I just finished Dark Souls a few days ago and decided to move on to the next one.
I'm in No-Man's Wharf, and this game is pretty fucking bad so far.
Does it ever get better?
>>320789431
Why do you find it bad?
No.
It's dog shit. If you don't like it now, you won't like it later either. Just drop it and play some more DaS or play Demon's Souls.
>>320789431
It just gets worse. I'd recommend just beating it so you can have an opinion on it in the "What's the best SoulsBorne game?" threads.
no watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
It kinda sucks all the way through, gets slightly ok when you reach Vendrick's Castle, and becomes shit again.
The DLC is better, but still not good enough. If you don't like the levels and the bosses as it is right now, it won't change too much.
Your real fun comes from the weapons, some are a lot of fun and the power stance is nice as well.
Why do you even move to that one?
Please make you a favor and throw that shit to the garbage where it belongs, purchase demons or bloodborne.
>all these memers
>>320790112
Idiot
>>320789702
They fucked up the combat system and game feel.
Dodging is a fucking nightmare.
A lot of the enemies look like they would never belong in Dark Souls 1
The game has a cocky attitude to it, telling you how hard it is, when most of it is artificial difficulty.
It needlessly changed items and mechanics from the first game (e.g. humanities), and added others (what the fuck are life gems) and in god's good name WHY THE FUCK DO THE HEALING ITEMS HEAL OVER TIME IF THE GAME IS NOW MORE FAST PACED
Not to mention the health reduction system is fucking stupid. Demon's Souls pulled even worse shit by cutting it in half every time you died with all your health unlocked, but at least the combat was tuned enough that if you had skill you could get by.
Also, starting out with 0-2 estus flasks is beyond fucking unfair, no wonder you're dying so fucking much
It feels like a completely different game with the name Dark Souls slapped onto it.
>>320790348
>g-game is too hard
I played the original Dark Souls for a few hundred hours and then when it came out I played exactly one playthough of the sequel. Maybe the DLC added good things to the game I don't know, but I doubt they can improve what already is. Dark Souls 2 really feels bland and uninspired in general compared to the first.
But even so, it's all relative of course. A bad souls game is still worth playing at least once over the average shit out there.
>>320790348
I think the game is very bad compared to the rest of the series, but most of those complaints are plain retarded.
I mean, you even went for
>artificial difficulty
Proceed to kill yourself.
>>320790112
RIP
>>320790045
2:35 got me so fucking mad
I like the earlier parts, killing the 4 lords and shit. But the back end and the DLC areas/bosses are better. Combat doesn't change much obviously, unless you put a bunch of points into ADP so you can basically roll through solid objects. That's fun.
>>320790348
>artificial difficulty.
Good stuff.
>>320790348
>Dodging is a fucking nightmare.
Holy shit you suck.
>The game has a cocky attitude to it, telling you how hard it is, when most of it is artificial difficulty.
>when ''Prepare to Die Edition'' exists
>>320790348
>WHY THE FUCK DO THE HEALING ITEMS HEAL OVER TIME IF THE GAME IS NOW MORE FAST PACED
Are you insane? The game is slower paced.
>Demon's Souls pulled even worse shit by cutting it in half every time you died with all your health unlocked, but at least the combat was tuned enough that if you had skill you could get by.
>implying it's not the same case with DaS2
>Also, starting out with 0-2 estus flasks is beyond fucking unfair, no wonder you're dying so fucking much
>when they throw 10 lifegems right off the bat for your class + 10 lifegems for explorer class + 10 lifegems, 3 radiant lifegems, 1 old radiant lifegems and 5 poison moss as a starting gift
Sounds like a bad case of git gud.
>>320790112
rip han
>>320790643
its like the b team completely missed the point of the original games
>dur there good becuz thear haaard righht?
>>320790348
>>320790464
I played Dark Souls 1, Demon Souls, and Bloodborne, loving all three (Demon's Souls to a lesser extent)
I know you're baiting, but there are times when I'll press circle to dodge in DaS2 and it straight up won't even dodge. Then there are other times where I'll dodge, but I'll still get hit mid-dodge. What the literal fuck do I do to combat it?
Block?
That eats away at my health anyway, so the whole thing becomes a "Required amount of HP sort of thing"
That's a load of horse shit, especially early game when my health is already halved and I only have 2 estus flasks
>>320790348
1/10
at least include a anime girl next time and you could earn a 2. fucking fag
>>320790943
>>320790803
It honestly feels like the game went out of its way to try to be harder than the first one
>>320789431
no
it's horrible
worst in the series
drop it now and move on to bloodborne or wait for dark souls 3
>>320790943
>I played Dark Souls 1, Demon Souls, and Bloodborne, loving all three
You really shouldn't be having any trouble with the DaS 2 combat. It's hard, but not something way crazier than what's in those 3 games.
>>320791027
I apologize, here is the anime girl I forgot to put
>>320790943
funny, most people beat it just fine and most claim the DLC areas are the best parts. go play another game you obviously don't have what it takes to beat the easiest souls game in the series.
>>320791175
well, it had iframes tied to a stat and a completely different movement system
it's the slowest in the series and feels like shit to play
>>320790943
Dude, I felt the same way when I first picked up the game. I came from Dark Souls 1 and it felt really different and I did shitpost about it too. You'll just have to deal with it (like I did) or drop it off completely.
>>320791093
>>320790943
>get drangleic shield
>get controller fixed
>most importantly
>>320789431
>I'm in No-Man's Wharf
>does it get better
This has to be bait. No Man's Wharf felt like the only thought out place in the entire vanilla Dark Souls 2. It was perfect. Nailed every bit of atmosphere missing since the first.
>>320791172
Too bad I've already played Bloodborne 4 times
It's my favorite
>>320791274
I felt myself sliding all over the map
I can walk straight past most enemies too.
I don't know what game you played
If you're a souls fan you'll beat it regardless of how different it feels. it may be the lowest rated souls game but it's still a souls game.
there are so many worse games out there haha dark souls II is most definitely not the worst game out there.
>>320789431
I enjoyed 2. Its not as good as 1, but its not bad. Anyone who says otherwise is a memer.
>>320791274
and Bloodborne is even a bigger departure. You just learn to adapt.
It's still the same concept of "wait for enemy to finish attacking - Counter!" as it's always been. Especially you moving from finishing DaS 1 a few days ago to playing DaS 2 it shouldn't be hard. It's different, but not THAT different.
>>320789431
No, it's really terrible. The levels you go through just feel bad because the level design is very bad. That's really all there is to it. On top of that, all weapons within a class are exactly the same, so there is not mystifying allure of adventure in finding new weapons that might have a great new move-set that speaks to your soul.
>>320791304
If the game will grow on me eventually, I'm going to keep playing.
>>320791575
Did I say it was?
>>320791636
It's pretty fucking differant man
>>320791113
that wasn't what made dark souls good, its what made darks souls 2 a slog to play trough
>>320791416
Holy fuck why is reddit so fucking prevalent in these threads now?
DaS2 is not even as close to being as good as its predecessors. OP is pointing out vital flaws the game actually has. DaS2 is not immune from criticism.
>>320790348
Fuck off then, don't play the game if you only want to blame on it on 4chan. I loved DS2 as much as I loved Demon souls and DS1.
>>320790348
Well, the game sucks as a sequel.
Stand alone, its kay.
You just suck OP, git gud. You can roll thru everything
>>320791846
How is he blaming it on 4chan you retarded memer?
What does you liking DeS+DaS1 have to do with his points of criticism?
Holy fuck. What has happened to /v/? This isn't the fucking youtube comments section.
>>320790943
I love how none of the faggots in this thread even mentioned that you should be investing into the Adaptability stat. It effects your I-frames and effectiveness of rolling ,if you haven't put points into it then you will have a much harder time dodging, it's not like Dark Souls 1 where you just roll better below a certain encumbrance threshold. Or, you know, just fucking google it - Reddit is more useful than this shithole if you're looking for legitimate and helpful advice.
>>320791093
you actually could pull something like this out in DaS1
>>320791782
I know. Dark Souls felt like crawling through broken glass to get a really fucking yummy candy bar
DaS2 feels like you're having glass shards shoved into you through the ass while taped to the erection of a gay man who keeps saying "But I thought you LIKED it hard"
dark souls 2 was just too linear for me and felt like it wanted to take the player on a journey rather than exploring a castle which is what dark souls 1 was
i think they both had their strengths
in terms of atmosphere, story, boss fights, fashion souls, and lore das1 wins hands down tho
>>320791803
>pointing out vital flaws that have already been pointed out a million fucking times AND remedied in future games = critical discussion
>tfw people can't learn to
>>320791892
>you can roll through everything
You meant CAN'T, right?
Bad game.
Getting rid of iframes on doors/fog walls
ADP
Shockwaves
Character hitboxes remaining in the same place until the end of the animation
>>320790112
calling a bad game is bad is reddit tier?
>>320791636
>and Bloodborne is even a bigger departure
it's really not
the point isn't that it's "hard", it's that it's poorly made
iframes to a stat is flat out fucking retarded
>>320790348
>IF THE GAME IS NOW MORE FAST PACED
You think DaS2 is fast paced? I dislike the game but you just sound like a bandwagon memer who doesn't really know why the game is bad but feels they have to hate it anyway.
>>320791968
I never really put much into it, until later levels where I had no stat to dump levels into, and even then the max I ever had was like 20. Does it really make that much of a difference?
>>320792139
the difficulty was to immerse you into its world in the original
the sequel confused this with its main appeal
that why there are so many gank squads and the level design goes agaisnt its game play
>>320792401
This
You're basically leveling up to make the game more playable
>>320789431
imo from best to worst I'd rank them
das2 dots
das1
ds
BBC
bloodborne sucked because everyone moved the same and it is very easy to cheese ai. Pvp would be the easiest except you can heal 20 times, necessitating your weapon have fast capabilities and you carry a cannon to ohk healers
>>320791951
>>320792257
>This is why DaS2 is bad.
>WHO THE FUCK CARES WE HAVE DaS9 NOW STFU FAGGOT!
The mistakes of the past aren't any less visible when the newest entry of a series comes out. DaS2 will always still be turd it was when it first came out, no matter how many souls games are pushed out by From.
>>320792527
sotfs not dots
>>320790348
Man there are so many things wrong with DaS2 and you picked all the ones that make you seem casual as fuck.
>game feel
Jesus christ fuck this term and fuck arin hanson. Game feel means fucking nothing and just says that you don't actually understand what you do/don't like about how a game plays. Maybe its how the weapons sound when they hit or how the animation fits with the sound. Maybe the controls are/aren't responsive or tight. Jesus just fucking say anything other than game feel and you will instantly sound like you know more about video games.
Anyway Dark Souls 2 wasn't made by Miyazaki and it shows. The design of world/enemies/story feel unfocused and much less concise. They also tried a handful of changes to the mechanics that ultimately fell flat. It feels like it was made with a much larger budget, but without strong direction or understanding of what made Dark Souls successful.
I wouldn't say its a bad game, but I don't think it lives up to its pedigree.
>>320792527
>bloodborne
>bad
>>320792527
>>BB worst than dark souls 2
You just went full retarded and your opinion automatically becomes shit.
>>320792401
>it's really not
Just stop it.
DaS 1 and 2 are way more similar than DaS 1 and Bloodborne will ever be.
ADP was a dumb stat though and I hope it's gone in 3.
>>320792626
>Man there are so many things wrong with DaS2 and you picked all the ones that make you seem casual as fuck.
>While all of those flaws do exist ur just not the hardest of cores :^)
Pretentious as fuck. Get off that horse.
>>320792636
>>320792672
You sure btfo'd the guy with your hot arguments, sonyggers
>>320792815
He's right though
>>320792626
Dude I could have elaborated on my points
I could have gone on about how the game was way to bright colorwise, or how loose the character feels in terms of movement, or how the level design was bland
I wanted to get my point out
I knew you guys had heard shit like this a billion times before
It's just that I'm experiencing it for the first time now and I'm pretty fucking peeved about it
>>320792761
Bloodborne is essentially Demon's Souls with less mechanics
bloodborne is far closer to demon's souls in how it players in terms of pace and movesets than dark souls 2 will ever be to dark souls 1
I really don't even want to talk about dark souls 2 when it's just a giant piece of shit
>>320790348
While you are a shit, and need to git gud, you DID help me put into words the problem I have with Dark Souls 2's difficulty
It seems more, well, artificial. Not in the shitter "i don't like how hard it is, or the way it's hard" way, but more in the way it seems to be TRYING to be difficult, while Dark Souls 1, for the most part, had a difficulty that seemed to be more "natural."
>>320791758
>finding new weapons that might have a great new move-set that speaks to your soul.
I knew that the DaS fanbase were hipsters but holy shit.
>>320792971
Implying that all the arguments of why DSII is a turd haven't been listened 10000000 times in this thread or every other.
Implying I'm a sonnyger when i don't have a ps4 (or plan to buy one) but played the game.
So yeah try harder you fucking DSII lover fag.
>>320792442
Jesus fucking christ they even had the fucking gall to make Ornstein one of the first bosses
I can practically hear the devs saying "see how hard it's going to be?"
Making Ornstien a starting boss is an asshole move, by the way
>>320792983
Besides the point of "gamefeel" not meaning much, he's not right.
Lack of iframes and the whole change to healing items in general is a large change in gameplay. It turns a once tactic based game into something that turns into turtle attack baiting. These are huge flaws that change how you play these games that is supposed to be "faster" in terms of gameplay, but punishes you by not providing proper implementation of mechanics. Having to pump stats into dodging that isn't a turned based game is one of the biggest mistakes of all time. Not only does it change iframes on your roll, but also item consumption. You have to pump about 10 levels into a skill to even get the game functional.
If you don't want to pump those 10 levels into adp you'd have to keep a decent shield up and bait out attacks. Then after you bait something out you can then attack. This doesn't even work with every boss/enemy because they're on fucking recordplayers. Tracking never fucking ends on the enemies.
>>320792264
I'm pretty sure he meant can, anon.
>>320793392
Ornstien:Edge Edition is easy though. And optional, but a new player wouldn't know that
>>320793361
DeS is my favorite, anon. I would sure like to read those arguments though.
>>320792317
>Getting rid of iframes on doors/fog walls
Why should you have i-frames on those?
>>320793498
Why the fuck is he back anyway?
I remember sending his ass back into the fucking stone age where it belongs
>>320792610
So we just keep having this thread ad nauseam because there were mistakes made?
Autism at its finest.
>>320793392
One of the easier bosses in the game. Making Pursuer one of the starting bosses is what made some people upset.
>>320793615
I like to think it's just a dude cosplaying him and being very bad at it.
>>320792427
yes
>>320790348
>it's different so I don't like it
Bitch, I rolled my first character as Deprived and broke all my weapons before I even unlocked the blacksmith. And I ended up liking the game a shit ton.
It's a bit different, get used to it.
No.
Majula has the best ambient music. Firelink shrine can't even compare.
>>320793625
>everyone from the previous thread is now discussing the same shit in this new thread
>No one will ever play DaS2 for the first time ever again, everyone has already played it because I said so, anything other than that is simply autism
You seem to need usernames. You should scuttle back to reddit where you belong.
>>320793615
Did you ever try shooting the princess?Anor Londo was a fucking mirage and you killed the mirage Ornstein and Smough.
>>320793570
Not the one you're responding to, but literally go in any FromSoft thread and your arguments will be there.
Are you really this new? If you played DeS, DaS, and Bloodborne, you have to have known that DaS2 wasn't as good as DaS at least peripherally.
I feel like you're just wanting to complain because you accidentally bought SotFS or some other shit.
>>320793636
I'm not saying DaS2 Ornstein was hard.
I'm saying they took they hardest boss in the first game (no one will even TRY to debate that), and made him an easy boss at the very beginning just to give the illusion of difficulty
It's almost a form of nostalgia pandering
>>320793735
Do they not even explain it?
>>320793735
>and being very bad at it.
Ornstein wasn't even close to being a threat without Smough though. I don't think he's doing that bad of a job.
>>320792423
Took the words out of my mind.
>>320791931
actually the quality of /v/ and youtube comments are surprisingly similar
>>320793909
It's not meant to be an illusion of difficulty, it's meant to be a lesser, corrupted version of something that was once grand.
All of Dark Souls 2 is like that, it's all about trying and failing to reconstruct the past.
>>320793880
But you get to her after you beat O&S
>>320793909
>I'm saying they took they hardest boss in the first game (no one will even TRY to debate that), and made him an easy boss at the very beginning just to give the illusion of difficulty
He was a hard boss because he wasn't alone. Without Smough to give you a constant threat and force you to play unlocked, he was cake.
>>320793909
I'm not seeing the "illusion of difficulty" thing. But it was strange and unnecessary using him again, yeah.
>>320793909
"The Old Dragonslayer is reminiscent of a certain knight that appears in old legends."
""The beloved ring of a dragon-slaying knight.
Strengthens thrust weapon counter attacks.
After many years of use, the ring's face has worn down, but close inspection reveals an engraved lion."
Most the game says about him.
>>320794031
Yeah but he's not as cool
>>320793889
To see the same meme arguments parroted over and over?
I mean, the game has flaws but it's not a bad game at all.
>>320794150
Yeah, and when you kill Gwenevere, you break the illusion, and Anor Londo becomes deserted, bleak and desolate. Ornstein and Smough are at the top of their game in gleaming gold armor, just like the rest of Anor Londo. Why would they not be illusions when everything else is?
>>320793880
>Smough
I was going to, but I didn't realize beating Lord of Cinder ended the game
It's pretty obvious to me now, but I always play my souls games without the wiki for the first playthrough
>>320789431
At least Dark Souls 2 ended at a proper couple of boss battles.
Dark Souls 1 should have ended at Biggy Smalls. It felt that way. That battle was hard as fuck. Everything after felt tacked on and far below your true experience. Dark Souls 2 corrected that. The game flowed so much better.
The DLC was fucking great.
>>320793570
>>shit level design (one of the most escencial things in a souls game) is fucked up here with linear crap, with a bone fire every 10 steps instead of shortcuts or alternative routes.
>>shit tier enemy design, this includes enemies and bosses, the bosses are the worst they just make a lot of them but almost every one is an humanoid, or worst a recycled shit form the first one (like the dragonslayer or the rat)
>>Fucked up hitboxes, this is one of the elements that fucks directly with the gameplay aspect
>>A lot of useless garbage, yeah you can have more of the 10000000 weapons or armor in the game, but many of them feels like the same, or just stick with the Havel armor the entire of the game
>>soul memory, this ruins the only good thing of this turd (the pvp)
>>shit lore who just a lot is recicled from the first one, but boring, also drangelic is souch a crap location that you don't even care about it.
>> the world feels weird from location to location, like they just made different worlds and the somehow tried to connect them, resulting in a mess.
So how the fuck this is worst than bloodborne?
>>320793847
>i know ur right but I don't want to admit it so go back to leddit pls
Nobody is saying that people won't play DaS2 for the first time ever again except you, you autistic dingle.
In reference to what OP said, he's played DeS, DaS and Bloodborne. The chance of him not hearing that DaS2 was mediocre compared to the others is practically impossible, especially if he goes on /v/ to complain about it.
He says DaS2 is bad compared to DaS, which we all agree with. Same with DeS compared to DaS2. But me saying the same fucking complaints that are in a FS thread every goddamn day, especially when a lot of those problems have already been addressed or fixed, seems slightly autistic.
>>320794112
Are you talking about the story or the game itself
Kek
Is Ornstein just a metaphor for the game?
>>320793000
Then say those things, or don't say them. Might as well put "I don't like the game" as one of the reasons you don't like the game. It doesn't add anything.
>>320794403
>I shall assume everything possible about the author because I can.
Like I said, back to reddit.
>>320794382
>shit
>shit
>shit
Ok buddy, this was exactly what I wanted to read.
>>320794527
>I will ignore everything you said because I don't have an actual response
Glad we had this chat.
>>320794212
Ornstein and Smough were DaS1's hardest boss fight
Using Ornstein as a first boss gives off the impression that that was the level of difficulty the game was starting at.
>>320794235
Nigga I read it too and that wasn't REMINISCENT of anything
That was most definitely Ornstein
>>320794646
>>implying I don't have the reason
You know is true, and if not is just because you are just a lost case of mental retardeness
>>320794435
B-Team knew that their game was only going to be a flawed recreation of something that came before them, so they worked the theme into the game. Golems are flawed recreations of giants, the Ancient Dragon is a flawed recreation of dragons, the miracles in-game are flawed recreations of ancient miracles, the gods are basically made up based on what people assumed ancient gods were, all the factions that carried over from DaS are supposed to be people following the legacy of ancient heroes, and the Great Old Ones are flawed reflections ofthe Lord Souls. Even Vendrick, when you find him, is only a weakened shadow of who he used to be.
The whole game is built around this theme of looking to the past and trying to recapture some of its glory.
The biggest issue when starting the game is dealing with the rework with poise and running fatigue. If you aren't using a dagger, you'll run out of stamina early on and enemies with their quick recovery times will get easy hits in.
>>320793880
i dont think those two were that. even after you bring darkness there are still "people" in anor londo. meh at the end its all interpretation.
>>320794742
>Using Ornstein as a first boss gives off the impression that that was the level of difficulty the game was starting at.
If it was, they would have added Smough too.
>>320794704
You're literally assuming the actions of the author. You're in no position to assume anything. Your argument is null, it's all just conjecture unless you can prove it.
Bye, fag.
>>320793598
so you can run past the trash infront of a boss room instead of having to deal with them should you frequently die to said boss.
>>320790112
>tips F key
>>320794742
>O&S the hardest bosses
4 kings, seath, and the DLC bosses must have slipped your mind bud.
>>320794897
I think that's why enemies despawn after a certain number of attempts.
>>320794831
Why would they stay there to protect an illusion? The only people that are left in Anor Londo once you pull back the illusion are part of the Darkmoon covenant.
>>320794760
Sure thing, keep believing your blank statements provide any semblance of a proper argument.
>>320794936
>seath
>hard
Dark Souls 2 by far has the best pvp in the souls series, and the soundtrack is bretty gud. Also has the best DLCs if you don't count Bloodborne.
Memes aside, it is a good game, just not as good as the other souls games but not by that much tbqhwy famalam
>>320789431
People used to think the end game of DS1 was a change of pace.
Then people started to play through DS2. After you finish killing Nashatitata, you lose all motivation to play the game.
To this day, I have not finished the DLCs because they are so boring.
>DS1
>drop into DLC
>amazing music, tone, and environment, and thrown into a boss fight immediately
>trash mobs feel like trash mobs and there is rarely giant unmanageable mobs of them on every street corner like in DS2
>DS2
>drop into a quiet room and proceed through a long linear hallway with a jump scare
>reach bonfire and sit there for a while twiddling your thumbs
>proceed through your linear corridor in the dark with washed out pallet or open wasteland of one color
>get attacked by a group of enemies immediately or an infinitely spawning large enemy out of the blue
>rinse and repeat
>people have more fun running through the DLC to the bosses than actually exploring the DLC and fighting trash every 5ft
>>320794895
Okay, let me PC it for you then:
In reference to what OP said, he's played DeS, DaS and Bloodborne. The chance of him not hearing that DaS2 was mediocre compared to the others is PROBABLY practically impossible, especially if he goes on /v/ to complain about it.
Didn't know I had to add in the special probably clause for you to understand, but you already said bye so toodles.
DS2 is a husk of a souls game. But on it's own it's pretty decent if you're not comparing it to the Miyazaki games.
It really needed Miyazaki's touch, which I guess is what DS3 will be.
>>320794936
Seath and 4 kings were a breeze with my black knight sword +5, and I haven't shilled out money to get the DLC yet, though I do plan to
My point is O&S took more than having a powerful weapon and armor set. You had to assess where both of them were and attack and heal only in the little openings where it was safe
You had to constantly manage your stamina so you could swing your sword and get the fuck away at a moments notice.
You win Seath's fight by whacking his tail a lot and backing up when he starts shitting crystals
>>320795204
man, the areas in the DaS 1 dlc were crap. No one actually liked that sleepy forest or Manus' shit cave. Give me Shulva and Brume Tower any time.
>>320790518
Nice contribution to the thread, angry 14 year old.
>>320792427
you should have around 110 agility for end game
>>320795434
>conjecture
>somehow valid
>>320794936
4 kings were trash for me, just ran up and killed them with very little ease, Seath was significantly harder than them.
Kalameet and Manus were overall the most challenging in my opinion.
>>320795560
This. Great boss gauntlet though.
>>320795696
very little difficulty*
>>320795434
OP here, I can confirm what you're saying
Even though there's no reason to believe I'm OP
>>320795820
>with ease
>with no difficulty
learn how to english or just kill yourself
>>320795560
Fighting the same soldier enemy in three different DLCs sure was fun.
>>320795914
Don't be shitty, it was an accidental mistype.
>>320795852
2 has the best story
no vague item description teenager fanfic bullcrap
>>320789431
I feel exactly the same OP
i dont know what it is, I cant describe it. it just feels like fucking shit. Nothing feels like it has intent or purpose. its like oh lets put 3 dogs here, that'll make it hard/frustrating.
and I don't even have alot of trouble with it, it just feels like the devs thought that way
bloodborne on the other hand is fucking fantastic
>>320795914
Dude, you knew what he meant.
He knew what he meant.
We all knew what he meant.
Shut the fuck up
Man
>>320795204
>amazing music,
I don't even remember any of the boss musics of the DaS1 DLC, weirdly enough.
>trash mobs feel like trash mobs and there is rarely giant unmanageable mobs of them on every street corner like in DS2
Then what's the point of said trash mobs existing if they can't even represent a proper challenge?
>drop into a quiet room and proceed through a long linear hallway with a jump scare
>reach bonfire and sit there for a while twiddling your thumbs
>proceed through your linear corridor in the dark with washed out pallet or open wasteland of one color
Please don't act like AotA wasn't super linear. Those are also non-arguments.
>get attacked by a group of enemies immediately
And? You were right next to a bonfire.
>or an infinitely spawning large enemy out of the blue
I'm sorry, what? Outside of the challenge zone in the snow DLC, that never happens.
>people have more fun running through the DLC to the bosses than actually exploring the DLC and fighting trash every 5ft
That's just like your opinion, man.
>>320795852
>>320789431
Is tru
>>320791452
A shame the area's optional and has the easiest boss in the game.
At least you find your best bro there.
>>320796185
Oh fuck this doesn't list the OP post as mine
I'll remove the pic to prove
>>320795654
>needing this much agility
Just for info, 88 AGL is fatroll iframes, 96 AGL is midroll iframes, 105 AGL is fastroll iframes and 114 AGL is ninjaflip iframes. Basically, you're saying that to beat the endgame, you need more iframes than a fastroll in DaS while still beneficing from all the armor you can get up to 70% equip load. This is absurd.
>>320796297
Shit
>>320790112
Han brought this on himself
>Game gives you shit for shields, best cases early game are Leather if you don't mind chip damage or Drangleic, which is a heavy beast
>Basically encourages rolling over blocking
>But then ADP
>>320796042
>Prisoner of Sinner's Rise, the Lost Sinner eternally punishes herself for the sins of her past. Indeed, she committed what some would believe to be the ultimate sin - she attempted to relight the First Flame.
>Sword that opens the Embedded's door.
Shaped like a weapon, but is in fact a key.
Plunge the key into the Embedded
to bring a rhapsodic end to his fate.
The once-human Embedded, realizing that he
could never resist the temptation of the flesh,
bound himself eternally with chains. Since then,
he has awaited the day that somebody will
find this key, and bury it within his bosom.
Wow, its like I am reading Harry Potter, evrything is so clear.
>>320796545
>Game gives you shit for shields
What? You don't get 100% immediately, but that doesn't mean the 85~95% ones are shit.
>>320796042
DS2 is terrible and has no lore to begin with.
there are no gaps to fill, everything is spoon fed.
even demon souls made more sense.
>>320794831
Priscilla had a great set offeet
>>320791951
>>320792531
OP here
Who is this and how to I get them naked
Dark Souls 2 might be good after all
>>320796701
whats wrong with being clear
>>320796984
>there are no gaps to fill, everything is spoon fed.
You... just described Dark Souls 1... which is fine because Dark Souls 2's problem is the exact opposite...
If the level and enemy design is your issue, I agree
If it is the difficulty and mechanics (other than agility), then git good
>>320797208
Nothing unless you're in a game known for obscuring the plot and lore
>>320797239
Some of the shittiest bait I've even seen. Try harder faggot
>>320796903
You're right I worded it poorly. I just felt in the beginning they were trying to get you to roll more, because the shields in the first few areas were below 100% DR. Even when I got the Drangleic shield the requirements were too high for me to equip it right away. But rolling starts off completely borked and I don't think it's explained in game or in the manual how ADP effects your I-frames. Just seems like conflicting game design to me.
>>320797328
>Nothing unless you're in a game known for obscuring the plot and lore
it's a different game retard.
>>320793449
Pretty sure he's doing a SL1 run, that's why its so hard for him...kek
I feel glad to see that Im not the only one who liked the first game a lot but simply hated the sequel, pretty bad game imo
>>320796903
You should get a 100% physical sheild right away
That way, you can let the player make mistakes that are their fault and let them git gud, as is explained you should do in fucking game design 101
Dark Souls 2 is b-tier dark souls. It is still good, especially with the dlcs and sotfs which fixed a lot of dumb shit, but it doesn't hold a candle to the original.
>>320789431
Bad taste. DaS II is fantastic.
>>320797328
Holy shit you are an actual retard. Everything that you need to know about Dark Souls' lore is told through item descriptions and world design. The game spoonfeeds you the lore. With Dark Souls 2, it doesn't spoonfeed you anything with its vague bullshit and there are too many gaps to fill because the lore's foundations are inexistant because of the absence of said proper item descriptions and world design. Actually try to play the games for once.
>>320797480
It says Dark Souls on the cover, you faggot.
Is it completely out of the question to ask that a sequel carries over qualities from the first?
Speaking of which, what qualities does the sequel carry over?
What even makes it still "Dark Souls"?
>>320797763
haha
no it isn't
it's on okay game that happens to be a mediocre souls and worst game in the series
>>320797418
>>320797641
This series loves actively hiding its mechanics, like the lettering system meaning jack all and armor pieces giving you random buffs and debuffs.
I can only assume they make minmaxxing a pain in the ass so you give up trying and focus on the atmosphere instead.
>>320797881
that's not a flaw though, it's a change, there's nothing inherently wrong with being clear
>>320797771
I'm so glad you didn't get quads with that shitty post
You really need to reconsider what spoonfeeding is
If you can go through the entire game without learning a single bit of lore, it isn't being spoonfed to you.
Even still, the item descriptions are vague enough that you still need to do some guesswork
>>320796381
do you wanna dodge the dust particles or not?
>>320794295
It's not like it's a bad game, but to me it definitely feels like the black sheep of the souls series, not thematically or anything but in the design choices.
Really examining a lot of the changes they made and the systems they introduced, it's such a mixed bag, and the things that don't work are really reaaaaalllyyyyy out of place.
in short, muh miyazaki and muh mathewmetosis
>>320798106
It's only one of the main reasons Dark Souls one was good.
>>320798186
>If you can go through the entire game without learning a single bit of lore, it isn't being spoonfed to you.
Which is impossible in Dark Souls 1 and possible in Dark Souls 2.
>>320796381
you're forgetting that you need to compensate for the worst hitboxes in the series
>>320796701
"An old blood-stained summons, inviting an honored guest to the forsaken Castle Cainhurst.
Rather bafflingly, it is addressed to you.
Do not hesitate; the stagecoach leaves from Hemwick crossing."
>DaSII harder than DaS
>"abloo bloo bloo artificial difficulty shit game too hard missed the point b-team sucks"
>DaSII easier than DaS
>"abloo bloo bloo too easy casual shit no challenge b-team sucks"
>DaSII same as DaSI
>"abloo bloo bloo fucking rehash same shit over again b-team sucks miyazaki I want your cock"
>>320790348
>artificial difficulty
what does it take to satisfy sperglords these days?
>>320798387
Like I said earlier, your bait is really shitty and you should stop trying
>>320798434
Mate, I can kill the ogre in Things Betwixt at 85 AGL with my fists. 110 AGL isn't compensating, it is overkill and reinforces the idea that people who complain about DaS2 are scrubs who don't know how to dodge.
>>320798374
>muh lore
>muh story
read a book please.
>>320798621
Your bait is so clear I don't even understand why I'm replying. It should be obvious to everybody that Dark Souls has the clearest lore in the last 3 SoulsBorne games.
>>320798670
Literal autism.
>>320792636
>>320792672
>muh edgy victorian vampire hunter setting!
Ruined the whole fucking game.
>>320798670
>Dark Souls spoonfeeds you information
This is weapons grade autism
>>320798868
>>320799037
>hurr no argument so autism
lore faggots are cancer, go jerk off to vaati or something
praise le sun xD
so deep
>>320798995
>>320798629
what aboutfume knight
>>320799242
>I don't have an argument, here's a r-reaction image!
>>320799140
I hate vaati
THAT'S real spoonfeeding
>>320799140
>h- how dare games have a story
>th- they should all be mindless action games
>I don't have time to busy myself with words
There's a CoD thread in /vg/ for you.
>>320790348
No, you are completely correct. It's an inferior product in every way to the others in the series, and is not only bad as a souls game, but is a bad game in general.
I realized it wasn't a good game once I hit Shaded Woods. I had excused the shitty texture's and ugly, nonexistant artstyle the game had in the Forest of Giants, but it really hit me in Shaded Woods.
It was when I hit the Iron Passage that I realized i hated it. Enemies you couldn't defeat with a melee build, those fucking monks which slow you down, and the skeleton knights, topped off with the Blue Smelter Demon, the most bullshit boss I've fought in the series, downright impossible with an U. great sword alone.
The game sucks shit OP. I've dropped it, went back to Dark Souls 1, and it's amazing, while i wait to get a PS4 with BB which also looks exponentially better. You should too.
>>320798387
>Which is impossible in Dark Souls 1 but possible in Dark Souls 2.
>possible in Dark Souls 2
Aren't you already wrong the moment a player talks to the Emerald Maiden to gain access to leveling up?reposted because quoted wrong person
>>320798629
what you can and can't do doesn't change the fact that attaching iframes, your ability to dodge, to a stat is a horrible design decision
>>320799374
>games need to have a story to be good
>I need stories in video games because I can't pick up a book
kill
yourself
>>320799694
You mean Bear Seek Seek Lest?
>>320799752
I read and play video games. Is your ADHD so severe that some sentences and/or exposition trigger you? Back to the Forza general with you.
>>320789431
the DLC is unfortunately the best part.
>>320799335
>>muh edgy victorian vampire hunter setting
1. When the fuck has that been done well before in a game? As far as settings go, that's pretty uniqueand don't you dare say The Order 1886
2. There are no fucking vampires in the game, nor do you hunt them. The closest you'll get to a vampire are the vilebloods
Sure the whole game has vampire subtexts, but nobody sucks blood to live, it's more of an Adam from Bioshock type deal
3. Who gives a fuck how edgy or gritty something is if it's executed well. The reason most things are ostracized for being edgy is because they're deviantart quality and think saying "kill" a lot makes them cool
>>320799793
Yes, but if you count actively avoiding non-repeating dialogue to prove a point then it's absolutely possible in Dark Souls 1 to avoid lore, which still makes the statement wrong.
>>320799743
What does flaw design have to do with overcompensating for i-frames? You're literally shifting the discussion for no reason.
>>320799547
all your points I agree with but the blue smelter demon
i killed that thing on my first try ng+ with the crypt sword
the two ice tigers and the area before them are complete bullshit though
>>320799547
OP here. Bloodborne is easily my favorite, if even only lore-wise
The DLC kicked so much ass too
>>320799906
not really no, it's just not as important as things like GAMEplay
>I read
post your top 10 books
>>320799983
None of that matters because it's not on PC, so it's shit.
>>320800232
1. Blood Meridian
2. The Hunt For Red October
3. The Templars: History and Myth
4. The Black Company
5. The Odyssey
6. Neuromancer
7. Cell
8. The Stand
9. The Things They Carried
10. Along Came a Spider
remember when epicnamebro was relevant?
>>320800715
You mean two weeks before the Dark Souls 1 release?
>>320790348
How are any of these actual flaws? I absolutely loved that all these changes were made and that I couldn't rely on the bullshit that let me make DaS piss easy anymore. The late game is fucking absurdly boring, but the start is great.
>>320800525
Nice generic taste, dad
>>320800805
>le Greeks and Mein Kampf
>>>/lit/
>>320800525
>babby's first 'serious' books
>fantasy
>sci-fi
lol
>>320800231
i'm dying to play it man, have been watching mygirlfriendplay it a ton recently and it easily looks like the best of the series.
PS4's are still just too damn expensive here in Canada.
>>320801258
kill yourself pleb
>>320791452
idk a few others were good
lost bastille and forest of fallen giants, for example
but most of the game had linear shit like heide's tower, shrine of amana, aldia's keep, dragon shrine, etc
>>320801404
>no argument for standard, /lit/-tier, "patrician" taste
>"ayy lmao kill urself kek"
Let's see your superior Top 10, anon. I better not fucking see Twain, Rand, or Salinger.
>>320801670
1-5 The Scott Pilgrim books
6. A series of Unfortunate events #1
7. The Road
8. The Stand
9. The Last of the Really Great Whangdoodles
10. Atlas Shrugged
>>320801670
Actually what outed yourself as a pleb was the fact you posted a top 10. Everyone knows patricians don't pick favorites.
>>320797196B4 the entrance to shaded woods there's a petrified lady. After you free her with a sacred egg yolk branch you can give her clothes and she'll wear them, even if they're revealing. You obviously don't get to see her change though.
>>320802638
Thanks anon
I have a weakness for cute girls
[Spoiler] might I say the back on the Dark Souls female character was heavenly [/spoiler]
>>320789431
>this thread
Man, I'm so glad I'm only a casual fan of this franchise.
I've played each game from Demon's Souls to Bloodborne through twice and found each of them enjoyable in their own ways, with each of them having their own clear problems but none of which prevented me from having about 50-60 hours of good fun per game.
I'm so glad I'm not going to spend the rest of my gaming days arguing like the Zelda or Metroid fans over which game is better or worse.
I'm so glad that I'm not the type of person who thinks OTHER people shouldn't enjoy certain entries just because I can't.
>>320802798
Souls series is rather lacking in cute girls, but I feel ya.Also, Ctrl+S
>>320803237
I'm on a phone, otherwise I wouldsaving that pic though. Black maiden had some demon soles if you know what I meandid i seriously just make that fucking joke
