What do you expect of the 3DS successor?
Do you expect them to half ass it?
I really hope they don't, the 3DS hardware is so shit I want a drastic upgrade, really need a successful HD handheld.
Anything less than 720p would sadden me, even the Chittenden Chinese cheapo phones have 720p now.
Watch them cheap out with 848x480, sub Vita res just like 3DS was sub PSP. But even if they do, at least it's not fucking 400x240 that's a resolution from like the fucking 80s.
>>321126151
>I really hope they don't, the 3DS hardware is so shit I want a drastic upgrade
The New 3ds hardware rapes the vita out of the fucking water. The only thing holding it down is the screen, but it already has a much better cpu and gpu.
NX
It's gonna be 480p bu they are gonna put a huge screen on there and require 60fps.
It's gonna be smooth shit, but still shit.
No gimmicks, GBA-2.
>>321126470
Lol no, cyber sleuth shit's on every 3ds game graphically. You could power 400x240 with a Titan X and the games would still look like ass
>>321126702
720p screens are pennies and will be even cheaper as time passes. You can get 720p phones for $30 off contract. I pray we don't get 480p fuck that shit.
>>321126758
And? We are talking about hardware power. Not about how the game utilize that power.
The New3ds ahs a much more powerful cpu and gpu than the vita. Its a fact. The games will look shittier due 200p, sure, but the cpu and gpu remains more powerful which is what we are arguing.
>>321127000
What's the point of unusable power? The resolution bottleneck kills it.
>>321127000
what's the source for new 3ds being more powerful? A quick google search gives nothing but results saying the opposite.also nice trips
>>321127242
His ass
>>321126151
As long as I can still put two anime girls on each screen and make them kiss, I'll be happy.
>>321127494
What?
>>321127242
>>321127432
Ps Vita's CPU only runs at 333MHZ. Hitting it's max at 444MHZ. Sadly, this is a far cry from the 2GHZ that the Ps Vita's Arm Cortex A9 Quad Core CPU can actually run at. Another interesting bit of information also mentioned in the article. The New 3DS's CPU is running quite a bit faster then the Ps Vita's, at 804MHZ on a custom built ARM 11 (not sure of it's a Quad Core or Duel Core) CPU.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/47804/sony-underclocked-ps-vitas-cpu-frequency-444mhz/index.html
muh 2ghz cpu was a fucking lie.
As a DI/gaming shitter at best buy, I've not even considered when the next 3ds is coming out
How many more years do you think it has in it still?
I'd say 3 or so years still
>>321127242
The cpu has not only twice the clock rate, but also its a newer arm model which is more efficient on top of having double the clock.
>>321127642
I don't think more MHZ is the equivalent of more speed.
If it was I'd still be using my Pentium 4 and AMD would reign supreme in the CPU market.
I expect it to be underpowered compared to the competition, possibly with a gimmick that many will see as unecessary at first, but it will gain a following and end up the most successful console, handheld or not, of that particular gen.
Because that's what ALWAYS happens.
>>321127642
Clockspeed isn't all that matters a 1.5ghz Intel core will destroy a 2.5ghz AMD core in performance for example.
>>321127847
It is when its the same architecture. n3ds also features a newer and more efficient architecture. ARM 11 vs ARM9.
I expect it to be another nintendo system I won't buy because indie-tier vidya is something I can already get on the PC for way cheaper without having some shitty gimmick on top of it
plus i'm into VR and reggie already spilled the beans on nintendo's non-involvement in that field
so much for innovation eh?
>>321127847
>>321127925
What is arm?
>>321127695
2018 sounds right, handheld hens used to be short but Nintendo/Japanese deva are frightened of finally having to make HD games. Most ran to handheld not just due to trends but laziness.
>>321127581
When you hold it like a book and close it it looks like they're kissing. Don't pretend like you've never done it.
http://strawpoll.me/6342831
>>321126918
this i smashed my 5" 720p phone screen and its like $40 for new screen/digitzer. Its a really nice screen to btw
Finally getting HD turn based JRPGs would be nice. Starting Moon classes soon so I won't miss out on those at least
>>321128116
You pay a huge mark up too. In bulk they cost <$5
>>321127980
Intel and AMD are both the same architecture(x64) and the gap is huge. Arm can be the same.
>>321128724
Yes, arm11 is better than arm9 so the difference is actually bigger than just twice the clockrate.
>>321128101
>handheld gens used to be short
Literally the only short handheld gen was the GBA era.
>>321126151
More Monster Hunter
I really have no idea what to expect. It's almost sure to be closely tied to the NX somehow and I think it'll be coming next year with it. There's stuff in the pipeline still, but I feel like after this last wave(MHX, SMT4F, AA6, etc.) they've pretty much pretty wrapped it up.
>>321126151
A shitty fusion of a tablet and a controller
>>321129293
In HD by default, I'm hyped.
>>321126151
Pretty sure the NX is supposed to be replacing both the WiiU and the 3DS
>>321129331
I agree they'll aim for a strong line of connectivity with the NX. Would be cool if it gets its own version of Remote Play.
Whatever they do they need to have a decent launch lineup this time. The 3DS came so close to being a failure at first
>>321126151
As long as they don't have a gimmick as retarded as 3D then it should have 720p. I can't really think of any kind of trend they could add as a gimmick to fuck it up so hopefully it's fine.dual screens is the one true gimmick
>>321129502
That's a rumor, but I wouldn't mind. They'd likely need to sell such a thing as a loss and make profit off software sales though.
>>321129502
Yea, that's what I heard.
I hope the controller is like this, like the Wii U but sleek and can be used away from the main console.
>>321129613
I played SSF4 only for like 18 months. I almost cried when the legends 3 prototype was cancelled as I bought my $250 3DS for it.
>>321128098
It's a processor designed for mobile devices with lower levels of heat, power and costs.
>>321127000
>but the cpu and gpu remains more powerful which is what we are arguing.
No it doesn't. There isnt a single 3DS game that looks as good as the majority of Vita games. Also, the UI is slower on the 3DS.
>>321129859
M-muh resident evil revelations...
>>321127000
If that were the case, Xenoblade X wouldn't look like Pixel vomit with increased pop in and lower res textures. Where does that come into play?
>>321129994
I find it funny that such an early game set the standard, and nothing has even touched it yet on the console. Developers gave up on trying.
Capcom mobile engine is something else.
Nintendo should just sell an extremely solid mobile controller and lock all their games to it. Boom. Sell cheap hardware at 2x-3x the price to billions of users and open the mobile market to real games (that need controllers). Mobile gaming is shit because no controllers (and people being cheapskates) but I believe both barriers can be overcome by the Nintendo brand.
>>321130146
It made a lot of sacrifices for those graphics, it's less of a game than TLoU. You're always in a fucking hallway pretty much
>>321130052
>Xenoblade X
You wot m8
>>321127847
Retroarch runs like shit on Vita, compared to the n3DS so take that as you will.
>>321130216
>Nintendo should just sell an extremely solid mobile controller and lock all their games to it. Boom
I see you're not a business major. You want to explain how it would instantaneously turn things around?
>>321130302
>You're always in a fucking hallway pretty much
What's wrong with that? Wide open spaces suck in a Resident Evil game.
>>321130146
And Resident Evil Mercenaries for the 3DS is also one of the better looking titles for the system and that was released near the systems launch.
>>321130406
Vita isn't hacked, it only has a sandboxed PSP emulator you can run shit in.
>>321129604
>>321129787
I really want something like this already. If it's like a real streamlined gamepad or whatever, that'd rock. I don't care too much about dual screen if they want to get rid of it whatever.
>>321129604
>>321129787
If it means I can actually play Monster Hunter on a big screen again, fuck it, bring it on.
Will Nintendo ever be able to go back to a single-screen handheld?
>>321131037
Maybe, would be nice.
>>321126151
>What do you expect of the 3DS successor?
Nogames for the first year, after the price cut and pokemon cames come flooding in and it becomes the essensial handheld
>Do you expect them to half ass it?
Of course. With a full prease understadu and all, though the second interation of it will be cheaper then the shitty launch console and better in every way.
Expect decade old tech and a meh price point. I say this with the 3DS being my most used console for games this gen, even over PC. Great games, but until nintendo takes the retard pants off their head and releases the games people want to get an install base when the console releases, we're gonna have some problems
>>321131037
literally why
the nintendo NX is probably a fucking smartphone with proprietary nintendo apps
>>321126470
Are you retarded?
>>321131381
Agreed, if it's 720p though I'll be fine. 720p panels are dirt cheap as are chippers that can drive them. A lot of pushy dead don't wanna make HD games though so they may go 480p for the sake of laziness
>>321130418
Every consumer in the world has smartphones. Every "gamer" or possible "gamer" has a smartphone. Why buy a shitty mobile device (3ds) when I already have one (only lacking in hardware gamepads). That's it if you can't see it, you can't see it.
>>321131381
They already said they're pushing for a good starting lineup because of what happen this gen, so I hope it'll avoid it. They're just releasing filler shit right now so I have some hope. Heck just release Animal Crossing and nips will go wild.
Honestly, they should just throw some extra $$$$ to GF so they put a big Pokemon game a little after launch. It might hurt the sales a little of that game but it prints money anyways, but you'll get a big install base so Atlus and shit can jump on sooner rather than later.
>>321132064
I'd buy it so long as it has physical controls. If it has video out fuck yeah
>>321132492
I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't obvious Wiiu game development is dead. It's clear they're focusing on NX shit right now.
>>321126151
Would be nice if they dropped the 2 screen and 3d gimmicks. Just give me 1 very high-res, large sized screen. Like a 2016 version of the Gameboy SP. That would be dope.
>>321132842
Yeah, pretty much. I mean most of their big devs are working on something big since they haven't done shit lately. Even Monolith is onto their next big RPG, since X came out early this year already. They're just waiting for the NX at this point. Amiibo festival screams, "whoops we moved AC U to NX."
>>321132064
Agreed, I'd even say a rebranded android smartphone since they're lazy as fuck
>>321132940
I don't see this happening because they've been really good on backwards compatibility.
>>321133386
Wiiu probably won't even hit 15m sales, it's a massive flop. I really do expect a 2016 e3 reveal and late fall release. But maybe hold off til 2017 if they want a good launch window. Investors must be furious, 3DS is a success at least.
My money is on the nx being a direct successor to both the wiiu and 3ds.
>>321128101
>>321127695
3DS sales are already stagnating.
Being replaced by early 2017, 6 years after launch, is the most logical thing.
So NX handheld reveal at E3 2016 and launch Q1 2017
I want a more powerful Vita with Nintendo games on it. That's what I want.
I want a 60 FPS 3D Mario platformer that I can take on the go, like 3D Land but not shit.
I want it to be on a single screen with no shitty gimmicks and I want it at a price point of around 200-250 dollars.
No more dual screens, no 3D, a touch screen (maybe), just A B X and Y, two analog sticks, two shoulder buttons, and good Nintendo games.
>>321134298
I could see it being a powerful modified android tablet with a custom Tegra Chipset better than the X1 which was already more powerful than wiiu. Video out for console mode and has built in controls and a physical controller. Like pic related.
>>321126151
>really need
no, they really don't
>>321134741
I feel this so hard, 720p/60 Nintendo do games on the go. Tegra X1 is more powerful than a Wiiu and very energy efficient for how powerful it is
>>321134802
I seriously doubt it, I'm expecting some bootleg nintendo bullshit processor that nobody's ever heard of, and it'll probably fit in a fat ass tablet.
>>321132023
Second screen is a drain on processing power and is rarely utilized in 99 percent of games outside of a glorified pause menu.
>>321134741
>>321134741
>Single Screen
I get the rest, but why no second screen? It's been useful in pretty much any game I've played on the 3DS.
>>321135260
lmao2screens is a meme
>>321126151
Just a Wireless controller that need to be connect to Smartphone and It will run games with Nintendo's apps
>>321129994
Which is right.
>>321135260
Draw more cycles from CPU/GPU, also leads to a less sleek formfactor
>>321135260
Besides separating the UI in 2 parts, what has it done that a pause menu cannot?
>>321126151
I expect to not buy it either, because for the life of me I can't justify another lump of plastic for the two games I want to play that are still chained to proprietary handhelds. I also expect it to be even less useful or interesting than my smartphones and tablets than its predecessor was.
>>321127642
>>321127980
The CPU used in the 3DS is not even the same family as the stock Cortex A9 cores used in the Vita.
ARM cores vary radically, you absolutely cannot compare their clockspeeds and extrapolate anything from them alone.
You're an idiot.
>>321135578
Because of insane sacrifices. The game is in an eternal hallway Vita could do PS4 graphics if it used those tricks.
>>321135260
Because games are forced to be designed around those two screens. I'm not going to say that the DS and even the 3DS didn't give the developers a lot of room to experiment with games, but let's be real here, 99 percent of games on the DS/3DS simply use it for a map/information storage, which is necessary due to the fact that the top screen is so goddamn small. A larger screen would allow devs to put up maps and the like on the screen with the gameplay, such as putting up a minimap.
Nintendo sold gangbusters with the DS. They sold really well with the 3DS. I honestly don't think that people are going to be buying the new handheld all that often, ESPECIALLY considering a lot of people just bought the New 3DS.
I expect it be priced at $150 or less.
>>321135578
Not really, Revelations isn't even as good looking as Soul Sacrifice Delta when it comes to textures, models, assets, areas, etc. and its not even native res.
If they do a stylus/touch screen again, the button configuration has to be symmetrical. No more mistakes like the 3ds.
I want something thatISN"T FUCKING REGION LOCKED
>>321126151
I hop e the nx is an upgraded handheld.Imagine what the 3ds could do if it had much better specs.
>>321136362
Would it really change much? Developers still make shitty looking games even with more power. All things considered, plenty of PSP games look better for example.
What are the chances of it being backwards compatible with both DS and 3DS games?
>>321134802
I want one of these for emulation purposes really badly but it's hideous and I'm not sure of the build quality.
>>321136623
Depends if it has 2 screens.
>>321126151
I expect it to be even worse than the 3ds, it's success is unknown since i dont really understand the success of the 3ds.
It had a god awful launch and it had nothing going for it hardware wise.
>>321136458
I suppose not much since it loads 2 screens at the same time.
Let me dream anon
>>321136828
2 screens doesnt really mean more power usage when its just UI elements.
>>321127642
That's the PSP CPU in the vita
The PS vita CPU is a quad core cortex A9, which is the same type of processor as the iphone 4 and 4s except 4 or them.
>>321126151
My ideal specs:
>1 huge screen
>can send text or make calls
>WiFi/internet connection
>Bluetooth
>Touchscreen
>Camera
>Mic
>Gyro
>Slot for 3DS/DS backwards compatibility
>can remote play with NX just like Vita is to Vita TV and PS3 and 4
>10 to 12 hour battery life
>>321137048
My ideal realistic specs
-4.5 to 5 inch 720p top screen and 360p bottom
-2GB ram
-dual analogs
-whatever cameras
-2200+mah battery
>>321126151
I just hope they have an android mode or cartridge so I can use it for emulating and not awful video playing.
Something like the internet browser game for the nintendo DS
>>321137321
I'm trying to be unrealistic here since I only get to do it during X-mas season. Let me dream a bit.
>>321136939
It probably does, never played it but the final fantasy 3 on regular ds supposedly turned off one screen in battles for more power.
>>321137321
>>321137429
Also
>2GB ram
>make it 4 and a Core i5-like processor
>>321127642
>COMPARING FUCKING CLOCK SPEEDS
STOP THIS.
>>321126487
This, if everything we've seen is right we wont get a 3ds because the nx will have a fully independent mobile unit
>>321137731
The Snapdragon 801 was a quadcore 2.4ghz processor, that means it's like 4 times faster than those 1.2ghz dual core Core M processors right?
A bigger New 3DS with actual currently comparable specs and at least 720p. Hopefully a bigger circle pad than the little nipple.
>>321126151
They'll go cheap and spend the leftover money on securing MH for another 5 years.
>>321138327
Why bother, there's no other platform to make it for. Sony confirmed they're out of the handheld game and not even nips would play on phones, the controls would be hell.
>>321138247
current spec would be too expensive.
Just throw in what the chinese tablets are using.
$200-$300 phones are pretty speedy these days
>>321138609
They're could make a profitable, HD 3DS for $150. Xiaomi produces powerful, quality, cheap devices.
>>321138912
No doubt, but even their just-catching-up-to-last-year tier phones are like $400-$500
And we should be seeing a new batch of snapdragon 820 phones soon
>Nintendo handheld
>hardware
>especially screen resolution
Good luck with that.
>>321126487
LOLOL
Nah.
They'll just shove a clamshell 3DS 1.0 (minus the shit 3D tech) tier handheld that's built like the one in the OP onto the system as a controller.
Will come with a camera, a SD slot and removable batteries.
>>321139221
The Redmi Note 3 I'd beastly for an under $200 phone. The Hello X10 is better than the Snapdragon 801 too. Phone tech from 2 years ago shit's on the 3DS even
>>321139802
Phone tech from 5 years ago shit's on the 3ds.
But yeah I didn't notice the redmi note 3, pretty decent value but still around the performance level i'd expect.
Definitely a major candidate for a cheap console.
>>321139730
That would just make it really expensive and pretty much just the Wii U.
I expect higher dev costs and continued shitting up of basic features like online connectivity and region-locking to combine with Nintendo's continued repression of new ideas in established series to make for a portable system with an overall disappointing library compared to the Game Boy and the DS. Original games and some good sequels will exist, but disappointments will continue as with 3DS, and those looking for another Game Boy or another DS will be sorely disappointed.
I am against stronger hardware that will do nothing but bloat up game budgets.
people comparing phones to 3DS really need to remember that phones are typically sold at heavy subsidy with contracts and even then are still more expensive than a 3DS. I'd be willing to believe that a phone which cost 100 dollars to make in 2011 would be comparable to an original 3DS.
>>321140119
It's the best sub $200 phone unless you go used. You can get a Sony z3 used in that range, sexy device. But yeah phones creating cheap, powerful, and obsolete hardware should help the next handheld to suck less hardware wise. Atleast 400x240 will finally be dead, fuck that shit
I'm thinking of starting a project to create my own series of custom handheld devices. I'm hoping to get a strong library of indie games going on it, like The Binding of Isaac for example. It'd support homebrew and emulation of course. Would /v/ be interested in something like that?
>>321140348
I am against resolutions so low you can't even make out facial details unless bland large chili characters.
>>321140348
Stronger hardware allows devs to be more wasteful with resources if they choose.
the 3D feature was probably more damaging to budgets and quality but no one complained about it.
The only reason LBW and yoshi's new island didn't do a better job of capturing the visuals of their predecessors was because of that stupid 3D bullshit.
Plus it means the games that happen to have the budget can look less like ass which is always a plus
>>321140475
Wrong. The average FLAGSHIP costs $200-250 in parts and labor. But we have new mid end phones that coat like $80-120 in parts/labor are are drastically more powerful than the Vita even. Also contracts are dying, everyone just does payment plans now. Phones are sold at like 300% profit on average excluding when subsidized.
>>321140739
Stronger hardware will only lead to devs making games that run just as badly, only with more expensive assets.
This has been a common trend with consoles for over a decade now.
The switch from the PS2 to the PS3 completely ruined videogames, and people are asking for the same for handhelds now.
3D was definitely a mistake though.
>>321140612
Care to elaborate?
>>321141069
That's because the PS3 was a clunky mess.
Using phone hardware would actually help a lot with that because lots of people know how to develop for it.
>>321141069
An improvement in handhelds would only put them at the level of a hi def ps2. Not the worst thing in the world.
>>321127642
Um 333mhz is the clock speed of the PSP you stupid faggot
so long as it's more than 240p jesus how did they manage to ship a system with such a shit resolution in this day and age
>>321141227
The 360 had the same issue. The WiiU suffers from it now.
The whole last gen completely fucked with gaming budgets and tons of companies had to scale their projects back because everything got too expensive.
People demand grafics but then wonder why development takes much longer.
>>321141131
Handhelds are only as good as their exclusives.
For emulation there's always cheap chink devices.
>>321128103
This is the most autistic thing I've read all day, and it's almost midnight so I've read a lot of autistic shit by now.
>>321141427
No idea, it's pure cancer though. It's just too low res for anything with any detail. Could have went 360p at least.
>>321140152
No it wouldn't. A comparably powerful and energy efficient system would cost them about 100 dollars at best.
Let's be honest, the ps4 and xb1 are off the shelf laptop pcs built around a midtier graphics card.
Claiming it costs them more then 75 bucks a pop is being generous.
The tech that would go into producing a sleeker DS or 3DS 1.0 tier controller without the 3D would cost them almost nothing.
And unlike the wiiu these controllers will be cheap, ubiquitous, you can use four of them on one console, you can take the handhelds AWAY from the console and play something else on it.
and you wouldn't really need them to turn the console on meaning that the grey market possibilities will be expanded greatly.
Plus, if it was sold at a comparable price to the current gen controllers, it would oust the cheap android phone as the go to digital toy and streaming media device of children. Plus the marketing possibilities and amiibo toy sales would be ridiculous.
They could conceivably sell the NX plus two of those handheld controllers for 250 bucks.
200 if they wanted to be dicks about it.
Remember. The powerful system with their world famous IPs and gaming name is more then likely going to be a partial trojan horse to get their handheld into the hands of tens of millions of children and adults.
Children and adults who'd never think that plunking down over 100 dollars for a dedicated handheld, even if it is a nintendo handheld, is a good decision.
AND if Nintendo plays it's cards right it can get the new audience ready for their top of the line brand spanking new handheld, that can also hook up to the NX.
>>321141427
video games
>>321126428
Even 480 is being optimistic. Just looking at the pattern so far:
GBC = 144
GBA = 160
NDS = 196 (x2)
3DS = 240 (x2)
>>321131037
Wasn't there some talk of Nintendo looking into screens that could fold a while back? I could see them slapping one big touchscreen that can fold into a clam shell design, and making it backwards with the 3DS by only using the bottom half for input when playing 3DS games.
>>321140953
>200-250 in parts and labor
so 2 to 2.5 times more than a 3DS cost to make in 2011? Doesn't that imply that they would be sold at 2 or 2.5 times the price?
>new mid end phones that cost like $80-120
as in, 2015 phones? How is that relevant to the costs of a static platform designed half a decade before it?
I admit I don't know much about phone contract costs, my understanding was that the modern-day 600-700 dollar flagships were sold with contracts for heavily reduced up-front costs. Maybe that's changed, I dunno. I don't keep up with new phones.
I want to reiterate, however, that I asked to see a phone made in 2011 that cost 100 dollars in parts and labor, which is what a 3DS cost to make in 2011, the year of its release. Phones released after the 3DS are not relevant because consoles are by necessity of design a static hardware platform. I want to see comparisons to its hardware contemporaries.
>>321141450
The issue is fags aiming for photo realism. Thays what hurts development times. You can have a powerful console and use good art styles with good AA and development I reasonable time.
>>321141450
At the high end maybe, and the 360 didn't suffer for it, I remember playing The Maw, limbo, bastion, whatever back when the XBLA was a thing before indie took off.
And the Wii U sucked because nintendo is a dinosaur, look at all the indie cross platformers and exclusives on xbox one and ps4, such bloated development budgets.
The only thing nintendo has to do is no allow micropayment trash on their console and open it up to everyone else and people will make the ugly low budget things you want.
The only problem is nintendo is becoming a bigger jew than EA and activision combined so if they stop being a dinosaur for long enough to notice clash of clans, we're doomed.
>>321141871
the problem there is that all game players (yes, we are to blame for this too at some point or another) have judged games for their graphics or have been quick to pan a title for looking bad to us. Realism has forever been a goal to achieve, however flawed that goal is, and to those ends developers really have just worked to give the entire buying industry what they wanted.
We must remember that the importance of screenshots in selling games still speaks very loudly, especially to the inexperienced in the field. It is the unfortunate truth that those who abuse high-end graphics often do so to the tone of extraordinary profit margins and massive dedicated fanbases.
>>321141843
You could literally build a phone with physical controls 10x stronger than 3DS for $150 and sell it for $200/250. Take out the radios and you'll make it even cheaper.
Tl:Dr
If Nintendo do wanted too they could released an HD handheld right now for $200 and make solid profit on it.
>>321141871
Problem is that people have demands.
Cant make a game that runs well but is not up to visual standards.
Fanboy retards love to spam that Toukiden vs MH picture but always forget to mention that Toukiden runs at 30fps at best and MH attempts to go for 60.
>>321142375
Minecraft
>>321142375
I just want a handheld with clear no jaggy visuals where you can make out details. I wanna make out my characters eyes for example instead of lixilates colors. I don't care for photo realism but detail is nice. No one buys Nintendo do for realism anyway. Make it powerful for the right reasons.
>>321142256
It comes to be a bit more when you add in the cost of developing the operating system and core dev tools. They have to make up for massive in house costs and long term design and supply plans that most phones don't really have to deal with. You're still on the money for the most part.
>>321142629
Design is easy you just throw a bought chipset in a shell you design with a battery. Arm has made this much easier and cheaper than it used to be. Nintendo do really has no excuse to not go HD outside of laziness or If they wanna sell for $99.
>>321129698
vr-lite eyeglasses?
I want a handheld that doesn't scratch it's own screen when you close it.
>>321143029
Custom made inputs cost insanely more than just putting a touch screen in a shell. Whatever os they are running, the sdk, all that is more than a phone. They have no excuse for not going hd, but your understanding of hardware costs is a little skewed. There's more to the system than just the arm core and they do a lot of their own R&D. They have massive profit margins, but not as large as you think when it comes to how much money they are burning on gimmicks.
>>321142256
Again, this statement is aligned to current standards, and does not reflect an accurate example of a console development and production cycle. If we just wanted to make the 4DS now we could, yes, but they don't because, for starters, that's a horrible business move to just go and alienate the entire 3DS userbase after only 4 years max on the market. A console is expected to be relevant for 5 years or so, 4 years only at the absolute minimum for unsuccessful systems like the Xbox. If you go and release a big new system just willy nilly then you'll fuck all of the old buyers, which hurts you in the long run. Yes, they did release the New 3DS, but that's a far cry from being a whole new system.
I repeat, show me a 2011 phone which cost 100 bucks in parts and labor to construct in that year, and demonstrate that it is considerably more capable than a 3DS. As it is, you're just repeating obvious facts about hardware progression begetting stronger, cheaper devices over time.
>>321142460
A total fluke, games like that are by far the exception rather than the norm, unfortunate as that is.
>>321144073
Really?
Explain the popularity of 16 bit snes tier games done in flash?
The popularity of crap tier mobile games?
The fact that pure rip offs of ds games from over a decade ago are still selling hand over fist in some places.
The Wii.
Face it.
Graphics was the carrot a long time ago. But now we're well into the "put up or shut up" era and pretty graphics but nothing else is not going to cut it anymore.
>>321143965
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395035,00.asp
It's an assumption i recognise, but i suspect the iphone 4 to have cost about $100 at around this point in time.
Incase you don't know what kind of perf the iphone 4 could do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7zTM5_1DRc
>>321144521
I see bored people easily convinced to part with their time and/or money in exchange for cheap thrills which are quickly forgotten. Graphics are frequently brought up still in the realm of more serious enthusiasts. Hell, we still see people pre-order games based on cutscenes and teaser trailers. Older gamers may be wizened by experience but a new sucker picks up a controller every minute.
>>321142191
>the problem there is that all game players (yes, we are to blame for this too at some point or another) have judged games for their graphics or have been quick to pan a title for looking bad to us.
There's a difference between saying a game looks shit due to not having enough fancy graphical tricks, and saying it's shit because of poor art direction. I know I've only ever done the second.
>>321144784
I strongly doubt an iphone 4 cost that little to create in 2011, but if it does then I'll concede. Though I will say that the main difference I see is, as mentioned earlier by others, resolution. Nintendo historically takes a low-res screen for ease of rendering at higher framerates. This does hurt the overall image, it is true. Personally I prefer this to having a prettier game which is less enjoyable to play, but that is up to interpretation, and of course to the dedication of the engineers working on the software.
>>321126151
Nothing. Handhelds are dead.
>>321145307
I won't pretend to know you and I don't have time to stay around here discussing it, all I will say is that I strongly doubt that you've never done the former even once in your life.
>>321142375
MH has AAA budget while Toukiden has new IP budget. Compare MH with the nearest good looking 3DS game and what do you get? A very huge gap.
>>321126151
>3DS successor
nope, handheld is dying
they'll go full mobile
>>321145353
Well It's impossible to get production costs of iphones after release, all I can say is it's probably cheaper if it's successor is roughly the same as the predecessor at release.
The point is nintendo had options around that price mark but the big costly part that they decided to gamble on was that 3D top screen.
And I think that money could have been spent better.
>>321132482
Developers like them because of more reliable sales (the mobile market is notoriously volatile) and enthusiasts like them because of physical buttons.
>>321145478
Unless you count "This has aged poorly" then I can honestly say I haven't.
>>321126151
The shittiest, most crippling hologram projection technology that will ever be concieved.
Screencap it fag
>>321145478
I dont think I've done that either.
I judge by looks a lot but it's just "does this look good to me"
And it's not restricted to hardware demanding, eufloria is one of my favourite indie games that i picked up back when checking steam's new releases was actually possible.
I judged that book by it's cover and it was pretty good.
Osmos too.
I miss when indies were good.
>>321126151
A 4DS
>>321140348
Not really, game devs can make games with shitty graphics if they want to with stronger hardware.
Just look at all the budget weeb shit on the PS4 that have PS2 tier graphics.
>>321147274
Banned from sweden because it caused muslims to denounce their faith after absorbing the knowledge of the 4th dimension.
>>321147274
>blows air and water into your face
>IPS Panel
>720p
>No region lock
pls
>>321147557
>No region lock
You're a funny guy
why is it that the ds lite battery life at low brightness is 2-3x higher than the original 3ds with low brightness? Is is just that the games need the additional processing power or did they cheap out on batteries?
>>321147516
>>mario sunshine 2
>paint and water
>EVERYWHERE
>>321141843
Well, lower end phones like the moto g and e, etc still trump the 3ds in processing power. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the 2018 3ds to have similar specs to 2011 phones (e.g. Galaxy S2), if not better
I don't know.
I pray that the NX isn't a console/handheld because that's just Wii u faggots being jealous of the superior 3ds lineup.
Console fags can fuck right off.
why hasn´t the ds had new games coming out? it has been years, seriously nintendo
>>321126151
I believe nx will be an ecosystem thata has an 200 $ home console and 150$ dollar handheld. So neither will be that powerful by themselves, but when linked they can share each others processing power and equal ps4 and xbone. Also the gimmick is you can play parts of the homeconsole game on the go on the handheld, to gain benefits to main game.
It will end up too complicated for third party devs so it will only have nintendo games and mobile phone level games that behave the same on the handheld and the homeconsole.
>>321148312
>http://wccftech.com/iphone-6s-costs-apple-234-manufacture/
I dont think it's unreasonable for a 2018 3ds to have high end 2015 specs
>>321126151
hopefully they call it a Gameboy again. It'll sell a shitload of copies off the name alone.
>>321148869
it's nintendo so that's pretty unreasonable
calling it, it´s the gameboy maximus
>>321148952
You raise a legitimately solid argument.
>>321148935
people aren't the stupid mindless sheep you think they are
the ds and wii printed money but the successors who share their names struggles or are still struggling. The 3ds only climbed out of its hole when it got games. We may or may not see a turn around for the wii u
>>321145693
What? MH isnt even the prettiest 3DS game.
RE Revelations looks much better.
Performance also has nothing to do with budget.
>>321148935
Considering nintendos recent baming sense, its probably something like Wiibleboof OR WiiThem
>>321149135
it´s pretty obvious the NX will be another wii, i had hopes of project cafe having another line and name but it didn´t happened
>>321149338
They already said it wasn't like the other week nigger
>>321142375
>MH attempts to go for 60.
It fails pretty bad.
>>321149271
if they call it a wibblewoof i'll buy two
