>PS1 and PS2 games run at 60 FPS
>PS3 and PS4 games run at 30 FPS
What went wrong? Why is this acceptable? I am genuinly curious, why???
>PS1 and PS2 run at 60
No they didn't.
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>PS1 and PS2 games run at 60 FPS
>>321123153
>>321123287
A lot of those games did actually.
>>321122630
>PS1 and PS2 games run at 60 FPS
How the spot the kid that started playing last gen
>>321123403
Not really.
>PS1 and PS2 run at 60
>>321122630
>PS1 and PS2 run at 60 fps
False flag detected
>>321122630
Emulation is not the real thing dipshit.
>>321122630
Go back to watching pewds, young man.
>ps1 and ps2
>60 fps
>>321123812
>>321123649
>>321123476
>>321123468
>>321123459
>>321123429
>>321123403
>>321123287
>>321123153
Fighting Games: Tekken series, Soul Calibur series, Virtua Fighter 4/Evolution
Racing Games: Ridge Racer V, Gran Turismo series, Burnout series, Wipeout Fusion, ATV Offroad Fury, Auto Modelista, Enthusia, Grand Prix Challenge, V-Rally
Action Games: Devil May Cry series, God of War series, Castlevania series, Rygar, Chaos Legion, Zone of Enders series, Onimusha series, Genji, Mark of Kri, Extermination
Shmups: Gradius V, R-Type Final, Silpheed
Platforming Games: Jak series, Ratchet and Clank series, Sly Cooper series, Ape Escape 2 (and 3, but 3 had tons of slowdown for some reason while 2 runs perfectly), Klonoa 2, Rayman 3, Maximo series, Crash Bandicoot series, Transformers Armada albeit with heavy slowdown, Mega Man X8, I-Ninja
Sports Games: Madden, NCAA, MLB, SSX series, Tony Hawk series, Downhill Domination
Action-Adventure Games: Metal Gear Solid 2, Dual Hearts, Legend of Kay, Kya, Tomb Raider Angel of Darkness
RPGs: Star Ocean 3, Valkyrie Profile 2, Radiata Stories, Tales of Abyss/Legendia, Dark Cloud, Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance and Champions of Norrath series
Rhythm Games: Frequency, Amplitude, Gitaroo Man, Rez
Misc: Flipnic Pinball, Bombastic, Stretch Panic
>>321122630
I miss 60fps PS2 games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b60JW8rvv8
>>321124180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_ZljKlnido
1080p 60fps
PS2 gen emulation is better than last gen games
>>321124180
>that aiming down
holey fuck, now I have to play timesplitters
>>321124108
Source?
Mostly fighting games were 60fps
Everything else was pretty much 30fps or lower eg. Kingdom Hearts
>>321124108
>>321122630
you can't optimize pc games for a console and expect it to run great.
in regards to titles like the last of us and such... i have no fucking idea.
>>321124421
is it true timesplitters emulates extremely well?
>>321122630
It's fine, the human eye can only process 25fps anyway.
>>321124421
>PS2 gen emulation is better than last gen games
Now try Ratchet and Clank or Jak and Daxter
>>321124542
Yeah, the first game ran amazingly well on my toaster.
>>321122630
>resolutions keep getting bigger and yet we're still stuck with 1998 framerates
thanks casuals
>>321124551
oh
ok then
>>321124478
Most of these games are ported FROM consoles to PC.
>>321122630
>from 97-01 we get 4 great Final Fantasy titles
>it takes 5 years to get the next mainline entry, 4 more for the one after that, still waiting on the next one
Why is this allowed?
>>321124542
I was able to run Timesplitters 2 at 1080p at 60fps on a 5 year old budget laptop
Timesplitters FP needs a bit of tweaking and I think there's an odd graphical bug with fog but other than that, it runs perfectly
>>321124617
Fair point. Take into account the HD remakes for those games run at 60fps so
PS2 games run at 720p at 60fps on last gen hardware while last gen games can't
>>321124721
ok so then newer sony consoles are just poorly optimized pieces of shit?
>>321124780
>wait 5 years for the new great Bethesda game
>it's a bugfest filled with fecies
>>321122630
The difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS is literally imperceptible, so they figured that dropping the FPS in exchange for better graphical fidelity would be a good idea. Microsoft and Sony failed to account for one thing though: autism.
>>321124108
great going, copy pasting a list which took over a decade to compile. by the way, this is literally every game on both ps1 and ps2, out of over a thousand, which is over 60 fps. yeah, you can cherry pick all you want, sure f-zero was 60 fps on nintendo 64 but that doesn't mean all the games were. most on ps1 didn't run at 60fps, some games on ps2 dont even run at 10 fps, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about
>>321124108
You realize that's a fraction of a fraction of PS1/2 games, right? And some of that shit is outright shovelware.
>>321124802
HD remake is still an HD remake, not an emulation.
>>321124464
Source? Just play the fuckin games.
I can confirm several of the games listed run at 60, why would he lie?
>>321124108
As much as that is only 1/100 or more games running at 60fps it makes me wonder, how many from ps3/ps4 generation run at 60? Do any?
>>321125141
I didn't mention emulation as a PC master race thing
I mentioned it to point out the fact that PS2 games can run better and at a higher resolution than last gen games
>>321122630
because consoles are holding back the industry now and devs would rather make gimped games and make more money. Its capitalism.
>>321124721
yeah, what happened to the good ole days when games were programmed on the console themselves and not on a computer?
oh, wait a minute
All 60FPS
>>321124836
yeah, or they dont really give a shit to bother to optimize it as long as it looks decent
>>321124802
Obviously hd remasters run better because other than resolution they rarely came close to last gen games in terms of model quality(polycount not artstyle), textures(most stayed true to older games and were just higher resolution), lighting, amount of objects on screen, effects and so on.
>>321125169
Because most of those rpgs run at 30fps
>>321125083
I literrally can't understand it. The HD remakes of the PS2 games look beautiful (Ratchet and Clank for example) and they still run at 60 FPS. If they didn't push the graphics so far and instead focused on resolution and framerate, we wouldn't have this shitty 30 FPS meta. What the fuck were they thinking, the PS3 Ratchet and Clank games ran at 60 FPS and they had nice graphics. Why push the limits for autstic children who need "gud grafigz" when you can have a better experience with slightly worse graphics but fucking 60 FPS?
>>321125263
>ps3 generation
i know quake 2 on xbox 360 runs at 1080p 60 fpsbut i doubt thats what you wanted to know
Okami HD on PS3 actually downsamples from 4k to 1080p and is 60FPS
>>321124108
autism
>>321125492
this bothers me too. you would think companies would be jumping for this meme to succeed. higher fps (on consoles) means smaller textures and less poly models meaning less work, AND appeasing autists who actually care, for again, LESS WORK
companies are just stupid
>>321122630
I hate how people are equating FRAMES to Quality these days. Graphics back then were trash so it was easier to render more frames. games nowadays are almost photorealistic with a dozen other variables.
>>321124464
A lot of people would be surprised to hear KH is 30fps, which underscores a difference many people fail to acknowledge: frame time versus frame rate.
Without getting too technical, frame time is the time it takes each frame to render and can be thought of as how steady or consistent the frames are being put out rather than just the rate(like latency versus bandwidth for those so inclined). It's this that ruins the perceptual experience for most people, not framerate. It's just that with all the ridiculous tryhard graphic whoring these days, devs are constantly biting off more than they can chew so if they manage to hit 30fps at all, even if it's filled with microstutter and dips in several areas, they call it a win and ship.
It's not that 30fps is inherently terrible, it's just more likely that a 30fps game is a barely-stable mess pushing the hardware more than it really should because of a ridiculous graphical arms race.
>>321125838
So its okay if games run like shit as long as they are photorealistic?
>>321125838
its only that way becasue for the first time they just go oh 30 frames is better. Its total bullshit to allow modern games on consoles and they still need to be gimped to get them to work.
>>321125420
But they don't?
I'd give you some videos but I'm on my phone and I'm a lazy shit
>>321125838
The question is why are they photorealistic. Most of these games are shit anyways, the realism is so badly made it is confusing and not fun to play.
>>321124180
>>321124421
>FPS released on literally every platform but PC
Then again, Free Radical did make precisely one PC game, but still. I thought PC was still a very relevant market for these kinds of games back then, wasn't it? Before it became a full fledged console port box?
>>321122630
>PS1
Practically no 3D PS1 games ran at 60fps
>PS2
At about the same rate as PS3 and PS4 games
>>321125121
You realize that's a fucking ton of popular games right? And that most shitty games you won't ever play run at 60fps, right?
>>321126262
Just emulate them you dummy
>>321125727
>and is 60FPS
It's only 1080p, the textures were resampled from 1440p also.
Definitely 30fps. With drops.
>>321126345
>console FoV
>have to use a controller to aim
>the game is unplayable without aim assist
No thanks.
You can't use frames per second to enhance a bullshot.
>>321126310
It also leaves a ton of games out.
There's a ton of popular PS3/4 games that run at 60, it doesn't make them indicative of overall performance.
>>321126262
>Free Radical did make precisely one PC game
After Free Radical fell apart, do you want to know where it's developers went?
They went on to Crytek UK
And proceeded to develop Crysis 2
>>321124180
Reminds me of Goldeneye n64
>>321126546
You can't use frames per second as an excuse for PC not getting any games this decade
They decided graphics was more important than smoothness.
Pretty simple.
>>321122630
>PS1 and PS2 games run at 60 FPS
Very, VERY rarely indeed.
In fact, I defy you to find me one single 3D game on the PS1 that ran at 60 FPS. Does not fucking exist.
>>321126626
>And proceeded to develop Crysis 2
Wrong
>>321124108
Half of this list has dips into the 30s.
>PS5 and PS6 run at 15fps
>>321122630
This is why Janeway will always be considered a better captain than you Picard.
>>321126916
>Crysis 2
>Developers: Crytek, Free Radical Design
>>321126828
>62 replies
its okay anon most people on this website are fucking retards who gobble up anything people tell them without thinking first
http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?26920-Games-with-3D-graphics-running-at-60-fps-5th-Generation-Consoles
>>321127107
Multiplayer portion, I mean
They also developed Crysis 2's multiplayer
>>321126714
>game of the year all years game out on pc this year
good argument
>>321126828
Tobal No. 1 and 2 and Omega Boost off the top of my head.
>>321127107
They only made the multiplayer.
>>321124108
I can tell you from years of experience that the Champions of Norrath games do not run at 60. If they do, it's only momentary.
Couldn't you just chuck em in an emulator to see what fps they run at?
I've been emulating some PS2 games and almost all of the ones I played have been at 60 or 50 for PAL games.
>>321126828
Tekken
Mortal Kombat
Rascal
>>321127286
Witcher 3 combat is god awful and you know it
>>321127286
devs dont make games for pc becasue nvidia keeps fucking their shit up making them look bad to promote their own hardware. they need to keep the hardware manufacturers out of the development process but instead they just bailed out to consoles.
>>321127461
Thats not how it works.
Thats like saying you can just strap a bike onto a interplanetary rocket to measure how fast you can be with the bike.
>>321127461
60fps means full speed, not what frame rate the game is running at. There's no indicator as far as I'm aware letting you know how games are running.
SOTC and Star Wars Clone Wars are some games that run at sub 30fps even at 'full speed'. It's just proper emulation at this point.
>>321127563
Not him but it's pretty good.
>>321127632
>devs dont make games for pc
what era are you living in?
>>321127461
No, emulators use speedhacks and I don't think any are completely accurate.
>>321122630
>>PS1 and PS2 games run at 60 FPS
I've never seen a bigger most blatant fucking lie ever
>>321127767
very few AAA developers are actively making games for pc. they are mostly badly optimized console ports.
>>321127461
>confusing the FPS display on an emulator for in game speed
>confusing hertz for frame rate
>>321127687
You're an idiot if you think Kingdom Hearts will magicially run at 60fps instead of 30fps.
It's capped at 30fps and won't go higher unless you mod it
>>321127687
>>321127767
Mmmm I don't really understand.
So even if the emulator runs it at that speed the original consoles didn't?
>>321127563
why do you immediately think of witcher 3 as GOTYAY if you think something is godawful about it?i mean i know you are just dodging my extremely dank meme but just why did you think of that if you dont even like it
>>321127916
Says fps though, not hertz.
Why would they just label it wrong?
>2005 PS2 game run at 480p
>1998 pc game run at 1024x768
Why was this allowed?
>>321127916
faggot hrtz is the "framerate" of the monitor.
>>321127979
The emulator outputs using standard DirectX and/or windows libraries and likely has vsync or whatever tying it to the monitor refresh rate. The actual ingame logic dictates how often what's being output actually changes.
So if it's outputting at 60 hertz or "60fps," that means that for a 30fps game it displays the same frame twice.
>>321127904
This is a horrible joke. There are more good games(let alone shit games) being released on PC than any single console, by a notable margin. And it's been like this for a few years now.
>>321127979
What? I'm just saying the "60fps" just means full speed. It doesn't indicate the actual fps the game is running at. Some games when stressed will cap to 20fps just because of the way they were made, mgs3/sotc for instance.
>>321128153
It won VGAs and PCucks genuinely love it because they have extremely low standards.
Same reason you cucks love Neptunia
>>321127632
Ironically enough, the reason why PC even gets games is because of nVidia funding. Boot up GZ or TPP, and one of the screens you'll see will be an nVidia screen. MGS5 didn't come to PC out of Konami's volition, nVidia basically paid them to have another game to use to sell their GPUs. And those nVidia effects are in games because the developers accepted nVidia's money to turn their game into a showcase, which helps sell GPUs.
In fact, name a few PC games that do NOT have any nVidia/Intel/AMD intro videos, or any games that don't mention them at all. Just like the console makers, these companies pay for advertising and certain biasing, or in MGS' case, to come over to PC in the first place.
>>321128393
indie shit does not count that crap could run on fucking phones.
>>321127920
That still dosent apply for every game and dosent display the actual performance of the game.
Some even run worse when emulated.
Its just not accurate in any way.
>>321128346
>>321128393
Ah this makes more sense, thanks.
>>321128463
nvidia doesnt fund games idiot. they put bullshit proprietary addons in games. Ati just helps optimize the game for the same priveledge. Nvidia is cancer.
>>321128480
I agree. To me those aren't even PC games.
>>321128463
Nvidia doesn't give developers money.
>>321126106
>Most of these games are shit anyways, the realism is so badly made it is confusing and not fun to play.
I agree, I actually like older graphics anyways
>>321128745
>>321128657
Then why the fuck are they so heavily advertised in so many games? Do you think companies can willingly namedrop others companies, and feature their logos as fucking BILLBOARDS for free?
>le nvidia pays devs to release their games on pc conspiraycie
>>321128947
because they are lazy chumps. Every game with gimpworks runs like shit for everyone not just nvidia users. Artificial bloat or incompetence we will never know.
>>321128910
It is directly proportionate to gameplay. The better the graphics, to more gimmicky, clunky, "realistic" the gameplay is and it just makes you want to kill yourself. Especially when they try to do a realistic lighting system where you can't see shit because everything fuses together in a way. God I hate when they do this shit.
Pretty sure the PS4 more games running at 60 than all 3 predecessors combined.
>>321129115
theres games where nvidia was cought putting insane tesselation underwater where you couldnt see it. I think its artificial bloat myself to make idiots think they need to upgrade thier hardware every few years.
>>321122630
>bloodborne
>30fps
LOL!
more like low 20s to high 20s depending on everything.
>>321128947
Because they're bros just like AMD can be. Both GPU manufacturers help out develop games by supplying hardware and software for developers to use. Some companies make deals involving graphics cards, tech, or just promotions like bundling a game with a gpu and shit like that.
Nvidia in particular has made a lot of software that most games use, it's why the company has so much more money than AMD.
Why are you making statements without knowing shit?
>>321129115
And they don't even run that bad considering how they look, this is a shit tier meme. Black Flag was the fucking poster child of "muh gameworks" and I ran it at 1440p with a 680(2 year old gpu at that point) pushing close to 60fps. That's not a bad benchmark at all considering how good it looks. Watch Dogs looked better and ran a tiny bit worse. Big fucking deal.
>>321129229
ati fixed that though with driver optimization. Its called AMD optimized. it was a necessary thing to combat nvidias shitty business practices. Nvidia is on the attack and ati just keeps shutting them down quietly. this isnt how it should work.
>>321129235
>PC
>0 fps
LOL!
>>321129358
they run like garbage. what are you trying to do win the fanboy of the year award?
>>321122630
Who gives a shit. Stop caring so much about graphics.
>>321129448
stay mad sonygger.
this is coming from a guy who is playing BB atm but this frame rate is garbage.
>>321122630
Did PS1 games have good framerate though? Because N64 games fucking chugged at like 15-20fps a lot of the time.
6th gen had a lot of very good looking games at 60fps. Less so on PS2 though since it was slightly less powerful. A lot of dreamcast games did 60fps though.
>>321129014
When you boot up Ground Zeroes, this is one of the screens you see. When GZ was announced to have a PC version, Konami made a big deal about it, and used nVidia hardware to demonstrate it. Kojima himself was even seen holding an nVidia GPU and commenting on it. You are stupid if you don't think nVidia didn't have a hand in doing that.
>>321128947
If you weren't retarded you'd see that just about all AAA games put all the technologies software developers logos in the game.
>>321129786
you mean the video where he laughs and uses it as a telephone?
>>321129561
They run fine for how they look. Crysis 1 runs worse than they do.
Watch Dogs especially was fucking hilarious with all the shitters bitching about an easy performance fix we solved DAYS before the game even released. Sperglord PC newfags like you should stick to consoles.
>>321129786
Nvidia definitely helped them with the port, they did it all in-house and they've never done anything like that before.
Nvidia doesn't need to spend money paying developers like that, they get nothing from it. Shit like that is what losers do.
>>321128262
PS2 couldn't output above 480p. At all. First console to do that was the Xbox.
>>321129985
god rays is a shit gimmick to bloat the game. Hairworks is a shit gimmick to bloat the game. you are a shit consumer for not noticing this. you cant even disable the shit its ingrained in the game.
>>321129985
>Nvidia doesn't need to spend money paying developers like that, they get nothing from it.
Except money from GPU sales. Unfortunately for them, GZ is not a GPU demanding game, so this is why they haven't bothered much with other companies.
>>321129976
He was also using it as a cheese grater, or pantomiming as such.
>>321129985
Nvidia this Nvidia that fuck me with a wiffle ball bat.
>>321130152
Hairworks doesn't even have a big performance hit and has a cool effect, same with physx on occasion. Agreeing with godrays though, that tessellated shit doesn't even look good but then again the performance hit is tiny in Black Flag.
Nice deflections kiddo. What next will you cry about?
>>321130214
Sales that happen anyway. People don't buy new GPUs because of fucking splash screens, they already have a GPU if they're seeing one. They buy them because of budget/performance ratios and that's why Nvidia has been shitting on AMD for like 4 years now.
>>321130458
any game without gameworks. 1080p 60 fps with an hd7850 and then some. any game with gameworks have to start turning shit down. I can play GTA V ultra everything but shadows. 1080p 60 fps solid. Tell me how gameworks is a good thing again?
>>321130721
And now you're just lying. You're so pathetic.
>>321126262
Didi this some nasty ass coffee i hate you so much but the pussy game ridiculous
>>321122630
>Buying into the FPS meme
>>321128910
Looks like shit.
>>321131008
I have the 2GB OC version faggot and I am not lying. keep trying to justify your $600 dollar computer part kiddo.
nobody cares about framerate or refresh rate as long as you can take a screenshot that looks better than the other you win because you're all fucking retarded
>>321131008
what does this graphic even have to do with what he said?
Almost all the Gamecube games I had ran at 60 FPS, too. The 6th generation is still the best.
>>321132161
His card runs that none-gameworks game like shit. There are dozens of others that run similarly for that piece of crap.
>>321132060
My gpu is worth like $100 and shits on yours.
>>321125390
>>321125085
>some games on ps2 dont even run at 10 fps
Shadow of the Colossus?
>>321132564
whatever bro keep sucking that nvidia dick. they are the reason why devs just fucked off to consoles. there is no denying that gimpworks makes games run like shit. GTAV 1080p 60fps is good enough for me.
>>321122630
because back in the old days, if you want to be a programmer, you had to learn the hardware and know exactly where each byte goes and what each byte is doing. nowadays any retard can pick up java and python and pretend they are coding
tl;dr shitty developers
>>321132969
>being wrong about literally everything
stay mad retard
>>321125263
Pretty much all fighting games on those platforms are 60fps. MvC3 has frame drops, though.
>>321133096
you keep saying that. you just keep going your a liar your a liar. fuck off.
>>321133096
cherry picker as fuck. If gta can run at 60 fps theres no reason that piece of shit should be any different.
>>321133492
GTA can't run at 60 fps.
>>321133608
funny because it does. Its overclocked sure but who cares.
>>321132564
Nvidia this Nvidia that fuck me with a wiffle ball bat.
