Pvp in dark souls 2 is a lot better designed. Prove me wrong!
>>320915215
>better designed
What did he mean by this?
>>320915332
The backstabs are better looking AND much more fair. There arent any broken builds like the hexes or the dex scythe build. stuff like that
>soul memory
>>320915568
soul memory is a great idea and im very sad there will be no SM in DS3
>>320915568
>>320915778
Soul memory was a great idea to stop twink invasions, but it disrupts late game pvp.
Also, limited red eye orbs were already a huge hindrance for invaders in DS2.
>>320915534
> There arent any broken builds like the hexes or the dex scythe build.
you mean after it got patched
hex spells were kicking all kinds of ass in DaS2, specifically
playing Dark Souls for PvP is fucking stupid
>>320916327
>in DaS2, specifically
You're saying like hexes were in any other From game.
>>320915215
it's the worst in the series
prove me wrong
>>320915332
Soul Memory.
>Soul memory.
Twink invasions were shitty in DaS1, but SM did the opposite of solve the problem.
An ideal system would have simply taken the character's highest level equipment and attuned spells into the matchmaking formula instead.
>>320916837
or they could just scale down invader's damage and health to match the host's
bloodborne does just that when players coop with a password and their levels would otherwise be out of range
there are lots of ways to approach and fix the problem and soul memory is one of the most horrible solutions possible
why does it even fucking exist after NG? hell, there could have been a trigger in the game half way through NG to disable it and it would have been fine
Anyone that complains about the lack of poise in DS2 needs to actually learn how it works. People complaining about getting stunned by a dagger should also try not getting hit by said 2-inch dagger.
>>320917060
Demon's Souls had no poise and did not have the problems that Dark Souls 2 had in regards to hitstun.
>>320917049
>or they could just scale
Never post on this board again.
>>320917287
How is that no a solution to twinking?
If the host has a +6 weapon and the invader has a +10 weapon, scale it down to +6. This is an infinitely better solution than soul memory.
>>320917474
Not him but Armor skill requirements is a direct solution to twinking.
Scaling is fucking retarded. Whats the point of end game gear if some guy with a dagger from the first area will scale to match.
>>320917474
>host holds a +1 weapon
>gets invaded
>swaps to a +10 weapon and armor
And a myriad other ways to break this system.
Soul memory is a good idea, but poorly implemented.
How it could be fixed is:
>make it count souls spent, not acquired
>exponential SM tiers - finely graded on low levels, but much broader ranges on high levels
Voila.
>>320917474
>Host intentionally using a non-upgraded weapon with a magic build to gimp opponents.
>>320917894
>exponential SM tiers
Jesus christ. This makes so much sense. Why didn't From think of this?
>>320917894
>exponential SM tiers - finely graded on low levels, but much broader ranges on high levels
Except that's exactly how it already works you dildo.
>>320917845
>>320917894
>>320917901
obviously the solution would be a little more complicated than "scale down invader's weapon to what the host is currently holding"
you could just check for the highest upgraded weapon on the character and "but muh magic" gets thwarted if catalysts also need to be upgraded to have good damage
and like I said before, this kind of match making doesn't have to apply forever, it can just last until a certain point in NG where the host as progressed enough
>make it count souls spent, not acquired
still puts a life-time on your build, meaning you can never repair equipment or buy consumables
>>320917894
>>exponential SM tiers - finely graded on low levels, but much broader ranges on high levels
While not exponential, it most certainly did have larger and larger brackets the higher the SM.
>>320917901
DaS2 had upgradeable magic tools. So his magic build would hit like a limp dick.
>>320916423
i always wonder why people say this. Is it because its pointless?
>>320918241
>obviously the solution would be a little more complicated
Then you have to post how exactly it would be implemented.
Fucking idea guys, I swear.
>>320918367
you're a stupid faggot and you take things too literally
If I had said "invader's weapon should be scaled down to match host's damage", I bet you would have literally thought I meant an invader with a greatsword should match the damage of a host with a dagger.
The whole point is that there's a plethora of solutions to twinking and that's just one of them. Fucking anything is better than soul memory.
>>320918241
>still puts a life-time on your build, meaning you can never repair equipment or buy consumables
Tier 36 of SM matchmaking is 3,000,000 - 4,999,999 souls. Red sign soapstone has an upward range of +2. Tier 38 ends at 8,999,999 souls. So unless you plan on firing more than 100,000 lightning arrows they aren't going to affect your matchmaking bracket.
You're right that it puts a life time on your build but that life time is at least 1000 hours. You guys are just fucking ignorant.
>>320915215
better than 1 but still shit
>>320916837
Soul memory would have worked if it was based on the amount of souls invested into your character's stats and equipment instead of the number of souls obtained. Then you could invade/be invaded by whatever tier you wanted by simply moving items into your chest to adjust your SM.
>>320918792
>You're right that it puts a life time on your build but that life time is at least 1000 hours
It doesn't matter. In principle there is a life-time on your build when there shouldn't be. And that effect is very much detrimental when you're in a lower bracket.
Why do you want to punish a person just for playing the game?
>>320918805
How is it better than 1?
>>320918905
this would be okay if it kept "level memory" or something as a separate number, or just used soul level like normal and adjusted it by your gear, but at that point you've basically got a gear score system
the only problem is if you want multiple +10 weapons for your build, you get dicked
>>320918973
it's not infinite stream of lagstabs
>>320919090
Maybe fix your internet and git gud
Guys , should I buy Scholar of the first sin ?
>>320918973
it's not
1 is the best in the series
2 is the worst
>>320919090
backstabs are incredibly ease to counter and at the very least result in a damage cancel every time
it's not my fault you're shit
>>320919147
no
buy everything else in the series and pretend dark souls 2 doesn't exist
>>320915215
>Soul Memory
I'll take all of 1's flaws over this garbage, getting locked out of progressing through certain covenants because I wasn't in a populated SM range anymore is terrible. I wasn't even twinking out my character, I had mostly spent souls on buying everything that was available to me up to that point which required a good little bit of grind.
The game plays in a way that twinking isn't the be all end all because you can fucking move around and dodge and kill much better geared players by simply playing better or smarter than them.
If this was an MMO where you just click skills then yeah I'd be more understanding to the twinking complaint.
>>320919309
But I want to play a souls game
on my ps4
>>320919147
If you already own the base game and the dlcs there's not a whole lot of point in getting it unless you're already a fan and you want to play the game again with a different enemy layout. If you own the base game but not the dlcs it's worth it because the dlc areas are the best in the game. If you don't own the base game then get sotfs as it's a straight upgrade.
>>320918905
This would have been a much better idea if the game could keep track of Souls spent on levels + Equipment Upgrade.
>>320915215
I like PvP in Dark souls 1 and in Dark souls 2 , but none of the games are perfect .
But Dark souls 2 has more weapons , spells and dual wielding .
O and lets not forget abou the Smleter Hammer.
>>320919539
SOFTS is good if you've never played DS2, it fixes some of the initial flaws with DS2, it doesn't make it was good as the Miyazaki games, but it certainly helps and the sheer amount of content basically makes up for alot of the mechanical/story shortcomings.
>>320919539
bloodborne + old hunters
>>320919079
You can get around that by only counting the most expensive item in each category (weapon/shield, spell, consumable, and each armor location) towards your soul memory.
This ensures two-handers and dual-wielders match up with each other, but I think spell casters might placed slightly higher against players with no spells at all.
>>320919787
it could work but it's really just a gear score
not that that's a bad thing
>>320919787
It would need to register equipment you have upgraded yourself and be persistent regardless of if you're wearing it or not because people would just change their gear once they invaded.
Any game in the dark souls series is not competitive in anyway shape or form it's pvp should not be taken seriously even in the slightest
>>320919946
Check the hosts best, but lock the invaders to whatever he was using when orb was used.
Should let the invader do his shit even at endgame.
>>320919946
he already said you would have to store it away so that you could manually manipulate it as you pleased
>>320920005
but it's fun nigga
>>320919932
I guess so, but it's sort of a hybrid since your stats end up costing a lot more than your gear.
>>320919946
Well yeah, that's the idea. You can put items into the bonfire chests to make them not count (and finally give them a use for something other than obsessive hoarders.)
>>320920005
It's fun tho
>>320920452
>>320920005
I personally find dedicated PvPing in Souls to be shit.
But occasional bout with an invader is more like PvE, a natural element of the Souls world, rather than some faggy arena PvP. I enjoy that kind of multiplayer encounters.
>>320919390
I think what's so insane is how much a sweeping change Soul Memory is. All you had to do in DaS1 was not go human in the starting area and you wouldn't get wrecked. Their solution to this was to drastically change the entire co-op/pvp system, which was perfectly fine outside of this single problem, and fuck the entire game up. Who the hell thought it was a good idea for bad players who lost 50~70% of their souls to be matched with players of the same soul memory who didn't lose a single soul? Twinking, the problem they were trying to solve, IS BUILT INTO THE GAME'S MATCHMAKING.
How does a game developer fuck up so bad?
>>320920880
I just like killing people with the bridges in catacombs.
>>320919390
>getting locked out of progressing through certain covenants because I wasn't in a populated SM range anymore is terrible
I bet you didn't max out darkmoon blade by invading players.
>>320920005
Multiplayer is half the game. Just because you dont like it doesn't mean its irrelevant. Im not saying it should be ultra balanced and optimized but things like twinking should definitely be addressed in a manner that doesn't ruin duels.
>>320920989
Yeah I basically had to have a character set up where every soul I gained either went straight into levels or purely into the only gear I'd need to buy for that character and found I was pretty consistently outclassing people who had probably lost at least a good 40% of the souls they had gained to end up in the same range while I had used up pretty much every point I could.
>>320915215
Is the world-entering animation in either DS2 significantly different from DS1's?
https://youtu.be/3hGJbilYW8g?t=7m32s
It has wonky as fuck animations. It's complete garbage compare to the other games just for that.
>>320918159
Fucking THIS
The Soul Memory tiers are so fucking high late game that I have legit no idea why people even find this to be a problem.
>>320918956
Having to start a new character after 1000 hours is not a punishment you crybaby fuck.
>>320915215
>Souls games
>PvP
Who cares?
>better designed
>soul memory
>no full orbs
Actually, never mind the last one, orbs don't work in DS2 anyway.
>>320915932
I don't really see how it would help twink invasions. A low level player would rack up a higher soul memory dying over and over whereas a more experienced person could rush to get the agape ring with a relatively low SM
>>320918341
Yes, and also because it barely works and doesn't really complement the game's style that well overall. Being invaded for the first time is an ass clenching experience, but the combat is too simple for the amount of grinding and hassle you have to go through. At least Demon's Souls was simple and straightforward.
>>320930227
>Demon's Souls
How does invading and summoning even work in DeS? I played during the event couple months ago and didn't see anyone.
>>320930396
You just have the blue/red/black eye stones and you use them. You have to be human to summon, you have to be dead to invade(I think).
>>320929423
>orbs don't work in DS2 anyway
???
>>320917165
drunkenfoolz, fuck I have some good memories of him raging while watching his stream.
