God fucking dammit, why did nobody tell me that Hotline Miami 2 was so much more shit than the first game?
First of all, the levels are MUCH larger, and there are way more see-through glass panes, which makes the shift button a necessity. And, since the levels are larger and there are glass panes everywhere, you will constantly get shot from across the level by enemies which you can't even see with the shift-looking. Loads of unfair deaths. Also, there are way more guns and way more enemies that require more than one shot, making melee useless.So, what you end up doing is peek-a-booing from a corner until an enemy sees you, and when he is near, shoot him. Then go to the next corner and repeat for the rest of the game.
Remember the 10th level (Hot & Heavy) from Hotline Miami 1? With the absurd amount of glass panes and loads of enemies you can't see (but they can see you)? Imagine that one level made into a whole game. That's Hotline Miami 2 for ya.
I never would have guessed that levels where you aren't allowed to kill (Writer's chapters) would be the best levels in a fucking Hotline Miami.
The plot is just a clusterfuck of timelines, characters and stories (some of which aren't even resolved properly) with plot "twists" everywhere. The ending also sucked. But nobody follows the plot, so that isn't much of a complaint.
It seems like the only thing they didn't screw up was the soundtrack.
Oh, and the fucking level editor is a disappointment.
that's what literally everyone is saying
Its almost like we've known that since it came out, hence why it doesn't get much discussion here.
Old news OP.
Hotline Miami 2 was the first game I got refunded on steam. It was such a damn disappointment.
>>321288065
>why did nobody tell me that Hotline Miami 2 was so much more shit than the first game?
But everyone did anon
Still it's not a bad game if you get over the huge levels and windows everywhere
The art threads after launch were the greatest OC I've seen in a while here
>>321288156
>>321288369
What
Every thread, every general and post about it was praising it here on /v/
>>321288582
You must've been browsing a different site. After the launch literally every thread was full of rage and complaints about the level design
also twincest best cest
>>321288582
You must have been visisting other, more shit chans my buddy pal, we always hated it, shitposters say its good, but its just shitposting, almost everybody here disliked it for good reasons.
I made something in level editor about jacket's return. wanna see, hotline miami folks?
>>321288065
You're right on all accounts. So many weird and bizarre design decisions that just make me scratch my head, it's as if the developers had no idea what made the first game fun and mechanically sound.
The soundtrack of the second game is vastly superior to the first one, though.
>>321288065
Even though the levels were big huge, I found myself using the shift look more than I ever did in the original game.
My major gripe was that I was hyped about all the cool new masks and level editor but we didn't get those. There were also a bunch of bugs but nothing really irritating.
Overall it was a fun game, I'm glad they tried something different instead of making HM 1 2.0. I don't think it was as good as the first one but it was still good.
>>321288065
>hating HM2 is the new meme now
just fuck off people...just fuck off
>>321288854
Post more
>>321288705
>>321289127
holy fuck stop with the revisionism crap dipshits...people liked the games except the retards that cant pass the boat and the beard levels...it was all about pardoposting,feels from the bald guy and his mother
>>321288065
>why did nobody tell me that Hotline Miami 2 was so much more shit than the first game?
We did, mostly people who played the game and uses /v/ says it is shit compared to the first one in literally every HM2 thread ever, sorry if you are stupid and didnt read any of the threads, or the steam forums, or the reviews of it.
Since thread has nothing left in it, post best tracks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaE20aXxCz4
Only enjoyable level in the game worth a damm aswell. Man, how did they fuck it up?
>>321289760
Nah, it was the shitposters who said /v/ can't have fun and HM2 is overall a good game. The general consciousness here was that it had a good soundtrack and nice story but too many characters and too big and open levels and too many windows
>>321288065
Welcome to half a year ago
>there are people who can't beat hard mode
>>321290193
more like 10 months ago
>>321289956
well you manage to word better than me the general consensus...but overall people still enjoyed the game.Now people hates the game like its was Gone Home or some shit
>>321289760
Unbiased source here
I vividly remember everyone saying the game was shit in January
>>321290305
To be honest the Nuclear Plant was just total complete artificial difficulty bullshit, worse than I've seen in any game. Still beat it after days of trying
>>321290395
People said that from the beginning, but in reality majority of /v/ played it and probably even enjoyed it more than other games this year. But it's still worse than HM1
>>321289760
What fucking revisionism? I was there the when the game was released and everyone agreed the game had serious flaws. How about you go and check the archive instead of trusting your faulty memory?
>>321290305
Honestly, its beatable, just bullshit.
And I refuse to play a game purposefully made to be bullshit when it has no reason to be.
Reminder that the Miami Mutilator is still out there and that we should devote all resources to their investigation
>all those hotline miami 1 fags that don't want simply to git gud
Hotline miami 2 had some problems but the biggest problem is that the developer overestinated his audience and didnt know that his playerbase was a bunch of casuals crybabies
>>321290891
Then prove it's beatable faggot
>>321290305
fuck that dead end level with the detective, not only the level is inverted but you also end up on the worst possible angle when you go upstairs after that open area with a window.
>>321291135
Pardo would be ashamed, anon.
>>321288065
I agree that the windows and guns all over the place were a pain in the ass but I still found that 90% of the time the best way to get through something was to resist the urge to plan a route and just run in and play it by ear.
Getting over that internal barrier made the game fun. Getting myself to play it completely different to other action games was the true challenge.
Is the level editor out?
>>321289760
The vast majority of /v/ whined about the game and said it was shit.
Unsurprisingly, the majority of /v/ also happens to be shit at video games and will happily point out non-existant "flaws" in an attempt to cover up their inability to git gud.
Asking someone what they thought about HM2 is the perfect way to find out how much of a scrub they are.
>>321291078
Search youtube for hotline miami hard mode speedrun.
>>321291360
Pic related, its you.
>>321288065
I just got past Death Wish and I'm honestly enjoying it. The game is hard, but that's about it.
>>321291448
>Search youtube for hotline miami hard mode speedrun.
>instead of doing it yourself
I know it's a top meme to say /v/ doesn't play videogames but come on faggot.
>>321291645
Hard, because it's poorly designed compared to it's predecessor.
>>321291694
>Prove you can beat it
>Here's video proof.
>WOW YOU DIDN'T DO IT YOURSELF
Hows that relevant, dumbass.
>>321291714
HM1 was hard too, I just gottagit gud.
>>321291794
>prove /you/ can beat it
>here's someone else beating it
>but can YOU beat it?
>MUH WINDOWS MUH GIGANIGGAS MUH DEAD AHEAD MUH DEATH WISH
Just admit you're shit at videogames and go beat it instead of shitposting
>>321291694
You actually think I am touching the game ever again? Its unistaled and deleted, and has been so for months, I ain't installing it again and playing it through the entire bloody game for you pal.
I gave you proof, go check it out, don't consider it proof, then I don't really care, you do you.
merry christmas pal.
>>321291934
You wanted to know if the level is beatable or not, it is and it doesn't matter who beat it
>>321291290
he should be ashamed of being in the game
>>321291934
Wait, sorry. I added the "you" because I didn't realise you were being a semantic faggot and would move the goalpost.
The original was just "Then prove it's beatable faggot"
Sorry that you're such a massive whining retard.
>>321288065
hello reddit
>>321288582
Are you retarded?
The only thing that was better in 2 was the soundtrack.
>>321291825
HM1 had a great level design and after playing 2 it really isn't that hard.
HM2 is "hard" only because of the shitty design choices
>>321292003
No, I never thought for a second that you would actually git gud enough to beat it.
>>321292136
refer to >>321290305
>There are STILL people who can't beat hard mode
L M A O
HM2 > HM1
It's a fact
You're disliking it because you're bad at videogames.
>>321292241
Okay you're just retarded
Abandon thread, shitpostign fuckbois are here.
>>321292241
>Oh yeah, well here's a post that isn't relevant.
Wow, you really are retarded.
Fuck off back to reddit, faggot.
>>321292280
I 100%-ed the game and I disagree.
I still really like it though.
>>321292353
>>321292375
Fuck off back to reddit HM1 cucks
I swear one day I'm gonna go full autist and do a matthewmatosis-tier video on why there's literally nothing wrong with HM2's level design and why people who complain about it are tonyfag babies who can't adapt to the playstyle that's necessary to beat it.
>>321292375
>He still can't beat hard mode!
You'll never catch the Dreaded and Heinous Miami Mutilator like this, anon.
I've only played through the first five stages trying to get S ranks. I've got S ranks in two of them but only A+ and A's in the other three.
It's pretty frustrating and I stopped playing like a week after it was released. Maybe I'll go back to it and try to finish it just for the story. I don't even think the story is all that great though.
well, at least the soundtrack was great
>>321292513
But that isn't relevant.
The request was "prove it's beatable"
I did, and you started crying about
>B-B-But this guy said some people didn't beat hard mode.
So what, most people don't do a lot of things.
Fuck me, you're retarded.
>disliking Hotline Miami because ''hurr durr getting shot across the map WOOOW, NO WAY I could have seen that coming!''
>not because it limits you too much and tries to force you to play in a certain way
Fuck off.
It's a flat out lie that enemies can shoot you without you seeing them. I've tested it. The sniper rifle is one of the best guns because you see farther than the NPCs.
I don't like Hotline Miami because it does stupid shit like forcing you to to play a guy who has a gun and a knife. Then they give you only three masks for each level and there's only one viable way of completing the level.
>>321292725
>>321292750
hello reddit
>>321292750
>It's literally impossible for him to beat hard mode!
Nobody can be this bad, can they?
HM2 is worse in every way but soundtrack.
>>321292994
sup reddit-kun
>>321292452
I also want to make an autism video about how I think thatHotline Mimai 2 is shit on purpose to piss of storyfags. Maybe I'm reading too much into things, but I'm close to believing thats what all this Richter bullshit amounts to; mocking people who overanalyzed the first game
>>321292976
But you haven't beat it though.
Sorry for winning this argument so hardyou got brain damage or became American or something.
>>321293027
sup faggot-kun.
>>321292757
yeah because being given a selection of 30 masks with only 2 or 3 being actually useful with actual major gameplay differences is so much better!
>>321292976
Hey, original guy here, you are talking to somebody else pal.
Eh, happens. Should have seen it coming pal, its a frog poster, why did ya take it seriously?
>>321293063
>He will never EVER beat hard mode!
I wonder what it's like, to be shit at vidya
>>321293048
I got that feeling too which is pretty dumb. I mean I can understand being annoyed that people didn't enjoy the game the way you hoped but still purposely alienating your fans when you were already niche in the first place is pretty ill-advised.
disliking HM2 is reddit
fuck redditors here
>>321288065
Am I the only one here hated first playthrough and liked it after second playthrough?
Was literally just about to buy this game today. Thanks for saving me some money, looks like I'll just play through the 1st one again.
>>321293176
Even if what you said wasn't a complete lie which it is), that'd still be better then the tiny selection we got in the second game.
>>321289490
he's right tho. I still find the game fun anyway.
>>321293257
See
>>321290305
nice fake proof though.
>>321293176
Wow, you go to reddit too?
That's my favorite fallacy!
>>321293326
Its common sense tbhfam. Like saying liking oxygen is reddit.
>>321293048
i pray that wasnt the intent because thats real fuckin stupid
especially since storyfags and memeposters are the only people still trying to pretend its good or even passable
like you know what wouldve pissed off the storyfags proper, having it be a good, well-designed game where the story is meaningless or otherwise incomprehensible
or maybe actually releasing the level editor in a fucking timely fashion and nixing the story altogether in favor of "infinite replayability" or some shit
>>321293259
I thought it was sort of neat actually, because MUH AVANT GARDE.
Really tho, the writer represents players who tried to read too much into the story of the first game, this becomes apparent in the NG+ intro where richard says to the writer:
>I'm the opposite of why you're writing your book.
>I'm something you will never understand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh5MzRuU31U
Seriously, watch this scene and see how richard is addressing really talking to the player and not the characters.
>>321293606
The thing is, the story is sort of why the gameplay of HM2 sucks. Restricting masks because of the "lore", killing off the fans (get it?) etc.
>>321293245
>Should have seen it coming pal, its a frog poster, why did ya take it seriously?
The frogposter proves him wrong though, you idiot.
>>321294265
just saying it seems like a real phil fish way of exercising your frustration with people over-analyzing subtext that you didnt really put any effortful thought into
like, maybe you just straight up say that instead of going
>YEAH NAH FUCK THESE PEOPLE IM BOUT TO MAKE THE SEQUEL SHITTY AS FUCK JUST TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT THEIR DUMB LORE OBSESSION
>THERES ABSOLUTELY NO WAY INTENTIONALLY HANDICAPPING A SEQUEL TO A GAME PEOPLE REALLY LIKED FOR THE SAKE OF "ART" OR "MESSAGE" COULD GO WRONG
Second one was decent but the thing is the first one was an arcade style game which had a story in the background that you could completely ignore , the second one was completely in service to the story
It was jarring playing as one character only to completely be in control of another
Still liked it though
>>321288065
soundtrack is dope though
>>321295248
looks amazing
>>321290768
I found the Power Plant level to be realatively easy actually on hard. Dead Ahead on hard was pure, absolute horseshit though.
>>321289760
You must have been browsing Reddit at the time. /v/ was mostly slamming the game for the exact reasons OP is citing.
>>321296740
Fuck off reddit
Anyone know if 12 is Better Than 6 any good? Just looks like a western HM.
>>321289760
It wasn't "shit", but it wasn't as good as the first one. It gave a satisfying narrative conclusion but the gameplay was more frustrating than fun.
Also, the boat level was fucking HARD, man. It took me like an hour.
I liked hm2 but the plot twists were dumb
Reminder that Richter did nothing wrong.
>>321299767
Well, compared to everyone else, yeah, but it really didn't matter.
Fucking lolnuke.
It's more impressive than the first game but also feels more clunky
>WAAAAH THE GAME IS SHIT BECAUSE I HAVE TO ADAPT AND IT'S HARD
Literally a case of gitguditis
>>321300105
>>321300105
>>321300105
Here, hope its enough.
>>321299202
>boat level was hard
>didn't play it on hard mode
Now that's a hard level
I actually had to stop playing and pick it up again the next day to beat it
>>321300271
>le (You) meme
Stay blown the fuck OUT scrubtron
>>321300386
>>321300386
>>321300386
>>321300386
Fine, one more, good enough?
>>321300456
>>321300271
Not the guy you're 'replying' to but if you are this triggered by 'git gud' you should probably consider leaving /v/ m8.
Are you the OP? fuck man just get a steam refund, that is a thing you know.
I got to the prison level and gave up.
I'd probably have beaten it by now but it became more of a chore than anything, just because it's hard mode doesn't mean it can't be fun.
And this is coming from someone who absolutely loved 1 to death.
>>321288582
The only praise it gets is the soundtrack.
>worse gameplay
>worse level design
>make it easy to run out of ammo on war levels
>kill the fans because "HUR DURR THE PLAYER IS STUPID HE MUST HAVE MISSED THE POINT OF THE FIRST GAME IF HE WANTS A SEQUEL FOR MORE GAMEPLAY FUCK THOSE FAGGOTS"
>make roughly 1/3rd of Jacket's story in HM1 noncanon so they can have biker show up in 2
>shit on the people who wanted story several times
>ending is ROCKS FALL EVERYBODY DIES
>and to top it all off it took an entire year to release the level editor that should've been out at launch
I don't know what the fuck Dennaton was thinking aside from "fuck everyone who liked our game"
>>321299862
lolnuke was a complete and utter letdown in every regard.
>>321300776
Nah, not Op or mad. Its christmas pal, got better shit to do then to be mad, even have a gathering of pals going on at the house, wine and shit, stuffs gucci.
I only give out the (You) to people baiting for em. I really don't need to agree or disagree, but if you are greentexting and meming while saying nothing, best I can do is to just give you fake (You)s. Its all they want, so why not give it to them?
Merry Christmas anon.Take care.
Most of Richter's levels were pretty reminiscient of HM1.
Story was much better than the first one too. I thought it was actually pretty compelling.
I was never good enough at either game to talk too much about level design. I went through as much of both games as possible using melee weapons and had a blast, I just never got good scores.Untitled, Run, Sexualizer, Voyager, Detection, and The Way Home are the best tracks
They really shit the bed with the level editor
If they released it a month after release when people still gave a shit about the game it would be a way different story
I know they said it was the last in the series but I wouldn't be surprised if they tried again after 2 left a bad taste in peoples mouths
Soundtrack was on point at least.
>>321302363
Yeah, stuff like Sexualizer makes the game, shame its one of the few good things in the game.
Literally get good. That's it. You're garbage at video games. Probably garbage at life in general.
So what does /v/ think of the level editor?
I've made a few campaigns so far but the cutscene editor is like some ancient Egyptian contraption I can't figure out
>>321302426
Run on the subway level was bliss. When the wavy "Level 13 - Subway" popped up and that synth started up I instantly knew that was my jam.
>>321288582 is almost right. It was about 50/50 on launch IIRC but like every other new game on /v/ quickly spirals into hatred.
It's like this on no other board but /mu/, too. It gets viralled around so much that people start to hate to see it or hate the memes surrounding it and translate this into hating the product
The story made the game good for me. All the different settings, and the way its non linear was great. My only real complaint is that some of the levels rooms are too big like OP stated.
>>321288065
Your only legitimate complaints are that of the gameplay
>The plot is just a clusterfuck of timelines, characters and stories
Maybe if you're too retarded to follow babby's first complex plot
>(some of which aren't even resolved properly)
Example?
>The ending also sucked
Good argument
You morons who complain about the story of the second game are the most retarded part of the Hotline Miami fanbase. Literally too, since you get confused at the simplest of storytelling just because it's creative and different than braindead advertising.
>>321302598
I personally love it, but some people seem to hate it to death, beats me why, its a jamming song.
Different strokes for different folks I supose.
>>321288065
You're angry after just beating the game like I was too. I was furious and I thought the plot and characters were shit. Give it a good week or even month then go back to it.
Im willing to bet you will change your mind the same way I did
>>321290768
>artificial difficulty
Stopped reading there
>>321302858
>it thinks that HM2s story is simple
amazing
>>321303069
Are you telling me you really had a difficult time following what was going on just because it was out of order? Come the fuck on.
I fucking hated all the stupid gimmicks
>character that cannot shoot so fun
>character that can shoot in two direction, a USEFUL feature
>two characters, because why not make yourself twice as vulnerable?
>retarded enemies that can dodge bullets but for some reason no melee or thrown weapons
>EVEN.MORE.DOGS.
All these niggers had to do was give people more masks and make AI less retarded.
>>321303247
>it gets mad over words on a screen
impressive
>>321289760
>revisionism crap
OP, I want you to search any 4chan archive and see how many responses were negative towards HM2. I have a feeling you'll find twice the amount of negative responses than positive.
Seriously, get the fuck off this board. Go the fuck back to Reddit. Don't come here and make up some bullshit like "oh you guys all said HM2 was amazing" when a simple one-minute archive search disproves your claim.
Anyway, this thread sucks ass, you're a whiny cunt. Please stop shitting up /v/ more than it already is.
>>321303352
>two characters, because why not make yourself twice as vulnerable?
You realize the one with the gun is invincible, right?
>>321303380
>Still has no argument
>Wants someone to believe what he says
I would watch a Hotline Miami movie. Especially if it were based on Wrong Number.
>>321303448
Link the archive searches yourself if you've found them then. Prove your own point. I'd looked a while back and saw mostly positive responses.
>>321289760
as one of the few who likes the game I can confirm /v/ indeed said it was shit constantly
>>321303917
>it is this desperate for anyone to debate him over its shitty post
You didn't catch anyone, sorry
>>321304324
Here's your reply
>>321304403
>>321304403
>>321304403
And you friend
>>321304192
I second this. I love them both. I was in all the hype threads for 2. Then it came out and most people dumped on it.
