>npcs mention parts of previous games like they are legends
>>321352219
>npcs mention things based off of how far you are into the games and what quests you have done.
>>321353397
>npcs react to sequence breaking
>>321353789
no game does this
>>321353882
Metroid Fusion
>>321352219
>JRPG
>It's a tough boss you're suppose to lose to.
>Cutscenes and dialogue change and you're rewarded for being badass.
>NPC gives you shit for playing on easy mode
>npcs react to how good you've been playing
>>321353916
Really?
You can sequence break in that game?
>>321353882
Metroid Fusion. You get a hidden message from Adam if you sequence break.
>npc still charges you full price for goods despite the fact that you just saved their village from being raided, plundered, and raped
>NPCs permanently change your name if you steal something
>>321353982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N025nnrcGrc
>>321353936
>Strategy game
>Mission is to escape from three end game bosses only halfway through the game
>If you stay and beat them their leader congratulates you and gives you a ton of high end equipment
>Npcs react to you walking away during conversations
>if you do it too much they even deny you their services
>>321353982
There's a particular section that allows for a particularly difficult level of sequence breaking requiring dozens of precision shinesparks
>>321354060
>raid, plunder and rape a village
>still have to pay full price
>npcs travel to other parts of the world
>they tell other npcs about their adventures
>>321354060
Are you trying to act like the bandit now?
>>321354060
>Expecting special treatment for doing your job
Bet you also complain about being "friendzoned" just because common courtesy doesn't net you sex.
>>321354109
SRW?
I kind of wish there was an RPG that was just mainly focused on a big city that had a ton of unique characters that would react to your actions and interfere with each other. Like, if you kill one person that doesn't only affect the people immediately involved with him, but has cascading effects that will change the plans of other characters as well.
Probably too difficult to make, but a man can dream.
>>321354272
>projecting
>>321354374
Fuck, just thinking about programming that gives me shivers.I kinda wanna make a game like that now though.
>>321354272
>Being given a slight discount on a weapon/potion that will help you go save the world is the equivalent to being friendzoned for being nice
Shouldn't you be trolling /r9k/?
>>321354065
Fucking Links Awakening
>>321354374
just make a game with true AI, pretty easy.
>>321353963
>Pick Normal difficulty
>That's what I expected from you!
>>321354374
dragon age 2
>NPCs react to how you have finished particular situations
Love how if you go through Liberty Island and Battery Park in two different ways (ex. go in guns blazing killing everyone in one and minimal kills in the other) Paul will comment on that when you reach Hell's Kitchen. He'll be like bruh chill with the killing like you did at Battery Park do shit like Liberty where you were calmer and didn't go on a killing spree.
>>321353789
VTM Bloodlines knew of the clicking back and forth between the clan selection and character sheet trick to get more points to spend on stats, and Jack makes a comment about cheating.
>>321354469
>>321354502
Probably the only way you could do it would be to make a bunch of different systems for each facet of society that you want to emulate, throw a bunch of NPC's in there and hope that everything works. If you somehow kill all the brickmakers in the city you don't want people repairing buildings out of cheese, or something
>>321354749
pls no
>>321354374
Not just focused on one big city, but like I said >>321354759 Deus Ex has people reacting in all sorts of ways.
>>321354859
I think the main thing it would come down to is how detailed you wanted to get with it.
Is it just going to be an NPC saying one line of dialogue about it, or would it completely change their entire dialogue?
>>321354865
>Deus Ex has people reacting in all sorts of ways
yeah for like the first 2 hours then it completely stops noticing anything you do
>>321354996
I think ideally it would change their actions and their dialogue depending on what happened. Maybe a group is planning to assassinate an important person, and the assassin gets murdered by you. Now they have to either get another assassin, or try another plan. Something like that would be ridiculously complex to program in the normal way, but I can't help but think about it after playing through games like Skyrim where NPC's are monolithic entities that don't react to what you do, and games like Pathologic which has a interesting storyline and a huge number of characters which give the illusion of them acting like independent entities.
>>321353882
Hell Witcher 3 did it this year.
>>321353882
Its not big but in FF12 you can take a fucked up route through the desert to behind nalbina fortress and the two soldiers guarding it wonder how in the hell you survived such high level enemies.
>npcs get uncomfortable or scared if you get too close to them
>>321355620
Serious question: where did it acknowledge sequence breaking outside of not doing Velen->Novigrad->Skellige?
>>321355975
HD GTA games, to an absurd degree, do this.
>>321356012
You can finish some monster hunts before actually getting the contract to do so in a lot of cases.
>win the impossible to win route
>enemy starts accusing you of cheating and hacking the game
>>321353963
>Boss mocks you for playing on Easy mode and doesn't let you fight the final boss
>>321353982
>Sequence breaking?
>In a Metroid game?
>>321355343
You can simulate that pretty easily with event listeners.
>guy1 sends "I'm dead" global message
>listeners of guy1 collect message and apply corresponding results
It's kind of inefficient, but it fits the concept.
If you want unique results for every interaction, that would require a lot of effort in data modeling and implementation, and I mean -a lot- of work, and it's not even the fun / innovative work. It's the grindy, not-so-fun work. there's so little to gain by doing it, too.
It wouldn't even be interesting since you'd eventually run out of those unique results. Too much to do for a novelty.
>sequel has a different protagonist
>at some point during the game you meet the protagonist of the original game
>camera lets you look up npcs skirts.
>>321356175
Fusion is one of the most linear Metroid game, probably more so than the Prime trilogy.
>>321356221
Alicesoft did that in one of their games.
In the sequel you can NTR the protagonist of the previous game
>>321352219
>recurring NPC becomes playable character
>playing the sequel
>find the body of the previous main character
>who died alone
>>321356190
I think the main objective would just to be to provide a kind of social sandbox for people to fuck around in, remove certain people and see how the system rearranges itself afterwards. As far as I know there aren't really any games like that.
>you can skip the second last boss fight if you have enough points
>>321353882
Phantom Hourglass if you use walkthrough walls to go to the room linebeck is trapped in he will say 'How did you get in here?".
>>321356221
That fight with Red was the most amazing part of my early childhood.
>>321354272
Is there any game that lets you save a village and then just kidnap and fuck a bunch of hot girls as your reward?
I feel not enough games let you do that.
>>321356421
>>321356421
>Distant sequel to game
>Partner from the original game's grandson is in new game
>You can find the old partner's grave in the area behind grandson's house
>>321356552
Rance
>>321356221
Leo Stenbuck in ZoE2 was pretty good
>>321353882
>underage b&
>>321356676
I heard that Rance was storyboarded by a woman, is that true?
>>321356909
The main writer for the first two decades was a woman.
And most of the setting was derived then.
>>321356221
Name some good examples of this, because it's normally shit in videogames and TV shows. They bring them back inexplicably weaker just to make new characters seem better for whatever shit reason.
>>321353882
Even Fallout 4 does this for stuff.
>>321357082
Does she have a self-insert?
I am going to have maximum sex with the self insert.
>>321356221
>old protagonist is now a boss
>>321357218
Kanami obviously
>>321357242
I kind of doubt anyone from the previous 2 games will be in Dark Souls 2.It would admittedly be pretty sweet if that was the case
>>321357106
Tsumamigui 2
You don't meet the protagonist of the previous game but you meet the heroine of the previous game (his wife) and you fuck her and steal her from him.
The third game in the series is coming out in January
>>321352219
Pretty much the only okay thing about DaSII lore
>>321357436
It's the chosen undead in the cover, just the flames are fading
he probably will be a boss
>>321357106
>ZOE 2
>Pokemon Gold/Silver
>Sukioden 2
>Yakuza 4
>>321356481
That's because it would be a statistical blob simulation, and those don't make very good games.
More of a fish tank than a game.
>>321357106
Metal Gear Solid 2
>>321356421
What game
>>321357751
Shin Megami Tensei II.
>>321357106
S.T.A.L.K.E.R did this
>>321357106
Nigga pls
>getting on top of the world to battle him
>he doesn't even utters a word
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cw3vfuHh_A
>>321352219
>>321353397
>literally every single casual trash RPG does this
>>321357876
why the fuck would he talk, he didnt in the previous game
>>321358154
Precisely. They didn't downplayed him and that was kind of badass.
>>321358110
name 20 that do both
>>321354374
I want this as well but like you said it sounds like a fucking pain in the ass to program and I don't even have any knowledge on that shit. I was hoping someone would achieve it by making ir completely text based with turn based combat, NSEW navigation and maybe some static pictures if they want to get fancy but even then it might be too hard.
I want a game that just drops you in the world where you character is just born and you can make your own story by going on big main questlines like trying to become king, getting revenge on a faction that takes out one of your companions during a random adventure or trying to steal some valuable treasure if you choose to become a master theif. A game where you can craft your own story as you play. Too hard?
>>321358110
Final Fantasy games barely do any of that. Remember WELCOME TO CORNELIA?
>>321358154
The point is that he's a badass.
>>321357436The trinkets I'll be stripping off your corpse; that's the real treasure!
>>321358315
I LIKE SWORDS
>>321353397
stupid bearposter
>>321358280
>name 20
Do your own fucking googling, retard.
>>321358304
Emergent story telling is pretty hard to do without sacrificing other important game elements and the result is always mediocre at best.
>>321358315
>JRPGs
>are rpgs
pick one
>>321357242
what games actually do this?
>>321358670
Diablo
>>321358304
Older CRPGs often did something close to that, since they're based on PnP adventure games.
You know, actual role-playing games that encouraged DMs to develop worlds and inhabitants for players to interact with, rather than string together a sequence of events that lead to some predetermined end.
Try Darklands.
>>321358670
Disgaea
>>321358670
Pokemanz
Diablo
Torchlight
>>321354559
What's it like being a shitter
>>321358670
Prototype, and it was horrible.
>>321358512
>emergent story-telling is hard to do (in video games)
Try impossible.
Only Dwarf Fortress comes close, and even then, you'll find obvious patterns after a few sessions.
Extrapolation via imagination doesn't cut it, either.
Narrative in emergent storytelling is supposed to be created by a game master (ie: the game), not the player.
Otherwise, the player becomes the narrator, and that's just awkward.
>>321357106
He fucks you up too
>>321359246
he's piss easy since your grab easily locks him into a pattern
>>321352219
>cant kill everything after you finish the game and just want to mow everyone down with a minigun.
>>321356521
this girl is weirdly familiar
>ng+ boss is the character you finished the game with
>>321359431
I guess someone hasn't played GTA before.
>>321357106
Mafia II
>>321356221
Golden sun and you could transfer your save from the first and get all the shit yoy gotin the first game
>>321359613
Im not talking about gta, Im talking about Fallout, damn invincible characters.
>>321358379
Lautrec will never kill that faggot for shits and giggles
>yfw you realize YOU areArtorias
>>321359717
>can kill faction leaders as soon as you meet them
>random bitch in your settlement is invincible
>>321359717
New Vegas exists. Only the children are unkillable
>>321354374
just mod AA2 to be a city
>NPC gives you advice that is the exact opposite of what you should do
>>321354374
Funny enough that was the original idea of Oblivion. Beside a few focused scripts such as NPC go to X town every weekend to talk to a friend or to shop the only thing it really did was have randomly killed off NPCs that got caught by the guards when they try to steal a loaf of bread because their hunger bar was too high.
I believe one of the early video showcase this by having a NPC get annoyed by her pet dog barking so she used a fire spell to kill it off.
I know what you meant and want but I'm just saying the last time someone even try something close to it they got very lazy with it.
>>321359873
>>321356174
>while making this face
>>321360046
This should happen more often, but playtesters will hate it.
>>321354065
Hi THIEF, how are you doing?
>>321356143
Sengoku Rance?
>>321354065
>>321360460
In the remake it is required to steal and be stuck with that name if you want all of the possible photos.
>>321354559
>he didn't immediately restart on hard just to get gene to fuck off
>tutorial battle
>say that the enemies were weak
>monsters here this and come back for a 2nd round immediately after
>game gets set to hard mode
>>321360570
Yes
>>321357106
Borderlands 2
>>321357106
>character of previous game returns
>he's an unbelievably broken superboss who can casually obliterate your entire party if you go into battle blind without speccing for him
>random battle theme from his game is playing for the entire fight and it's incredibly apparent he's not even trying
That boss battle was so good. It was so painful but holy shit it was so good.
>>321357106
Metal Gear Solid 2 handled Snake as an A.I character great though. He's just as competent as a top tier player when he's doing shit with you.
>boss battle
>there's no way you can beat them or even hurt them
>>321354060
>have king at the front of your party
>NPC tries to give you shit for free
>king tells them they have a family to feed and pays anyway
>>321356174
Fucking X-Men on Sega Genesis.
>>321358670
SMT: Digital Devil Saga did it. Demi-fiend from Nocturne was the super boss. His normal battle theme was playing, he used mid game demons and moves, and he one shots you with an end game move if you break the rules of the fight.
>>321353882
Mass Effect does that.
>NPCs give you shit if you cheat
>>321362704
But Malkav gave me super stats!
>>321361567
>>321362091
Even if you cheat by locking his group on a buff/debuff loop the battle can still take about a hour.
>>321363058
I keep wondering if they only noticed that exploit when it was too late to fix it and decided to have some fun with it or if it was planned from the start.
>Freespace
>late game mission where everything is going to shit and the Shivan rape train is going full force
>end of mission, a gigganigga battleship shows up
>command tells you to get the fuck out
>dodge fighters and slowly peck away at it autistically until it dies
>end mission
"Sure you disobeyed a direct order but holy shit"
>>321361567Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road. Neither human, nor devil... all bends to my will.
>>321359462
reverse search the image and you'll know why
>>321359717
good thing different games exist right senpai?
>>321354859
Actually people making buildings out of cheese sounds like it would be pretty great.
>>321356221
Although I don't really like Twilight Princess all that much being taught moves by the dead Hero of Time gives me such a boner.
>>321357192
Fallout THREE did that stuff.
Hell, the NORMAL way to play Fallout 2 is to sequence break. Who the hell just waits to get Advanced Power Armor after they already know about it? I guess you can't technically call it sequence breaking if the world is open, but there IS a breadcrumb trail you'd normally follow as far as the main quest is concerned and the high level enemies on the way to camp Navarro can fuck you up.
>>321362148
Say what you want about Bioware. But the hidden Dialog with legion, Tali, Jack, and the others is just top tier stuff.
>Edit Legion is because muh robot
>Bring him with me on Tali loyalty mission
>She starts to warn me about bringing a geth onto the flotilla
>Guards are locked and loaded and tell me to get that thing off the ship.
There's actually paragon and renegade options too. Same when you bring him to recruit Tali
>>321357106
Deus Ex: Invisible War
