Steam games are never truly yours to own. When you sign up for Steam, the user agreement you agree to states that Steam can literally take your license away whenever they want.
Those hundreds of games in your library? They can be taken from you, legally, if Steam so decides.
With that said, have any games been removed from Steam that users are unable to redownload?
I don't know bro, you seem pretty smart. Ever think of just killing yourself?
>>321274994
Codename Gordon
Blur
Most of EA's "important" lineup
All I can think off of the top of my head. Otherwise there's a list here, don't know how old it is.
>http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3071895
Only two I can think of off the top of my head
>>321275184
So even people who have purchased them can't redownloac them? Jesus Christ that's fucked
>babbies first software agreement
>>321275162
this desu senpai
>>321274994
Thanks dog in most countries (countries) customers have rights too.
Yep. PCFAGGOTS will blabber all day long about how much money they save on games, meanwhile they never get to truly keep them.
Hell even PC game disks don't contain the actual games anymore. You literally put the disk in and download the game LOL
They made it so that once you uninstall/delete your games now, you have to re-buy them as they are deleted forever.
>>321275673
Source?
>>321275673
This is a fear I have for the 360 and not for steam
>>321275578
>meanwhile they never get to truly keep them.
They literally never get taken away unless you do something to get banned in a game
>>321275673
>>321275720
The retard is wrong, you can permanently remove a game from your library now, but if you ever want it back you have to rebuy. There's a difference between uninstalling and removing entirely
>>321275673
there is no way that can be right. computers only hae so much memory, it would be retarded.
>>321274994
You don't own a god damn thing in this world. Fuck off.
>>321274994
Well guess what. When you buy some piece of software on a disc, you really only buy a license to use the software contained on that disc, not the software itself.
>>321274994
So what? If they revoke my "licence of ownership" or whatever I'll just pirate everything I've bought on their store and still have it. What matters is the developer getting my money, and the service Steam has provided me with so far.
Gosh darn, that was hard.
>>321276036
Except, you always have access to a disk. Big difference.
>>321276338
But at any point in time whoever owns the software could potentially come in and take the disk away.
>>321274994
If they do that I'll just pirate all the games that I would otherwise buy from them. They wouldn't take licenses away randomly, otherwise they would just lose customers.Yeah this is bait isn't it.
>>321275578
>P.T. is taken down
>gone forever and ever, unless somebody reverse-engineers the PS4
>new console loses backwards compatibility
>either you keep your old console or you have to re-buy the compatible version
>a game is taken down from Steam or whatever
>you can pirate it in a millisecond, or just crack the files you already have
>old games? Just do some research as to how to fix them, no problem
>>321276470
Dude you can also just pirate P.T on PC if you really wanted to
Mafia 1 & 2 cannot be bought on steam anymore
>>321276709
I still have it in my library though.
>>321275162
This thread is over.
>>321276709
>>321276889
they are contractually obliged to make it available to people who already bought it
>>321276431
Nope (dependent on local laws)
However, they can always ban you from using it.
the only way to get a whole account banned is to do some shady purchasing (and even then you may only lose games you bought on some HUE website using shitty VPN), hacking/scamming other accounts, or purchasing whole stolen account. in other cases it is just community ban or VAC ban
>>321276709
wait what? how come?
>>321277029
Source?
>>321274994
>They can be taken from you, legally
Maybe in a shithole like Clapistan.
>>321276338
>you always have access to encrypted/protected data that you cannot access on your own terms without resorting to pirate tactics anyway
there was a time when there was a principle in owning games and that died ~2005
>>321275302
>So even people who have purchased them can't redownloac them? Jesus Christ that's fucked
bought the GTA complete pack back in the day when it also contained GTA1 and GTA2
I can still play them even though they're removed
Is it even possible to play multiplayer on pirated games?
>>321274994
>They can be taken from you, legally, if Steam so decides.
How? Once you've downloaded the game files they can't do shit. All they can do is disable your account but all you need do is download a crack and you're good to go.
You just jealous that console don't have big sales like steam ,eh?
Anyway, just stop making flame war thread, Christmas is near. Please, keep /v/ peace just couple days.
>>321277474
Ever heard of Tunngle or Hamachi?
>>321277498
Your Steam game library, not the games downloaded onto your system.
You don't "own" any piece of software, not even the ones you buy on physical forms, you never owned them, it was always just a license, even DRM-Free can't be owned. Though I assume you know what owning a software really means.
>>321277474
Use Evolve.
>>321274994
>With that said, have any games been removed from Steam that users are unable to redownload?
Is Sleeping Dogs vanilla still available? I can't find it in the store at all. Only the definitive version. I bought the vanilla game a long time ago but will get a new pc and have to reinstall my entire steam library. Hope it won't be a problem.
>>321277782
Yes but its the principle, a physical game can always be played.
>>321277686
Who the fuck uses that shit? lol. Not even anon, but of couse, nobody has heard about them, have fun playing with 20 people max hosting brasilian, russian servers.
>>321277873
Yeah, and so can pirated games, doesn't mean I own them, what's your point?
>>321277782
You own the license though, so why can't you sell it if you no longer want it?
>>321277838
Yes. Games that get taken down from the store remain available to existing users just the same.
>>321276431
I'd like to see someone come and take my physical disc from me
>>321277193
Depending on country, it's illegal for them not to. I can't remember which part of the law it's written in though, I read some of it to leverage the staff to give me refunds when they would otherwise refuse.
>>321278059
Thanks.
>>321277991
Their point is that they're young people grappling with the concepts of property rights and the social contract. The idea that the things they own might be impermanent frightens them deeply so they see the prospect of protecting backups of those things on little bits of plastic as deeply comforting.
>>321278084
Where do you live, anon?
>>321278058
Reselling licensed software isn't legal technically speaking, when you agree with any EULA, even with physical copies of software there's a clause that states the that the software can't be resold under any circumstances. Though we're talking about PC software, which includes PC games, I'm not sure what is the legislation for console games, but reselling PC games isn't legal, though since nobody cares you never see this causing any trouble for people who do.
>>321278204
With your mother
>>321278284
So he can just go in the other room and take your disc away then, easy.
>>321278348
Crap I never thought of that
>>321274994
cd keys that need to be verified with games says otherwise,
offline play contradicts op as well
also the fact that i can boot up the games without steam entirely
oh and the games having there own launching and update handler/client prove op is wrong as well.
discuss these facts faggots.
>>321278550
the contract isn't exclusive to steam, it applies to all software
How is it OK for Steam to roll out a stripped down version of a game already purchased with no option of reverting back to the version I paid for?
*points at GTA San Andreas*
>>321274994
>>321275184
No, that's not right.
Even if something is removed from the store it still stays in your library if you purchased it before removal.
I have >1600 games in my library (most of which comes from various bundles and giveaways), and out of those 1600, 29 are "removed" - no longer available for purchase, and 2 are temporarily "purchase disabled". And I still can redownload any of that 31 games.
you can check removed count with
http://timekillerz.eu/removed/tools.php#
>>321279383
Ask Rockstar, that one's on them.
>*action*
Please kill yourself at the earliest opportunity.
>>321279538
*kills u*
This is why I pirate tb͏h
>>321279538
*gasp* no need to be so rude...
>>321279383
this is one flaw with steam that it will always update (by default) to the latest version even if it is completely dogshit in the case of san andreas where they literally fucked the game up and removed a shitload of content
>>321274994
And if you live in the United States, the government can legally take your land and property without the promise of compensation
The difference between "can" and "will" means a lot
>>321274994
>When you sign up for Steam, the user agreement you agree to states that Steam can literally take your license away whenever they want.
no, they can't you memespouting retard. this has been disproven over and over and you faggots still keep pushing this bullshit because you don't know how law and corporate procedures work. even if these two things were the case, this is a good way to completely kill your business model. fuck you and go die in a fire
>>321279383
>*points at GTA San Andreas*
Back to tumblr
>>321274994
>They can be taken from you, legally, if Steam so decides.
And if they do that, I will pirate them with a clear conscience knowing that I have already paid for them.
>>321276709
I got Mafia 2 in my library and just played it a bit two days ago.
>>321281246
>I got Mafia 2 in my library and just played it a bit two days ago.
because you already own it previously right. he's saying it's no longer in the store
>>321274994
Sure thing kiddo, btw Gaben is evil and his master plan is taking away all your gaems right before he dies! My mom told me, she works for Valve
>>321275184
>Codename Gordon
Holy shit. Never heard of this so did a Google search... Just don't go in the Steam community for this one.
>>321274994
actually steam has to abide via local laws when selling products overseas and regardless of their elua it means jack shit in most other countires
>>321274994
>have any games been removed from Steam that users are unable to redownload?
There was one, I can't recall name, that was completely removed from steam. There wasn't much backslash, because users were simply refunded.
>>321275578
>Yep. PCFAGGOTS will blabber all day long about how much money they save on games, meanwhile they never get to truly keep them
I hope you don't play on PS4, because that argument coming from someone who lose access to a bunch a game as szoon as he stop paying a sub for a live service would be hilarious.
Also, are you saying that Steam is the only plateform existing? You're implying that GoG works the same way? And that the game I've downloaded that way will magically be deleted from my disk if GoG shut down?
Ho golly, no! Time to make a back up copy on a external hard drive. Otherwise, so long My witcher games, Stallite Reign, Starpoint Gemini, Div:OS, Wasteland 2, or the two fucking hundreds game I own on GoG!
>>321277193
>Source?
My fucking account
I have it uninstalled right now but can still download it and install it.
Doesn't physical media suffer from disk rot?
>>321279383
*raises paw* It's not okay but the blame should really be placed on Rockstar for that. Thousands of patches are released via Steam every year, Valve can't be expected to monitor/contorl them all.
Did you ever hear the story of Gabe Newell the wise?
>No...
I thought not... it's not a story neo-/v/ would tell you. It's an oldfag legend. Gabe Newell was the valve lord of DRM, so powerful and wise that he could even convince the mainstream of consumers to adopt DRM. He had such a knowledge of DRM that he could even save developers from piracy.
>He could save developers from piracy...?
The dark side of DRM is a pathway to many abilities that some, especially neo-/v/, would call anti-consumer...
>What happened to him?
He became so powerful, had a monopoly on almost all developers... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his own power as a developer... and he did. Unfortunately, he taught some of his developer apprentices everything he knew... and they launched their own services, even more powerful - soon even his sales couldn't save him. Ironic isn't it? He saved other developers from tragedy yet he hasn't developed a game in over 5 years.
>>321286117
Who are "they", wiseShiev?
>>321286360
We don't want to speak of them here on neo-/v/... some may find the topic... unsavory. DRM is a powerful tool... assuming you don't fear it.
>>321286572
You! You are the Dark Lord of DRM!
>>321275578
Yeah man, I don't spend a single penny on any fucking game. Torrents exist.
The nature of existence is ephemeral. You don't actually own anything, your physical games, your car, your home. In a very short cosmic time span everything you know and own will be dust anyway. Who cares.
