I'm playing this and wow, it's hard to imagine that Bioware did good games back then.
Play KOTOR2 and realize how superior it is to KOTOR.
>>321389746
/v/ were massive fanboys for Bioware and refused to believe they were shit until Dragon Age 2 came out.
Combined with TOR and Mass Effect 3's ending managed to destroy every bit of fanboys and love people had for Bioware on /v/ which results in the massive shitposting we have here today.
>>321389819
this desu
the writing in 1 is unbearable compared to obsidian's
>>321390728
Obsidian has this amazing talent of getting handed sequels for just this reason
>>321390728
I'd hardly call it unbearable.
Kotor 1 was written more like the original movies.
Kotor 2 was able to critique the whole jedi thing a lot better though.
>>321390786
>implying new vegas was better then 3 in anyway shape or form
lmfaoing over here tbqh
So /v/irgins, should I get this or Battlefront 2?
>>321393591
Ho is the MP in BF?
KotOR is a very competently made RPG you can just zoom through while munching popcorn. The story is just good old Star Wars.
Somehow, BioWare did very good when they had to adapt to the confines of a setting.
When they had to worldbuild, they didn't fly so good.
>>321394883
ded
>>321393346
Are you serious
Are you actually fucking implying 3 is in any shape, form or in any universe better than NV.
I'm seriously dying from laughter right now bro.
>>321389819
KOTOR is a Star Wars game, KOTOR II is an Obsidian game. First one is epic space story, second one is more personal IMO- less traditional adventure qualities.
>>321393346
New Vegas is way better.. you should be ashamed.
>yfw we will never get a good star wars game again
>yfw it will all be boom-boom pow-pow calladoody clones
>yfw eashills will buy these games because "its star wars guys"
>>321389819
Shame both games treat being a Sith like an edgy kid in highschool.
I honestly want to get into kotor but the dnd system literally kills all my interests.
I just started playing KTOR 2. The very beginning playing as the droid is annoying me. I just want to get out into the world and whap things with my laser sword.
>>321397845
>dnd system
It's not as apparent as you might think. You can actually turn your brain off for most of this game except for higher difficulties.
>>321398027
Protip: story is better than KOTOR but is less fun to play
good games?
this piece of SHIT game crashes EVERY SINGLE TIME after character creation, fuck it
>>321398080
I've never played KOTOR so I have no frame of reference anyway.
>>321398090
Disable the Frame skipping and soft shadows in advanced settings, that will fix it.I'm still getting crashes.
>>321389819
How?
I've played and finished both games multiple times, and there is no way in which KotOR 2 is better than the first one.
>>321396008
The mere fact that better writing makes KotOR 2 less of a Star Wars game is very telling.
>>321398080
>not played either game
>constantly seeing 1 is better than 2 in story and vice versa for gameplay
Come on guys, which is it? By my overall deduction of what people say on the internet: They are both either really shit or really good.
>>321390110
Only retards didn't believe it after the mediocre games that were Dragon Age and Mass Effect.
>>321397845
The combat is incredibly simple. Just go full melee attributes and max the skill that lets you do a flurry of fast attacks. You can steamroll everything in the game like this.
>>321398230
Both are good, anon. They are both good for different reasons, however. It's pretty inarguable that the vision for 2 was much better though.
Given that they had the time and resources to finish then the game would have easily been one of the greatest games of all time. As it stands, it's pretty much just as good as the first though.
>>321398230
KOTOR 1 is just better, really. KOTOR 2 is an unfinished, unpolished mess of a game, even worse than Obsidian's usual standards.
>>321398230
I played both. They're worth playing at least once.
>>321398271
But my flavor gameplay. What if I want a Jedi who only combats through the force?
>>321398230
2 has a better story because not every enemy is a cartoon villain. 2 has better gameplay because it's literally the first game with more feats, force powers and advanced classes (plus you actually start as a Jedi and you don't have to worry about the level cap). The only thing 1 did better was the plot twist, and I'm pretty sure that's just my nostalgia talking because I can't stand playing through it far enough to get there again.
>>321398351
Nah, the Revan reveal was actually pretty cool. The application COULD have been better but it was neat. Especially if you had no idea going in. They do a great job talking Revan up without making it obvious.
>>321398314
>>321398324
>>321398351
And there we have complete neutrality.
>>321398334
>What if I want a Jedi who only combats through the force?
Then use Jolee in your party.
>>321398351
>2 has a better story because not every enemy is a cartoon villain.
>implying there is anything wrong with cartoon villains in Star Wars
>>321389746
Bioware was really fucking good, even doing reasonably unique games like Jade Empire.
But then EA happened and now they get to make endless sequels to proven franchises.
>>321397839
That's because in Star Wars universe being a Sith unfortunately means that you also have to be a sperglord baby basher with rage issues that's evil for the sake of being an antagonist.
>>321398334
Learn Force Lightning.
The possible alignment penalties matter less and less as you progress
>>321398502
I can't enjoy them because right from the start the game is full of characters like this: https://youtu.be/XUZ68cxELYY?t=420
>>321398157
might try that, but honestly i am still way too pissed because i spend an hour on three characters just for it to crash every time
>>321390728
>obsidian's
You mean Chris Avellone? Who isn't working at Obsidian anymore. He is probably one of the only competent writers in the video games industry alongside John Gonzales.
Sawyer is a hack.
>>321398750
Honestly, after the second time you should have just googled if this was a reoccurring issue, and if there were fixes. Once you get back into the game, make sure to save often, and BEFORE you enter the escape pod to leave the tutorial. The game crashed for me right during the loading screen, and I lost everything. I have no idea what caused that, but it's made me terrified to even continue playing if the game's just going to crash every time I zone to a new area.
>>321398351
>2 has a better story because not every enemy is a cartoon villain
which makes no sense because it fucking star wars.
it was a pretentious mess of writting. with retarded characters.
so yeah
go deconstruct teletubbies fedoralord.
>>321398995
It's not deconstruction, just subversion.
And I think it's a reasonable thing to do, it's fun to subvert and look at an idea from a different perspective. It's just annoying when every starts acting like that should be the standard.
>>321399132
>And I think it's a reasonable thing to do
This. One of the reason why EU is so great.
>>321395060
>When they had to worldbuild, they didn't fly so good.
Mass Effect is fine. They just shat themselves hard when they got bought by EA and suddenly the Internet was making the games for them.
>>321398995
>which makes no sense because it fucking star wars.
You mean a story where the big bad villain is actually conflicted?
Also, fun fact; in Lucas' Episode VII, he would've expanded the story into various shades of grey.
inb4 "kreia literally did nothing wrong"
>>321400404
Technically, she didn't.
>>321398230
I is closer to a Star Wars experience, II is a deconstruction. Both have similar gameplay but II is bloated with too many filler perks, powers and items.
Vanilla II is incomplete and becomes so much better with TSLRCM.
I'll never get this "Bioware hate" meme that /v/ parrots. Compare them to /v/'s latest GOAT developer CDPR or even Obsidian and they shit on them everyday of the week.
CDPR
>first two games were borderline unplayable messes with shit tier gameplay
>Witcher 3 = Decent game that's still boring as fuck to play
Obsidian
>Every unique IP they make is complete bottom tier trash that only a small minority of cult like fags will shill (PoE and that fucking Alpha Protocol meme game that had some of the worst gameplay i've played)
>everything else is them riding the coat tails of more successful franchises made by more relevant developers (KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights and Fallout series)
Bioware
>Baldur's Gate 1
>Baldur's Gate 2
>Neverwinter Nights 1
>Jade Empire
>Dragon Age Origins (even Inquisition isn't that bad compared to Alpha shit and Witcher 1 & 2)
>Mass Effect trilogy (all great games, including 3 albiet 1 and 2 are better)
>KOTOR 1 (regarded by most as superior to the second in every way)
Bioware are proven, they have fucked up numerous times but when your first games were fucking GOAT RPGs like Baldur's Gate then that's expected. Obshittian and CDPR were mediocre at the start and mediocre in the present.
>>321401570
This got to be bait.
>>321389819
meme
>>321401656
Gee, you sure proved him wrong with that hot argument
>>321400404
she didn't do anything right either
>>321397839
That's exactly what it is though.
>>321401570
Ok Shill. Here's your reply post, go collect your paycheck from HR.
>>321397839
That's why Kreia came to mind to Obsidian, who wrote her again?
>>321393346
Remember kids. Bait like this actually gets retards believing the shit over time. Don't let memes snowball. Snuff them out whenever you spot their smoke.
>>321401570
Bait or not,I agree with you.
>>321389746
>tfw only one Star Map left
>tfw it's on that shitty neutral planet that's so god damned boring
>tfw it's my first play through and when we found out thatThe MC is Darth Revanit blew my mind.
Honestly, KOTOR feels like an inferior version of the first Mass Effect though.
>>321401945
>>321401770
Gee, he never provides a reasonable arguement himself. He just spews the names of games and says they are better just because. There are pros and cons to each dev and he's just shitposting. His image gave that away. Why try?
>>321401932
It's something awful fags who make shitty memes, and started the whole baka desu senpai thing here likely
>>321401570
Bioware made just one game though, over and over and over again.
>>321401932
>obsbabbian
What do?
>>321402090
>>321402041
>Honestly, KOTOR feels like an inferior version of the first Mass Effect though.
i bet you think me2 is a good game, neo /v/
I would love to replay the original KOTOR but shit doesn't work on windows 7.
>>321402052
>says they are better just because.
Because metacritic, literally any top 100 RPG list that has Baldur's Gates, KOTOR and even Mass Effect higher than any CDPR/Obshittian.
Name me 1 CDPR/Obsidian IP that matches Baldur's Gate or KOTOR in terms of critical success. Just one.
>>321402041
Because it is the same freaking game minus memory erase bit.
>four planets
>collect things
>ancient evil
>etc
>>321402194
>i bet you think me2 is a good game, neo /v/
Even at the time I remember being incredible disappointed with that game.
>>321402090
>>321402182
Continued.
>>321402182
>has to use user generated guides that padd out the list
You can do that with any Fallout 3 quest if you pad out every bullshit choice. Look at that very quest in here >>321402090 and the options aren't even close to as many as that meme picture suggests.
Also
>one quest
>>321402319
Exactly, and just the way you walk around the spaceship and interact with your companions reminds me a lot of ME as well.
>>321402389
Your post cherry picks and lies, bubby.
>>321402363
That's a complete list. Nothing. NOTHING in Fo3 comes close to the variety in:
>>321402182
But please. Find an equivalent, prime example and share.
>>321402363
>game made by Obsidian where they reused every asset from FO3 has more content than FO3
>still released a buggy mess
>still has more linear quest designs on average
>still got raped in terms of metacritic success
Come back when your developer isn't riding on the coat tails of other developers
>>321402293
I just played through it on Windows 7. No problems. I don't even think I did any patching to it, and ran it at 1600x1200.
>>321402551
>>game made by Obsidian where they reused every asset from FO3 has more content than FO3
Its funny. In a year they reused Fo3 assets and produced something with double the content of Fo3 AND Fo4, which took fucking half a decade.
>>321402101
Unzip dick
>>321402537
>using that debunked meme flow chart
>>321402295
Witcher didn't become a meme game until 3. Mass Effect had a head start since 1
>>321402657
>games with new assets take longer
See pic related if you want to see what Obshittian manage to make when they aren't leeching off another developer
>>321402765
wut
Mass Effect became a meme game at 2
>>321402875
>Alpha Protocol
>bad
You clearly didn't play it.
>>321402875
>Obshittian try to make a new IP
>yellow reviews
No wonder they keep begging to make spin offs
>>321397768
I am kinda hoping that with the failure of Battlefront that Disney looks at licensing it out instead of sticking solely with EA in the future.
>>321402765
>meme game
The fuck does that even mean? Mass Effect trilogy >>>>>> The Shitter trilogy.
>>321402875
OBSIDIAN BABBIES ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>321403085
This is you
>>321403008
>>321403137
DAMAGE CONTROL
>>321403186
This is also you
so
how is TOR?
>>321403232
It's exactly as good as you would expect a modern Bioware game to be.
im playing this in german and i got tired and frustrated and stopped playing
Why is german so hard bros???
>>321396008
>more personal
The crux of 1's plot revolves around the MC's true identity. 2 is about someone trying to destroy the Force.
>>321403936
Spoilers you asshat.
>>321404004
kek, good one
>>321402635
Crashes for me every time right after I make a character.
>>321404189
Compatibility mode
>>321403936
You being Revan doesn't impact the plot much from what I can remember.
Your party member and Malak comment on it and that's about it.
>>321402293
>>321402635
>>321404189
There's a guide in Steams "Community-guide" section, game runs perfectly fine for me in widescreen
>>321398260
Those were still pretty good. DA:O is a genuinely great game.
>>321404405
The beginning of the end
>>321398995
>go deconstruct teletubbies fedoralord.
Did you mean "go deconstruct teletubby fedoralords" or are you really too retarded to try and insult someone on 4chan?
>>321404525
>>321398260
>>321390110
Mass Effect trilogy and Dragon Age Origin >>>>>>> any new IP Obshittian or CDshit managed to make.
>>321404405
>DA:O
>Genuinely great
Nope. It was decent but 'great' is an overstatement. It wasn't anywhere near as good as Baldur's Gate or even Neverwinter Nights.
>>321404772
kok tup
>>321404880
>It wasn't anywhere near as good as Baldur's Gate or even Neverwinter Nights.
Yeah, because games are like wine and automatically are better the older they are. Yeah no, you need to elaborate.
NWN was shit and BG had less non-combat roleplaying elements than DA:O. BG2 and NWN2 are both a bit better than the previous games but only got really good on ToB and MotB.
>>321405610
What's so good about Mask of the Betrayer?
>>321405779
Everything is better than in the original game, the story, characters and interaction with the world. There are lot more choices and consequences.
>>321402875
A great game that reviewers disliked because they can't handle Deus Ex shooting?
>>321402875
The reviewers are retarded, who would've thought.
>>321389819
KOTOR 1 is better as an actual game. 2 is better written, but the gameplay content is garbage, even with the cut content patch.
>Started a new game yesterday
>Decide to play as a woman, never tried that before
>mfw I get in game and she has an AWESOME ass
Can't believe I never knew about this all these years. Makes it hard to play the game though.
>>321398805
Sawyer isn't a writer.
[Something seems to be bothering Carth. Maybe you should speak to him and see if you can get him to open up about it.]
>>321408354
Mockery: "Oh, Master, I do not trust you! I cannot trust you, or anyone else ever again!"
>>321390728
>>321389819
I am still fucking mad, that Kotor2 has this shitty ending, bcs they have to release game earlier.
>>321397839
Blame Lucas for being a shitty writer.
So is KOTOR 2 worth a buy? I've gotten really close to beating KOTOR 1 but never actually finished it. Everyone says that the KOTOR 2 ending is shit but is it even worth a playthrough?
>tfw nobody ever mentions how good an OST the first KOTOR had
I still remember Dantooine's theme. It really helped make it feel like you were in the plot of a SW movie.
>>321408825
yes the ending is only bad because we wont get a sequel just remember to get the patch.
>>321408825
It's good, especially with the restored content mod.
>get the urge to replay Kotor 2 after all the star wars posting
>remember Peragus
>remember Telos
>>321408825
It's worth a playthrough if you like good writing that critically analyzes the Star Wars mythos. The gameplay is worse than 1 but still enjoyable.
>>321402903
>implying it wasn't a meme since le sex scenes in 1
>>321398334
Then I suggest you continue to wait for an actually good Star Wars RPG. KOTOR is completely built from the ground up with your MC being a melee using humen Jedi in mind.
>>321409017
There's mods that skip them, you know. It even gives you all the experience/items/party members from them as if you'd 100%ed them yourself.
>>321409067
>The gameplay is worse than 1
Why?
>>321403936
lol what? 2 is about coming to terms with the events that happened on Malachor
>>321408981
The ending is shit because it feels like Obsidian wanted to make a proper ending where you get to see what happens to the characters after the boss but needed to release the game in a month and had to settle forKreia telling you what happens in predictions.
>>321402875
One of the better rpgs actually.
>>321407310
That makes no sense. KotOR II had the same gameplay but with more powers, feats, classes and items.
I've always preferred KOTOR because the story has more polish and isn't just a cluster fuck of ideas poorly strung together like KOTOR2.
Not bait family. Just an opinion of equal value to your own.
>>321409225
The game was given a rushed holiday deadline for Christmas by order of LucasArts. At least three of the planets, including the one at the very end, are severely lacking in content, at least two major areas were cut completely, and what's left has almost no polish whatsoever to the point where the stage design has a tendency to expose flaws in the engine that KOTOR 1's stage design usually routed around. The restored content mod restores some of the content (duh) but they can't do anything about the polish.
I don't blame Obsidian for it, but it doesn't change the fact that the game itself is worse as an actual game.
>>321409553
I love how this excuse flies for fucking KOTOR, but not MGSV.
>>321409553
But Anon, content, or the lack of it, has nothing to do with the actual gameplay.
Yes, Kotor 2 lacks content for known reasons, but that doesn't affects the gameplay, which is exactly like Kotor 1.
>>321409948
I do cut mgs 5 slack for this obviously, i think its tragic we were robbed of a complete game
>>321409948
To be fair, just a little under 17 months at the most (assuming development of Kotor 2 started right after the xbox Kotor 1 was released) is not a lot of time to develop a game.
>>321409948
>MGSV
Who cares?
>>321409948
Nobody mentioned MGSV, anon.
>>321410289
Content absolutely is part of gameplay, because unpolished content exposes flaws in the gameplay engine that KOTOR 1 normally didn't have. For example, all those times where you have a narrow corridor with a bunch of mines in between you and the enemies, resulting in your party invariably running into the mines. This happens at least once a planet, usually more.
