody at Bioware OR Obsidian had a Twi'lek fetish
Either that guy had to contain his power level real hard, or both companies were SUPER gay.
>>321452158
You still need to go back to reddit
>>321459968
Correct, Fuck you anon.
>>321461863
Enjoy walking around an empty asteroid of nothing for three hours.
>>321461462
>not having a Zeltron fetish
>>321462081
>hair
>not tentacles
You're halfway there with the fluorescent skin, but that hair is shit.
>>321461462
There was that one in the Pazaak den that was pretty obviously thirsty as fuck
>>321453113
>MGSVs level of polish/optimization in comparison to how New Vegas launched.
Oh, you really haven't played either then.
>literally the worst launch out of any Bethesda game, no exaggeration.
>Shit is still shit tier optimized to this day
Highly ironic seeing that Fallout 3 runs far better as a mod in New Vegas than a standalone game.
>>321449529
>You have to like obsidian as a company if you like any of their games
Nah go fuck yourself. I really enjoyed Kotor2, but Obsidian is an overrated company that's yet to make anything more than mediocre/decent since and they just get worse as time goes on until you get Pillars of Dogshit.
>be consular
>can't fucking decide whether to go hitler or jesus
>casting force wave all day everyday
>survivors get pounded with fists
At the rate I'm going on I won't be able to enter that fucking cave
>>321463385
in 2? beoverall dark but spare all of the jedi masters by picking light-sided conversation dialog options with them
>>321458228
>mod that gets you a lightsaber early
I don't get why you autists complain that the game doesn't give you a lightsaber right at the start. It's not like the lightsabers change the gameplay at all. They are just the same vibroswords you were using prior but with a different skin.
>>321463551
I was actually doing a run where I kill them. Every light side point I got came from companion dialogs.
>>321460571
The cannon ending of Kotor1 is becoming a Jedi? That's stupid. It made more sense for him to slowly turn back into a sith
>>321463715
At least double the damage.
>>321463551
I don't think it's possible to go dark and spare Kavar or Vrook.
Unless you mean being an absolute dickhead to everyone unless they're in the main planet plot
>>321463715
Actually, lightsabers deflect blaster bolts.
It was actually pretty cool the first time through when you finally worked up to getting a lightsaber.
There are also story reasons why you don't have a lightsaber. You're not a jedi when you start the game. Obviously, you wouldn't have a lightsaber.
>>321463551
You have to pick the Queen-sided dialogues on Onderon to be able to spare Kavar if I remember correctly, and that shit is lightsided.
>>321463715
If you're a guardian, force jump mows down enemies like white phosphorous through a Vietnamese village
>>321463939
kreia explains it in kotor 2 (if you specify that the pc was light-side) as basically just being what was necessary at the time, regardless of ethics. he became the bad guy because that was what was needed, then when they stripped his memories he re-emerged as the good guy because that was what was needed.
she also mentions at a different point that revan is like looking at the heart of the force. one way to interpret these two statements (my headcanon, this is something i'm inferring and not mentioned) was that revan was carrying out the "will" of the force: the mandalorians needed someone to stop them and then the sith and the star forge needed someone to stop them. the force tends to be about balance a lot, a state where there's a definitive winner seems to generally be something it's opposed to.
>>321464113
you can still be overall dark side, especially if you do dxun first and return to onderon as soon as it's available.
>>321450348
>Better Scores
People are stupid, anon.
>>321461176
>implying the tight bodysuits aren't slutty
Mission got that ass.
Dual wielding is overpowered as shit in Kotor 2.
You can eventually negate the penalty, and if you go weaponmaster, you can even gain a bonus when dual wielding.
Add to that the flurry skill, letting you attack 6 fucking times in one round, and buffs that make you borderline invincible, the game is piss easy.
>>321429118
Visas is, to this day, the only videogame character I had feelings for IRL.
I just wanted to be together with her, love her andhave her call me master.
I really was in love. Pretty fucking scary when I think about it.
>>321460362
I have it too, you have to buy the steam version for the upgrades and new patch.
>>321465597
Which side is she on, for when I wrap up 1?
>>321465745
She's the most evil bitch in the whole series
>>321465745she's pretty much a battered housewife for you to manipulate into whatever you feel like
>>321466118
Like a cunt, or is she seductive?
Because if she's sexy as fuck, I can do evil.
>>321465359
>he thinks flurry is the best attack skill
>>321465745
She's on your dick. That's which side she's on.
>>321466458
Yes, but does my dick have to be on fire and shoot lightning or save younglings?
>>321466295
Well she adores your character but she works as the second in command for one of the three central villains until she joins you and she just wants you to do evil shit all the time
>>321465745
>>321466118
lie
she's basically putty and if you gain influence with her (and you will), she basically becomes whatever side you are
most of the companions are heavily influenced by your actions andthis is a major plot point
>>321466639
I don't remember her caring about what you did, she just wanted to be with you.
>>321466639
>she wants you to do evil shit
most of her influence gains are light sided, though there are plenty where ls/ds is irrelevant.
>>321466747
>most of the companions are heavily influenced by your actions and this is a major plot point
Don't worry. I already know who the Exile is. Especially after Revan, who didn't see something like that coming.At least it's more explanation than Rey fucking had as to why Revan, Exile, and Rey are all super force prodigies.
>>321466747
She'll be okay with whatever you choose to do but she always talks about how you should do the most evil thing possible. HK is the only character even remotely as evil as her
>>321435957
I think he was supposed to sacrifice himself in the HK factory and left his droid behind.
>>321429118
Is the restored content mod required? I just finished the game without mods and I am slightly confused what happened in the end.
>>321465597
her voice makes me hard
>>321466334
Is there another attack skill that lets you attack multiple times in one round?
No
>>321467034
going off http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/920601-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-the-sith/faqs/34337
this is from like the first or second conversation you have with her.
+INF+ LSP - Are you all right?
+INF+ LSP - I didn't mean to hurt you.
+INF+ LSP - In medbay, I... we... noticed you have scars. Who hurt you?
+INF+ LSP - My life is unimportant - your Master threatens more than just me.
-INF- DSP - I will decide when I am ready, and I command you to bring me before him.
-INF- DSP - I order you to take me to him.
-INF- DSP - I need to find him and kill him before he is a threat to my power. > V10
+INF+ LSP - Because I believe you can be saved.
-INF- DSP - Why? It is only that a weak servant is no use at all. Surely the Sith has taught you that.
- +INF+ LSP - To help another is not weakness - it is strength to them both.
every single ls interaction is +inf and every single ds interaction is -inf
>>321466617
> his dick isn't on fire
Pathetic t.b.h
>>321467576
Sorry. I'll try harder tomorrow.But for now, Chibi Robo.
>>321429118
>Get Dark Side points for not caring about the Jedi
Fuck, I want to be a freelance badass, not follow some stupid outdated codes.
>>321467429
Not one for mathematics, are you? Over time, flurry deals the least amount of damage of the three.
>>321467750
being a mercenary or bounty-hunter is generally bad guy behavior in any setting. you're basically saying you don't give a shit about ethics and will do whatever you're paid to do.
if you refuse certain contracts that you find distasteful, then you're more of a neutral character, but being pure mercenary is a pretty bad guy thing to be.
>>321467750
One of my biggest problems with the game is how you're actively encouraged to never go full light or full dark, yet you're totally crippling yourself by not doing so.
Like if you go full light and try to help absolutely everyone then not only do you stretch yourself too thin, but you're also hurting others, as they need to find the strength to solve their own problems. But if you go full dark and are a huge asshole to everyone, then you're just making yourself a target and you could potentially kill valuable allies.
>>321468010
Doesn't matter. If you have decent weapons you kill everything in one or two rounds of combat. In the final area of the game, even the sith lords would die with just one use of it.
>>321433162
If her species didn't need eyes, why did they have eye sockets?
>>321429118
I just finished Dantooine, were the mercenaries supposed to be balls-hard? Lvl 14, dualwielding two Lightsabers and with Visas and Atton. Thank God for Insanity is all I'm saying.
>>321469051
they needed eyes at one point in their evolutionary history, presumably
>>321469051
Sexual purposes
>tfw mowing everyone down with my lightning
>tfw it makes you play someone that's not the exile
;_;
>>321469348
depends what you specced into
i recommend at least one character with the energy resistance power, shit is op as fuck against blasters
>>321469348
The hard part is when you get kidnapped and forced to play as all of the blaster characters
>>321469451
fucking atton versus those two fucks in the cantina
almost as difficult as the hk factory, jesus christ
i mean both are fine now that i prepare for them specifically, but shit
>>321469614
In my game they just got stuck in a table, because of some bug, so I just could take my time to shoot them up.
>>321469862
i tried to glitch them into the table but it didn't work, i ended up spamming shields and grenades and running them around in a circle
>>321469614
After getting shafted once and only surviving due to abusing level up regeneration, I've always gone overkill on the prep work. I've managed to fuck my game up a few times due to the sheer quantity of mines I put down on their spawn point
>>321469920
I ran over to the lizard man slaver and talked to him, at which point one of the girls got glitched and I could fight the other alone.
Glitched girl stayed in place and let me shoot her with my white lasers until she passed out
>>321469348
Yes they were supposed to be hard as fuck. Specially when you refuse Azkul's offer and a group of 10 double vibro blade guys fuck your shit up. Also Goto's Yacth was incredible hard, especially if you didn't have any of the damaging droid powers. Or outside Telos when you fight the mercenaries and that giant droid.
The level scalling of KOTOR 2 was terrible.
>go to mercenary hideout to rescue Vrook
>he bitches about how I'm rushing into things and saving him was bad
>reload, pick option where I leave him there
>save villagers from the mercenaries
>Vrook acts like I'm Hitler and forces me to kill him
Amazing writing.
>>321472326
Vrook is the epitome of jedi arrogance, the others you find seemed somewhat regretful of what happened but he didn't give a fuck.
>>321460229
Yeah it adds widescreen support and has the restored content stuff in the game now
>>321472885
I prefer to blame the bad writing. The Jedi Masters were on your side and then suddenly "I'M CUTTING YOU DOWN FROM THE FORCE" out of nowhere.
>>321468218
That's wrong, selling your skills is a neutral thing to do. You're not the one making the decision to kill, your employer is.
Refusing contracts would throw your alignment towards good.
>>321473805
the default game has restored content?
dayum
>>321462081
That chick was WAY too lewd. God dammit I had to stop playing twice because of her.
>>321473869
>On your side
Nope.
>>321473879
you're making the decision not to care what you're doing for money
both you and the person who hired you are bad
>>321473992
You can care all you want and feel bad, which is why you're neutral.
Should I buy both KotOR games or Thief 1 and 2 instead
>>321474054
doesn't change the fact that you're killing e.g. children because someone paid you to
nobody's forcing you to kill them, you made a conscious decision that their lives are worth less than the money you're being paid
that's self-serving and evil in almost any setting
>>321473883
I *think* it does
but the restored content is either there or on the workshop. Installs like a charm.
>>321474075
All of them, they aren't exactly expensive
>>321474205
Do you think you're smart anon
>>321474179
It's just on the workshop. But yeah, installing it requires one click and waiting for a pretty short download.
I'd bet money they added workshop support specifically for the restoration mod. That mod was on the workshop the day that patch came out, working perfectly.
>>321473964
But they were. Specifically on the Light Side route. Then you visit Dantooine for the second time and they just forgot everything you did for them and about you not being a threat to the galaxy.
>>321474075
Pirate them all, since the money no longer goes to the original devs.
But if I had a gun to my head, Thief 1 and 2.
>>321474151
>doesn't change the fact that you're killing e.g. children because someone paid you to
>nobody's forcing you to kill them, you made a conscious decision that their lives are worth less than the money you're being paid
That's still not evil.
And if you don't do it, someone else will.
>>321474434
Using you to help them or play into their goals does not make them your friends.
Wasn't the Exile female?
Her official name was Meetra Surik.
Revan was confirmed to be male.
>>321474370
I don't have to be smart to be right
>>321474545
>That's still not evil.
yes it is, by almost any known ethical standard
>And if you don't do it, someone else will.
not necessarily true and definitely not a valid excuse
>>321474151
You know, in real life mercenaries aren't exactly much different from regular military.
The self-serving rogue gun for hire is almost entirely fictitious.
>>321474639
we're talking primarily about fictitious settings so that's not a major issue
>>321461176
>there aren't even any slutty clothes to dress them in
>you can literally get the slave leia costume
u wot m8
>>321429118
I think this is probably the only game I've ever played where I made a female character, and that was only because it was considered canon.
Never again.
>>321474570
I mean, none of it is canon anymore really
>>321474570
>Meetra Surik.
fuck off bioware
>>321430137
I played the second one first and it made both games much better. that being said, 2 is a much better game
>>321474638
>yes it is, by almost any known ethical standard
That's just your opinion. Think of it as a weapon or a tool. Your character is merely a vessel, the one deciding to act is someone else, and going through with a contract or following orders is just lawful.
>not necessarily true and definitely not a valid excuse
Anything is a valid excuse.
>>321474725
Even in fiction, you often have a mercenary with a set of morals (Han Solo) and then one that just cares about the pay check and will do anything (Boba Fett).
They're not specifically referred to as mercenaries, but that's pretty much what they are.
>>321436805
Too bad Atton's voice actor is garbage.
>>321474982
tools don't have free will, you do. you are not a tool. you have free will and the responsibility for what you do by your hand is your own. the fact that someone told you to do it does not absolve you of any and all responsibility. you can still make a conscious decision not to do something you are told to do, especially if you are a mercenary where you can just choose not to take a contract (things are a bit more difficult if you're a soldier, since disobeying orders puts your life on the line instead of just a paycheck).
>>321475168
Conflict between law and chaos is entirely as valid as conflict between good and evil.
>>321475034
i don't think i ever denied that, in fact i even allowed that possibility explicitly when i said
>if you refuse certain contracts that you find distasteful, then you're more of a neutral character, but being pure mercenary is a pretty bad guy thing to be.
then again, the han solo we're introduced to (in the unedited version at least) is kind of a selfish prick to start with. his character grows throughout the course of the movie.
>>321475286
i never said it wasn't (and it's irrelevant, the point is personal responsibility for your own actions). and that's putting aside the fact that mercenaries tend to be chaotic, not lawful. they're just as likely to turn on their employer if they're offered a bigger paycheck.
>>321475459
>i never said it wasn't (and it's irrelevant, the point is personal responsibility for your own actions). and that's putting aside the fact that mercenaries tend to be chaotic, not lawful. they're just as likely to turn on their employer if they're offered a bigger paycheck.
>>I've been given a shitty contract
>>Sucks, and I don't like the job, but I'm bound to the contract and must see it through
Boom, textbook lawful neutral.
>>321429118
How yall feel about turning companions to jedis?
Never worked 100% for me desu
>>321475714
except most mercenaries aren't lawful, like i said
and being lawful doesn't absolve you from personal responsibility. this is why, for instance, lawful good characters frequently run into problems: their desire to fulfill their oath conflicts with their sense of morality because in whatever situation this might be, fulfilling their oath would be evil.
you seem to be suggesting that being contracted to do something absolves you of any responsibility. almost anyone would call that absurd because it is. even being a lawful character doesn't mean you have no free will. if you choose to do that bad thing, you're still doing a bad thing, whether or not you promised to do it.
i mean unless you're some sort of lawful creature without the capacity for free will, in which case maybe there's something to be said, but humans in star wars don't fall into that category.
>>321468218
>being a mercenary or bounty-hunter is generally bad guy behavior in any setting. you're basically saying you don't give a shit about ethics and will do whatever you're paid to do.
You pretty much described anyone with a job as mercenary. I don't know about you but I don't enjoy tricking people into buying shit or lying to cover the failures of a fellow employee but I sure as shit do it because it's my fucking job.
>>321476142
yes, the point i was making is that doing your job in those cases is still a bad thing. being assigned to do something doesn't absolve you of responsibility for your actions.
>>321476080
That's not lawful good.
A lawful good would think their oath to be good.
What you described is more neutral good.
>>321451673
>play female exile
>dance for vogga
>spend rest of game fighting in dancers outfit.
>>321476080
>except most mercenaries aren't lawful, like i said
Most Celestials aren't evil, or drow good. That's irrelevant.
>and being lawful doesn't absolve you from personal responsibility. this is why, for instance, lawful good characters frequently run into problems: their desire to fulfill their oath conflicts with their sense of morality because in whatever situation this might be, fulfilling their oath would be evil.
Not really. Your character values law over morals, and like I said, conflict between law and chaos is entirely as valid as good and evil.
>you seem to be suggesting that being contracted to do something absolves you of any responsibility. almost anyone would call that absurd because it is. even being a lawful character doesn't mean you have no free will. if you choose to do that bad thing, you're still doing a bad thing, whether or not you promised to do it.
No, it just comes down to personal views. Viewing contracts more important than moral dilemmas is perfectly valid.
>i mean unless you're some sort of lawful creature without the capacity for free will, in which case maybe there's something to be said, but humans in star wars don't fall into that category.
Do you mean the "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" Star Wars?
>>321435123
>Didn't turn him into a Jedi
you fucking pleb
>>321476235
>yes, the point i was making is that doing your job in those cases is still a bad thing. being assigned to do something doesn't absolve you of responsibility for your actions.
Even if the ends justify the means? Look at it this way, you're contracted to do something, you need money, you do your job, you have to do what you have to do. Last time I checked self preservation wasn't mercenary and there aren't a whole lot of people who can afford to be picky about what their job mandates if they want to make a respectable income. Not to mention that sometimes the ends justify the means, anyone who's worked in a technical sales industry knows this.
>>321476524
a lawful good character not infrequently gets into situations where either their oath or a promise they've made produces some situation where it would be unethical to fulfill their duty. this is one of the sources of conflict for these kinds of characters.
it doesn't even have to be part of their code, it could just be, for instance, that they've sworn to protect X and it turns out X is a bad guy whose goal is to kill everyone. fulfilling their sworn duty to protect X would be evil, the fact that they've sworn to do so doesn't mean they're innocent from whatever happens, it's the exact opposite, which is why it is a struggle to begin with.
>>321476802
i really don't see how what you're saying runs contrary to what i'm saying. what i've said is that swearing an oath, making a promise, accepting a job, etc. does not absolve you from personal responsibility. i didn't say that these things can't create conflict, i said that doing them doesn't magically make it so that whatever happens isn't your fault.
you can view your contracts as more important, it still doesn't mean you're not responsible for what happens.
HK-47 and Wookie with Sith Consular Exile best choice
>>321476972
that's really the first argument i've heard that i buy
yeah, there are some situations where people might be forced to make tough decisions. that's more of a gray area, to be sure.
but then the original situation was the guy was complaining because he was getting dark side forces for playing his character like he didn't care what happened to the jedi or the galaxy, so long as he turned a profit. so for that specific situation, i think that would be playing an evil character and getting ds points for that makes sense to me.
>>321477045
>i really don't see how what you're saying runs contrary to what i'm saying. what i've said is that swearing an oath, making a promise, accepting a job, etc. does not absolve you from personal responsibility. i didn't say that these things can't create conflict, i said that doing them doesn't magically make it so that whatever happens isn't your fault.
You don't see only because you're pushing your views on others. A lawful neutral character who kills a kid because of a contract doesn't turn evil. It would only be evil if it didn't bother the character at all.
>you can view your contracts as more important, it still doesn't mean you're not responsible for what happens.
It also doesn't mean that you are.
>>321477045
It really depends on how lawful they are.
Are they naive and aren't aware of the full extent of their oath? Then struggle can happen.
But you can also have zealots that believe that doing evil shit can produce a good outcome. The ends justify the means.
>>321477045
A lawful good character will typically ignore an oath, law or authority they consider unjust. This is stated directly in material for D&D paladins in the various sourcebooks. It is entirely possible for a paladin to go so far as to lead a full-scale revolution against an evil government, provided their endgame is to replace it with a just and moral government and not anarchy.
>>321477549
you're using d&d alignments as a tool to explain morality, which is backwards.
and i disagree. ultimately, any being with free will is responsible for their direct actions, at least. there's something to be said for unforseen consequences, but if you knowingly do something evil, you can't use "just following order" or "just doing my job" as a way to absolve yourself of responsibility. you still performed the action, and as you have free will, that makes you responsible.
>>321477663
sure, i was just providing an example of a situation where a lawful good character's lawful obligations can come into conflict with their sense of morality.
>>321477843
didn't know that, but that's good to know. i only read the 3.5 players guide and that was many years ago. i've never really touched d&d all that much.
>>321477843
Correct, paladins are good before they are lawful, that's why willingly doing something chaotic doesn't mean you fall, you just have to repent.
Willingly doing evil does make you fall, however.
>>321477854
>and i disagree. ultimately, any being with free will is responsible for their direct actions, at least.
That's an opinion, not an absolute truth.
Moral relativism is cancer.
>>321453429
Go watch the prequels, pleb.
>>321478238
I'd say being absolute is.
>>321478146
it's an opinion i've justified, at least in the abstract. if you have a counter-argument as to why it shouldn't be the case, then the way a debate works is that you provide reasoning as to why you believe that. stating that my views are an opinion is stating the obvious.
if you want a real world example of what i'm trying to point out, a contract killer is still on the hook for murder in almost every legal system (certainly in mine). so at least it seems that most people in the world agree that being under contract does not absolve you of the responsibility of doing something bad.
>>321478563
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
>>321478961
That in itself is an absolute, thus proving that Obi-wan was the real Sith Lord
