For anyone that's interested, B4nny is gonna be streaming Q&A and playtesting for TF2's Competitive Matchmaking (which won't be released until Early 2016) on Twitch in 15 minutes
Info we know so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXmU59cRPq8
For the stream, google "B4nny Twitch"
Wait, is matchmaking really coming? I haven't followed the game in over a year now, but this might actually give me a reason to get back into it
>>321226695
They've been dropping hints in the files for a while now, also watch the video
Bump, stream is about to start
That's neat as fuck. I honestly love TF2 still, but the regular pubs are awful and lobbies are a bit of a pain.
It's going to be 6s right?
That's no fun. It's literally poverty quake with a medic.
>>321228197
6v6 and 9v9 are confirmed (although we're not sure if 9v9 is Highlander)
Also STREAM IS UP
>>321227906
Really, the only thing keeping me playing by the time I stopped was Mann Up. A Steam group I used to be in had 6-8 other people (out of about 200 at the time) and at one point in time we were playing MU almost every weekend. Eventually, that slowed down, and then half the regulars left the group and broke contact with me, so I just stopped playing TF2.
Matchmaking will probably kickstart my interest in this game again
>>321228197
>>321228296
Also 4v4, which B4nny is playing today
>>321228197
6v6 is pretty fun if youve got a good squad, m8
DX8 NOT ALLOWED
COMP PLAYERS ON SUICIDE WATCH
Oh thank god custom huds are in. I can't stand default.
>>321229673
I don't use it anymore but their reason for DX8 not being allowed for MM is so stupid
>hurr we want the game to look good to the average player
Custom HUDS are in though
>Comp tf2
Sorry but I actually play TF2 for fun
FOV locked to 75
>competitive tf2
>>321229952
>>321230165
>guys please dont kill me im friendly
>stop killing me im spycrabbing/dancing
>>321230289
more like comp tf2 died 5 years ago and this is a sad attempt to bring it back
NO WEAPON BANS AS OF NOW
NO CLASS LIMITS AS OF NOW
>Transparent view-models
Well that will take some getting used to.
>>321230464
More like FOR NOW
It's going to happen
>all these chatbind idiots in the tf2 chat
Making text muteable was the best thing that ever happened to TF2
FIXED SPREAD
NO CRITS
FIXED SPREAD
NO CRITS
FIXED SPREAD
NO CRITS
>>321226525
Sorry, Valve. Too little too late. Maybe if you released this four years ago when the game was still alive with decently skilled players. The only remaining players are traders and f2p russians, none who will touch this shit.
>>321231193
>Taunts are in
You know someone is going to get the highest rank just by taunt killing
Edit: OH GOD IT ONE RANK FOR ALL CLASSES. I'M ON THE SUICIDE WATCH.
Playtesting starting now, 4v4 (???) because he couldn't get 6v6 to work
>>321230464
Weapon bans aren't needed when Valve can rebalance the weapons themselves.
>>321230139
Nope, 90 is the limit
>4v4
Wouldn't this just be 3 scouts and a medic?
>literally just the MVM ready screen
Bravo Valve
>>321232407
b4nny says it's gonna change
competitive tf2 is dead and no one even cared when it was alive. who gives a fuck
>>321232353
More likely 2 Scouts 1 Pocket Soldier 1 Medic
>>321233146
>all those Phlog Pyros in the stream
The sad thing is that you're absolutely right.
>>321226525
>comp TF2
>in 2016
Why did they wait so fucking long to bring this in? All the community servers are dead.
Only VALVe servers full of spies, snipers and phlog pyros are left.
>competitive TF2 is dead
It's not as big as most other games but it still exists.
You can go on UGC and hit people up, then get rejected because you're actually shit at the game.
>all these pessimistic shitposters complaining the game is dead when Valve is trying to give a shit for once about the game
Faggots.I bet the lobbies are going to be balanced around Scouts, fuck them
>no limits on unlocked weapons
That's actually pretty great.
Too bad there aren't Valve servers near me and it will have more cheaters than CSGO because it's F2P
I'll play it because I'll always love TF2 and I'd like to see if my heavy pub stomping will serve me in any way, I have my doubts about how popular it'll actually be though.
>>321233819
>Valve is trying to give a shit for once about the game
MM was "supposed" to arrive in August.
It's going to be 2016 in a few days.
>Comp TF2
Mate,the dream died years ago,nobody really cares of the game now,Valve is way too late
>>321235781
>being surprised about valve time
we should be glad we're getting it as soon as we are considering the TF2 dev team has been reduced to a monkey trained for accepting community content and Robin occasionally passing wind over a keyboard
>>321226525
Competitive TF2 died before it even took off. Lets admit removing bunny hopping and getting rid of nades was bad game design.
Here's my opinion about TF2 at the moment.
Shits pretty good right now. The focus on balance has been improving the game greatly.
Now here's where it gets iffy. Though I'm totally for the balancing of weapons. There has been changes that make me see this slippery slope over the horizon. One where the fun attributes of unlocks are scrapped to balance the game because balancing around unique and different mechanics is too hard.
I'm afraid of a future where the weapons of a slot all kind of blend together and the game becomes less fun and varied because of it. This totally isn't the case at the moment and honestly it's a worst case scenario. But I just feel a bit uneasy about the direction the game could go in if Valve panders to players like B4nny.
I know the old joke about playing TF2 in this day and age. But I really do like the game, even today. I just want to keep it fun.
>>321236363
>I'm afraid of a future where the weapons of a slot all kind of blend together and the game becomes less fun and varied because of it. This totally isn't the case at the moment and honestly it's a worst case scenario
It isn't? Are you kidding me?
The unlocks we've been getting over the years have been dogshit and completely uninspired. A 12 year old could come up with more creative weapon ideas than valve.
Just look at heavy and engineer. 8 years later and engineer still only has one new building and it's just a smaller sentry. Heavy's playstyle hasn't changed at all, still same ol point in direction of enemy and wait for them to die.
>>321226525
banny is a loser
>>321236823
I can see your point of view. But personally I think that we've gotten lots of unlocks that make for fun alternative playstyles. Probably not to the extent you are looking for though.
Double donking as Demo
Jumping around as medic
The sandman + guillotine combo on Scout
The new big earner that give Spy a speed boost whenever he kills someone.
I really like weapons like that.
>>321237692
Double donking is a big fuck you on the recieving end.
Pyro? Fuck you it can't be reflected.
Heavy? Get knocked a mile away and have to walk through choke again
Medic? Take a 140 double donk and crater
The same goes for a lot of those weapons.
Sandman limiting all your movement and keeping you from defending yourself. A universally hated weapon by anyone who isn't F2P and played when it first came out.
Quick fix getting med out of situations where he should have died. So if you tried to bomb him his pocket can instantly jump away and take him to safety and you just died for nothing
There's no reason why a weapon can't be fun for both the person using it and the enemy. That should be a fundamental rule for all weapon designs.
>>321236823
They did try to turn heavy into a melee class like demoknight with the
>Warriors spirit
>Buffalo steak Sandvich
>The killing gloves of boxing
and possibly
>The holiday spirit
Problem is this way of playing heavy is shit
Heavy is the slowest class in the game so melle weapons aren't often a good way of killing people
and even then heavy lacks the resistance that makes this syle of play viable like the demokinght
Valve could fix this by removing the extra damage from the Buffalo steak sandvich entirely as the lack of ranged weapons is already enough of a disadvantage
>>321238413
>not knowing that the loose cannon got nerfed because of babies like you
>>321238413
do you realize the just nerfed donking? The cannon impact does less damage and the knockback was severely decreased.
The increased fragility of the scout makes up for the ambush potential the sandman gives him.
The whole point of bombing is to drop the med before they can react. If you let them jump out that's on you.
All the weapons you mentioned have fair cons for the players using them. You're just thinking about all the times they've killed you rather then all the times those people have died because they chose those weapons.
>>321238725
Thanks for proving my point. You're a dickhead who's upset his crutch got nerfed.
>>321239151
>loose cannon was a crutch
direct hit must be a crutch as well then since that can one shot light classes.
>>321239107
>do you realize the just nerfed donking
I assumed thats what you were complaining about when you referred to weapon balance changes.
As for the sandman, balanced and fun to play aren't the same thing. Airblast being an obvious example.
And don't try and act like loose was balanced when pros were running it full time over stock. The downsides do not make up for the dozens of advantages it has
Maybe I can enjoy random pubs since this'll deflect some of the brainless fuckwits who spam Soldier and Demoman and talk about how difficult it is to walk all over every class that isn't Scout
TF2 wasn't designed for this. It's just gonna be scout and soldier frenzy. How boring.
>>321239107
>The increased fragility of the scout makes up for the ambush potential the sandman gives him.
>alt-fires a projectile that unplugs the enemy's keyboard
>>321239280
direct hit is a crutch for people who can't hit airshots or jumping scouts, not because it can one-shot kill.
>>321239601
thank you doktor
>>321239430
I don't have a problem with the loose cannon nerf. It's still viable for me.
I should also mention Airblast got nerfed in the exact way it should have been. You can now air strafe if a pyro tries to keep you in the air with repeated airblasts
The way I see it the loose cannon was always inferior to stock unless you have the skill to get reliable double donks. The way I see it if a player has the skill they deserve to reap the rewards of a weapon.
>>321239601
Come on man you're just sounding salty now.
>>321239909
attack the argument, not the person, kiddo.
I'm just happy vaccinator got buffed back to being good again
>>321239909
And airblast nerf was justified just like loose cannon that's exactly my point.
>Player has the skill they deserve the rewards
Except you don't need any skill to outperform with stock. It's a bigger, faster, can't be reflected, projectile. Its easy to donk if you just always stay at the max range. It also want skill indexed at close range being heavily tied to latency and unpredictable.
>>321240548
What got changed from the vaccinator?
I remenber using it to fuck up Hackers.
>>321240745
Overheal ubercharge penalty reduced from -66% to -33%. Regular charge rate increased to 67%. The 10% regen was replaced with increased charge from absorbing the correct damage. In combat it charges super fast, I was able to pop multiple charges at once and still get charges back quickly. I'd honestly argue in combat it's faster than pre gun mettle.
>>321240321
I'd love to. You seem to have come up short in the argument section though.
Like your post is doing exactly what you're criticizing
>>321240698
The loose cannon can be reflected. Please look at the patch notes before you continue to post I beg of you. You just sound stupid. They just slowed the projectile speed down.
And enemies aren't just going to stand at max range for you. getting reliable donks takes a lot of good prediction made on the fly.
And with this Overwatch is dead on arrival. Once again Blizzard, you are too little too late.
>>321240995
>The loose cannon can be reflected.
if you're using it right it's just gonna explode in the pyro's face regardless
>>321240993
Nice, I will definely check it out later.
>>321240995
>The loose cannon can be reflected.
>a primed projectile
>a weapon where you have total control over when it detonates
>shooting an unprimed cannonball at pyros ever
have you even played this game
>>321240993
>>321240745
Pic related
>>321241207
>>321241307
Yeah if you get the detonation right you deserve to have it blow up where you want it to
what a revelation.
>>321240995
Projectile speed doesn't matter to reflects idiots. The timer is the problem it just blows up the pyros face. It also doesn't mini crit properly like other projectiles and fires faster than airblast.
>Enemies aren't going to stay at max range
Oh gee youre right if only demo had legs and could move around.
And before you say
>Just chase him
At max range demo not only has plenty of room to retreat safely but the loose cannon also punishes classes for doing so. It is nearly impossible for a heavy or pyro to get in range of a loose cannon demo.
>>321231492
>Edit:
The streamer is no longer streaming matchmaking.
>>321239509
Highlander actually feels like it works quite well, really lets class roles shine. I can't speak for any other format because I haven't played any of them.
>>321241405
>You deserve to take away all an enemies options and one shot him.
Well I think this discussion is over, you've made it obvious now you don't actually care about balance and just want to be a dickhead on pubs.
Pyro and Engineer main
Didn't play TF2 in a while, but I just read the comments, about the Airblast nerf; about you can actually strafe in the air, like some sort of flying Soldier or Demo.
I don't really think airblast should get nerfed, since I'm a stock flamethrower Pyro; but now I just remenber all those Degreaser + Flare gun (Or even worse; Degreaser + Reserve Shooter); I still don't like that nerf, but I understand why it got nerfed.
Also, I'm seeing videos saying Engineer got super nerfed
What it changed exacly?
>>321241338
Nice, very nice indeed.
I haven;t played this game on months
Have they finally removed the sv_pure bullcrap from valve servers?
>>321241405
Exactly. So it can't be reflected. Unless you play against retards, which in that case invalidates your opinion even more.
>>321241672
>>You deserve to take away all an enemies options and one shot him.
what are you actual on about now? how did you get that from his post?
>>321241702
>Jag now takes 3 hits to remove sappers
>Buildings take 0.5 more seconds to rearm after being sapped
>Rescue ranger bolts heal 60hp instead of 75
No buffs as well
>>321241702
Engineer was not nerfed, he was balanced to discourage turtling
>>321241493
see >>321241405
and there are way more options other than running straight at him like an idiot. learn to flank.
>>321241672
You only think it takes away your options because you lack imagination to see what all your options really are.
also >one shot
look up the damage the weapon does. It's obvious you haven't played recently.
Anyone got good practice maps for aiming? My aim is ass which makes it hard for me to kill people with hitscan weapons. I've gotten better at it then how I was before but I still make enough mistakes to get killed over it. I mostly play solider as a result but I want to branch out into other classes because at this point my soldier has about 300 hours and the next highest one is at 70.
Don't mention tr_walkway since the ai movement for moving side to side/back to front is so predictable even when randomized (Not to mention the Scout bots dont even double jump which makes practicing against them useless for real combat situations)
>>321242109
>balanced to discourage turtling
turtling was already shitty, why make it shitter?
>>321242149
play the game normally you autist
>>321242109
>Discourage turtling by nerfing the jag and Rescue Ranger
>>321242039
>>Jag now takes 3 hits to remove sappers
Well it has a damage reduction, so it's logical it could also apply to sappers.
I don't really care, I just use my stock wrench, never been a fan of the Jag
>Buildings take 0.5 more seconds to rearm after being sapped
Now that's something stupid, furthering encouraging 'Stab n Sap' strats
>Rescue ranger bolts heal 60hp instead of 75
Now that rustled my jimmies
I mean, when you think about it, RR is somewhat, since a Soldier can shot 4 rockets at your sentry but still keep it alive with 4 RR bolts, but it didnt really need any nerf, at all.
>>321242149
Just play against bots on whatever map wall the aim trainning maps got fucked up with the update
>>321241953
What are a pyro or heavys options? Demo can do 140 damage at the range where they do almost no damage, pyro can't punish with reflects and heavy can't chase because of knockback. Please explain to me how would you deal with him as either class. You are saying a demo deserves to shit on them both just because he's using the loose cannon.
>bbut the timer
For one I've already made it apparent you don't need to do that when you can just sit back and even IF you time why does this justify crippling the enemy when they've made no mistakes on their part?
>>321242527
you clearly haven't played the game recently
>>321242527
>Demo can do 140 damage at the range
>>321242117
>look up the damage the weapon does. It's obvious you haven't played recently.
I have said multiple times I'm referring to pre patch you idiot. I'm defending the nerfs.
>>321242190
No, turtling was incredibly effective, just not fun. If you're boxed into a corner with your Sentry and a Spy can't backstab you or pick you off, nothing stops you. What the Sapper-disabling does is allow a Spy to at least have some time to attack the Engy before he hits off the Sapper and the Spy is blown to smithereens. Yes turtling is now shittier, but it's also balanced.
>>321228197
6s
WITH NO CLASS LIMIT
NO BANNED WEAPONS
STOCK MAPS ONLY
C O M P E T I T I V E 2 F O R T
>>321242597
>>321242630
BEFORE
THE
UPDATE
I have no issues with the current loose cannon.
>>321242658
engineer as a whole is now shittier, it wasn't just turtling that this nerfed
ITT scout mains complain
>>321242443
I'm talking about the 0.5 delay from a Sapper, Tom, but the Rescue Ranger nerf works the same way because Engies can't just shoot around a corner anymore either and stay in one spot like a turtle on a deserted island.
>>321242647
Well I'm totally fine with the nerfs. Sounds like you're just complaining to me.
>>321242647
>>321242818
>look mom I'm moving the goal posts!
>>321242951
The first person I replied to was complaining about the changes. Don't interject next time faggot.
>>321242869
As Pyro, I love when Scouts complain, bitch and moan when a HumbleGibus w/ Sore EyesStock flamethrower Pyro knocks them against a wall and then either burn them to ashes or finish them off with the Scorch shotI miss using my Flare gun
>>321243142
Point out that guy because I'm pretty sure I'm him
>>321242658
>No, turtling was incredibly effective
Maybe against teams that were totally rubbish, versus teams that cooperated. An Engineer by himself (such that a Spy can reasonably harass him unabated) isn't likely a very imposing threat.
>>321243295
>>321237692
>>321236363
>There has been changes that make me see this slippery slope over the horizon. One where the fun attributes of unlocks are scrapped to balance the game because balancing around unique and different mechanics is too hard.
>Double donking as Demo
>>321242658
>Turtling effective.
Go demo shoot stickies or spam him with pipes or the iron bomber Or get a med to uber you. No more engy
>dx9 forced
>viewmodel fov forced on
>default interp forced
>no class limits
>no highlander
thanks for nothing valve
>>321242658
>Turtling was effective
>What are: Direct Hit, Looch 'n' Load, Sticky Launcher, The Machinina, Heavy + Medic combo, Dead Ringer + Ambassador Spy, Bonk! Scout, Crit Phlog Pyros
Said an engneer main.
>>321243640
at least their brand of 6s has no class limits or weapon bans, there's room for fun yet
>>321243551
Yeah I'm that guy. I never complained about the changes. I praised them.
>The focus on balance has been improving the game greatly
I was just talking about a possible future I would not like.
>>321243640
Ewwwww dx8 is based
Viewmodels pretty bad but I like mine enabled on a few classes
default interp SHIT
No class limits Absolute shit prepare for two spies and a sniper
No highlander I prefer 6's but that;s still shit taking out one of the main competitive modes
Competitive matchmaking never ends well in f2p games
>>321226525
lol, why the fuck would I want to watch a washout still clinging desperately to his dead game
I used to play tf2 competitively, I played in ESEA-im and lived and breathed tf2 and was about to go to invite with others on my team and make a serious run at it
this game is fucking dead, adding matchmaking and having some washed up tired old player advertise it isn't going to change that
especially since it will be a complete shitfest with retarded rules just like every other game that tries to add "competitive" matchmaking
>inb4 no maps are banned
>inb4 no weapons are banned
>inb4 no proper class limits
if they want this to even have a remote shot at this thing, they need to start off by at a minimum just straight up copying the ESEA 6s ruleset
>>321243728
Scouts are getting fucked
Gonna be another soldier or demo for sure might trade out the last scout for a sniper
SCOUT IS DEAD
>>321243728
if there are seriously no class limits then it will just be a 6v6 pub
>>321244064
>inb4 no maps are banned
>inb4 no weapons are banned
>inb4 no proper class limits
Literally everything you just said is true, though I believe custom maps are out of the question.
>>321243728
So really it's a competitive pub
Literally not even 6's it's just a limit on 6 players per team. It's Shit expect quick-fix meds sandman soda poppers and ambassador spies
heavy is so op against randoms but useless against comp level players.
I'm not doing that comp shit.
>>321245161
Back Burner and Flare Gun were my 'Heavy slaying' combo
Sometimes the Powerjack, sometimes the Back Scratcher, long ago was the Axtinguisher
>>321245568
nowadays three quarters of the pyros I see weild the phlog with that invuln bullshit
Yesterday they cut down the time he stays invuln making it much more managable, but I still vastly preferred two weeks ago when them taunting near me was an instant death sentence.
Got me rock hard knowing that little prick was denied his crit stream and died like a bitch taunting under the false assumption he was invincible.
I hope they revert the invuln phase now because phlog is by far the best.
>>321230429
You're very obviously not following the game if you think comp tf2 is dead.
>>321245813
>by far the best.
By far the most stupid, I'd say
Phlog is a bad primary weapon for Pyro
Stock flamethrower is the better
MAYBE Degreaser + Shotgun against Demoknights and GrenadeKnights
Back Burner for ambushing fatties and ambushing the enemy cart
Also I do agree, that Phlog buff is stupid as fuck
>>321245813
I got to say it's pretty fun. Any competant player can become a one man army with the phlog now.
Killing the entire enemy team and pushing them back to spawn is crazy easy.
In my opinion it shouldn't just refill your health entirely. The should change that like they did on the Half Zatoichi
>>321246114
I meant phlog is best for nublets and damn there's so many you never know when some dick is gonna run out of a nearby doorway with a critstream and fuck you up.
Having crits is one thing and it's totally fine but being able to control and thus predict exactly when you're gonna sprew them, then using that knoweldge to obliterate anything you approach is fuckin dumb.
>>321246221
And if that skilled plog pyro is being healed you can just forget about it man he's gonna totally obliterate.
>>321245813
The invuln literally only comes into play against shitters. If you see it, and you're a class with the same speed unit, pepper them from far away, if you're faster, walk back. If you can juggle them, do that. if you're a heavy literally stand at distance and destroy them. Only bad players can't deal with phlog tards. Ps-Them taunting around a corner is very easily hearable and they can still be melted within seconds of coming into contact when they only have 175 health. Even buffed pyros aren't scary, especially since demos and soldiers slay them with explosive knockback.
>>321246615
Or have a sentry nearby
>>321246916
essentially
>>321246615
If you're in an open space large enough to run backwards far enough to begin spinning the gun and then take them out.
As a fat slow high value target they go directly for me and maybe one in ten times I can wipe them out without any damage to myself at all.
Two days ago when their invuln phase was (just a breath of a second) longer I had much more difficulty gauging the exact distance I needed to be and believe me I was fucking pissed when the phlog catapulted pyro from the literal worst freest class for me to obliterate to something I had to watch the fuck out for.
I'm still pretty pissed that valve put in such a huge check against heavy when he's already instantly wiped out by snipers.
I omitted spies because 95% of them are HILARIOUSLY predictable with even just a couple hundred hours of gameplay let alone the thousands I've put in. I just imagine when it would be most inconvenient for me to be stabbed, I turn around and then there's a disguised spy running directly at my face. It's the funniest shit because they don't know how to react when their easy kill turns the tables.
The only counter is gut-wrenchingly stupid allies that behave suspiciously or like an enemy spy.
>>321247292
That's worst, comma, freest.
Prior to this week pyros have killed me the least with snipers of course being the most.
>>321247292
Well yeah pubs are fucking flaming autism anyway. Matchmaking should add some sort of weapon bans anyway. And after refining there is definitely going to be class locks, especially when valve is getting so much input on the subject.
>>321239601
Yeah, thanks Doc...
TO LATE.
>scrubs complain about W+M1
>Valve outright buffs the W+M1 weapon
>now everyone complains
Thanks for turning a risky mechanic into a safe one, valve
>>321247613
you didn't need to delete your post
I agree spy is an easy kill but I just didn't feel compelled to reply to agree.
