Smash Bros then
Smash Bros now
Are you talking about how they went from realistic to cartoony?
If so, did you forgot 64?
>>320827710
>>320827727
And while the models are better. The game got worse
>>320827727
Better desu desu desu senpai.
>>320828028
Did you just say Smash 4 is worse than Brawl?
>>320828292
Yes.
Tr4sh's outcome is 99% not based on comeback mechanics.
Brawl only has a few seconds of tripping.
Which is worse? the 99% or the few seconds?
Brawl has better SP and music as-well.
Brawl also isn't split-up into two games.
Brawl also doesn't have paid product placement.
>>320828394
>>320828292
Woops fucked htat up. It's 99% based on comeback mechanics*
>>320827710
>>320827727
Is that the smash 3 mod?
>>320828028
>brawl got worse than brawl
>>320828727
I know both pics are in brawl.
The models aren't, however.
>>320828292
The only good thing that sm4sh has over brawl is the roster and having marginally faster movement speed.
>>320828394
>Brawl also doesn't have paid product placement.
It did. It was just far more subtle.
Snake's default theme was a remix of the then-upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4.
>>320828794
Yes they are. They're retextures
>>320828394
Brawl had fucked up chain grabbing and all other sorts of weird broken shit.
And meta knight
>>320828848
they're literally ripped from tr4sh
Smash 4 is a great game and on par with melee in terms of depth, but is constantly shitted on because where melee shines in offensive options and play, smash 4 shines in defensive options and play.
>>320828934
and it's still better than tr4sh.
>chain-grabbing is now considered broken
just say Brawl's chaingrabbing was broken, not the chaingrabbing itself.
Either way just don't get hit, Melee has infinites. But people are good enough to beat ICs.
>>320828982
Yes. But the models are still brawls.
>>320829076
fair enough
my point still stands though
>>320829059
>just say Brawl's chaingrabbing was broken, not the chaingrabbing itself.
I did. I said brawl had fucked up chain grabbing. We're specifically talking about brawl are we not?
And I said it had other broken shit in addition to cgs like ness/Lucas' grab release, bucket braking and hitstun cancelling.
And snakes hitboxes I guess too. But that kind of stuff is par for the course in smash.
>>320828985
>melee shines in offensive options
>>320829197
Oh yea nvm, I'm going to get some coffee.
Sorry anon.
Brawl wasn't perfect. Yet still better than tr4sh.
>>320829247
I don't agree in the slightest but to each his own
>Brawl defenders exist now
Neo-/v/ will always continue to surprise me
>>320828985
Smash 4 is shit on because it shat on (relatively) normal people like me.
The wannabe hardcore players get their no items final destination only bullshit.
The autistic Nintendo fans get their random and colorful crap.
But people who are in the middle - i.e. the majority of people - are fucked. You can't play it semi-competitively because the stages constantly move and transform and you spend time fighting the stage instead of the other players, plus all these fucking one hit KO items and gimmicky boss invasions and new modes that emphasize randomness with no competition.
So you can't do that because it isn't any fun if you're over the age of like 8, but you also can't play the no items final destination only because you're not an autist. You're just fucked.
So you go back to Brawl or Melee when you want to play drunk Smash with your semi-core gamer friends.
>>320829418
>middle - i.e. the majority of people
Not at all, you're a very small market that got fucked, one that is mostly just on /v/, Sm4sh gets nothing but praise everywhere else
>>320829346
Your disagreement is irrelevant to facts.
>>320829646
You're not saying any facts other than "brawl isn't perfect"
>>320829645
So does CoD and Gone Home.
What's your point?
>>320830089
wrong
>>320830095
CoD not anymore, Gone Home just from Adam Sessler, make a better argument
>>320830125
You sure showed me there. I'll make my way to the door
>>320829645
Do you even understand what you're saying?
I mean, if sm4sh was supposed to appeal to both ends of the spectrum then the people in the middle shouldn't be getting fucked over so badly.
>>320830232
What I'm saying is the middle is tiny, complaning about how "for fun" is too rng for you is retarded, and that that the stuff aimed at "competitive tryhards" doesn't exist, for glory is actually aimed at what you call the middle and the competitive scene was never on Nintendo's mind, they just think "for glory with a higher skill level"
>>320830219
Point still stands.
At one point or another, all people would talk about is how awesome CoD and Halo and TitanFall and Destiny and Gone Home and Dear Esther and Battlefield and bEAttlefront was even though they were games that ran the gamut from mediocre to dogshit.
How can you even make the argument that because it gets praised all over the place, there aren't any issues with it?
>>320830219
CoD gets hated on because it tries to be different each game.
>>320829418
Why not try experimenting with dumb shit.
Yesterday me and my friends spent hours playing 2.0 damage ratio, 300% handicap, random customs on temple, bouncing all over the cave of life desperately trying to tech and save ourselves, freaking out when someone got wario's burrowing bike or the equipment that turns your dash into an attack.
They give you all these options for a reason, just try and figure it out.
>>320830398
Oh you're baiting.
Or you're retarded.
My mistake, I thought I was speaking to someone who knew what they were talking about.
I'm just going to hide you comment and I won't tell anyone what you just said.
Enjoy your weekend kiddo ;^P
>this whole thread
>>320830596
Wew, I sure got btfo didn't I? Leave it to /v/ to instead of making a good argument ditch out because they can't think of a rebutle ;^)
>>320830556
It's a shame that most of the fun options are hidden behind obnoxious bullshit.
Say what you will about Brawl but at least SSE made unlocking everything simple and easy.
Remember that thread yesterday?
>says they hate Smash 4
>you ask them why
>they give a bunch of technical competitive/meta gameplay issues
Ooooh good grief, the autism on /v/ will never cease to astound me.
>>320830808
Like what? All I can think of is the horrible grind for customs and pac land being unlocked by smash tour. And pac land is shit anyway.
Only thing its good for is getting lv 1 cpus to suicide.
>>320830851
So you ignored the issues that were brought up with SP?
>>320830881
That's really the main thing I'm talking about.
I wouldn't even have an issue with customs being unlockable if the RNG wasn't so shit and you didn't get duplicates of the same move.
>>320831114
Yeah I don't think anyone can defend the custom unlocking system.
Maybe the Japanese because they love that sort of lottery bullshit.
>>320831280
What you dont enjoy EVERYTHING our lord sakurai puts out for us!? FUCKING MELEEFAGS
>>320830851
>criticizing gameplay is "autism"
what
>MUH DENIM
>>320831114
The way unlocking customs works just boggles my fucking mind
They're grouped in with equipment and every other custimization item
You can get duplicates
You cant choose which characters you get them for, only slightly influence the chance of what characters customs you can get
You cant get them for just playing more matches (the wrench bag drops once in a blue moon I guess if you play with items)
Who thought this was okay?
>>320832998
Japan
>>320827710
>Brawl
>>320827727
>Brawl with Smash 3 textures
>>320832765
FOR FUCK'S SAKES NOT THIS AGAIN
There's a difference between insulting a game's small, technical differences and lack of wavedashing and shit, and insulting the actual gameplay. The game is smooth, it works, it's fast, it's responsive. Just because the hitbox on Yoshi's fucking down A is different, doesn't mean the game is ''tr4sh''. It's a party game, fulfilling it's purpose.
>>320827710
>>320827727
>Project M model of Link
>he barely changes
>not even using the official Brawl models or official 4 models
stop posting any time
>>320829418
>implying hardcore players wanted Final Destination only
>>320833056
>it's fast
>>320828985
I know you know jackshit because Melee's meta is getting more and more defensive (which is why randumb players like Mango and SFat are getting left behind) while Sm4sh is getting more offensive with all the patches it's getting (vanilla Sm4sh is cancer, and outside of Sheik and ZSS, the game is quite good now).
>>320828985
>on par with melee in terms of depth
Tell me more funny jokes, anon.
>>320829418
>plays with items on
>not a casual
You realize theres this thing called the fucking settings page right? And you can just avoid those crappy stages? I cant believe you call others autistic when you fail to notice this simple shit
>>320833132
In the grand scheme of things its pretty fast.
It's slower than melee, marvel 3 and some anime fighters, but much faster than SF, MK, Tekken and shit.
>>320827710
Link did not look like that retard
>>320833154
SFAT and Westballz are both getting better and better though, the fuck is a "randumb" player?
>>320832998
>Who thought this was okay?
Anyone have a contrast of Brawl Little Mac and Sm4sh?
>>320828985
>on par with melee in terms of depth
>>320833132
Once again, Meleefags taking simple shit out of context.
>Pretending Smash 4 didn't push the details better
>Muh Denim textures
>>320833056
>smooth
>responsive
The total lack of jump momentum disagrees.
>>320833597
The absolute biggest improvement smash 4 made graphically was the faces.
Everyone was so unexpressive in previous games.
I was playing melee yesterday and unnerved by puffs blank stare
>>320833379
He got some pretty good buffs, like existing
>>320833597
aside from the faces and texture res it really didnt change much
melee still stands graphic wise aside from like two characters like yoshi and falco
>>320833665
Megaman games manage to be smooth and responsive without it
>>320833673
I mean appearance pics. People forget how melted and ugly he looked in Brawl
>>320833751
>muh melee
Fuck off faggots
>>320829418
Take it from someone who does melee/PM locals, no actual tournyfag follows the "FD only" meme. Hell, if any game reinforces that to hell it's smash 4, even with melee I had a choice of a few different maps, even ones with fun gimmicks (Yoshi's island cloud, dreamland wind, pokemon stadium transforming stage).
It's only the wannabe hardcore fags who thing FD is the only 'good' stage and ruin the fun for everyone.
As for items, if they were actually fun I'd play with them more, 4 player FFA with items in 64 is a fucking blast, but from brawl onward items just felt too powerful and were too decisive.
>>320833783
sorry I forgot to put a trigger warning :)
>>320833751
And bowser. And Mexican Mario and Luigi. And 12 year old marth and Roy. And that shitty plastic sheen on everything.
>>320833306
>SFat
>Better
PPU pls
And Westballz is getting better because his neutral is improving, he's making the right calls more often, especially with his signature whiff-Wavedash back-Pivot U-tilt anti-airs.
Randumb players are the style over substance players, Mango is a prime example, people used to be terrified of playing him and he used that to his advantage, but now even Hbox who had an embarassing record against him is taking sets. The more defensive meta is also part of the reason why Falcon is so ass now.
Smash can always capture the essence of a series really well, the stages and characters from the Mother series is what I'd imagine a 3D Mother game to look like, same with getting the NES feel with Megaman and The FFVII stuff is the best FFVII stuff I've seen since FFVII. How ever they always fuck up Mario. Mario is never smiling and "badass" Peach is a Magical girl princess and Luigi is LOLSORANDUM and Bower is a realistic dragon. They fuicked up DK in brawl but at least in Sm4sh they went back to being goofy like they're meant to be. However Bowser JNR and Roselina are protrayed fine
>>320833928
MARIO IS WHITE!
WHITE!
Roy is a boy though bowser does look like shit
>>320829418
I agree, but I believe I've solved this problem by turning off all the new items in item switch and restricting many stages (i.e. the overly wacky ones, so pretty much half the new ones) to Omega only in the random stage switch
>>320833989
Bowser is perfect aesthetically in smash 4 except his voice.
And peach is a magic princess and has been for a while, you just don't see it often because most of the time shes captured. Most recent example I can think of (because I'm playing it now) is in the beginning of bowsers inside story when she tosses bowser outside of the castle with THE POWER OF HEART or something.
>>320834158
Actually I forgot about that DS game where Peach uses her PMS to save Mario
I wish we could auto ban smash threads
Tr4sh
>Brawlfags STILL exist
I thought you retards moved on to Sm4sh. Also
>Brawl has more glitches/tech than Melee and Sm4sh
>>320833989
I think Bowser Jr. ended up accurate to his game personality because he was done more recently when Sakurai decided to do his "character gotta fit like he is in his game" thing.
While Mario, Peach and Bowser are leftovers from Melee where alot of characters he was doing his own thing. It's probably the same reason he doesn't fix Ganondorf's moveset, he's being overly attached to the melee version.
>>320828794
>The models aren't, however.
Look at Samus you retard.
>>320829125
No, it doesn't. It doesn't at all.
>>320833154
>ZSS
ZSS sped up the meta 10 fold.
What are you on about?
Anyone else think that, stylistically, the 3DS version actually looks better than the Wii U version? Compare Link's models for instance. Also, the lower poly look makes Cloud resemble his angular PS1 model, which is really cool.
>>320834994
>I posted it again, mom!
>>320827710
>Smash 64 = IV
>Melee = V
>Brawl = VI
>Project M = VII
>Sm4sh = I
You know this to be true
>>320835750
accurate
>>320835595
No, the Wii U version definitely looks much better, you can tell the art style was built for that. The 3DS version is kind of nice because you can see all of the action at once, and the simplified models make it a bit easier to understand the hitboxes, but the Wii U version looks so much better.
>>320833597
Smash 4 Mario has denim too dummy. It's just more subtle.
Brawl had better textures but shit tier lighting so it ended up looking like a mess overall.
Smash 4 has an opposite situation, flatter textures while the amazing lighting does the work, but it works on most characters and stages so I really can't complain.
>>320835750
This isn't accurate release-order wise OR quality-wise
>>320835750
So Brawl is supposed to be the best? and Project M is the absolute most overrated piece of trash in the franchise?
Boy, I'm not sure what you're problem is but whatever.
>>320833751
Melee has some shitty proportions for most characters, Brawl graphics will age better for me because of that.
>>320836312
>Melee has shitty proportions for most characters
Fixed, my bad.
>>320829418
God you're a faggot.
Ever heard of OMEGA mode?
The mode that makes it FLAT and NO SPECIAL SHIT HAPPENS AT ALL?
Smash 4 is horribly, horribly balanced. Even compared to Melee with it's fox bullshit.
Smash 4 has a huge amount of characters that are completely and utterly non-viable. Every patch we see has no changes to try and bring these characters out from void of uselessness, rather instead opting to buff some mid-tier characters in incredibly minor ways or nerf top tier characters in minor ways.
>>320827710
>trying to look realistic on extremely outdated hardware (for its time mind you)
Brawl always looked kinda ugly if you ask me. Not hideous but just not that good.
>>320827727
This isn't even smash 4
smash 4>melee>64>brawl
come the fuck at meI don't play party games "seriously" so to speak, at least I mean I don't act like I give a shit about the meta or what the matchups are or etc. or try to ban stages/items/characters (except for the extremely long ones clearly meant for 8 man smash since they're tedious and shit on 4 player smash)
>>320836608
>fox bullshit
at least for fox to be completely bullshit you have to get really good with his shit. Fox is a hard character, shiek in 4 is literally forward air to win
>>320836816
Agreed with this
Smash 4 had the second best mechanics but the content more than makes up for it
>>320836492
It shouldn't just be omega, though. Each stage should have had:
α - Normal stage
β - FD
γ - Battlefield
>>320835750
This except Melee is not good.
>>320837106
nah fuck that
only variations should have been "normal stage" and "normal stage without bosses or other shit like that"
>>320828394
>Tr4sh
Thanks for letting me know your post was gonna be shit before I even read half of it
>Which is worse? the 99% or the few seconds?
One of them is a shitty trip mechanic that punish you for running and the other is just a mechanic that increase your knockback a tiny bit when you're at high percent. Not saying Rage is good but better than fucking tripping.
>Brawl has better music as-well
>opinions
>Brawl also isn't split-up into two games.
>muh ice climbers
Jesus christ. There is nothing wrong with spiting a game on 2 consoles beside ice climbers, and you can get the game whenever you only have 3ds or Wii U.
>>320838437
Brawl has a much better level editor.
>>320838961
>>320838961
They're both shit mate.
>but this one's better
That doesn't matter when you're choosing between shit and slightly less shit.
And for whatever it's worth I don't even agree with you on that.
>>320839006
>>320839018
boot.elf
>>320838961
is smash getting the zelda cycle too?
people called brawl shit until a new one came out
>>320837000
What content?
>>320836816
>4 player smash
CASUAL GET OFF MY THREAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *shields and combos you away"
>>320839006
>>320839018
>>320839465
Hi
>>320836608
>they shaved off 1 to 2 frames of landing lag for Ganondorf's aerials
>playing against a Ryu, who's near instant Fair does 15% damage with minimal landing lag
t-thanks smash team
>prefer Melee/PM for 1v1s
>prefer Sm4sh for 2v2s or free-for-all
it's a weird feeling
So I went to my second Smash 4 tournament ever. Some faggot killed a guy at like 14% with Luma and up air, he ended up winning the whole thing.
I lost to a Ness, didn't give a fuck because the whole thing was so goddamn boring. Some guys put Melee in a corner and all the Smash 4 guys hated it because "you die if you get hit once outside of the stage and can never recover". Like, wow. You fucking casual cunts.
Pretty sure I'll be going back to Melee soon. How the fuck does Sakurai think dumbing down gameplay is okay? He's literally attracting more retards to his game series which he already clearly fucking hates.
>>320840539
PM has the best doubles but I will confide that Smash 4 has the best 3v3.
>>320840591
>I lost to a Ness
Ness is grounded and tolerable if you play top tier against him because THEY have the tools to just gimp his fucking ass the second he gets off stage
his frame data + damage are so baller that even if you know and predict his usual flowchart bullshit (and aren't playing top tier), it's hard to deal with
>>320840591
pfffft hahaha look at this butthurt Meleebabby.
>>320840591
>I'm bad, this game is shit
lol k
>>320835750
This analogy makes no sense, but ok.
>>320827710
Why is smash the one fighting game (shut up it is) where all the fans decide to cling to the old one no matter what?
>>320842069
No other "fighting" game has a creator that intentionally makes the sequels worse in an effort to stop people from playing them competitively
>>320842069
Because it's the one fighting game where the director does everything in his power to make it less of a fighting game with each successive entry.
>>320842069
Same reason people prefer original versions of movies to glib facsimiles-- if it doesn't add anything or make an effort to improve on the original then there's no genuine reason to play the other one other than "I can play as my waifu".
>>320842069
It's not a fighting game.
By definition, it is not a fighting game.
>>320842395
What IS the definition? Who wrote it?
>>320842356
>glib facsimiles
What?
>>320842487
Some shitposter on /v/
>>320828394
>Tr4sh's outcome is 99% not based on comeback mechanics
1% of rage is not as big as 1% of damage on the opponent, stop this shitty meme.
>>320842487
www.google.com
I think the new Smash looks best. The resolution probably helps, it's nice to finally see Nintendo games not looks like a blurry mess on screens larger than 30 inches.
>>320842821
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=definition%20of%20fighting%20game
This?
>>320842821
It's a series where people try to ko eachother and can be played competitively. Just because it's not a street fighter clone doesn't mean it's not a fighting game.
"Competive Action Game"
-Mashpotato Sakurai
Why havent we reached a verdict /v/? its not a party game or a fighting game
>>320843018
Also, how the fuck does Smash resemble a party game more than a fighter? When you think of party games, you think of Mario Party.
>>320842395
>"Fighting game" is a video game genre in which the player controls an on-screen character and engages in close combat with an opponent. These characters tend to be of equal power and fight matches consisting of several rounds, which take place in an arena. Players must master techniques such as blocking, counter-attacking, and chaining together sequences of attacks known as "combos". Since the early 1990s, most fighting games allow the player to execute special attacks by performing specific button combinations.
How is Smash not a fighting game?
>>320842356
>glib facesimiles
Can /tv/ fuck off? Bane posting is just now going away we don't need your memes shitting the place up again.
>>320843016
>wanting me to spoonfeed you
Literally just fucking google it
Use your brain?
>>320843074
Context, man. He was talking about Sm4sh having the most characters and pieces of music in any competitive action game, possibly including other genres such as racing games.
>>320840591
>this game is too hard, I'm going back to the easy one
Bye :)
>>320842487
The creator of the series said it over and over and over and over for each installment thousands of times over, but Meleefags are such big autists they don't listen.
There's a reason Melee belongs to trinity of games with autistic fanbases, on par with League of Legend and Minecraft.
>>320840591
>I lost to a Ness
You know Ness dies if he gets hit once outside of the stage and can never recover? How the fuck did you lose to a Ness?
>People spent years developing the meta for melee and figuring out every little detail about it
>Not even a few months after Sm4sh's release people were just shitting on it for not being melee
It's almost like people didn't even want to like it
>>320827710
>>320827727
Hey waitaminute that's the wrong Link
>>320837264
This
>>320843202
Oh boy, here comes a crossboard /a/utist to derail another thread.
Don't bother replying, I'm just going to hide your faggotry.
>>320828296
Smash 4 running on better hardware aside, it really does look way better than Brawl.
I never did like the pseudo-realistic look Brawl had, it just looked ugly with the Nintendo characters. I get that it was supposed to be a different, highly-detailed take on Nintendo characters, but it just looked really drab in Brawl. One thing I never liked about it.
The decision to switch a more colorful, cartoony art style in 4 was so good.
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013/jun/21/sakurai-says-smash-bros-isnt-fighting-game-completely-different-label-talks-game-development-fighting-genre-and-value-unpredictability/
>>320828296
Weren't they going with a stylized look with Sm4sh, over the realistic look from Brawl?
Most video game genres are retarded.
>Fighting
You fight in most games, even if it's with guns
>Role Playing Game
You're always playing a role. Somehow this equated to "games where you upgrade your character and explore a world"
>Multiplayer Online Battle Arena
Do I even need to explain how vague this is and how it doesn't describe DOTA or LOL at all?
>Hack n' Slash
What a fucking disaster, this can be used to describe both Diablo and Bayonetta which aren't even fucking close to related
>Simulation
This is used almost equally to describe the realistic portrayal of controlling a vehicle or managing a business or city, completely unrelated things. And now it's bastardized by meme games
>>320833785
>As for items, if they were actually fun I'd play with them more, 4 player FFA with items in 64 is a fucking blast, but from brawl onward items just felt too powerful and were too decisive.
Holy shit this. Items in Brawl and Tr4sh are fucking lame. I used to play with items all the time in Melee. Final Smashes were a mistake.
>>320843704
>Fighting
It just refers to hand-to-hand combat. If you say you've been in a fight, people will guess it's been a physical fight.
>>320843105
not sure if bait or mental retardation
>>320843838
It can also refer to games that use weapons.
I mean, look at Soul Caliber.
>>320843543
This. Yes, Melee has a metric fuckton of tech (a lot of it not-quite-intentional from a development standpoint), but a lot of it took a long fucking time to learn. The scene had SEVEN YEARS between Melee and Brawl to learn shit, and then Brawl was terrible from a competitive standpoint (still a good game) so they stuck with it. Any fucking game that has a scene going for upwards of and beyond a decade is going to have more tech than they know what to do with.
Smash 4 has had just over a year (going off the Wii U version, the one played in tournaments) to go off of, and it's been a very volatile year compared to Melee's first year, due to the advent of patches and DLC characters which have changed the meta from launch in significant ways. Characters and patches are still coming, and even if the Corrin/Bayo patch is the last one, that's the new baseline from which the metagame will have to build off of. Since this is probably the last major Smash game (or at least for a long, long while), and it's going to be where the sponsor money is, Smash 4 is going to develop a meta and tech over time just the same as any other game; maybe it won't have QUITE as much as Melee, but there's still likely plenty.
>>320843727
Melee's items were the worst in the series though. Literally every weapon was better to throw than to use as intended. And don't get me started on that gay-ass spinner. What a piss-poor replacement for the bumper.
>>320843980
So mortal kombat isn't a fighting game because it had a kart racing mini game?
>>320842298
/v/ we fucked up.
Smash64 was supposed to be the most competitive in the series.
>>320842227
>>320842298
SFV is a lot simpler then SFIV and people are excited and no one is saying ten more years of SFIV
MVC3 is simpiler then mvc2
its just smash fags that can not accept it
>>320843980
I could say the exact same fucking thing faggot.
Even then, you can't use some shitty mini-game that's not even related to the main game as proof as to whether or not a game is or is not a party game.
Especially when its only been in one game that's already half of a game to start with.
>>320833154
This guy fucking gets it.
>>320844152
>the most Pokémon on-screen in the series
>red shell
>no over-powered items that prevented any other items from spawning
Any more comparative screenshots?
>>320844309
It's not about being simpler. The creator literally ripped out and added shit to discourage people from playing competitively. You can't name any other fighting game or game with a competitive scene that has this problem
>>320844309
That's not even comparable.
It's not like SFV introduced random tripping or MVC3 shat on the combo system so you have to depend on the same two-piece combos just to get some decent damage.
I mean, no other fighting game series suffers from a creator like Sakurai.
>>320844634
I just named two you retard.
Marvel vs capcom removed moves after each game, mvc 1 was a 6 button fighter, marvel 2 was a 4 button and mvc3 was a 3 button with a easy automatic launcher.
biggest improvement in the entire game
>>320842069
Does it matter? Let people play the game they enjoy
>>320844828
Listen you fucking retard. Marvel, sf, etc. change mechanics to keep it fresh or improve certain areas. Sakurai literally saw how people played competive melee, decided he didn't like it, and made the sequels in a way to discourage people from playing them competitively. Only a complete idiot can't see the difference
>>320845217
Overall the characters are way more expressive, it's very nice.
>>320844828
Again, it's not simply a matter of simplifying the gameplay, it's the fact that with each new entry in the series, Sakurai removes more and more features from the series until it fits his own narrow minded idea of how his series is meant to be played.
>>320844445
>the most Pokémon on-screen in the series
This is nice, but the pokemon themselves arent that great. Brawl has the best pokeball pokemon.
Also
>red shell
>good
>>320845603
>we lost Bonsly
Why?
>>320845603
Brawls pokemon are shit even ignoring the terrible pokeball mechanics. Half of them were useless
>>320844106
Yeah, I just said what most people associate with it.
To this day I still love the gritty dirty look of melee. It's a way of saying "this may be nintedo characters fighting, but this shit is serious." The artstyle of melee really captures the mood of that game.
>>320845942
>but this shit is serious
it's not though
>>320845942
melee was such a mind blowing leap from 64 in every regard
i wish we got a little more than Brawl 2 after a 6+ year leap from Brawl
>>320836608
Smash 4 is the much more balanced than Melee. Fox/Melee Top tiers obliterate characters like Bowser, Kirby, and Pichu. In Sm4sh, at least the worst character in the right hands can beat Shiek/ZSS. Nairo has beat a Shiek with Zelda before, and that Shiek was a pretty good Japanese player.
>>320846060
What I mean is that it's your familiar nintendo characters thrown into a violent, chaotic atmosphere. You arent playing mario brothers, your playing smash bros.
>>320845942
>Melee
>serious
k
>>320846092
Casuals care more about a bloated roster than important new stuff. The only intentional thing Brawl and Smash 4 have added is footstooling! Melee added dodges, more throws, angled ftilts, forward specials, and zair! What have the newer games added? Jack shit.
>>320846203
Going by that logic, Melee is balanced too because M2K has beaten people with G&W, Ness, and Pichu.
>>320846407
i mean brawl added some things like moving while shooting (with items), crawling, input buffer, super armor on attacks, gliding, wall clinging
i wish sm4sh added more new shit to the table in that regard. at the very least, grab-teching
>>320846203
I agree that Smash 4 is generally pretty balanced (especially after patches which have nerfed Diddy and buffed some lower tiers), but "Top player beating people with a low-tier character" doesn't mean shit. Infiltration beating people with Hakan in SFIV or Kuroda beating people with Q in Third Strike doesn't mean those games are super-balanced or anything.
>>320847565
You realize that Diddy has still won majors after the patch right?
>>320829418
>I don't know how to adapt.
I can name several stages that have no gimmicky invasions good for casuals.
>>320829418
this guy gets it
>>320845942
Everyone looks like they're slathered in oil.
>>320848279
Diddy was winning majors still because Zero is a beast with him whether he's nerfed or not
Diddy's still really good, he's just not autopilot braindead "lol I dthrow>uair until you're dead" anymore
>>320845942
>Wooden DK
Tingle will most likely be the next Zelda rep
>>320845942
It looks really wrong and plasticy.
It was definitely impressive in 2001 being a huge step up from 64 but it looks absolutely awful today and the super dark artstyle looks like shit.
Also a lot of the characters had fucked up proportions. Dk's tiny hips, Marth looking like a little kid. Hell, even Mario looked off.
>>320828394
Ladies and gentlemen, autism.
Bask in it.
It's a fun competitive action party game, maybe it's time for you to realize that instead of pretending to know about game mechanics.
>>320836608
>Smash 4 has a huge amount of characters that are completely and utterly non-viabl
Not really. Even many of the mid tiers make waves.
There's like Zelda, Samus, Jiggs, Bjr, Bowser (pre patch, we still have to see if his Hoo Ha is enough), Duck Hunt, and Mewtwo who can't really do much.
>>320848279
Diddy is still really good though.
>>320845942
Brawl looks gritty and dirty more than Melee does.
>>320844410
>CDi Link
>Blails
>Bluckles
Fucking dying, send help
>>320843521
>Did you know characters have weaknesses?
Yeah no shit. Ness is still considered a top tier threat in competitive play.
>>320851119
>top tier threat
High tier threat. He's good but not THAT good.
Which ones?
>>320851373
Right by far
>>320845942
cringe thread?
What do you guys think of Cloud?
>>320839006
Brawl's level editor was only better because it allowed for creating custom levels using 3rd party software then putting them on a flash drive to play. If it wasn't for that, the editor would be shit.
>>320852071
Fun.
>>320852071
Up air is fantastic.
Getting Limit is easier than I expected.
He doesn't seem too bad.
Sheik Fairplanes will destroy him.
>>320850005
How embarrassing.
>>320852071
He is a beast
Fun to play
>>320852149
>>320852241
I think he can potentially be top 15 in smash 4
>>320852349
it's too early to say
>>320846732
>at the very least, grab-teching
Functionally inferior to spot-dodging because grab-techs traditionally are a situation reset instead of a counter opportunity for the initial target.
>>320851373
I don't like ow Smash 4 Mario isn't as chubby like he's supposed to be. Luigi's the lankier one.
I also wish they'd just give Mario his Melee voice.
melee is still the most fun
>>320827727
>He plays Brawl
Fuck off
>>320852387
He's pretty good. Not top tier, but pretty good.
>>320852071
Can't find his recovery framed
>Shitting on Sakurai ever.
Reminder that he is the most based developer ever who listens to the fans and adores them more than anything. Smash 4 is the greatest entry in the series. It has best mechanics. Best modes. Best designs (Prime Samus Suit? LOL! Fuck that shit.) Best balance. Roster full of epic characters. Truly he is a god among men and anyone who disagrees is a tool.
I really can't stand Samus new suit design. Since there's not going to be a new Metroid before the next Smash' release? We're stuck with it. Again. So it won't be another ten years until we maybe get a new suit. That is of course unless the next Smash has proper alt models for costumes and gives Samus her Prime one. Which shouldn't be hard if the developers weren't lazy and/or stupid, but this is Sakurai and his team so.
>>320855486
There'll probably be another Metroid before a new Smash though. Do people really think they're already making Smash 5?
>>320856695
No, I don't think they've started Smash 5 yet. I just have very little faith that they'll start a proper new Metroid before starting the new Smash.
What is the appeal of these games again?
Different IPs in one game?
I'd rather play Mortal Kombat as a couch multiplayer fighter.
>>320856962
typical whiny metroidbabby
>>320829418
>because it shat on (relatively) normal people like me.
>normal people like me
>>320857232
Do you honestly think we'll see a new proper Metroid before a new Smash? Has nothing to do with whiny anything. Ain't gonna be one, son.
>>320857453
If Nintendo gave a shit and shilled Metroid as much as they shill Fire Emblem there'd be no issues.
>>320846510
Not anyone that is regarded as a great player. Nientono, the player he beat, is Top 15 in Japan.
>>320851373
I hate ultra realistic denim on cartoons, they look like minions
>>320847565
The thing is, I think this example holds water when talking about balance is Smash 4 vs that of Melee. A top player was able to beat another top player with a low tier character in 4. In Melee, a Bowser/Kirby couldn't hold a candle to a top Fox player. I can see why my example could be proven wrong though.
>>320833751
pffffffffffffffffffffffft
>>320858954
If people bought Metroid as much as they bought Fire Emblem there'd be no issues.
>>320828985
this melee=sm4sh
in a world with only so many smash clones and smash sequels there is plenty of room for both
>>320860049
If they didn't turn it into a waifu simulator FE would be dead too. So I guess it's better Metroid stay dead then.
>>320860049
Metroid games typically sell around what Awakening did. Well except for that which shall not be named, and for good reason. So why does FE get a pass but Metroid has to crawl through all sorts of shit?
>>320859359
Top 15 in Japan is nothing compared to one of the top players in the entire community.
Also, I'm pretty sure that Yoshi, Samus, and Luigi weren't considered top tier characters until AmSa, Plup, and Abate managed to get them to top 8 in a major while stomping on some top players on their own.
The point still stands.
>>320859604
You say that but I've never seen a legitimate low tier hero make it past pools and I've seen even less low tier heroes actually make it to top 8, let alone win.
In melee at least, you can see people like Abate, Plup, Westballz, and AmSa putting in some work and reaching top 8 with mains that were considered mid-tier at best.
In sm4sh, the only characters that will ever win a major are Diddy Kong, Sheik, and ZSS. Even after a year of added characters and balance patches, there hasn't been anyone who has been able to dethrone these three characters and the ones that came close were characters like Pikachu or Rosaluma, who are themselves considered top tiers in and of themselves.
I mean, you'll never see something like a Samus main or a Marth main actually making it to top 8, let alone GF, because the top tiers are the only characters who have reliable combos or kill setups that work 9/10 times, regardless of DI.
>>320845942
If your gonna talk "serious"
Brawl's realistic got that better
>>320860935
>Samus main
Life is suffering.
>>320846732
Super armor, was absolute garbage in Brawl
Smash 4 was the only one to use it properly with Little Mac and others
Same thing with wall jumping
Sm4sh didn't add a lot new, but it improved the things Brawl did
Also the new ledge mechanics are a lot better
>>320848279
Because Zer0 is a good player
Tier list wise Diddy can't be used as a scapegoat for easy wins anymore
>>320860365
Metroid can crawl?
>>320861882
Yeah, now that honor belongs to Sheik and ZSS.
Oh, and Diddy is still better than most of the cast even without the HOO-HA since most of his moves are practically lagless and safe.
Much fucking better.
>>320828394
Lucas was product placement you absolute retard.
So was Roy in Melee.
As much as I trash PS All Stars for adding Donte, Roy is technically the same thing.
