What went wrong?
Idk, but I feel I'm the only one around here that don't think the game is shit
>>320961980
it's not complete shit it's just boring
i got bored after about 20 hours
>>320961980
Yeah, you're the ONLY one
Normies happened
After the skyrimjob may mays, normies know about Bethesda and treat them as if they can do no wrong. So of course the game was overhyped as fuck. It isn't any worse or better than any other Bethesda game, but normies overhyped it so bad that everyone was disappointed.
they forgot they're making an RPG game and went full JUST
>Got out of the vault
>10 min later
>SPESH MAHREEN ARMOR MINI-GUN YOU'RE THE HERO!!! WAR VETERAN SAVE US!
>>320962180
near every youtube video people were saying it looked shitty
It's better than F03 and skyrim by far I think. If I'm being critical it's 'the bethesda game' done again though. A lot of the hate just seems to be because it's popular with normies.
Overall I got enjoyment out of it. 8/10.
>>320962341
What youtube video people are you watching? That is the exact opposite of the popular opinion.
I couldn't get into it at all. I think I logged about 6-8 hours just looking for things to do but it's pretty obvious they want you to just follow the main quest and occasionally do side stuff.
It has the same problem as Assassin's Creed 3 where they litter the map with all these collectibles and activities. It makes the map very "messy" but the game is played optimally by just following the main story missions.
>>320961718
I don't really know honestly. FO4 I understand completely, but there's no way in hell FO3 deserves a score that high. Its fucking awful.
>>320961718
>Lacking RPG elements
>Graphics are ass for this gen
>Gamebryo
>World is empty
>Borderlands weapon system
>>320962180
It IS worse than other bethesda games though. Its not as fun to play as skyrim, and its a shit rpg compared to fucking 3, which already wasn't great
>>320962594
It's a super half assed boarderlands weapon system, the weapons aren't interesting unless you get something from a rare spawn.
>>320962281
This.
Todd and pals didn't give a shit about this game, they just made quick cash grab.
>>320962626
>Its not as fun to play as skyrim
That's because it is skyrim, and you've already played skyrim.
>its a shit rpg compared to fucking 3
Just like skyrim isn't a good RPG either.
>>320961718
>user scores
>>320962741
Skyrim ia a better rpg than fallout 4
>>320962626
There's a point where you have to cut your losses and just give up on the RPG elements, and that point was FO3. Yeah, it was a better RPG than FO4, technically, but that doesn't count for shit, because it was an awful game. FO4 is a far better game for not even trying with the RPG elements and just going full shooter.
>>320962281
>Got out the vault
>Go to first town
>Some uppity nigger is giving me orders straight away
I don't get people's complaints. it has the typical bethesda game flaws, but it's by far the most playable un-modded bethesda game. I got 60 hours out of it before I got bored. oblivion only got me about 10 and maybe 20 from fallout 3.
The radiant minutemen quests have thrown me off the most. Seriously. It just pisses me off. Hey go help x kill raiders. Good job, now go help THE SAME GODDAMN SETTLEMENT kill the same people in the same place. AGAIN.
>>320962626
I just got btfo by the Witcher. A LOT of people played TW3 and FO4 this year, they were both really mainstream. People finally saw that Bethesda can't make RPGs or open world games at all.
>>320962281
>that's a suicide mission
>shut up and go do it faggot
>>320962913
But Fallout 4 fails as a shooter too.
The level design and AI, two of the most important elements in any good shooter, are lacking.
They took 7 years to release a game that was possibly even worse than fo3, certainly not much better, and was obviously a hackjob over skyrim >>320962626
>>320962281
>Brotherhood of Steel is notorious for being intolerant of outsiders and make them do an ass load of quests to prove your worth.
>DC BoS a little more trusting yet some hated elder Lyons trusting outsiders and broke off factions and became outcasts. Had an in because your pops made clean water so the lone wanderer got in because of nepotism but had to do multiple quests.
Do one escort mission in the commonwealth and suddenly your BoS material.
It's like they never even played the prior games.
>>320963371
This.
The only reason people defend Bethesda- or any other AAA game for that matter- is because they haven't been exposed to anything better.
>>320961718
Standards have increased greatly in the past 7 years. It also doesn't help that nobody knew what to expect from Fallout 3 when it came out. For a lot of new people, FO3 was something new and amazing to them. I'm guessing FO4 to them isn't the vast and grand experience they felt 7 years ago.
>>320963428
It quite obviously doesn't fail to be a shooter, that's a stupid term and you shouldn't use it.
It is admittedly not a great shooter, its decent at best, but I fail to see how that fact detracts from FO3 being an absolutely abysmal RPG.
I just can't get over how trusting everyone is.
"Ah, well out let me interview you, so I guess I'll dedicate my life to your cause."
"Oh, good job on that escort mission, I know you know nothing of us, but we're going to promote you right away."
>>320961718
Its easier to ask what went right
>>320963648
That's pretty much it.
One of the main reasons I liked Fallout 3 when I played it all those years ago is probably because it was my first Bethesda game, meaning that everything was fairly novel and unique to me.
I assume that's also why so many people like Morrowind or Oblivion too.
>>320964093
This
It's some fairytale bullshit
A post apocalyptic wasteland would be more like Mad Max with people trying to fuck you over at every turn, not some SJW shit off, OH WOW YOU ESCORTED ME TO A VILLAGE, FUCK MY WIFE, TAKE ALL MY EARTHLY BELONGINGS, I'LL BE YOUR FRIEND FOR LIFE.
>>320961718
Man that feels good to watch
You know why people are not liking it as much? Because it brings nothing new to the table. It's another "Bethesda game", and there's that.
>>320962882
Feels good man.
>>320962918
Bethdrones all blabber on about "freedom" and "exploration". The quests are hardly "free", are they.
>>320961718
Nothing went wrong, Todd and co. made FO4 just to be a quick cash grab to help fund TES VI, they don't give a shit about the scores.
TES will always be the number one priority for Todd, fallout secondaries need not apply.
>>320964521
Yes, Yes, get hyped for Skyrim 2.0!
>>320964521
There will never be another good TES game after Morrowind. They lost all the people who knew how to make a world interesting and cohesive.
>>320964738
Didn't a bunch of morrowind and oblivion developers joined up to make Kingdoms of Amalur? that game is the antithesis of interesting if you ask me
>>320965018
No idea. All I know is Bethesda can't make a good world to save their lives anymore, and they lost Kirkbride.
the masses raised their standards
bethesda... did not
>>320962281
The PA is shitty and you probably use most of your core during the claw fight. You have little minigun ammo.
It's a common tactic in game design, you get a taste of the power you can have later in the game. You keep the PA because it's meant to be something you work on and continually upgrade.
You can say what you want about the lore or fusion cores being too easy to find but that's the game design reason and it was a smart decision. On top of that, it helps placate the normie ADD crowd.
>>320961718
It took its self to seriously. Fallout was supposed to Wacky and satirical instead we get a game with very little levity.
it lacks the fallout feel with Ghouls being more like zombies. Power armor being given to you at the start. Lack of stats and the horrible butchering of the SPECIAL (3 or so in a single SPECIAL is now average).
>>320961718
/v/ culture became a widespread meme amongst normies via reddit
most normies love the game, though.
>>320965331
>you probably use most of your core during the claw fight
try 1%
>He thinks user scores are legitimate criticism
>>320965435
The game is shit,Todd
>>320964302
The Silver Shroud mission was horseshit dickstroking. "Hey I know I'm a maaassive fucking fan of this thing and I didn't tell you beforehand that I wanted you to, but now that you got the outfit, how about you wear it instead of me because you're a big strong guy/gal and I'm a weak ghoul?"
How much effort went into this drivel, really? The gunplay is better, but the same applied to Skyrim from Oblivion. But the game looks like Mass Effect mixed with Borderlands with an even more streamlined story than Fallout 3, which is an achievement.
The amount of retard in gaming. Seriously. Bethesda admitted, literally sold their DLC as them having no fucking idea whatsoever about what they were going to make, and it was the best seller on steam for weeks straight. What the actual shit is going on.
>>320965426
The new ghouls are the best part of the game though. They are a legitimate threat and actually pretty fucking terrifying.
>>320965479
Depends on how easy the claw is for you and how much you have to run away.
>>320962441
I've heard some say it's just a flat out bad game. Even a bad shooter.
Jesse Cox for one. They talked about it for a while on the Co-optional podcast a couple episodes back and they didn't have many positive things to say about it, even though they had a lot of things to say about it.
Goddamn you all. I would have had fun with it before I started browsing this place. Now I can't do anything but see how fucked up it is.
>>320965331
>It's a common tactic in game design
Giving the player the most powerful weapon and defeating the most powerful enemy 15 minutes into the game? No it isn't.
Also, you barely use any of your core, and I had most of the minigun ammo left after that fight.
>>320964738
>after Morrowind
Wow, really? People have that opinion.
Reddit wasn't a thing during FO3's release
>>320961718
Todd didn't give me $500 so I could consider buying his stupid game
>>320965752
>minigun
>powerful
>in a bethesda game
Holy shit kek, pick one. I take it you haven't played the game? It's understandable though, most shitposters just parrot what they see in /v/
>>320965572
Ghouls have always been a threat, Reavers will kill your ass and they also show the danger in the environment by marking areas that that have high rads.
I great example is the the Test site in New Vegas.
However I didn't mention their difficulty, only that they didn't feel like ghouls. You have ghouls digging themselves out of graves and the ground. Also they surviving having their arms blown off.
>>320965752
>defeating the most powerful enemy
I'll take 100 raging deathclaws over 1 stingwing any day.
Fuck those scorpion cazodores on roids.
>>320965836
Ah, you're making the classic mistake of thinking I give a shit about super deep RPG elements, when the actual reason I love Morrowind is for its world and exploration. Fuck Daggerfall up its procedural generated ass, if I wanted endless dungeon crawling I'd play a roguelike.
Morrowind's strength is its coherent yet alien world, which is incredibly fun to experience and explore. Anyone who clings to Morrowind as one of the last great RPGs is delusional.
>>320963158
>this group of raiders on the other side of the map is giving up problems pls help asap
>>320965752
>Also, you barely use any of your core, and I had most of the minigun ammo left after that fight.
Playing on easy or lying. There are a number of things wrong with FO4 and pacing is definitely one of them, there is no need to lie like that.
>>320966138
Well no shit it isn't, but a new player wouldn't know that, which is the entire problem. Taken as an isolated piece of the game, its awful design.
Miniguns feeling like shit despite looking powerful is an entirely separate area of shit design in FO4.
>>320966270
>stingwings
you mean those things that die in 1 shot? dont compare them to the unholyness of cazadores
>>320966527
I had like 70% left after playing on normal, and had found another core before that one ran out.
>>320963158
>pls defend this settlement with 6 turrets from the """"raiders""""
>turns out it was literally 1 raider with a shitty pipe pistol
TOOODD
>>320963158
then you have the same shit with BoS, kill everything in this place/find technology thing in that place, then a settlement gets attacked and so on, I am sure there are more radiant quests, it's lazy and horseshit, also there are a million bugs in this game, they just wanted to shit this out before Christmas and it shows.
>2017
>fallout iron curtain is announced
>back to top down isometric style
>we motherfucking role play now
Would you?
>>320961718
its pretty much the same game and journalists standards have got a slightly higher
>>320966637
>and had found another core before that one ran out.
I find 3 cores before I even get to the power armor.
The junkyard to the east of sanctuary. Nearly as far as red rocket, has a big robot, the hot rod magazine and you can make the robot self destruct for a fusion core.
Right under red rocket there's a mole rat cave with a fusion core.
In the basement of the place you get the power armor in concord there's 1 there as well.
Bam 3 cores before you even get it.
Why did they focus so much on the graphics when they could do so much more with the RPG elements?
I can play the game but my computer doesn't meet the minimum requirements, that's bullshit for a fallout game.
>>320967024
>Why did they focus so much on the graphics
Did they? Because it doesn't show.
>>320967024
>focus on the graphics
please be bait, fallout 4 looks like utter shit and is unoptimized
I think is the fact that now open world games are more common, and many of them have more quality than the Bethesda ones, is just that in 2008 Bethesda were like the only ones with that style.
That's for the press, for me, their games always have been shite.
>>320967108
That doesn't mean there wasn't a focus on graphics.
Also it doesn't look like utter shit, it looks fine. Not incredible, but fine. How did you people function a decade ago?
>>320967297
Bethesda still makes some of the best open world games. Granted, that isn't saying much, but they do a pretty good job of making exploring the world the point of the game, as opposed to shit like AssCreed or MGSV, where the world was just there to facilitate normal gameplay.
>>320967024
>Why did they focus so much on the graphics
Kek what? the game looks and runs like a turd.
The industry actually got some standards
Had Fallout 3 came out today it would have been butchered
>>320967337
a decade ago had different graphic standards you sperg, Fallout 4 looks like a game from 5 years ago
>>320967094
>>320967108
>>320967527
Then why does it sound like my gtx 650 is giving birth every time I play on minimum settings with all effects off?
>>320966576
nah, fuck stingwings. They are like an abomination combination of a radscorpion and a cazadore.
Them and bloodbugs, fuck them both.
>>320968062
Because Bethesda can't into coding.
>>320961718
turns out putting features of different popular games and mods together actually takes some skill.
Bethesda clearly lacked it, which is why Fallout 4 ended up a trainwreck even least demanding players can't immerse themself into.
>>320961718
this is cherry picked. xbox went from 93>88 PC went from 91>84 . also the number of critics is way lower, so low scores will have a bigger impact
i tried it from the redbox, put it down after a few hours. reminds me a lot of Mass Effect, it wants the broad shooter appeal but still tries to tack on RPG mechanics to pretend to be deep. but ultimately those mechanics just get in the way of the shooting and break immersion.
nothing takes all the tension out of a deathclaw encounter when it just spams the same knockdown attack over and over again and you just hop in the pip boy thereby dragging combat to a screeching halt, cram some radroach steaks down your mouth and heal up in a second.
i don't like regenerating health/cover bullshit either but that's slightly more engaging than fucking around in menus. it's not even the RPG mechanics i have a problem with so much as they're so much an afterthought. they were much better integrated in FO3, NV especially. they really should drop the stats thing, streamline the inventory and scavenging and stick with perks. just do what Mass Effect 2 did and embrace the fact that you just want to make a fucking shooter.
at this point there shouldn't be a Fallout 5. drop any pretense of continuity with those deep RPGs and create a new Fallout subtitle series that's just a shooter, because that's clearly what these guys want to make instead of making RPGs anymore. Fallout Legends or some shit.
>>320965836
Not him but I'd say after Oblivion, Oblivion had it's problems but there was still a lot of enjoyment to be had from it but Skyrim was just a piece of shit newbs and casuals hold up on a pedestal because they've never played another Elder Scrolls game before.
>>320961718
the lack of enemies in the game is really one of it's biggest negative features.
I don't want to fight some regular raiders, give me something new and challenging to kill.
Hell, only at the beggining of the game at very hard I had to use drugs to have some fun killing npcs, but now after I'm lvl 30 I just kill them in one hit and there's no point in using drugs anymore.
The enemy variety is very low, Beth could've done something creative, but instead they went with raiders,ghouls and super mutants.
>>320962481
you ever get that nagging feeling when you try to do side stuff like "man i should really be doing the main story"? i always get it in AC games and the Batman Arkham games.
>>320961718
I don't see why people would play Fallout when you've got a game like Crysis 2 or 3 for example it's basically the same thing. Except the FPS elements are good, you don't have to bother with shitty settlement buildings, shitty dialogue and picking up millions of pieces of junk. Fallout 4 is a time wasting simulator and you actually have to work so you can get to be a badass what a bore.
>>320961718
What definitely kept me distant from the game was power armors everywhere.
The fuck? since when any rascal is able to use that shit?
>>320969058
I do for AC since half the shit is locked by story progression.
>>320961718
People finally woke up to the fact that they keep paying Bethesda 60$ for the same game.
>normies shilling the game
>Bethesda paying off journalists to shill the game
>get zero GOTY mentions while the fins and japs are making better open world rpgs
they couldn't come up with a huge draw like Skyrim's dragons. literally 50% of the appeal of that was the dragons and the game of thrones feel. I liked oblivion a lot, but the appeal for skyrim was wider. expect TES VI to not be as popular or do as well metacritically
>>320968062
because its unoptomized shit
>>320967887
And yet you played games then just fine. Stop bitching, there are things far more important than graphics.
>>320968062
I know... I've got a 780 and in the cities it just drops to shit. I just HAVE to put my shadows on medium to make it smooth and then I decided no, I'm not sitting through absolute shit.
it looks like fucking shit
it runs like fucking shit
the gameplay is uncreative
the story is fucking shit and uncreative
bethesjew is retarded and bad at development
bethesjew tried fucking amd over because they're a bunch of cucks
/thread
>>320968960
The moment they changed Cyrodiil from jungles into another generic fantasy world Oblivion went to total shit. At lest Skyrim had some interesting locations, Oblivion has absolutely no redeeming features save a couple of kind of interesting quests.
>>320964738
>Morrowind
The worst TES game?
>>320961718
Expectations were lower back in the FO3 era. The game is just as shitty as FO4, only in different ways. Also /v/ didn't raid the user reviews section for FO3
>>320970085
i dont think you understand. When a game made in 2010 looks like a game made in 2010 its fine. When a game made in 2015 looks like one made in 2015 its fine. when a game made in 2015 is SAID to look like a game made in 2015 and it looks like a game made in 2010 thats when you can call them out. Its alright for games to have different graphics as long as they say what they are and dont overhype the shit out of a below average product. But you're probably to stupid to understand what im saying.
>>320968960
>Skyrim was just a piece of shit newbs and casuals hold up on a pedestal because they've never played another Elder Scrolls game before.
I tried to get a normie friend to play Oblivion because they loved Skyrim, they gave up in the tutorial dungeon because they couldn't make sense of attributes and classes.
>friends all like FO3 more than NV
>whatever, I'm outnumbered like 8:1 on it so there's no point in arguing
>FO4 gets announced
>they all get hype and start preording Collector's Editions and shit
>tell them that it looks like shit
>they all laugh and say some varient of "well you like New Vegas so i guess you're not a real Fallout fan anyway"
>mfw their preorders come in
>mfw none of them have more than 10 hours logged since release day
>mfw /v/ was right again
>>320964456
>frogposting
>"Feels good man"
Fuck off
>>320968062
Because Bethesda seriously don't know shit about making games. They're lucky pieces of shit.
>>320961718
>fallout 3
>Genre(s): Role-playing
>fallout 4
>Genre(s): General
Think i found the problem.
But in all seriousness it's too easy to make a broken character in fallout 4.
My guy is level 57 and the most dangerous thing for me to face is high radiation or legendary vampiric bloodbugs
Nothing else can really make a dent in my health
>>320970697
Last I checked, you said the game looked like utter shit, which is obviously incorrect. Trying to pretend that you were actually making some nuanced relativist argument after you get called out for your ridiculous hyperbole isn't doing you any favors.
While were at it though, I'm not clear who the people are holding FO4 up as some benchmark of our graphical prowess in 2015. Pretty much everyone says it looks fine but not great.
>>320970832
>do I fit in yet?
Holy shit. Fuck off.
>>320970435
You can make some arguments for Daggerfall being better than Morrowind because its got deeper RPG elements, and I guess you could make some arguments for Oblivion or Skyrim being better because they've got better combat, but you cannot make both arguments at the same time, and then simultaneously pretend Arena was good.
People grew some taste I guess, because both games are awful.
(Y) TELL MORE?
(X) SARCASM (B) NO
(A) NO
that went wrong
>>320971356
>(X) SARCASMtell me a joke.
>>320971497
ok, are you ready?______fallout 4________________
>>320971586
>>320965506
>I'm looking for my father. Middle-aged guy. Maybe you've seen him?
Every time
>>320961718
>What went wrong?
It's just more of the fucking same. Especially in regards to 3.
I played 3 and NV. I know the drill. Kill molerars, bloatflies and wild dogs on low level with the occasional random raider in the wastes with some raider outposts for dungeons. And guess fucking what. Fallout 4 just more of it.
I have 22 hours and am level 14. All I've been doing was killing raiders, collecting their useless armor to sell later, collecting useless junk and cans and everything else was killing molerats, feral dogs, bloatflies then headshotting ghouls.
The problem is:
I already killed 3 Million molerats in Fallout 3,
Dodged 2 million bites from dogs. Ate 5 trillion pounds of dog meat.
Used vats a million times to shoot head of Ghouls.
And searched for the rolling carcasses of Bloatflies for their useless flesh a gajilion times already. => 7 fucking years ago for countless hours in Fallout 3. I'm sick of it.
3 was my first Bethesda style game. It was interesting. New Vegas was different enough to keep my attention.
I already feel like an idiot for every hour I spend in 4 because I already did these things before.They screwed me. I wish I had bought an OUYA
https://youtu.be/g0ha6Mb5_YQ
>>320971140
the game does look like utter shit for a game trying be made in 2015. the graphic are not "fine" when comparing to other titles that came out this year to the point its pathetic.
Also while im at it
>grahpics arent everything
so what makes the game good? it sure as hell isnt the radient quests, the repetition of dialogue, the horrid story arches with shit writing, Quests that contradict the lore that has been established in past games, the mediocre leveling system, the tacked on features made at the last minutes like settlements that add nothing important to the game. a smaller map then fallout 3. I can go on. The game is better then Fallout 3, but thats not hard considering fallout 3 came out 7 years ago
>>320962281
Out of vault decide I'll just explore on my own, not even 3 minutes later I had the suit and mini gun, no companions though, also the map seems super small for 2 hours in
>>320961718
>FO4 has an 84 on Metacritic
>Obsidian was denied their bonus for NV failing to get an 85 on Metacritic
Ahahahaha
>>320961718
Thanks for including the arrow that makes sure I know fallout 4 came after fallout 3
>>320972345
Surely an 84 is close enough :^)
>>320971950
>the graphic are not "fine" when comparing to other titles that came out this year
No, they are. They're functional, there's a good art style, they aren't distracting. They're fine. There's a lot of game that look better, there are also games that look worse. Move on with your life.
Now, you may have problem with the rest of the game. That's fine, I do too. But trying to pretend that everything about FO4 is irredeemably trash just because its popular or you have some strange desire to fit in to this shithole is just silly.
>>320972608
giving bethesda a free pass on this shit is exactly how we ended up with fallout 4. Stop enabling bad business practices. Alos, please get some reading comprehension, i never said the game was irredeemable trash. i liked it better the fallout 3
>>320973009
Except Fallout 4's graphics, as I've said a billion times over, are fine. Giving them shit for their graphics when there are far worse problems in the games is actually how we ended up with FO4, because graphics add nothing to the game while better gameplay, world design and lore do.
But seriously, how did you function 10 years ago. Can you just not play older games anymore? Whats it like to actually think graphics matter to this extent? I genuinely don't understand your outlook.
>>320972608
The graphics would be fine if the game didn't run like absolute dogshit while looking bad too.
If you're not going to focus on graphics, at least focus on making the game run properly.
>>320961980
I'm hooked since release. I do recognize the flaws though. It's obvious they are catering to ADD kids, who can't handle doing nothing for 5 minutes. I guess this is also the reason why the dialogue system was slashed. Which kid today could stand listening and talking to a person for more than 2 minutes nowadays.
Also the reason why most RP elements are removed.It bothers me so much that I'm treated as the "hands on" guy for every faction. I don't want to be a courser, I want to be a member of the Institute scientists. I don't want to be a knight, I'd much rather be a field scribe. Why does my character want to solve every problem by gunning down some people?
>>320961718
Dumbed down, casual pandering.
>>320967024
>>320967108
>>320967337
>>320967887
>>320970085
>>320970697
>>320971140
>>320971950
>>320972608
Reminder Crysis was released in 2007
>>320973834
Reminder Crysis was good because of the gameplay and open level design, not because of graphics.
>>320973970
It's a real shame Fallout 4 couldn't follow that example
>>320973354
The graphics are all low res no detail smudges.
But don't worry, mods will fix it.
>>320973970
It was good because of both, and it had better graphics than an AAA game released 8 years after it
8 years
That's the difference between Crysis and fucking half life 1
It's the difference between Doom 1 and Halo 1
>>320961718
They were too confident in the quality of their product and didn't pay the reviewers as much this time around.
>>320972608
Bethesda defense force going hard. The fact that the textures are blurry smudges yet the game struggles to run on some of the latest hardware is ridiculous. The graphics are not fine.
>>320974673
First off, you're wrong, it was good because of the gameplay, graphics just attracted the kind of idiots who refuse to pick up games if they aren't shiny enough.
Second, maybe graphics aren't increasing at that same rate because it doesn't fucking matter. Maybe graphics as they are now are more than realistic enough to work in games, and its time to worry about more important aspects of game design. Graphics has never been correlated to game quality, and that continues to be true.
>>320975162
The optimization is obviously not fine, the graphics are.
>>320975162
Man, leave it /v/ to make me feel obligated to defend a game I don't even like from people who take their hatred to such a ridiculous extreme.
>>320975232
>Graphics has never been correlated to game quality, and that continues to be true.
You're delusional if you think so, or if you think ugly ass fallout 4 is a good game.
>Quake had great graphics
>Great game
>Unreal had cutting edge graphics
>Great game
>Half life 2
>Great game
>Far Cry
>Great game
>Riddick
>Great game
>Crysis
>Metro 2033
>>320975797
Good graphics correlates with people working hard for their game which correlates with GOOD GAME
Most games with good graphics (at the time) have been good games
I can keep listing games and only a minority will be bad games
>Bioshock had great graphics
>It was good
>Oblivion looked nice back then
>It was a good game
>Hitman Blood Money looked awesome
>Great game
>Max Payne 2 looked great
>Great game
>Painkiller
>Prince of Persia Warrior Within
>Serious Sam
>Every Total War game in its respective time
List of good looking games that are bad games:
>uh... battlefront?
>>320975797
Man, those 7 games, two of which aren't even that good, really prove your point. Meanwhile, lets ignore games like Thief, Deus Ex or System Shock, which sacrificed having the best graphics to become incomparably great games. Lets ignore too the games churned out by Ubisoft and EA, which while graphically good, are shallow and unappealing.
>>320975718
>>320975346
Your game is shit, todd
>>320971742
>It's just more of the fucking same. Especially in regards to 3.
This is true. Even more than dedicated genre fans who will close one eye and play the game if they enjoy it, casual mainstream is far quicker to pounce on you if they figure out they're being bamboozled. I think people will turn real fast on Fallout 4 if they haven't already.
>>320976408
I didn't say ugly games are usually bad games, I said good looking games are usually good games
>>320975797
Graphics never mattered. It's gameplay and performance that do.
The reason this game failed was because it's graphics AND performance were shit.
If it was just the graphics that were shit, the game would still be decent enough.
>>320976727
Graphics add to the experience you dumb faggot
THINGS THAT LOOK GOOD ARE NICE
>>320976635
First, we're not arguing about good looking games, we're arguing about games with good graphics. Dishonored look fucking phenomenal, but it doesn't have great graphics.
Second, how fucking delusional do you have to be to honestly believe that graphically good games are usually good? Have you not seen modern AAA releases? AssCreed games are quite technically impressive, but they're very poor examples of game design. Your naming of a select few games, few of which were actually graphically great for their time, does nothing to help your argument.
>>320976985
>THINGS THAT LOOK GOOD ARE NICE
Actually, you know what, fuck off. Seriously, fuck off. You're the scum dragging down this industry, and its very clear you'll never understand how. FO4 has a lot of issues, but graphics sure as fuck aren't one of them, and pretending they are is just ensuring FO5 is going to be just as bad, and the same reasoning applies to gaming as a whole.
>>320976985
You are literally a fucking child.
I miss the days when idiots like you weren't even aloud to have that opinion. You're a fucking disgrace that should be disregarded.
>>320977404
You're a stupid fucking retard who can't grasp a simple concept that several good things add up to a better thing.
You're literally a retard.
>>320977381
>Actually, you know what, fuck off. Seriously, fuck off. You're the scum dragging down this industry,
Dragging it where, exactly? New games don't look good and graphical fidelity isn't being pushed anywhere.
And the games that do look good are good games (witcher 3 for example)
You can't back up your myth, faggot.
>>320977381
Games that have shit graphics are only backed if they have good gameplay. In this case, FO4 has neither. So move along.
>>320977381
>First, we're not arguing about good looking games, we're arguing about games with good graphics. Dishonored look fucking phenomenal, but it doesn't have great graphics
Who said so? Fallout 4 looks like shit from either perspetive, and I never made the distinction.
>AssCreed games are quite technically impressive, but they're very poor examples of game design. Your naming of a select few games, few of which were actually graphically great for their time, does nothing to help your argument.
Okay
Bad games that look good list:
assassin's creed
battlefront
keep going
>>320977720
Graphical fidelity is pushed by many games, just on consoles. The results are obviously less impressive because of hardware limitations, but there's no less effort being put in.
>>320977860
This has always been about graphics, unless someone is claiming FO4's visuals are stylistically poor in which I case they can kindly fuck off, FO4 has some phenomenal art direction behind it. One of its few successes, in fact.
Also see above for the fate of most games where effort was put into graphics, although you should expand assassin's creed into all ubisoft games, which is certainly more games than your provided. Also toss on the last 2 Crysis games, all the Killzone games, the most recent Halo games, and all the Gears of War games.
Hell, we could probably throw FO4 on the list, they put a shit load of work into their graphics, only issue is they're using an engine from the 90s and getting anything done in it is a nightmare.
>>320976631
>I think people will turn real fast on Fallout 4 if they haven't already.
Nope. Wanna know why?
Because the majority of people who will play and defent FO4 won't be the people who played 3. It will be all the bandwagoners who got it only because of hype who never played a Bethesda game before. Same as Skyrim fans who never played Morrowind or even Oblivion.
All Bethesda games are made to be "baby's first" type games and it's always new blood that plays them. Bethesda knows this. Hence why they targeted the: Minecraft - just entered their teens kid crowd.
>>320975797
Just because there's a correlation with good games having good graphics does not imply that a games graphics automatically make it good, you dip-fuck.
There's a reason for it, and it's because if a studio is given enough money to make their dream project, or they have enough drive in them to do so, they're going to try and make a game that's both visually and virtually entertaining.
The people who fail to do great visually more often than not are under-manned or are restricted severely by time and money.
>>320961718
I have a few things I'd like.
Extend the mod system even further.
Let me choose bullet design and colour of laser for energy weapons.
Let me have endgame weapons that can take multiple types of bullets so I don't end up with a billion .45 and .38 bullets because 10mm and .44 are the only ones I use. Let me use two of another bullet instead of a regular bullet.
Put in more enemies or make more events involving enemies.
AI is actually great in this game and firefights are quite fun. But after I shoot 4 raiders that's it. Maybe have settlement invasions that are (easy)(medium)(hard)(very hard) and make the settlement change colour on your map. Easy would have 5 raiders and Hard would have 20.
Maybe even do settlement attacks in waves.
Make settlers interesting and unique, instead of pointless people.
Fire Emblem, Smash and many games involving interesting cinematic movements have a pause cam, slo-cam and spin-cam that allows you to look at moments of action as they play out.
This would be the perfect extension of VATS, to let them player rewind and play kills they've just made during a firefight in pause and slow-mo during vats with the camera able to pan around the point of interest (Which is either the player that's shooting or the bullet.)
