SO 5 looks fucking amazing
If Star Ocean 1-4 are any indication, it will be a lackluster RPG with good graphics.
>>320779203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIQhWSh8CeA
Link the trailer man. I've never been interested in SO but this might change my mind.
The second half of SO4 killed any chance of me ever being excited for SO again.
How many people ever actually ended up getting that super grind-y platinum for SO4, anyway? You had to clock something like 1,000 hours to do all the combat trials
Isn't that the game that ruined its entire atmosphere and mood by invalidating the entire series and saying that it was all just an MMORPG for sad people in the "real universe"?
>>320780627
I saw the game on PS3 for $20 at a store today. Glad I didn't buy it. But then, I had already tried Star Ocean: First Departure and it was the worst case of bait and switch I've ever seen. Looks like its gonna be a really unique and well designed space JRPG. Then it laughs directly in your face and puts you in a generic fantasy village doing errands. Holy shit, how did this series ever take off?
>>320780436
I'm... cautiously optimistic. Battle system looks slick, characters look okay, overall 'Star Ocean'iness (i.e. 'HI I'M BRICK LONGHARD AND I'M GOING TO UNIRONICALLY USE A SWORD AGAINST GUYS WITH LASERS. AND WIN') seems to be there.
Sounds like they're bringing back the concept of personal actions having actual meaning and multiple endings etc.
The lack of much current generation Star Trek to rip off of means they have to start generating original story ideas, which could pan out well. Or not. We'll see.
>>320780905
Uh, it you can hardly invalidate the atmosphere of a gamey JRPG by saying 'Yeah, it's all just a game'. Not exactly a popular move but it's not like the gamey elements weren't there from the start, so it wasn't exactly unsubstantiated.
>>320780352
>If Star Ocean 3-4 are any indication, it will be a lackluster RPG with good graphics.
FTFY.
But seriously, Star Ocean 2 is easily one of the best RPG's ever.
>>320781272
You do realize that First Departure was a remake of Star Ocean 1 right?
Thus, the "Sci-fi characters grounded in a village" trope was very NEW to the RPG genre, when it hit?
>>320781618
>You do realize that First Departure was a remake of Star Ocean 1 right?
Yes. Which is why I started with it before trying the more popular Star Ocean 2.
>Thus, the "Sci-fi characters grounded in a village" trope was very NEW to the RPG genre, when it hit?
Interviews with Tri-Ace (which I discovered after I tried the game) said they originally wanted to make a full space based game. But were afraid that the current market (Japanese gamers) wouldn't be interested in a game set outside a fantasy setting. So they 'grounded' the game for that reason.
Its a cop out that wasn't revolutionary. It was defaulting back to what was safe. And in my opinion, it really hurt the game. Why play a generic fantasy JRPG when I ca play Dragon Quest? Which does it much better.
>>320781829
>Dragon Quest
>doing anything better than anything
Jesus christ, that bias. DQ is as generic as it gets.
>>320779203
I think a lot of people miss the point of star ocean games
Or I do and benefit from it.
Can't wait for the cheesy B-movie cringeworthy cutscenes/motioncapture and awkward sexual inuendo in start ocean 5
fucking hyped for it. I'm glad there's a big variety of Jrpgs next year and that not all of them will be top quality or just boring (likes Tales Of, that being said I'm getting Berseria since the setting/theme looks different enough)
I enjoy Taro games being mostly shit.
I enjoy the social link crap added into Persona games.
I enjoy the barebones nothing-else-but-exploran-dungeons of EtrianOdyssey
I enjoy the austistic levels SE reaches in hair physics and 6-pack rendering of FF15 character#FE can die in a fire though
There's something for everyone. SO5 will be the cheese fondue of Jrpgs next year.
>>320781829
I get where you're coming from, but you really should have stuck with it. The crafting/skill system alone makes the game enjoyable.
Star Ocean 2 is an improvement in everyway. The Private Action system is the real star of it. There's so much story that can go different places depending on whether or not you talked to a party member in a random town. Not to mention that if you play the skill system right, you can do hilarious shit. Like selling portraits to make money. Or forging checks for retarded amounts.
Seriously: Out of Lunar, Star Ocean 2, Legend of Legaia, FF7, and Breath of Fire 4? I still love SO2 the most. Which is why I was super pissed when Star Ocean 3 was the most linear, uninteresting, generic RPG in the PS2 era.
The best part about SO was always the Jon Lord worship of the battle themes. Seriously, why do Japs love Deep Purple/Rainbow/Whitesnake so much?
http://youtu.be/u2i-WRB-snI
>>320782007
>Dragon Quest
>generic
I love this meme. Dragon Quest established 90% of the things you probably consider 'generic'. The first one to do something isn't being generic. That's called innovation. The same argument you tried to use to defend Star Ocean, which is fucking stupid since Phantasy Star did it first.
>>320782169
Someone finally gets it.
My nigga
>>320782368
I should elaborate that it's not a bad thing. DQ is for people wanting a "nostalgic yet new" game, which is why they're generally so generic and don't do much in the way of experimentation or providing alternate styles of play. Shit's sticking to the old school formulas like glue, and while that's not a bad thing since it's a niche of its own, it really doesn't stand out. On the other hand Star Ocean, even for the time, tried loads of neat shit. It wasn't perfect, and it was still safe, but it wasn't as all like DQ.
>>320782557
This is what I clicked on the thread for.
>>320780352
I wonder how much of the sci-fi setting will be non-existant because 75% takes place in Generic Medieval Fantasy World.
I just hope there would be more planets/eras to explore.
>>320782659
>>320780627
The director for 5 said that SO4 was garbage and that 5 would improve on 3.
>>320782458
... IS THAT THE FUCKING STYX TIME GATE?
>>320779203
so are we in the matrix still?
>>320779203
Excited for the PC release.
>>320779203
I'm excited for that SO2 port
I played it years ago and got to that island where that dickhead kid wants you to go and got my ass kicked so I dropped it.
Looking forward to giving it another go.
>>320782921
I haven't been keeping up to date with SO threads, has platform war shitflinging bled into these threads yet?
>>320783069
of course. Why would they not shitpost everywhere?
>>320782448
The issue is, Dragon Quest has gone off its formula a ton in the last two gens. A multiplayer focused game, and MMO, multiple ARPGs, a sword slashing arcade game, a card based arcade game, a rythym game, a minecraft clone and more.
About the only thing that remains consistent is the art design and fantasy setting. Which is not the only thing that counts as unique. But since you're arguing that Star Ocean was unique for its setting, that's a problem. Since it did play it safe and default back to a fantasy world.
So my original point is still valid. Why should I play a fantasy game when there's others like Suikoden, Phantasy Star or Dragon Quest which do it better? And did it first.
>>320782889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThQD3LIR4-A
>>320783271
Those are all spinoffs, though. And they're fine, no problem there. The main series generally sticks hard to the tried and true formula, which is not a bad thing.
Also the sci-fi setting wasn't the most unique thing about star ocean. I shouldn't even have to explain what's unique about star ocean, much less what was unique about star ocean 1 at the time.
Let's hope it doesn't have any stupid plot twists, cringeworthy loli/shota characters, or retarded names.
then im on board
>>320783747
>Those are all spinoffs, though.
Dragon Quest IX and X aren't spin offs. They're main series games. A multiplayer focused game and an MMO. Dragon Quest has been changing itself so much that fans are actually in rebellion, demanding more single player 'traditional' games. Which Yuji Horii promises DQXI is going to be.
>>320783903
Admittedly I haven't been keeping up with DQ since after 8, but I knew about all the spinoffs. Didn't know that the main titles were going through a renaissance though. It's kinda hard to miss the loads and loads of spinoffs though.
>>320779203
Given the director wanted the game to be as much Star Ocean 2/3 as possible. I'd say there are fairly decent chances this might be a potentially fantastic game even if it does disappoint some.
Can't wait for it personally. I just hope they don't ruin it again by hiring and localizing with a bunch of shit English voice actors and actresses again. Last Hope's dub job was a work of legend in the worst way possible.
This SO5 trailer has me curious of the whole series
Where should I start and what should I avoid?
>not playing the superior sci-fi JRPG
I feel sorry for you plebians.
>>320784049
And I admittedly don't follow Star Ocean. I was just sharing how the first game was a real turn off. It would be like going to a Star Trek movie, then it turns into a fantasy movie fighting primitive aliens on a fantasy world....
....wait.
>>320784573
Jokes on you I played it.
>>320784145
2 and 3 both had loads of problems anyways so even if SO5 is shit like SO1~4, it'll be okay. You know what you're in for when you get a SO game.
>>320784672
It's alright bro, I was disappointed playing 3 and learning you spend most of the game on undeveloped planets, but that's just how the series is.
>>320784738
Sup assman. About to go to work, just wanted to say hi.
>>320783886
It is obviously going to have all those things.
>>320783886
>Let's hope it doesn't have any stupid plot twists
Its a Tri Ace game. Them and Square are the king of stupid plot twists. That's why they teamed up to make FFXIII-2 and Lightning Returns.
>>320784892
have they revealed a child character or an edge maverick-level name yet?
>>320784847
Hello.
>>320783886
>Let's hope it doesn't have any stupid plot twists, cringeworthy loli/shota characters, or retarded names.
Wait, are we talking about Star Ocean or Xenosaga?
>>320785124
Well the game is Japanese and it is a game known for being cheesy even by Japanese standards so it is best you prepare yourself for all those things or forget about the game right now.
>>320783886
>stupid plot twists
How stupid are we talking here. This IS a animu JRPG after all. I expect dumb twists but entertaining characters.
>cringeworthy loli/shota characters
We've already seen at least one.
>or retarded names
This is the one that really gets my goat. Edge fucking Maverick? Really? Maybe it sounds cool to someone whose grasp of the English language is laughable at best, but for anyone who speaks the language even semi-competently, it's beyond cringe worthy.
>>320785650
>how stupid are we talking
like 'we are in a video game' or 'i just destroyed an entire alternate universe' type shit.
>>320785650
>This IS a animu JRPG after all. I expect dumb twists but entertaining characters.
But not all JRPGs do this. You can like JRPGs and still point out when certain ones have jarring flaws.
Why do people hate SO4? I fucking loved that game man.
>>320782856
Source for that quote?
>>320786789
http://gematsu.com/2015/06/star-ocean-5-producer-something-not-right-star-ocean-4
>>320787986
Thanks
>>320788106
I'm glad this westernization phase of japanese games trying to appeal to the global market is ending.
Japan should make games that appeal to Japan first, that's what theyre good at
>>320788235
>I'm glad this westernization phase of japanese games trying to appeal to the global market is ending.
A few companies are falling back on it. But companies like Square and Tri Ace are doubling down on it even harder.
>>320788235
Focus on what you're good at, and if it's a good product, people will enjoy it.
>>320787986
Is this article seriously trying to convince me that SO4's cast looked the way they did to appeal to Americans?
>>320788850
Yes. They were serious too.
Now laugh at how inept the Japanese are at comprehending the western audience.
Though to be fair, we should be happy they even know we exist. I've read more than a few interviews with game devs in Japan where, when asked about the western fandom, the developer pretty much says 'I had no idea the outside world even existed, let alone liked my game'.
>character's faces in Star Ocean 5
shit, I mean, Xenoblade X has some derpy faces, but this is just god fucking awful.
>story is protecting some downs loli with a special power
Nappy time 'kay
>>320790665
Sounds like Fire Emblem and Xenosaga to me.
>>320790665
Don't bully the qt loli
>>320782756
Well the new trailer shows them leaving the planet what I assume to be early on in the game.
>>320790573
SO5's faces look a hundred times better than the downsies in XCX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNauq6_9iP0
>>320791097
Whatever you say anon. You must like kyoani key uguu shit. You can park a truck between her eyes.
Wallpaper
>>320786485
I agree on the "game" part. The problem is that SO4 is a really good game with a terrible cast of characters. Probably one of the worst cast of characters I've ever had to endure in a JRPG. Youtube literally any cutscene in the entire game and it's damn near unbearable to watch. People shit on Lymle (and rightfully so), but Welch made me envy the deaf. About halfway through the game I couldn't take it anymore, and anytime a cut-scene came on, I just hit mute and read the subtitles.
Didn't help that I had the X-Box version and couldn't even turn the Japanese track on. Though I don't know if it would have helped. It's like someone decided to take only the worst tropes and cliches anime has to offer and create a cast of characters based exclusively on them.
Myuria's about the only tolerable character, and not just because she's a big titty space elf.
>>320791457
The problem is them trying to make an anime style face on a plastic 3D model. When you have a 'curved' surface, the eyes spread out farther. Good studios with lots of money will keep tweaking it until it looks right. But Tri Ace and the Tales teams don't have that kind of time and money. They're making full RPGs on the budget of a fighting game.
>>320793729
I think Tales has got a bit closer to acceptable, particularly for male faces, but their clothing is still pretty simple.
I can't wait for SO5 to blow every other RPG of the past and future 5 years out of the water again when it comes to gameplay and content, as Star Ocean always does.
Also, fuck SO2 elitist fags. The entire series is a masterpiece (except 4, which only has good gameplay, music and environments, everything else being pretty bad)
>>320793969
>this whole post
looks terrible
so fans have terible taste
>>320793729
The girl with the pink hair is literally the only character that looks "off". That's the meme anyway, I think she looks fine. Her eyes are a bit further apart than what is usual, but it's not unheard of. It doesn't bother me.
>Sutā Ōshan Faibu Integuriti ando Feisuresunisu
What the FUCK are you doing Japan?
>>320793969
>The entire series is a masterpiece
That's a bit far anon.
>>320793876
The environments in the latest Tales games are still pretty garbage however. The fan base should expect more.
>>320793515
I loved SO3 Welch, and subsequently hated SO4 Welch.
>>320794689
True, though that's a pretty clear case of p3 limitations. That was not the system to try to build their first large-scale 3d environments on.
>>320794368
I don't know why they do this to themselves. Can't they just have the subtitle in japanese? The guys on stage couldn't pronounce it at all.
>>320780436This looks more interesting than any tales since xillia, I should just skip berseria and head straight into this. Why are they annualizingtales, fuck
>>320795183
>Why are they annualizingtales, fuck
It's always been that. Besides ToD to ToE and ToX to ToZ which had three year gaps each not counting spinoffs.
>>320791457
not an ps2 games for sure that pic
>>320794468
Nah. Star Ocean has a lot of soul and obvious love put into every single aspect of the games.
Check out item creation and all the elements in 2 that got taken out of the PSP, and then PS4 and Vita versions because shit was just too deep and complex. The private actions, dozens of endings in every game. The consistently fantastic gameplay, charming characters and great, original stories. In SO3 there's shit to read and examine in pretty much every room. There's a million paintings each with their own title, a fucklot of lore and background information hidden in books, letters and what have you. Don't forget the encyclopedia in SO3 either with its hundreds of pages of lore. All this gameplay/lore shit you might never even look at or tap into (because it has such depth), that's dedication. That's tri-Ace and Star Ocean quality. That's why it doesn't run on an annual release schedule unlike Tales. (not that Tales is bad)
I don't give a shit if faggots think games like SO can't be masterpieces "cause JRPGs are anime shit that can't be great/deep". I really don't. I can only hope SO5 lives up to the name, unlike 4. This was my face when SO5 was announced, it made my day, my week, and the months leading up to release. Shit's gonna be great.
>>320781507
3 was amazing you pleb.
PC release when?
>>320796089
I get your augment I really do 3 was my first SO game I had no idea it was the third game at the time but anyway. I liked the battle system was good I liked the MP kill mechanic and the crafting. Then I tried SO2 and it's still my favorite of the bunch it's almost if they got everything right about it minus a few things 1's average and 4..let's not talk about that.
>>320796089
i started with Star Ocean 2, but i kinda still like SO3, even after the twist, and that ending theme was worth it, one of my favorite ending themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zRLySWfCAU
>>320797485
Agreed, I love that song.
Everyone seems to be so hung up about the twist in SO3, but it literally means nothing and doesn't change anything about the series at all. It just literally adds another dimension to it.
Initially was interested because of the witch, finding out that the series is from some of the people responsible for the Tales series and the overall look has me looking forward to it. This girl is pretty nice too.
>>320785124
>child character
>>320794308
This character may be a little off too, but yeah, pink hair is definitely the worst offender.
>>320793515
The Japanese voices were more tolerable, but a lot of the tropes were still there. Lymle is still an annoying Rei-esque loli doll for the most part. Most of the other characters are less abrasive. Welch is just as annoying if not more so in Japanese. Still, nothing game breaking compared to most JRPGs.
It's sad, because the combat was pretty solid, and crafting was just as fun as previous games. There were fewer cheap bosses, and you didn't have MP kills making the game too easy.
Really, my only beef with SO4 is story, which is all over the fucking place. It's like watching Star Trek: Enterprise written by a schizophrenic.
Will it have dual audio though?
>>320791457
I already said this over a month ago. They literally tried to go after SO3, but while they should've chosen to replicate Maria Traydor, they went for the wrong shitface because she was the main girl.
>>320800435
I don't like that they have a "mysterious little girl character that needs to be protected". (again?)
I don't like that trope at all. I can't see a way that the inclusion of such an overdone trope and character archetype can end up being interesting or beneficial, but I won't let it cloud my hype for the game. They said SO5 is going to be a game for the now older/mostly adult Star Ocean fans, so hopefully it'll have mature and intelligent story and characters.
I like that the MC has a plausible name again. Fidel Camus is a fucking great name.
It's odd that pink-hair girl in contrast has some sort of Japanese name like Yuki or something, but it's fine.
>>320801256
Are you saying Sophia is not the best girl?
>>320801256
Sophia is a qt!
But Maria, Nel and Mirage are better.
SO3 Welch is also the best Welch!
>>320801468
No, and it literally made no sense for it to be shoehorned in the trio of magic kids like that, they did because muh childhood furiendo.
>>320794308
Pink looks so off is because she was designed by the development team instead of being done by Akiman like the rest of the party.
>>320801493
I especially agree about Welch.
Kinda off-topic but does anyone remember what the SNES RPG (I thought it was Star Ocean, but I guess not) with a red haired character named Mari was? Or maybe it was for PlayStation, fuck if I remember anymore. At this point I'm beginning to think it never happened and she doesn't exist.
I could swear she's a swordsman with amnesia.
>>320801540
>No
>>320782856
Yeah but it sounded like he thinks SO4 was garbage for entirely different reasons than everyone else thinks SO4 was garbage.
So it's back to the same "Only in space for the tutorial mission" shit from SO1-3.
>>320801603
The dev team isn't the first one to come up with a character design with eyes that far apart. Akiman probably wouldn't have done it, but it's a design choice and it doesn't look bad, just unusual.
>>320801606
She's the best. She's super-cute, endearing and uplifting in SO3. SO4 Welch a complete shit. Just another reason why it should never be considered canon.
>>320800513
>Lymle
I just saw how she walked during a cutscene and it was badly adorable.
>>320801880
>>So it's back to the same "Only in space for the tutorial mission" shit from SO1-3.
It looks like it might be a bit different in SO5 since Fidel is originally from an underdeveloped planet just like SO1's protag.
>>320801880
To be fair in SO1 (and 5 unless I'm just wrong) you start off on an underdeveloped planet, because that's where you live. And in SO2 and 3 you don't really start off exploring planets either, but you partake in some sort of space travel in both to be sure.
>>320779203
Favorite game series of all time since i was a wee lad.
played them all. The remake of the SNES one was fucking damn good. Second story will always be my favorite. no not the remake the original.
can't wait to play this one.Kay? good god that little cunt was never in my party
Superior green.
>>320785650
The reality is when they make these games the last thing they care about is if stuff sounds good or not to a native English speaker.
>>320803470
Why on earth would they have two greenhaired girls and not a single blonde or redhead? There are so many colours to choose from. There's two blue haired guys as well.
>>320803470
What do the moon runes say
>>320779203
Will this be on PS3? only seeing pre-orders for PS4.
Don't want to buy a PS4 just for one game to damn poor atm.
>>320803778
in Japan
>>320788850
Well duh they tried to make the models as "realistic" looking as possible to appeal to people that don't buy these games anyway. So glad in the international addition I had 2D portraits and Jap VO made the game tolerable.
>>320803610
They don't like them anymore.
>>320803842
Oh nice thank you anon. Was worried for a second.
>>320803610
Cause it's different.
I'm really excited. SO's one of my favorite RPG series. 4 had it's huge flaws, but I still had a good time with it, and 3's one of my favorite RPGs of all time.
Most worrying thing in SO5, from what we actually know of it, is the character style looks kind of fucked up. Like it's not even an issue of it being some more modernized anime style, but it just looks plain strange. Especially the face on that pink-haired chick in some shots. It's like some shitty mix between chibi and "normal" styles. But then some like that green-haired rogue-ish chick look alright, so I don't know.
>>320803470
She is pretty good
>>320804025
You realize he meant it's on PS3 in japan only, not PS4, right?
>>320806659
Fuck that killed my interest completely, Thanks for conforming it though. Would have sucked if I noticed much later.
>>320782368
As a franchise DQ is only a few months older than FF for example. It didn't "establish" anything; it was just a part of the general JRPG trend at the time.
>>320779203
I just want the story and characters to NOT make me want to kill every living thing on earth. SO4 was physically painful to endure.
>>320807090
>not having a ps4 on 2016
you dont seriously believe that bloodborne machine meme right?
>>320803610
Victor is the hot blonde of this game.
>>320807090
>buying the last gen version when the game is PS3/PS4
>ever
There's a reason why the last gen sales have fallen off the cliff in the last few months.
>>320809293
People on 4chan are incredibly poor. Owning a modern gen console is way outside their budgets. Especially when they can't crack it and play games free like they do on their budget laptops their mom's gave them.
>>320809293
>>320809635
>justifying their purchase of the remasterstation4
it might be worth it in 2016
>>320809846
I'm sorry I'm enjoying my PS4. I'll try to enjoy it less if it will make you happy.
