Who requires more skill?
> Mario effortlessly presses A to break any combo
> Dorf has to think in order not to get comboed in the first place.
> Mario can set up a wombo combo from shield grab d-throw.
> Dorf has to read and tech chase to get follow ups.
>Mario can spam his d-air and n-air and use fire balls for an ultra safe approach.
>Dorf has to make risky decisions and mix up his game plan because flowchart would mean death.
Whenever I see a Mario main I switch to Mario and beat them just to show them how low the skill ceiling is.
Top Tier
Humble Low Tier Heroes
Cancer Tier
Low Tier Heroes who bitch about everything.
both suck, just play the character that requires the most skill and actually gets you results
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UR6nTRv298
>>321058296
Maybe it's just a bad match up you baby.
>Ganondorf mains pop off so hard when they win against you
>They cry even harder when they lose
Is there anything worse than a ganon main? I would rather fight tier whores than these faggots.
>2 soundtracks
>stage kinda sucks
>has like no range
>attacks are easily telegraphed and even easier to counter
Is Cloud the most gypped character in Smash Bros.?
>>321058296
Wow Mario has such a low skill ceiling, you should play him in tournaments!
I think you mean skill floor, which is true. Mario's the intro character. Why hate?
>>321058296
I play Mario because I've played him in every Smash since the first. If that gets you ass mangled, that's your problem you big tit.
>>321058960
Gitgud. Cloud is amazing.
>>321059807
nah, he's literally a worse ike
>go on For Glory binge
>play against tons of ZSS/Sonic/Pikachu/Mario/Ryu/Ness
>win
>play against Mewtwo
>get annihilated
help
>>321059898
>HURRDURRR HE HAZ A BIG SUWORD
He plays absolutely nothing like Ike, you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>321058960
>>321059898
become proficient
>>321059943
Who are you playing as that you lost against fucking Mewtwo?
>>321059959
he kinda does actually, Cloud is just rated highly because recency bias and gimmick that isn't even good
>>321060251
charizard
i never played against mewtwo until now; i didnt really play the game when he initially released and he was a no show online when it was apparent how weak he was
>>321060251
Maybe he played against someone legitimately good as Mewtwo in addition to not having much knowledge of Mewtwo and the matchup?
It happens.
>>321060350
>gimmick that isn't that good
>DownB that can instantly charge and cancel into anything
>Finishing Touch that covers ledges and KO's at 40%
>Projectile that cockblocks half the cast's approaches
>Almost instant Up-air that combos into itself
>Downtilt with stupid range and wacky hurtboxes
I can keep going on and on. Cloud's going to be lower high-tier upper middle tier no problem.
Well, technically Ganon is even more braindead. I main Ganon and oftentimes I get combo'd to death but if I just get one-three hits, I'm right back in the action. Like once I was way down, landed reverse u-air to d-air off a platform and took the stock just like that. Or once I landed a randy f-smash and then percents were equal agin when there was a decent difference
>play Palutena
>every fucking move sucks
Why does she have to suck?
>>321060539
No wonder, Charizard kinda sucks. Well, all I can say is that if you rush towards someone in 4Gloryhole, they will roll back 90% of the time so use that to get a free punish. Otherwise, just take advantage of the fact that Mewtwo is light as fuck
>>321060694
I suppose, actually good players are rare in For Glory
So my external hard drive crashed and I'm replaying through the challenges and events. So, these were ultimate bullshit the first time, but it's even worse when you have to do it again.
Like, I like to be challenged as much as the next time, but there's a point where it's just bullshit and most of SSBU's single player is clearly past it.
"Classic" mode is mostly eight player stuff, which is a fun mode to dick around in with friends but frustrating as shit single player, because you have almost no impact on what actually is happening until the field is down to four characters. Until then, enjoy getting combo'd
In event mode, CPUs deal like 2x damage and have like 10x the normal launch power. Why
Who designed the Kirby's Appetite mission? Was it never playtested? Is there one person, anywhere on the planet, that said, "I am having fun with this event and so will other people?"
Why are there so many challenges that are "Complete X with EVERY CHARACTER" on a roster of almost 60? That's not a challenge
Why can I get duplicate moves and costumes? Is there any reason to gate these in such a random way
>>321060831
Ganon's still too awful to be truly brain dead. Dude has like, no combo options at anything above, say, 40%.
That's the beauty of Ganon though, he does have a lot of pure strength.
>>321060940
Isn't her jab supposed to be pretty good actually? Also her Up-Smash is god-like and pretty much by far and away the only truly great move she has.
>>321060972
>I suppose, actually good players are rare in For Glory
True.
And playing as Charizard wouldn't help either, since he's low-tier as fuck.
>>321060940
Because you can't use customs online
>>321058296
>Those Dr Mario faggots always trying to finish you with up special
>Those Mario/ Dr faggots that down throw + up tilt all the time
I've rather play against diddy and sheik players, thank you
>>321058296
>Who requires more skill?
Mewtwo
I like to see anyone try to main this "house of cards" of a fighter.
The only thing that irks me about Mario is that none of his moves have any recovery. Mario can basically just do whatever he wants without fearing strong punishment.
>>321060940
>palutena is still awful
>sheik is still amazing
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED
JUST FIX THEM
this game lacks concrete direction so all of the modes are full throttle quantity-over-quality.
Sak wanted to jam as much shit into the game as possible with no time to sit and digest whether or not a certain feature is a good idea and no one to contest him
>>321058296
>Friend mains little Mac and Yoshi
>bust out Mario, cape and fludd to victory
>>321061457
>>321061457
>>321061457
meant to quote >>321061098
>>321058492
Though the power gap is a little annoying, I'm glad the top-tier character is one that requires skill at least. I still can't get too great of results with Shiek.
>>321058960
Cloud is the tits, his launch power is off the charts
>>321060940
>A fucking loading screen tip to tell people that she has the worst jab in the game
Get in line
>>321060972
>>321060694
It's because he got a major buff in the last patch. All his hitboxes actually align with the animations, and he got a speed buff, so he's viable now. He's still not GREAT, but people who pushed through him before when he was terrible just got a hundred times better now that he's not as terrible.
>>321059943
>play against Mewtwo
>get annihilated
You're kidding right, is this a ruse?
Mewtwo is a free win for anyone, I have never met a Mewtwo I couldn't beat in two seconds in a match.
>>321060940
best up-smash in the game.
>>321061409
Same with Yoshi. I don't enjoy even playing him because everything feels free and bad. I used to play Yoshi in Melee but Sm4sh Yoshi is so fucking stupid
>>321061682
>>321061821No, that's Cloud.
>mfw people still expect a Smash game to be balanced
Yeah but Dorf has magnets in his fist
>Warlock punch
>People charge right into and get BTFO'd
>EVERY TIME
I'm not sure what you idiots are thinking
>>321061963
Just make it fair
It's not fair that some characters are obviously better than others. They can patch the game, they can fix this.
>>321058296
>Main mario since 64.
>he's always ALWAYS been the Le mediocre intro character.
>He's finally good for once.
>People are ass ravaged.
Also
>People who intenationally pick low tier shitters.
>Complain when they have to work harder for everything.
Stupid fuckers. Low tier heroes are actually more annoying than top tier only fags. And I swear it's always ganondorf fags too, like saying they main dorf on /v/ will give them Internet cred.
>>321058296
>Who requires more skill?
A Real skill player picks a fighter that takes less skill to use.
Only a braindead would pick a bad fighter
>>321062076
Only 1 patch left bro. Soon your character will be shit, forever
I don't fully agree with this chart but it's good enough.
>>321061910
Did you make this? Holy fucking shit, fucking this.
I've been using Samus since 64 and have always loved playing as her, especially in Melee. I tried to stick it out in Smash 4 but couldn't do it b/c of how terrible she was, plus I didn't care for her zoning style of play, which was complemented by the early bias towards defense in the earlier stages of the game.
At least her alt colors are pretty damn good this time around, although even those should've just had been alternate costumes.
>>321062123
>People who intenationally pick low tier shitters.
You have been using low tier shitter for past 3 games
>>321058296
>playing ganondorf in smash 4
Why? Why not play melee where he's actually usable?
>>321061821
nah, Mario, Mac, G&W, RosaLuma all have a better UpSmash
>Play as cloud
>kill niggas at 50% all day
Hes insane
>>321062320
>Mid tier is now considered low tier
???????????
>It is fact that every Gnondorf player, all used to main C.Falcon
Don't lie you Ganon mains, I know you do.
It's time to go back to CaptainFalcon so you don't suck anymore.
>>321062269
this list is mostly correct but /v/ is too salty about top tiers to admit it.
wow, look at all these faggots talking about a shit game.
smash is shit, the competitive smash scene is cancer and I wish sakurai ACTUALLY died making this game.
Kill yourselves.
>>321062342
too bad you'll die at 50% too
>>321058296
Why not just play Melee
>>321062490
Only if you're a fool to chase off ledge
>>321062339
>Ganondorf
>usable in Melee
In what world?
>>321062545
because Melee is cancer and only people with severe autism play that shit game.
>>321062475
>>321062426
Mario should be c, at least.
Luigi should also be D, at least.
Toon link should be dropped down.
Mac should be dropped down.
And Megaman should go up a bit.
Otherwise, pretty good list.
>>321062269
>Sheik
>Peach
>more difficult to play than Ryu
Is that even true? I understand Pac-Man, as he really is rather technical actually, but fucking Sheik? I mean, Ryu has a lot of tech and a lot of things you need to know to play him well, including the knowledge that he actually has different normals depending on how hard you press the button.
Also as a ZSS main, I don't think she requires THAT much technical skill to play. There's some truth to the 'Zero-Skill Samus' complaint. Bump her down to B-level.
>>321058296
>Play as Oli
>Lose my last Pikmin for whatever reason
>They go for an unsafe approach and eat rocket fist
Every fucking time, like So Po.
>>321062269
Move Marth to C
Move Sheik and ZSS to B.
>>321062685
Also shouldn't DHD be higher considering every tool he has and the difficulty of, say, landing the can on anyone decent enough to avoid it?
Also I feel like Shulk should be bumped up to high B-tier. Villager too.
>>321062660
know what, you're okay. you can stay.
but, y'know, fuck you. still.
>>321058296
People who play mario act smug as fuck despite him being braindead as fuck and easy too play. But low tier fags are just as fucking cocky.
>>321062907
Also, Ness and Lucas both should be bumped considerably.
Their up-B alone makes their recovery that much harder to perform than pretty much anyone else's. With the right character, it's not that hard to gimp either. Not to mention actually connecting with it outside of recovery isn't easy to do either and requires pretty much the hardest of reads.There's also PK Flash/Thunder as well.
>>321059943
Could just be you played nothing but scrubs until you got to an actual good player.
>>321061682
>Using Zelda's jab
Just use Nayru's Love. It comes out fast, hits multiple times, lingers, and covers her back. Or at leadt just use her d-tilt, you can get quite a few hits withe that and combo it into an f-tilt or f-smash.
>>321062269
This list is a fucking trainwreck. What moron made this?
>>321063726
I wasnt talking about Zelda
>>321062269
why are Marth and Lucina that far apart in tiers?
I was under the impressions they were 99% identical.
>>321061903
The thing that bugs me about Yoshi is how instant and how far behind him is Nair hits. That shit is abuseable as all hell.
>>321063989
>>321063989
They are. Whoever made this list is completely retarded; especially if they think Marth has mixups or a strong combo game.
It's crazy that you guys can play this competitively. More power to you, but at some point I just switched to Project M and am so much happier with the balance. Also the fact that Samus isn't dumpster tier helps a lot.
>Play Smash 4
>Shiek and Zss can attack, recover, roll away and fire a projectile in the time it takes any other character to throw one punch
People really consider this competitive?
>>321063989
Tipper-Spacing playstyle versus hit anywhere you want.
I'd say Marth is more like a C though.
>>321064149
Yeah there is no way Marth's tipping buts him that fucking high. He's literally basically the same shit as Lucina or Roy but with a sweetspot at the end of his sword.
Speaking of, Robin is also way too low considering everything you need to worry about when playing as him too.
>>321064117
people are trying to make e-sports out of every shit-tier game, and literally every fucking iteration is its own individual cancer, so, yeah, of course.
>>321064117
>ignoring the fact that said single punch is packing twice (or more) the power of both the projectile and the initial attack
>play Falco
>got nothing to really complain about, he's an all around decent and fun character to play as
>tfw only play this elf faggot now
How come almost nobody here plays Link?
He's really fun to play once you realize how amazing his sword and bombs are. Easily my favorite sword character.
>>321064896
He was my main before Palutena.
Fuck people who assume he's only a projectile spammer.
>>321064117
>Play Melee
>Fox and Shiek can attack, recover, roll away and fire a projectile in the time it takes any other character to throw one punch
People really consider this competitive?
>>321062269
>Less combo options = easier to play at high level
Ridiculous, Ganondorf is a fucking nightmare to play at high level because he has absolutely no way to catch the faster characters. Ditto for most other heavies.
>>321058960
>F-Smash that kills uncharged all of the cast at <100%
>Finishing touch kills all the cast at ~65%
>Climhazzard suicide kills
>Limit mechanic great for faking people out
>Nair that rivals Shulk's
>Great speed relative to power
>Relatively decent follow-up potential
Cloud is A-tier, easily. Top of B-tier at a push.
>>321065168
Right?
When your playstyle is dictated more on hard reads, your character is probably more skill-based than that image lets on.
I get that the other characters might have more tech, but it's also kind of looking over the fact that you need to play some serious mind games as the Dorf.
>>321060940
Because customs were so poorly implemented.
Goddamnit I wish customs were tourney legal.
>>321064962
I can't enjoy playing Palutena anymore. I don't really like playing characters that revolve around down throws and she's kind of meh outside of her aerials.
If you have any link tips I'd appreciate it. It's really rare for me to come across another Link (that has a brain) so I don't have much to go off of.
>>321064981
It's competitive when you just pretend the other characters don't exist I guess
>>321064896
His tilts are godlike to be honest, I'm just shit with him otherwise I would play him a lot more.
Cloud/Ryu/Lucas are my go to guys and it almost makes me feel like Sm4sh is p2w even though I know they all have major flaws. That grab buff for Lucas made him so much more viable in the neutral though. They halved his recovery frames.
Is it just me having trouble with Cloud? Every other DLC character had their flaws which were easy to notice shortly after release, but Cloud just seems harder to fight.
>>321065820
Treat him like Mac. He's very gimpable due to the lack of Horizontal movement with his recovery.Seriously, Fuck Bowsers and Charizards edgeguarding with Flamethrower.
>>321065658
I don't have very much, I dropped him as soon as Palutena was announced.
He's just sorta about controlling where your enemy is with the boomerang and bombs. Other than that you have to come up with it yourself
>>321065561
>Make custom movesets separate from custom stats (option at the top left is now customisation on/off/movesets only)
>Make moveset selectable at character select screen by clicking an option underneath your portrait
>You can't get duplicate custom moves any more
>Custom moves are tourney legal
There, I fixed Smash 4.
>>321065998
>mode/option to use customs online on With Anyone mode
There.
Anyone who says Cloud is bad is probably a massive shitter
He's already won a few streamed tournaments and he's been out for a week.
>>321063349
Their Up-B becomes easy as fuck for recovering once you learn it. It takes only about an hour's worth of playing them to git gud at it. Also with Lucas, you could always just use tether, which is pretty much what I use 80% of the time. I also hope you're not implying using PK thunder for juggling isn't hard.
They're fine with where they're at for the most part.
>That cloud
>aerial combos
>that sword dancing is broken
>I just like his grab attacks
I was getting lots of ko's
>>321066190I've been maining Ness since the N64 days and have played as him in 4 since shortly after its release and I still have a lot of trouble with it.
>I also hope you're not implying using PK thunder for juggling isn't hard.
I was referring more to PK Thunder 2.
>>321065970
Cloud just has so many options and disjointed moves though. There has been times were moves missed because Cloud leans back to execute some of his moves.
>>321065820
I just play samus and poop out a morph bomb on the ledge (or off the ledge).
Works 90% of the time on any character with a shit recovery.
>tfw been buffed practically every patch
Feels good. Started off as shit and we viable now.
Thoughts?
>>321066613
You just know Samus likes it.
>>321062269
Peach I would agree with, considering Turnip play, aerials and floating.
Not so sure about Sheik as there's only one or two combos to be mastered.
I'd bump up DHD to A tier in terms of difficulty because of projectile management, particularly relating to the gunmen.
Robin definitely needs to be higher in terms of Tome and Levin management, especially considering how limited some moves are. (Nosferatu only having 2 uses for example.)
Ryu and Pac I agree with, due to combos, inputs and cancelling in Ryu's case, and the micromanagement in Pac's (Trampolines, fruit and Hydrant)
Cloud would presumably slot into A-tier or B-tier due to the use of Climhazzard for recovery and such, meaning that some thought would have to be taken with his moveset usage in relation to his specials and their combo follow up to prevent him being fucked over easily.
Other than that, I suppose the chart makes sense in terms of placement, although the tier descriptions are just bullshit.
>>321066683
I think he's good enough to be high but for some reason nobody plays him.
>>321066683
Never bought him.
I'm fine with just 5 Fire Emblems.
>>321066376
He has great aerial game, but if you can play keep away well, then he should be relatively easy to kill.
Who are you playing?
>>321066796
>Peach I would agree with, considering Turnip play, aerials and floating.
Oh shit, that's a good point and something that I forgot about.
You are spot on btw.
>>321066683
Best Marth, second favourite FE, may be bumped down to third with the addition of Corn.
Robin > Roy > Ike > Marth > Hot garbage > Lucina
No one thinks Little mac has combos
and everyone views him as a shit character
0%
D-tilt F-tilt roll forward Reverse F-tilt
25%
D-tilt Side B U-tilt Up B
50%
Jab Jab D-tilt step U-smash
80%
Jab Jab D-tilt F-air to roll cancel grab pummel b-throw
100%
Jab Jab Up B
>>321066796
>Nosferatsu only having 2 uses for example
what? I'm pretty sure it's 5, or something higher than 2. You were better off mentioning how long it takes for that book in particular to recover after it's discarded.
>>321066683
Faggot who made Corrin much more hated than he could've been. Doesn't deserve to have a forward smash with that much range. Though, I would admit it would've been great if he became top tier and was used frequently in tournament play.
>>321058960
>Smash has Shimomura, Ito, and Mistuda as composers
>No FF remixes from them
JUST
>>321066951
Worst part is: I'm a shit player still.
>>321067186
I meant 4 uses.
>>321067073
For a lot of these, wouldn't it be simpler to just spam, 'd-tilt, d-tilt, d-tilt' or 'u-tilt, u-tilt, u-tilt'?
>>321067073
I switch "mains" a lot but I always go back to mac.
If the next game doesn't have him I'm not playing it. I don't care who they add. He's just too fun to play.
I don't understand why more people don't play him.
>>321067186
4 uses and 40 seconds to recover. Pretty bad, though I usually don't use it that often in matches anyway. Tome and sword management is more difficult I'd say.
>>321067305
>Not even pre-existing remixes from them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjS689rvbOw
I'm still mad.
>>321058940
What's up with /v/ having so many Ganon players anyway? Is it just because they're the loudest?
>>321067415
Nosferatu is one of Robin's better moves, especially since there's multiple ways to guarantee one.
>>321067502
I'm certain they're just the most vocal. Just go to one of those smash mains threads and you'll see that there really aren't that many ganon mains around.
Post and rate mains.
My main is currently Diddy with Pit on the side. Charizard and Meta are my secondaries
>>321067679
>tfw can't decide on a secondary so I have several
>>321066892
I like to switch around a lot of characters, but I guess Falco, Alph, DK, and Bowser
Why did they have to give one character SO MANY meteor smashes?
>>321067829
wrong image?
>>321067782
Bowser's standard special is your best friend with edgeguarding, just aim down and fire away.
Go for meteors with DK and Falco, although Falco's fair would also be fantastic to keep him away if you can land it.
Use pikmin to push him away, I recommend Purples being thrown into the air at him, or use Alph's relatively fast aerials if you're close enough, but watch for his Nair's range.
>>321067829
That aint DK
>>321068141
>not Ganondorf
>>321068424
Well Ganon has 2 meteor smash iirc (Dair and down b), DK has 4 (Down b in the air, Fair, Side b in the air, Dair)
>>321068528
Can't u-air meteor too if it hits just as Ganondorf is finishing the animation?
>>321067829
You mean Cloud?
>>321058960
>>stage kinda sucks
fuck your shit taste
>>321068692
Midgar is the most fun stage in terms of semi-comp play.
Summons make things interesting, but aren't the sodding Yellow Devil, and the stage layout is just Battlefield.
>>321068054
Alright thanks, I guess I'll try that. I play aggressively and I guess Cloud players take advantage of that.
>>321068054
>Bowser's standard special is your best friend with edgeguarding, just aim down and fire away.
That just stops their horizontal recovery and fall, and gives them the ability to up+B again, out of reach and onto the stage.
>>321068648
No man, that's just a gimp, not meteor smash
>Play as Cloud, and knock someone off the stage.
>They stay back, expecting me to try and air gimp them with "shitty recovery easily gimmable" Cloud.
>Stand there charging limit as they return to the stage.
>They stop hanging off the ledge and come to me when they see me charging.
>Fight them, and constant grab and throw cause they are scared of the finishing touch, and decided to spam shield against anything I do.
>Finally walk up.
>They hold shield in fear, prefering to let me throw them
>Down throw
>Finishing Touch just before they fly too far away.
>When they come back, they run off the stage and quit.
Its funny how scared players get of Cloud when they see him with limit and they are at 60% or more.
>>321068996
It does, but the fire breath interrupts climhazzard any ways, and unless they have a limit, they won't be able to move horizontally enough to get away from it.
>>321058296
Yeah, he's annoying. He's also the secret S tier, above Shiek.
>>321067679
sheik is the one i use for serious matches, others are mostly when i want to have fun.
>>321067073
I hate Little Mac
I don't have a problem with any other fighter, other then Little Mac
>That quick high damage
>fast speeds
>fucking armor shield
Maybe because I main a slow fighter, I have a harder time with Mac, but god damn he's an annoying little fuck/
>>321069296
>Little Mac
Who does Mac have a hard time fighting with?
Maybe Mewtwo is a good counter
>>321069296
>not throwing him off the edge and ending him
there fixed ur match up senpai
>>321064896
He's absolutely fantastic anon, I main him too. He actually has amazing options and setups, especially with the rang
>>321069476
you must fight a lot of shit macs
grabbing a good one isn't that easy
>>321069472
Sheik counters mac really badly.
probably an 8-2 mu
>grab opponent at the edge at 170%
>back-throw off stage
>doesn't kill
For christ's sake he uses a huge ass mallet that's the same size as half the cast.
>>321069472
Mewtwo already has a hard time staying alive and I doubt that would be be any easier against Mac who has kill moves out the ass. Also his moves are really slow so you'll get rekt if you don't space them right. Of course this is just me guessing, so maybe it isn't so.
>>321069476
>not throwing him off the edge and ending him
The fighter I main is too slow, to get the edge on time to do that, and it's grabs are awful
>>321069472
>Maybe Mewtwo is a good counter
I main Mewtwo, and try that with a Little Mac.
Mewtwo reacts too slow to grab Little Mac.
>>321069756
All heavy fighters have weak throws, I never understood that
>>321069776
You hit it on the nail
Just had a match with Little Mac, that beat my shit in, before I learn how to counter him.
Couldn't do a thing to that little shit, he was way to fast, and Mewtwo moves way too slow to land a hit.
>>321069472
>Who does Mac have a hard time fighting with?
Like most of the cast, or at least anyone B-tier and above.
It's super easy to gimp Little Mac.
I should know, I'm a LM main. You basically have to be extra careful with LM.
>>321062269
>Sonic
>B
Low to mid A just on speed game and aerial distance alone. A Sonic player who can balance evasion and go hard in offense is very dangerous. Lamers don't even know.
>Marth
>B
>Lucina
>E
>Roy
>C
List is beyond retarded.
>>321069756
his fthrow kills earlier than his backthrow
>>321058960
Yesterday on FG I was playing this Cloud with so much honor
He 0 to deathed me in a ditto with side throw into Fair into Climhazzard suicide. Didn'e even know that shit was possible beforehand
>>321058940
there's nothing wrong with being a Ganigga main unless you try too hard. Ganon is easily the heavy with the most style
How the fuck do I play Marth in Smash 4? His range is so bad
Why would you guys even bother playing this shit game anymore after the recent patch? There's literally no reason to try and get better unless you're sheik or ZSS.
Most disappointing patch ever, just quit the game anons. Your for glory wins don't mean shit.
>>321071249
>for glory
play anthers ladder if you want actual skilled players
>>321071168
You don't. Just keep praying for actual good buffs to come by.;-;
>>321060539
Huh
I was just playing mewtwo around when you posted that and beat a charizard. What color was the mewtwo?
>Crowd starts cheering for Mario even though I'm winning
>>321071395
> accept a challenge from a yellow connection
> it lags like shit, I ask them to cancel
> "It wasn't even lagging at all bro"
> They report as a win, mods give them the free win
> Get banned for saying the mod is an idiot
Never again.
>>321062342
Ganonfags are the fucking worst, holy shit.
>>321065658
Link main 4 life here
The goal with Link is to keep opponents where you want them, which is within range of your sword. Almost all of Link's sword attacks can kill, and it has more reach than a lot of characters.
I barrage opponents in projectiles to throw off their approach, then either hit them when they are off beat or move in with my own approach. Boomerang is Link's best move, as it comes out super fast and can hit almost anything in front of him.
The sweetspot is about a character's width between you and the opponent. Farther than that and you're just spamming, too close and most other character's A moves are faster than Link's and you'll die
>>321071168
get in close range where you can poke them perfectly.
rely on your walk a lot, it's super good with good.
also in air rely on Nair, on the ground, F-tilt, d-tilt and jab.
>>321061317
I thought D-Throw into U-Tilt didn't work with Doc
>>321069908
Dorf's throws at least put some fucking damage in
his f-throw does 13%
>>321065658
AIGHT BRO HERE'S THE THING ABOUT LINK.
>fastfall nair
That's it. Shit's the most OP thing on earth. Comes out instantly, has no land lag, and for a dinky little kick it has a fuckton of priority, so you should be able to interrupt anything they try to do, or at least parry it. It's the move that makes link a fucking ninja. Use it as an approach. Combo out of it into anything. Usually there's enough time to dodge away if they block it, but you still gotta be smart with your engages.
>grab game/throws weakened (but the chaingrab was bullshit that obviously needed to go)
>godlike bair and save-from-combos dair completely replaced
>new fair is acceptable but oddly low damage
>no waddle dee shenanigans
>f-tilt range notably lowered
>voice even weirder
im glad his up-smash is worth using now and new d-tilt is baller, but i miss a lot of old Dedede's qualities
>>321074884
>>321074884
>>321074884
>>321074884
"old" referring to Brawl Dedede
>>321061330
Didn't Mewtwo get some hitbox fixes and less recovery frames?
>>321061098
>>321061546
I agree. Brawl felt a lot more cohesive overall.
>Cloud DLC
>Just the character, two music tracks, the stage and two trophies.
>No Trophies of Tifa, Aeris, Barret or Vincent.
>No Electric De Chocobo or J.E.N.O.V.A
>Meanwhile Bayonetta gets a fuckton of content for the same price.
>>321074884
>i miss a lot of old Dedede's qualities
Throwing Waddle Dee and Waddle Doo were fun as hell, and good for acting like meat shields.
DDD new side b is good, but the old one didn't kill you.
>>321075830
Maybe deep down they're still bitter that Sony + Square gave them the finger in the PS1 era.
Though really, as much as nips hold grudges, you'd think they'd have buried that hatchet long ago, considering how strong Squeenix's presence is on their handhelds.
>>321075436
>Didn't Mewtwo get some hitbox fixes and less recovery frames?
Been trying out Mewtwo, all they did was buff his up and down air moves.
Hitboxes are still fuck'd
Mewtwo's grab range is god awful, you have to be on top of them to get it to work. while Ness can grab you a mile a way.
>>321075830
spitballing because i dont know anything, but maybe Square's throwing their weight around more with licensing/fees/red tape since Final Fantasy is such a megaton brand compared to Bayonetta. It's not exactly clamoring for exposure compared to the latter; when platinum got the offer for bayonetta in smash i imagine they were like "do whatever the fuck you want", and maybe the same for Mega Man
>>321076197
He also went from being the 21st fastest character in the game to the 12th
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Mewtwo_%28SSB4%29#Update_history
>Has to get 1 grab to win
cloud seems pretty good to me. good combo potential but it depends on the instant landing cancel tech to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRuW0a7Zfw
>>321076471
Since my main is garbage and never gets buffed, I've actually been considering picking up King Koopa after his latest adjustments.
>>321076471
his pivot grab is ridiculous
>>321076197
>Up-Tilt reaches all away the round him, actually matching the animation
>grab range increased
>down smash more damage; hitbox also hits below for potential edgeguarding
>weight 72 -> 82
give these to mewtwo please
>>321058492
>>321061563
Sheik only requires skill at a national level, she's easy as fuck otherwise. Just tinder combo people all day then down throw to the 50-50 it's fucking easy, also everything combos into bouncing fish and your projectile is godlike.
>>321061457
Sounds like current TF2.
>>321076471
>Getting to 90%+ against a Bowser player
Literally get good.
>>321076471
he might have the best throw->attack chain in the game, possibly better than diddy's original grab combo namesake
they clearly threw their hands up in the air and said "fuck it" when trying to make bowser better, so they gave him the bandaid grab combo and called it
i was hoping they'd increase his rewards out of a grab, but not to this extent (and lower his aerial landing-recovery frames but this is okay too i guess).
>>321061910
Roy didn't get any buffs.
>>321058296
Just pick Ryu.
Is Cloud better than Shulk?
>tfw your main is someone who should clearly be nerffed but is always spared
Based Sakurai
>>321060940
Nair and Fair are good as fuck Uair kills so that's decent. Smashes are slow but strong as they should be. Her regular special combination is ass (because she's supposed to be used with customs) and her tilts suck dick but that's about it.
>>321076471
What's so good about his grab?
>>321076638
>down smash more damage
I forgot Mewtwo even had a D-Smash
What is it even good for? What can it hit?
>Does less damage then side Smash
>Doesn't kill early
>Can't edge guard with it
>Can't Punish rolls
>Has a long endlag for no reason
The move looks awful, why would Mewtwo point to the ground in front of him?
It looks more like a taunt then a real move.
Why couldn't they just gave Mewtwo Blizzard for a D-Smash?
Would have cover his ass, and look cool.
No one in Smash has ice powers anymore.
>>321058296
>pretending smash is a skillful fighting game
lel
>>321077415
the dude probably balances for "casual vs casual" match in mind, and sheik's + rosaluma's more nuanced gameplay is harder for a casual player to grasp and take advantage of/exploit
it's probably why samus was fucking assassinated since anyone can mash missiles and charge shots but lesser players struggle to fight it
>>321062269
Move Sheik down a few spaces (def easier than Ryu), move Mega Man up a lot, move Zelda up above Lucario, move Shulk above Samus and move Robin up above Samus.
>>321077383
Nobut Corrin will be
>>321062269
Mega Man needs to be way higher, he is very hard to play optimally at a high level. This list has a ton of other issues as well.
>>321077610
>Can't punish rolls
agreed, this is the big one
he's a large cat-ape who literally weighs like a feather, so he needs all the coverage he can get and a d-smash that doesn't cover both sides blows (though a turned f-tilt is fucking quick)
blizzard as a mewtwo move would be great. pure aesthetic, but i was hoping Swift's stars would be his F-throw animation instead of mini shadow balls
>>321077879delicious f smash tippers will be mine
>>321077501
Bowser has a hoohaa now.
>>321065785
>Ryu
>Major flaws
Like what? Nigga you just need to git gud.
>Sheik
>Difficult to use
Yeah, using tilts and the same grab combo over and over and then fishing for an up air, up smash or up-B sure is difficult.
In nationals, you go against the other guy's ability to react and his ability to read. Execution is never, EVER a problem in a piss easy game like Smash 4. Your fucking Melee shitposting memes made you forget that despite his dominance, Fox is a top tier in Melee that requires for you to break your fucking hands in order to bring out the "top tier" aspect of him. You can't just pick him because he's good and win, like you can with Smash 4.
An experienced Ike player can and WILL lose to a week-old Sheik just because she has absurd frame data. You can't say the same can happen in Melee. The fact that you can beat shit players with Pichu is enough proof.
Smash 4 is just garbage competitively, though I admit it's fucking amazing for teams just because it removes the campy, shieldgrabby aspect of it and tiers don't matter that much in teams since teams cover their weaknesses pretty well.
>>321077501
He can literally grab you across half the stage, do huge combo damage, and same combo throw can kill you super easy aswell.
He is literally worse then luigi.
>>321078929
They destroyed all the fun in teams last patch. So sm4sh is tr4sh for that aswell.
>>321066683
I think he's better than Ike, but no one's playing him for some reason. The only thing Ike does better than him is recovery. He could be B tier easily.
>>321067372
>>321067372
Found the low tier hero. I'm surprised Ganon's not on their and Samus isn't higher.
>>321066683
Project M did it better.
>>321078929
>she has absurd frame data
i knew she was real quick, but i thought people were exaggerating a bit until i looked at her mapped-out frame data myself
how is this okay? in a hypothetical world where smash is being balanced only for FFA, it's not like shes weaker there either.
>though I admit it's fucking amazing for teams
this, the varied kits and oddly enough, the lessened hitstun from melee lend itself better to multiplayer for me, but the game suffers enormously 1v1
>>321079264
I don't even play most of the characters on that image anymore. Most of that is from last year and early this year.
I actually started playing samus and link recently.
>>321077383
he's better.
I main shulk and they always give me a very hard time.
I've won most games against them though just because they're noob.
>>321061520
I have a friend who uses a Mac and another who mains Yoshi. I should do this once I get my system repaired.
>main these two
>have wanted to main ness in 64 and lucas in brawl but couldn't because they're garbage so just kept them as secondaries.
>always hear people complain about them now that ness is good and lucas is pretty good
It's beautiful, really brings a tear to my eye.
Anyone like fucking around with Mii fighters? I recently made a Mitsurugi Swordfighter, he's pretty fun.
>>321058296
Mario mains used to be my bane as a Ness main. Ever since I picked up Cloud, Mario mains have been a joke.
>>321077610
Side-B combos into Downsmash fairly well.
>we'll never have a Tronondorf palette in Smash
At least you guys can actually play.
I literally have the fastest internet I can get in my area. Smash and splatoon are so frustrating to play because of the lag I have. I can't move or do anything in smash because it happens so much later after I press the button.
And I don't know how many instant deaths I've had in splatoon.
It's only in those two games, and I can't figure out why. My connection is great in PC games and Mario Kart 8, but in smash and splatoon it's awful. It's a wired connection, so it can't be that the wifi is messing it up.
>>321080358
Shame too, it'd be a nice nod to TP and Zant
>>321080540
damn, where y'all live?
So is it my imagination or is Jiggs literally worse than in Brawl. Her frame data is worse, her jab lock -> Rest is gone, her gimps are worse, and rollout was made even more useless.
Some people get annoyed because all Puff players do is float around and Fair, but that's pretty much the only tool she has.
>>321080001
>Soul Calibur will never be repped in Smash
feels bad man
this thread is missing somethingwebms
>>321080358
>We will never get Hyrule Warriors Ganondorf with duel sword gameplay
But whatever he'll just be another falcon clone by 2020 19 years later 4 games in a row.
>>321080540
That's because these games use peer-to-peer connections which fucking devour your bandwidth. I find that if you have any other shit on your wifi/network that it'll be better to disconnect them for a more solid connection. Splatoon is so goddamn laggy for me that I gave up on playing it after spending forever setting up a DMZ just to play a fucking Nintendo game.
>wombo combo
>this is the name of a technique in nintendrones fighting game
Fucming man children
>>321080714
Saw this same webm in the smash general yesterday, there's nothing special about it stop posting it.
>>321080680
Yeah, the new ledge mechanics fucked Jiggs over really hard. Can't gimp no one unless their recovery is shit
>>321080969
well aren't you a queer
>>321080714
Webms are nice and all but I'm sure everyone has already seen the generic "look I got a spike!" and "look how easy scrubby Macs are to beat" webms. If it isn't those, then it's someone landing a sick combo on some kid who's never heard of DI or teching.
>>321080540
someone's probably downloading or streaming something in your house and causing your ping to skyrocket
you can play these games just fine even with 5Mbps if your ping is good
type "ping google.com -t" in cmd without quotes and see if your ping randomly skyrockets or is constantly high
>playing anyone other than S - A+ tier
>>321080969
None of the Sm4sh webms are special, I don't know why people insist on posting them.
>10-20 seconds of absolutely nothing followed by flowchart spike or roll read
>>321081085
gives something to laugh at at least
>>321062413
nah man i've been a solo ganon main since 64
>>321062076
Funny think, Sakurai said that he kinda likes unbalanced characters.
>>321081389
He's gone on record a couple times mentioning "If everything was completely fair, it wouldn't be fun"
>>321081083
Wow an easy, generic spike, bravo!
>>321081540
But it shouldn't be to point some characters have no chance at all
I mean bad matchups are okay but come on, look at Jigglypuff. Literally nothing going for them.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LjCfoYL8gjA
>>321081120
>not playing Mega Man
>play Wii Fit Trainer
>use Up Smash
>doesn't hit a fucking thing
I don't know why I keep forgetting how shitty that Up Smash is. Guess that's why she's a tertiary.
>>321081558
like and subscribe
>>321081328
>ganon main
>since 64
Nice try buddy, accept gannon is garbage in every game, even melee.
>>321080686
Agreed, I was hoping Namco would surprise us with Yoshimitsu or some shit.
But yeah Smash x SC would've been great
>likely beautiful stage with great music
>press a button at the beginning of battle and your character says something before GO
>'Soul Charge' functions as Limit Break for smashes, gives them shieldbreak capability and more %
>>321076471
Well it sorta makes more sense with him than other throw-to-death fighters since his frame data is ass and has trouble approaching.
>>321065970
Mac has a horizontal recovery atleast.
Cloud needs to be at the perfect distance because magnetic ledge doesn't work for him. He's muh more easier to gimp than even Mac or Doc.
He's still the best Sword fighter in the game that isn't Shulk or Meta Knight
How do I megaman?
>>321077052
Nice confirm Trela. Thanks for all the low tilts into dp. Thanks for the sick roll punishes.
