Is this accurate? Smashfags/Casuals/SF4/SFV fags stay out.
>>321040747
>Smash
>"fighter"
What's with the triangle fetish?
>>321040873
Christianity.
>>321040859
Yeah. Smash isn't a fighter. There's not a single smash game mentioned lmao
>>321040747
Name a single thing any of those do mechanically better than Virtua Fighter 2.
>>321040747
>turd strike
>not BB
>project meme
LMAO
>>321040972
Be fun
>>321041003
>BB
>Good
Opinion discarded
>>321041080
this tbf
>>321041080
>mechanically
>>321041197
>doesn't have a fun mechanic
Confirmed shit
>Everyone moved onto the shittier SF4/SFV
>Everyone moved onto the shittier Xrd
>Everyone moved onto the shittier Tr4sh, to the point of the original game's development being cease and desisted.
Is this the fate of all good fighting games?
>>321041280
>needs gimmicks in fighters
you're what's wrong with gaming
>>321041314
that constant step forward?
I would hope so
but fighting games will die soon
Explain, in detail, exactly why you believe these three games are the best fighting games in terms of competitive value.
The result should be an essay, if you've done it right.
>>321041638
third strike because memes
gg r because it's objectively the best guilty gear game and everyone knows gg is the most based anime fighter
project m because it's the only good smash game and that's a feat on its own
>3s
Also
>smash
>fighting game
>>321041731
F
See me after class.
>mfw 3rd Strike was the last great arcade fighter
>>321041314
Turd Strike was never good, no matter what those people who pretend that they played it say.
Don't know about the rest since Smash isn't even a fighting game and anime fighters never interested me.
>>321041314
3S isn't objectively better than IV or V
>>321041775
KOF 2002 and Tekken Tag Tournament came out after 3S, my casual friend
>>321041797
>thinks street fighter isn't an anime fighter
>nostalgiafags who can't handle a game changing and progressing thinking this is the holy fucking trinity of competitive fighters
smash is a party game by the way
I'm sorry none of you fucking faggots can have the balls to suck it up and move on. But by all means continue to cling to your old outdated versions of games in hopes you'll be able to play them competitively, oh wait.
Only third strike I can see as being remotely sensible. But only because it feels different than 4 and 5. Play yatagarasu, or even UNIEL or other new fighters if you want something closer to it.
>>321042137
>smash bros is a fighting game
>street fighter is an anime fighter
This thread is garbage.
>>321042216
Not that there's anything wrong with SF being an anime fighter, but it is.
>>321042201
>UNIEL
>close to 3S
>>321042201
Not that I disagree with you per se but I think it's a little silly to imply that an older fighting game is inferior merely because it's older and a newer entry in the series has been released.
The only people who dickride 3S are the ones who never played it at a competitive level. For all of 4's problems it at least didn't get worse and more limited the higher you got.
Xrd has some really stupid shit though. YRC, blitz shield, and danger time are fucking awful.
>>321042958
danger time is so stupid, I love it
>>321042958
I'm not sure I understand his comparison to Green Eggs and Ham.
>>321043051
Honestly Blazblue is the more solid game now but no one here will ever admit to it because nostalgia for XX and because CT and CS were pretty terrible.
>>321043175
Children's books are the simplest and most shallow form of literature. 3S's excuse for mind games is this to fighting games.
>>321040747
3s is booty.
GG is kusoge
Smash is not fightan.
>>321043349
>>321042216
>>321042201
>>321041746
>>321040965
>>321040859
>Project M
>A smash game.
>Not a fighter
lol this ain't memelee you losers
>>321043307
Ah. I was under the impression it had something to do specifically with that book.
>>321043525
I guess it's a good analogy for 3S "players" too. The ones who refuse to step out of their comfort zone and admit that trying new things isn't always the end of the world.
Project M is dead so may as well change to melee
>>321043679
So is 3s might as well change to V
Third Strike
KoF XIII
Melee
Come at me faggot
>>321042347
bruh
>>321043761
>horrible mechanics like parry, no character variety
>short hop to ten minute HD combo the game
>shitting in trash cans
>>321040859
/thread
>>321040747
>Turd strike
even Kof 98 is more competitive and widely played in the world
>>321043664
Now THAT'S an analogy. I feel like he could have used something more on-point to describe the role of parrying in 2D fighting, though honestly I can't think of a book that would really fit the comparison.
>>321040859
Let them think they're a fighting game. If it means more fuckable soccer moms showing up at tournaments I'm willing to deal with being in the same building as their screaming brats.
>>321041951
>TEKKEN
>TEKKEN
>TEKKEN
u make me sick
>>321043469
It literally is though.
>>321042347
>>321042137
>I literally don't know what an anime fighter is
please just stop you fucking retard. Anime fighter comes directly from the type of games directly targeted towards the anime community which started at anime conventions.
>>321044381
but why though
>>321042958
It's sad that SFV is heading towards this direction. Why they hired a GG player to help work on the battle direction is beyond me. A lot of people are really hating the game because everything is stubby and fireballs are shit.
>>321043679
It is as dead as melee is development wise.
the only reason it's not as big as melee at the moment is because it had to be banned from twitch because nintendies and gimr are too scared it would overshadow tr4sh which it absolutely would have.
These are the 3 most balanced fighting games out there that no one will ever play, but are still amazing regardless.
1 - Breakers Revenge (probably the most accessible and fun old-school fighter in history)
2 - King of fighters 98 (more balanced than 2k2)
3 - Street fighter Alpha 2 (no parries, no V-Ism)
Honorable mentions (not quite there, but close enough and still great):
Akatsuki blitzkampf
Melty blood Actress again (before archetype earth came and ruined EVERYTHING)
Arcana heart 2
>>321044975
now this guy gets it.
ill never understand all the SFIV hate. most people who hate on it don't have any good reason to beyond the typical "muh comeback mechanics, muh tight links, muh focus attack"
>>321044659
tekken is gay
>>321045139
SFIV has issues but it's still probably one of the most balanced and competitive fighting games ever created.
>inb4 Elena
>inb4 focus
>inb4 whatever hot new meme
I said it has issues you fuckers.
The only fighting game that matters is Tekken
honestly if there's a holy trinity of fighting games it's SF, a Tekken and KoF. Anime and Smash fags need not apply
>>321045138
Alpha 2 still has custom combos you jabrony
>>321045342
>it's the most balanced game
>but have to not mention the reason why it's not balanced
this is how you sound
>>321045245
You're gay!
>>321045139
Because there is literally no point in 1-f links being required for basic shit like linking a weak normal to another normal, specially when ANY OTHER FIGHTING GAME (including OTHER STREET FIGHTER GAMES) didn't need it.
>>321045523
SF4's top tiers are significantly closer to the rest of the cast than 3S, ST, or Alpha 3.
>>321045523
>One of the most balanced
>Implying most balanced = perfectly balanced
>>321040859
this, a thousand times this
>>321045139
But those are some solid reasons to dislike the game. You cant just disregard them for no given reason
>>321045587
Get good, pick up a different character, or keep crying. Those are your options.
>>321043469
>>321044474
He's right, the game is more about set play for the most part
>>321045715
how about playing literally any other fighting game?
>>321045360
>The only 3d fighting game that matters is Tekken*
Fixd
>>321045787
Keep crying it is then.
>>321045715
This is not a discussion about becoming good in SF4, its about how bad 1-F links are and how they add nothing to the game
you can remove 1-f links from SF4 and the game will play literally the same.
>>321044981
>because nintendies and gimr are too scared it would overshadow tr4sh
At least things worked out in the end.
>>321046245
Capcom didn't add one frame links intentionally to make people like you cry. They're a natural extension of frame data.
How would you take out Vega's one frame links? Add hitstun or shorten the recovery of his crouch lp? Congratulations, you just gave a character with fantastic walkspeed and a kara throw an even easier time setting up tick grabs. Shorten the startup time for his crouch mp? One of his best pokes is now 3 frames. Great job, genius. Add an input buffer? Fantastic, the one thing sf4 needs is even more wiggle room for inventing option selects.
>pm instead of melee
>>321046609
You would do what SF5 is doing and add a +2f input buffer.
>>321047321
People are already coming up with some fucked up OSes for that.
>>321046609
because the whole point of 1-f links is that there is only a 1 frame window where you must press the button in order for the move to come out, it has nothing to do with the frame data of the move itself.
as an example, Sakura can do
crouching low kick > standing weak kick > special move
in any street fighter, alpha, CvS, whatever, you just tap it and it comes out, hell, its not even much of a viable combo, there are better options out there, the most typical being something like standing weak punch into lower middle kick.
HOWEVER, SF4 is the ONLY ONE where for whoever knows what reason, you must TIME every button press under an exact frame time in order for the this sakura "link" to come out, (you cant tap) for no reason whatsoever, otherwise it wont link. basically just forcing you to go to practice mode and time it "right"
this is just an example.
it has NOTHING to do with startup
it has NOTHING to do with hitstun
it has NOTHING to do with recovery
its just INPUT time.
hence why SFV DOESNT HAVE THEM.
>>321044553
It's just another word for "I don't like this game because it looks too Japanese."
>>321047321
In a game like SF4 with rampant OS's everywhere this would be a fucking disaster. The only reason it works in SF5 is because they redid how to game takes inputs. That's why there's no crouch teching, no plinking, and whatever os's Desk found are going to be removed by release.
>>321047418
The OS' have nothing to do with the input buffer. As long as motions exist, there will be option selects
>>321047484
Whatever you say Anime Justice Warrior
>>321047493
There's a Vega one where you plink the lp/hp to get a different claw on his qcb after a jab.
>>321047428
Are you retarded? Links are your window between the recovery of your attack and the end of hitstun it causes for your opponent. A one frame link means that your attack recovers in as many frames quicker than your opponent's hitstun as the startup of the attack you're linking into.
>>321047492
Give an example of how an input buffer would create new OS's
Even as a person that plays Project M competitively I don't considering it a fighting game. I consider it a mix of sumo wrestling and king of the hill, it's like it is a whole new genre.
>>321047923
Why does fighting game necessarily have to mean 1v1 with a healthbar?
>>321048059
>why should a genre be defined by its core aspects and mechanics?
>>321047923
>sumo wrestling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD9eVVG5_XU
>>321047639
I will have to explain it to you in shapes so you understand me
This is the frames required for a normal to link other normal in any fighting game (one frame)
>>>Recovery>>>> link <<<<<Hitstun<<<<
This is the frames required for SF4 normals to link (one frame)
>>>Recovery>>>> link <<<<<Hitstun<<<<
they are THE SAME
now this is the INPUT TIME REQUIRED For any normal fighting game for normal attacks to link (ITS NOT A COMBO, ITS A LINK)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1234 (press button here) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
now THIS IS THE INPUT TIME REQUIRED FOR NORMALS TO LINK IN SF4 (the time the game WANTS You to press the button so the link happens, otherwise its not a combo)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 (press button here) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
when people talk about 1f links in SF4 they mean ONE FRAME INPUT BUFFERS.
>>321048195
>Virtua fighter is the most deep and complex fighting game of all time
>>321048369
Ring Out is the only comeback mechanic that isn't a load of shit. You always have yourself to blame if you get rung out.
>>321048369
>mfw shitters always hyping sf3 and virtua fighter as the best games of all time
>mfw when none of them actually played those games in depth and just parrot what they heard on /v/ or what some OG said.
If everyone thinks those games are the best by far, riddle me this: Why does no one fucking play them?
>>321046485
Like music to my ears.
I have nothing against these guys personally but they stand for what I believe is the wrong path for smash and that may not even be there choice but it is what it is isn't it?
>>321048559
What about GG's instant kills.
Same idea but with a huge risk for the attacking player.
>>321048560
>Why does no one fucking play them?
People do play them. The majority has never been a means of distinguishing what's quality. Specially when you're talking about the gaming taste of Americans. 3S and VF5FS both had decent community run JP tournaments this year.
>>321042958
Can he learn to write properly first before parroting all that shit?
>>321043209
that's because ishiwatari is worse than sakurai
>>321048559
You clearly never played the game if you think so.
>>321048059
Because that's what fighting games are you retard.
>>321043209
>BlazBlue is a more solid game now
BB is shit compared to AC+R.
GGXrd is a new series of Guilty Gear games. It doesn't magically negate AC+R.
>>321048369
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