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Hold on. So the main guy who made FF hasn't had anything to do with the series for the past 15 years?
Basically.
Went on to make better Final Fantasies with Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and Last Story.
>>320816348
Nope and it immediately started showing the minute he left. Underage will tell you otherwise but Square as a company died after IX as far as I'm concerned.
>>320816471
>Director for FF2
It was showing before he left
He's too busy making shitty mobile games to care.
>>320816654
making more money and than he ever did working for Square Enix while owning his own company and being independant of idiots. Living the life in Hawaii when he chooses.
He's now making mobile games I N D E P E N D E N T L Y. gg Square, he's the first Buster Keaton of videogames for all I know.
He made some of the best JRPGs of the 7th generation tho. Last Story was REALLY ambitious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBRqLm-seys
Too bad he only works with mobile shit. I wish Microsoft would throw away some money at him to make a spiritual successor to Lost Odyssey for the Xbone, or at least port the original to PC.
>>320816471
Square died when they merged with Enix
>>320816654
Terra Battle is fun.
>>320816348
pretty much the reason why everything after X sucked, or was simply mediocre (XII)
>>320816591
>hating FF2
True sign of a casual.
>>320816654
>>320816692
he had to step down from the company because Spirits Within almost bankrupt the company and tehre's some Japanese culture thing where the head of whatever went wrong has to step down. he spearheaded a lot of it included creating a movie studio and ultimately it just didn't pan out.
>>320816767
No it was slightly before that. Enix wasn't responsible for 10 and square making all their franchises dog shit. I know this because Enix's shit is still great.
>>320816452
>Blue Dragon
>>320816852
The Ivalice team tried way too big on XII, but it could be the last good resemblance to good ol' Square we have. It's an evolution to Vagrant Story, after all.
>>320816930
most of the people responsible for beloved franchises at companies like Square, Konami, Capcom, etc. have long fled the companies. they're all infested with money grubbing suits who think they know fucking anything about game design just because they happen to pay the bills.
>>320816860
Every system in the game is fucked
It wasn't a bad idea, but if you think it was implemented well you are dense as shit
You can walk through the game easy if you take off all your gear and weapons and teach a few party members cure, that's trash
>>320816929
and now after the merger, they're bigger than Sony's gaming business. Sony on the other hand, shrinking, laying off thousands of people each year and outsourcing everything to China/Taiwan.
>>320816929
>he had to step down from the company because Spirits Within almost bankrupt the company
Spirits within was fucking awful.
They made a goddamn movie out of what should have been a fucking tech demo.
Did they honestly think that a paper thin nonsensical weeb plot would make a good 2 hour movies for international theatrical release?
>>320817090
THe only good thing that square has done recently is fund deus ex.
>>320816930
Except X was a good gamae
>>320817136
what's more is they tried to sell it on the Final Fantasy name
and then had NOTHING even remotely resembling Final Fantasy
and yet Advent Children gets a direct to DVD release
what the fuck
>>320817090
>and now after the merger, they're bigger than Sony's gaming business
I don't believe this at all
>>320817205
the mechanics are solid but the story is awful
TEEDUS was the worst FF protag until Vaan came along
>>320816930
Come on, slightly before the merge we got Kingdom Hearts.
>>320817197
>Implying Sony is doing good
It's not about good or bad. It's about business growth and surviving. Creating new products or remastering old products that captivate an audience or market. Square Enix are expanding and growing. Sony shrinking and selling.
>>320817205
>people liking 10
nah son
>>320817309
The story was hardly awful; probably one of the more coherent and well-developed plots in the series.
>>320816978
the combat system is good but the one in VS is fantastic
Matsuno in general seems to understand the importance of good combat
it's just that everything else is so boring
the world is bland, half of the cast is shit (vaan, penelo, fran) while the other half could be better developed
too much of the game is spent traversing a boring world to get the next magicite/cryst/sword/whatever instead of being part of the juicy political intrigue in Archadia
The OST is good tho
>>320817205
>Start of the corridor linear shit cancer
>Useless party members
>Awful plot
>retarded protagonist and love interest
No anon, it's only good if you started gaming on PS2.
>>320817376
It's the second most popular/best-selling FF game after VII, so clearly people do like it
>>320817450
that's some really good b8
>>320816849
It's also dead
>>320817450
>coherent
"We can't use machinery or else Sin will punish us!"
Except Blitzball technology, that's perfectly fine and Sin is okay with it because he's a huge blitzball fan.
>>320817531
People still believe and like a lot of bullshit, 10 is pure cancer and hating it is the only cure.
>>320817463
>Ivalice
>bland world
I guess, if you want your typical JRPG drama.
>>320817501
Linearity isn't inherently bad, and I fail to see how X is more linear than any of the 3D Final Fantasies. VII and VIII in particular have basically no side-content until the very end of the game. X wouldn't have made since as anything other than a linear game given that you are literally on a pilgrimage from one end of the continent to the other.
No party members were useless until the postgame, which I'm guessing the vast majority of players didn't even bother with since, in the original, it involved tediously gathering monsters and grinding spheres. Regardless, I'd rather have party members with actual roles that are sometimes suboptimal than go the route of the previous games and have everyone be identical outside of limit breaks.
How are Tidus and Yuna retarded? Tidus acts like you would pretty much expect anyone to after having his home city annihilated and thrown into a world of which he has no understanding. Yuna is naive but resolute and stubborn. The love story isn't good, but there isn't a single Final Fantasy with a good love story so I'm not sure how that's a criticism if you're comparing it to previous games in the series. The characters themselves are fine
>>320817656
What? Yevon outlines technology that they can use and technology that they can't (not unlike actual religions). Obviously it's arbitrary and hypocritical, which the characters remark on at different intervals and becomes a major plot point later on. I don't really see how pointing this out is evidence of the plot's incoherence.
>>320816348
Why do you think the franchise has been nothing but garbage for the past 15 years?
>>320817893
yes, pretty much all of the locations were unmemorable and generic
Fun Fact if you play Kingdom Hearts, Master Eraqus is directly based on him
>>320817501
Do you have any actual criticisms other than throwing vague negative adjectives before every major aspect of game design?
>start of the fun linear corridor stuff
>useful party members
>great plot
>smart protagonist and love interest
>>320818125
I don't play kingpoop farts.
>>320817656
>I didn't play the game!
Yuna/Tidus have a discussion about this LITERALLY right after arriving in Luca
>>320818125
Down to the part where he almost kills the kid he was supposed to protect
POTTERY
>>320818145
>fun linear corridor stuff
Now i know you're shitposting
>>320818010
>Linearity isn't inherently bad, and I fail to see how X is more linear than any of the 3D Final Fantasies. VII and VIII in particular have basically no side-content until the very end of the game
Wrong, in 7 and 8 you can explore the world as soon as you get out of Midgar/Balamb, you have some limitations but there's a fuckton to do, getting special materia/spells, finding new cards/spell, leveling up against stronger enemies by exploring other parts of the map.
>No party members were useless until the postgame
If you had Kihmari and Lulu in your party midgame you were doing it very wrong, also you were forced to have Yuna for summons and Tidus so only one slot was truly free.
>What? Yevon outlines technology that they can use and technology that they can't (not unlike actual religions). Obviously it's arbitrary and hypocritical, which the characters remark on at different intervals and becomes a major plot point later on. I don't really see how pointing this out is evidence of the plot's incoherence.
The incoherence is how 100% of the people kept believing on those retarded lines about technology when Sin never attacked Albehds, it's like the church telling you that being lefthanded causes AIDS while left-handed people don't get AIDS, there is no way everyone would be so retarded in spira.
>>320816860
>liking FF2
True sign of a retard.
>>320818198
Jesus is that the "ironically retarded sounding" name they use for it?
Or are you just unironically retarded?
>>320818338
>The incoherence is how 100% of the people kept believing on those retarded lines about technology when Sin never attacked Albehds
Al-Bhed's literally get attacked by Sin in the first two hours of the game you fucking retard. Not to mention, if you actually played the game, you'd know that Sin actually DOES attack technologically advanced cities after a certain point.
>>320816860SaGa is the better alternative you hipster fuck
>>320818380
Keep crying casual.
>>320818468
It randomly attacks shit, if anything, of course albehd and big cities get hit too, but it's clear that it has no preference, two hours into the game it attacks a fucking fishermen village with zero tech.
The Ivalice Alliance, Crystal Chronicles, MMOs, and Fabula Nova Crystallis games might as well be their own series, there's really no reason why they should be latching onto the Final Fantasy brand
>>320818698
Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy XII are meritory FFs.
>>320816452
>Better
:^)
>>320816692
>Hawaii
>A good place
Yo
>>320818338
>you have some limitations
That is an absurd understatement. There is basically no exploration in any of the previous FFs. Between Midgar and Rocket Town, there are precisely two optional areas. Getting the Tiny Bronco gives you access to one sidequest, and then it's completely linear until you get the airship. You can visit a few areas like Bone Village early, but there's fuckall to do in them. VIII has precisely zero optional areas until you get the mobile garden, except arguably the interior Tomb of the Brothers and revisiting Winhill.
>>320818338
>Sin never attacked Albehds
>>320818593
>It randomly attacks shit, if anything, of course albehd get hit too
Which one is it bud? Not like your retardation is even relevant; the game literally says that Sin attacks cities that get too large or technologically advanced in order to protect itself.
>>320818338
>Yuna a necessity
Nah, Wakka / Tidus / Rikku was the real holy trinity.
>>320817309
>Vaan is worse than Tidus
Into the trash your opinion goes!
>>320818108
I'd like to hear of what video game locations you don't consider generic.
>>320817309
Tidus was one of the best FF protags.
>Annoyed that he is dragged on to do some shit he doesn't understand in a place he doesn't know about
>Slowly becomes mature about it and tries to keep the journey happy one
>At the end, despite knowing that he's going to disappear he accepts it calmly
What other FF protag had the same amount of character development?
>>320819146
hi leddit
>>320819295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cyx6nWdFas
>>320817765
>>320817376
>>320816930
>FFX was bad meme
Every fucking thread there's one of you assholes.
There are two bad games in the series and they're 2 and 13. The rest of the series is peaks and valleys. Which game is your favorite is highly subjective, but except for the two aforementioned games they're all highly enjoyable and universally recognized as good.
>>320819378
>People still actually think that scene is meant to be serious
ebin
>>320819429
13 is love / hate. 2 is overwhelmingly dislike though, only few like it.
>>320816591
Sakaguchi didn't direct FF2, the SaGa dude did.
>>320819429
Nah 10 is just shit, sorry to inform you underage.
>>320816348
Not quite. 7 was the peak of the series, everything past that is decline.
>>320820062
It's shit because it's shit? Wow.
>>320821558
The proof is in the eatingof the shit.
>>320816348
>So the main guy who made FF hasn't had anything to do with the series for the past 15 years?
That's why there have been no good Final Fantasy games in the last 15 years.
>>320821704
Such substantial critique.
>Hironobu Sakaguchi leaves
>makes good games
>Tetsuya Takahashi leaves
>makes good games
>Square Enix has no one left
>makes bad games
>now relies on Nomura to make all their games
>Square Enix loses to Atlus
>playing catch up to Mistwalker and Monolith
>mfw
>>320822107
I think TWEWY or Dissidia Final Fantasy can the the proof that S-E still has good in them, but are so deep in shit with all the new big projects that they forget about the goodness in small games.
>>320822270
dont forget The Last Remnant
>>320821867
The last time Sakaguchi directed any FF was in 1992. His greatest accomplishment after that was the shitshow known as The Spirits Within.
>>320816348
He looks like the villain from that Kung Fun movie /v/ likes a lot. No wonder Square got rid of him.
>>320816932
It's better than the whole Lightning trilogy.
t. Person who actually played the game
>>320816348
Yeah. It's never stopped hurting for me. So many people think FF has had the same core group or that they've actually gotten better. Sakaguchi was the heart and soul of the series. As in literally FF has had neither since he was forced out.
It's pretty easy to see too. He had very early superficial influence on X before getting yanked away and a lot of it was taken out after but at least there is some semblence of his touch. 1-9 all had a quality to them that X-XIII lack.
Thank god Mistwalker makes great games. Blue Dragon was a bit weak in story but nailed everything else. Lost Odyssey is the best FF since 9 and the best JRPG of last gen easily. The Last Story was interesting and for once tried to break the mold of shitty JRPG combat.
I need Mistwalker to make another game. Not cell phone or anything either.
>>320817569
It just has a slow update cycle
>>320817205
>Except X was a good gamae
Kill yourself.
>>320816654
That's because he can't get funding. Everything he's done for major publishers since leaving Square has bombed financially.
>>320819429
>FFX is good
>FFXIII is bad
Are you fucking retarded? Is the ONLY reason why you like FFX the combat? It sure as hell can't be the story. It can't be the characters. FFXIII beats FFX in every conceivable way.
>>320823309
>FFXIII beats FFX in every conceivable way.
No one will take this bait. Try again.
>>320823241
>Everything he's done for major publishers since leaving Square has bombed financially.
No, they've all been very mild successes.
>>320823379
It's not bait. It's reality.
FFX had retarded, unlikable characters with literally zero development. It had an idiotic story, shitty voice acting, and only ONE redeemable trait in the fairly interesting combat - And even that gets old after a while because it's so damn easy.
On the other hand, FFX is a beautiful game with characters that feel like real people, a fascinating storyline that makes you want to know more, and a combat system that is both simple and challenging depending on the specific battle.
FFXIII is simply the superior game - One of the best in the series, in fact. It is given way too much crap from the plebs on this board.
>>320823309
FFXIII's voice acting is literally leagues worse than X, though
I mean personally I actually like both but X just had shitty Tidus and Yuna and ethnic joke Wakka.
Meanwhile everyone but Sazh in XIII sounds like they have brain problems or speech impediments.
>>320823502
>FFXIII is simply the superior game
Try harder. Your opinion is so bad it only serves as shitty bait on an anonymous image board.
The Spirits Within was a pretty okay film to be honest family.
>>320816860
My nigga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5it_NVQkJk
>>320822746
I really wish they'd port some of their games to PC
I don't want to touch an Xbox ever again
>>320823593
It's no coincidence that FFXIII received not one, but TWO sequels. FFXIII is a great game, and a rare gem among the sea of bullshit that Final Fantasy turned into when they released the worst game in the series, FFX.
Yes, FFX is worse than 2. Why, you ask? Because FF2 had limitations based on the technology of the time and the fact that this console RPG stuff was still relatively new. I give it a pass. On the other hand, FFX has NO such excuse. It is simply a shitty game made for the lowest common denominator, and underage fucks like you who grew up on it eat that shit up.
>>320823502
FFXIII's storyline is ridiculous and almost impossible to follow coherently without reading everything on the VAST data logs. That's not good videogame narrative, nor cinematographical narrative, nor narrative at all; it's a clusterfuck.
>>320823759
I'm sorry that you're retarded and incapable of following along with the progression of the story, but that's not the game's fault, Anon.
>Release the worst game in the series, FFX
>Immediately follow it up by releasing a fucking ONLINE MMO and calling it XI for some stupid fucking reason
And people say FFX isn't the worst game in the series. It literally started Final Fantasy's downfall.
>Next is FFXII, which I admit I haven't played yet so I will withhold judgement, but I have my doubts
>Amazingly, Final Fantasy actually does something right by releasing FFXIII.
I'm shocked as well, but, fear not! They ensured we would never doubt their retardation by immediately releasing yet another online MMO for some stupid fucking reason.
I have my doubts about FFXV, but we'll see.
>>320824012
Nonsense, XII was the series downfall.
Final Fantasy X was a different game called Seventeen before being Square decided to rip off Grandia 2.
>>320822497
Sir, I'm afraid we can only express our opinion on games we haven't played around here, you need to leave.
>>320824192
>XI
>series downfall
>Came AFTER the first MMO
Nope, sorry. FFX started it all. When they sold FFX they realized they could shovel any shit they want into peoples' mouths and they would happily suck it down. Thus, FFXI, FFXII, and FFXIV were born.
Thank god for FFXIII. It has really renewed my faith somewhat in Final Fantasy, at least to the extent that I am going to give FFXV a chance.
>>320816452
I'm still a bit salty that Last Story isnt getting a sequel.
Its like THE game where you just know it would be refined in to an amazing game if it were allowed a sequel
>>320824335
>hating 10
>liking 13
Can your taste get any worse?
>>320824424
>Can your taste get any worse?
Yeah, I could be a 16 year old who loves FFX like you. FFXIII is better than FFX could ever be, in every conceivable way.
>>320824423
There is a tiny bit of additional story in his Last Story dungeon in Terra Battle
>>320824490
X is far from my favorite, but it's better than anything that came after it
>>320824335
All I'm saying is X is another game (Seventeen) that was turned into a Grandia 2 clone and renamed a FF.
FFXII was the next single-player FF made and started the era of absolute nonsense sci-fi and shitty stories.
>>320824675
Sorry, but you're simply wrong. FFXIII is a great game, and you would know that if you played beyond the first five minutes of it.
>>320824758
>FFXII started the era of absolute nonsense sci-fi and shitty stories.
Holy fucking shit did you not even play FFVIII? FFVII? Fucking FFIX?
Please, kiddo, just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
>>320824786
More like 40 hours of it kek
>>320824786
>FFXIII is a great game
Not him but pic related
>>320824786
Neither the battle system nor the characters could hook me and the fact that it's split in 3 games and the ending is a dlc only served to make me even less interested
>>320824862
>Final Fantasy VII has Midgar based on New York
>Final Fantasy VIII has mostly French and other European aesthetics
>Final Fantasy IX is based on medieval europe
>Final Fantasy XII is based on nothing and is complete garbage aesthetics and designs
>kiddo
>>320824964
>Video games have to be based on real-life places
What the fuck? Underage confirmed. Get the fuck out of here.
It's called fantasy for a reason, idiot.
>>320824964
>Final Fantasy XII is based on nothing and is complete garbage aesthetics and designs
What
>>320825030
>Video games have to be based on real-life places
>What the fuck?
That's not I said.
>>320825036
See clothing, airships, weapons, basically anything.
>>320824964
XII's biggest problems are Vaan and the license board
>>320824626
That's great, but honestly, I just want more universe but with polished gameplay
>>320825128
Those are big problems but the story and setting also suffer heavily as well.
>>320824964
>Has never been to Casablanca or Istanbul
>>320825262
>Casablanca or Istanbul
>those clothes
>those airships
>the judges
>I-it's in the desert!
Stop.
>>320825112
The FFXII setting was based on the Mediterranean civilizations, plus some British Empire influences. Which is obvious to anyone who isn't underage and/or clinically retarded.
>>320816452
When will these work on Xbox One? I really want to play them and say Lost Odyssey for £4 in CEX the other day.
>>320825336
>Leave out the so Turkish Flea Market I Can Smell The Shawarma From Here Rabanastre.
>>320825336
It's pretty obvious they were going for a Byzantium style feel. Essentially the meeting of two cultures.
>>320825186
Maybe if Terra Battle is successful enough, currently his small team is struggling even with just updating that
>>320825336
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XII
>Design inspiration came from a mix of medieval Mediterranean countries as demonstrated by the architectural styles found throughout Ivalice along with many of the races populating the region.[61] The art team, led by art directors Hideo Minaba and Isamu Kamikokuryō, visited Turkey, which influenced the game's Mediterranean-style setting.[62] The developers also used styles and deco from other sources including areas in India and New York City.[62][63] Of note is the use of Sanskrit in the city of Bhujerba. Phrases such as "svagatam" (welcome) and titles like "parijanah" (guide) are lifted directly from Sanskrit. Minaba mentions that the team tried to bring out Arabic culture in the design of the game.[64] War is a prominent theme of the game and the developers confirmed that the cutscene battles are influenced by Ancient Rome.[63] When asked to comment on the fan observation of a Star Wars influence, Minaba replied that although he was a fan of the Star Wars series, it was not necessarily an influence to the game's designs.
>>320817656
You do know Sin is the GOAT blitzball player, right?
Still, there are many religions in today's world more retarded than this. There are some variants of Islam against using Western products. Guess what: They do anyway.
>>320825918
Why have they released it only in so few countries? Is it expensive to put a game up to app stores?
>>320826143
Getting it approved in countries seems to be a bitch, many companies just release it in some major regions. Even something as big as PAD isn't out everywhere
There are workarounds like using proxies to install it or downloading apks
>>320817136
>>320817257
>tfw you enjoyed Spirits Within
pls no bully ;_;
>>320823734
You're right, it is no coincidence.
>>320816452
Last story was pretty mediocre but now they're making IOS games. Such a waste.
>>320817136
They wanted to use the technology on further movies and establish the characters as virtual actors to reuse in other movies
Should have spend the money on decent plot instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuWkvyeAu0E
![131662510936[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wya2zag.jpg "131662510936[1].jpg")
>ITT people unironically liking XIII
>>320822107
>Sakaguchi
>Good games
>Nomura
>Bad
>Doesn't even realise there are like 12 divisions within SE
Typical HAHA poster.
>tfw you can't tell if people are retarded or merely pretending anymore
The last great FF was VII - it was the last time Square really had to prove themselves with a new audience. Since then they have simply rested on their laurels, producing the same tired tripe game after game, and learning how to most efficiently monetise for maximum commercial value. Look at what they're doing with the FF7 remake - it's incredibly hard to fuck up making a game that already exists, but somehow they are managing to do just that. Square died a long time ago.
>All these retards ITT who don't see that FFXIII is the best Final Fantasy made in a long fucking time
This is why gaming is so shit right now. Nobody wants good games anymore.
>>320827374
Dumb frogposter
>>320822746
Funny enough, you can really tell in X's case.
The game didn't even have the SONG "Final Fantasy" in it.
>>320826802
>Sakaguchi
>Good games
>Nomura
>Bad
This is correct.
>Doesn't even realise there are like 12 divisions within SE
Not really, not anymore.
>>320827374
>he likes Anal Fantasy XIII
enjoy your hallways and tutorials, faggot
>>320825262
Actually FFXII seems to draw inspiration from the historical iran-india cultural sphere. The ottomans, due to existing much later, were obviously influenced by it which is why FFXII's visuals may remind one of Istanbul.
>>320828485
Not Constantinople?
>>320828569
You have to let it go, Hellaspoulos.
>>320816348
He might be the original creator Final Fantasy creator, but that the guy who made it a popular worldwide IP is Kitase.
The gooch influence is overestimated.
>>320827487
I've been recently playing it and was pretty sure I had heard it. Are you sure?
>>320828861
Well, Prelude's in the game, as the techno remix you hear at the start when you name Tidus.
But "Final Fantasy" isn't. I refer to this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TFT3K7wyb4
>>320818338
>also you were forced to have Yuna for summons and Tidus so only one slot was truly free.
This is confusing me real hard right now. You could switch Tidus out and never use after you meet the others on Besaid or if you're fighting underwater.
>>320828256
Sakaguchi has been doing nothing but mediocre shit ever since the departure.
Might I ask you why Nomura is bad? He's pretty much the most consistent guy at SE.
>Not really, not anymore.
Are you dumb?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Enix#Development_organization
It's 10 with 8 on Square side + 2 on Enix (granted one of them is pretty useless when it comes to games)
That's without the fact that they own Eidos and have games coming through there too.
>>320829072
I know, I just had a feeling I had that one too. I mean, come on, that song is GOAT. Can't wait to hear it in XV and shed tears of nostalgiaI hope ;_;
>>320827374
Well at least we know you've got a serious case of the shit taste.
>>320818338
Sin never attacked al Bheds, so they had nothing to fear from it if the dope ever shows up, right? It's not like they'd ever build their cities in the middle of deserts to avoid Sin, who attacks by water, right?
Oh, except in the first 30 minutes, we see the al Bhed spazzing out over Sin showing up.
DUUUUR.
>>320825918
It's already pretty successfull, it's often ranked in the 80-100 of the most profitable apps, sometimes going down to 40 when they have a gatcha event (when you have a higher chance of getting a high rank character).
There's also a console version that won't be the same as the mobile game planned.
CRYSTAL CHRONICLES HD WITH ONLINE CO-OP
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