Why won't you admit it's the better game?
Promotes Footsies
Rewards smart play, unlike melee/pm where people could dash attack and start ToD combos
More character variety (all are viable, shiek/zss is just most used
Defensive play is actually viable now
Has CLOUD from FF7
Has Bayonetta from Bayonetta
Just buy this game already
> all are viable
>zelda, jigglypuff, and ganon exist
Almost nothing is safe on shield skewing the game towards defensive play
>>320746429
I sold my copy after the last direct.
>defensive play is a good thing
Definitely a Tr4sh babby
OH BOY YOU MEAN ZSS/SHEIK ARE MORE FAIR THEN FOX/FALCO?
WOWIE!
>>320746628
This
>>320746628
Do you also cry about Street Fighter 4 when you can't constantly stay on the aggressive cause of reversal dps? Lmao
>>320746429
>Defensive play is actually viable now
>implying this is a good thing
Yeah it's so much fun chasing people around the stage, especially when both players are using slow characters.
>>320746612
>selling games
Here is your 2$ coupon
>>320746429
because it isn't better in anything other than roster. the game modes are mostly garbage and the physics engine is worse than brawl other than no tripping.
the only merit to this game is playing multiplayer with friends in the normal multiplayer mode and that gets boring after a while.
>>320746759
I traded it for a burger and coke.
Sucker got ripped off.
>>320746429
Because I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't suck Sakurais dick and I'm not about to start now.
>All are viable
>Samus
Yeah, I wish.
>Just buy the game, save our dead console!
Fuck off NoA.
>>320746715
There's a reason why Capcom is moving away from IV's gameplay, it was trash
>>320746903
Oh fucking what? Bitching about Sakurai has been chic here for fucking ages now. You're just like everyone else
>>320746612
>>320746903
Is Samus not "viable" for tournament play?
I going to my first tournament in January and planned on maining her or ROB. Aside from her painfully slow grab I don't know why shes bad.
>>320747089
You're trash
nah i am not a neo nintendoer who consumes products without thinking and refuses to criticize problems with current games. i actually want good gameplay and challenge and reward in the games i play.
>>320746670
Because shine ToD combos are sooo fair and exciting right?
>>320746429
>Defensive play is actually viable now
It is the only thing that ever happens.
>>320747249
>I'm a shitter that can only play games skewed heavily towards defensive options
>>320747230
lol what kind of autism does it take to make an image like it
I like Smash 4 but the slow, defensive characters make it boring. It's only fun when both players are using aggressive, moderate to fast characters.
>that guy who shamelessly uses slow, defensive characters and just avoids you the whole time, even when playing in person
>>320747231
Almost all of her buttons are trash (the game even TELLS you some of them are trash), Missiles are far too slow to apply any sort of meaningful pressure, her air game is probably her best area and even that is middle of the road. Samus is unfortunately pretty Garbo in Smash 4.
>>320746429
Because it's for children?
>>320747407
>I can only play mindless mashers like melee and third strike that reward muscle memory and execution rather than mind games and strategy
get out of here scrub
>>320746429
If I wanted to play footsies I would play SF
>>320747407
People learned how to apply strong pressure despite all of the defensive options in SFIV ages ago, stop living in 2010.
>>320747601
>Mind games and strategy
I didn't know holding back and baiting opponents to make the first move was the pinnacle of mind games and strategy
>>320747343
>Getting ToD in Melee
Literally kill yourself.
My main issue is no one fucking knows the neutral game. The opponent's always dashing and trying to bait you into grabs so they can pull off their character's grab combo, and because shield grabs are so fucking safe to pull off it slows the whole match down.
>>320747343
I don't think youve ever played or seen melee at a competitive level
>>320747906
Play Bowser and side B. That'll get the shitters out of shield quick.
>>320747785
Then why are they moving away from IV's gameplay with V?
>>320747456
See that's why I love Mac, even if he's bad. He's super aggressive, keeps people from sitting back on their asses.
>>320748014
Because they wanted to try something new after almost eight years?
>>320746429
>DLC content
hey, there it's why is not!
>>320747601
Aside from a few well known combos, most of the shit in Melee is highly improvised.
Over 10% of the characters locked behind a paywall.
Did you ever think you'd see the day Nintendo would go down this path.
It's basically just paying $60 for the game, then $40 for all the characters. So you're basically just paying $100 for the game. It's one of the few games that's worth it, frankly.
>>320747906
>Having problem with Dashers
Short hops beat those fuckers all day every day, you just need to use some priority. Unless of cour they are spamming armored shit, then you need to bait them into grabs or making them whiff.
>>320748790
>It's one of the few games that's worth it, frankly.
Nigga you stupid as fuck.
>>320748960
For paying $100 for a really good game? It's worth it, deal with it
>>320749027
So this is the Sunk Cost fallacy at work - delusionally defending a boring shitty game because you wasted 100$ on it
>>320749448
You did it too. The only difference is that I think I made a good decision (which, I know you've already asserted that that's simply an impossible position to hold, but still.) while you think you've made a bad one.
If I don't agree with you that I've made a bad decision and I have no control over my actions or something, then I'm "stupid as fuck". Your whole argument is a fucking joke and you're an idiot.
>>320749724
I wasn't stupid enough to pay 80% of the base game cost on 10% of the final game nigga.
I didn't try to pretend that Smash 4 was anything beyond trash because of Sunk Costs, memes or nostalgia. You -are- stupid as fuck and have made a terrible decision.
>>320748419
why did you think i stopped getting nintendo games after the wii came out
i would not pay 10 dollars for tr4sh it is only worth .25
>>320750450
>implying it's worth your time
>>320750569
i think nintendo deserves .25 for how much thought and complexity they put in the game
>>320747230
>not having the roster unlocked
>>320747436
it's called havig fun anon
>calling anyone autistic when you're in /v/
top kek choose your never ever
>>320747230
Outdated image
>>320750835
Goku should be replaced with Paper Mario
>>320750304
Not him but, I've sunken about 800 hours to Smash Wii U which the experience itself has included tourney-fagging, casual play, 8 player smash with friends, taking screenshots, the (shit) single player modes, stage building, mii making and trophy collecting, and I bought the DLC because I like new movesets and more options to play as its been fun
>inb4 artificial fun casual
>>320750835
shovel knight aint shit
isaac from binding of isaac would be better
>>320751171
And some people put 800 hours into virtual train simulators
>>320750450
>WAHH I DONT LIKE IT SO ITS TRASH
>>320746429
>All are viable
>Jiggs, Palutena, Ganon, Zelda, Duck Hunt
That's a laff son. Unless you meant only for casuals.
>Get matched up with Sheik or some other higher speed character
>Just put the controller down because it is now literally impossible to win unless that player is a complete shitter.
I get that its a party game and you should expect balance issues, but this is ridiculous.
>>320746429
It's a great game, the only ones butthurt are tourneyfags and "serious" player and their opinions don't mean anything anyway
So how much does it cost to buy Smash 4 with all the DLC (not counting Amiibos), and how much memory does the off-disc content take up?
>>320751302
Your point being?
people put more time in truck simulators due to its comfyness
>>320751432
>smash 4 is too hard for melee shitterss
no wonder you glorify a random button masher
>>320751432
Sounds like youre just bad
>>320751767
Its not a matter of hard, it's a matter of an unfair advantage.
>>320746429
>All are viable
You don't need to blatantly lie.
>>320751432
That's a problem in melee, that isn't really a problem in sm4sh. Mew2king is literally playing and winning with donkey kong. Peach won a grand final.
Why do people insist on just talking out of their ass when they don't even know what they are talking about?
>>320746429
>pick cloud
>go online
>hit people three times and then wait for Finishing Touch to be available
>roll around constantly doing nothing but waiting to catch you off guard to FT your stock
nobody doesn't do this
>>320751918
Speedsters have insane recovery. They can attack, roll and fireball in the time it takes normal weight characters to throw a single punch. It's blatant cheating. The only way to beat them is to be a wizard who perfectly predicts their every input
>>320751864
yeah, this isn't melee where all characters are sonic speed and play the same
in smash 4 characters have variety and you have to learn how to play properly each type and think every move instead of being the fastest to attack
Where the fuck is the /v/eekend?
>>320752158
I have no interest in defending other smash titles. There is nothing wrong with character types and advantages. This however is an unfair advantage.
She's a cute. CUUUTTEEE!!!
>>320752158
your posting that picture but praising the easiest smash
get the fuck out hypocrite
>>320746715
Reversal DPs aren't that hard to deal with if you ever knew the basics from previous games.
Safejumping was not invented with 4.
>>320752158
Shiek has a clear advantage in all areas over most characters. In frame data, punishes, approaching, camping, everything. The only reason ZSS can really compete is because her punish game is better for getting early KO's.
>play Ganon online
>get matched up with some Shiek asshole
>on fucking 75m the worst stage
>2 minutes of this asshole running away
>>320752470
>Easiest Smash
That is not Brawl.
Not that Smash 4 is much harder but Brawl had even less shit to learn.
>>320752562
git gud scrub
>>320752826
I main Shiek lmao
>>320752637
since tr4sh was like brawl does that not mean you had even less to learn
I wish shulk was good
I have this friend that mains Link. The 1v1 are great. Because we are using characters that require both strategy to keep pressure throwing the boomerang, arrow, etc; and reflexes. But thats were the problem radicates, not everybody is willing to play with someone agressive like Mac or Sonic.
(Yes. Toon Link fag here)
>>320752997He is
>>320747089
I've seen countless people praise IV's gameplay style. Shut the fuck up.
>>320751549
The off disc content is already installed in each patch, so each dlc character would only be a few kbs to unlock it
>>320752997
He's better after the buffs. Not a god, but noticeably better.
>>320751432
You sound like a faggot. Who's your main?
>>320752997
His damage overall was buffed recently, you have to abuse his superior range.
>you mained Sonic in Brawl
>you main him in Sm4sh
>since he's good now everyone assumes you're a fag
I just wanted to play as Sonic, man.
>>320753413
No one like's playing against keep away characters
>>320751302
great argument you sure showed me
>>320752924
Smash 4 has more mechanics to learn.
As in it has some combos.
Brawl has literally no combos and the game was not designed around it.
It also removed things like dash dancing.
Like I said it is not a lot more to learn, but these are some things Brawl did not have.
Brawl is undeniably the simplest Smash game.
This does not excuse Smash 4 for being simple.
Only that it's not as simple as Brawl.
>>320753413
Abuse your speed and agility to relentless attack and pressure me, and we can talk.
But don't be a stage hopping bitch.
>>320753413
You're telling me
I've been playing as Shiek since Melee and all I get is shitflinging.
>>320754072
There's no reason to play Shiek other than the fact that she's top tier.
Don't try to tell me you actually like her as a character, because that's bullshit.
>>320753413
If you like Sonic after over a decade of shit games then yes, you're a fag.
At least embrace it.
>>320753413
What makes me upset about sonic, is less that he's good, but more that the only reason he's good is because everyone else was gimped to hell.
>>320754230
I liked zipping around the stage with her in Melee, I've always found fast ninja type characters fun to play as.
Combine that with the fact that I'm a loyalist when it comes to sticking with characters and there you have it.
>>320754020
>implying I stage hop
I'm gonna homing attack and spin dash the shit out of you, senpai. I whoop ass with Sonic. I don't play keep away.
>>320754493
If Shiek wasn't as good as she was in Melee then you wouldn't have wound up maining her.
Prove me wrong.
>>320746429
>Defensive play is actually viable now
Peach and Jigglypuff don't exist in Melee? Not to mention defensive options are a huge cornerstone of competitive play, they just don't revolve around it.
>>320746510
You forgot to mention Ike. But that's ok, everyone forgets about Ike ;_;
>>320754774
b8
Ike made top 8 at last major
>>320754640
I've no idea what you're trying to say right now.
If Shiek was an entirely different character then maybe I would choose someone else but if she was the same fast character but not as good then yeah I would.
>>320754774
>Still thinking Ike is bad
Nigga, Ike got more buffs than any other character had across all patches, several patches in a row. He's borderline viable.
>>320754774
Ike is literally the best sword user and the best heavyweight in the game. Ryo absolutely destroys with him, and he's easily a high tier character after all his buffs. Where have you been?
I think you mean
>shield regenerates at an extremely fast rate
>shield moving barely has an effect on gameplay anymore
>dodging is nearly broken in this game, can dodge across the stage
>almost impossible to properly punish
>edgehogging now literally impossible
>fast characters are still S-tier
>characters will actual interesting gamepaly mechanics (Duck Hunt, Jigglypuff) are all shit tier
>no reason to use anyone else besides Sheik, Zero Suit, or Rosalina unless you're just playing casually
>>320755143
>Ike is literally the best sword user and the best heavyweight in the game.
Lets not forget Ryu is heavy and Captain Falcon is about as heavy as Dorf when you factor in fall speed and air control.
>>320755254
>Duck Hunt
>shit tier
Not when everyone complains about him. I mained Duck Hunt day one before I found out people hated him and thought he was good.
>>320755143
Ryu is way better imo
>>320755760
>Difficulty
>Max
Are we measuring skill ceiling or floor here?
Cause his floor is pretty low
>>320755143
That's not MetaKnight
>>320755760
Where do you get these gay charts from?
>>320755967
>>320755967
IDKTBH
>>320756001
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4
>>320755997
Daggers aren't swords
>>320755967
Here's Falcon you tell me.
Sorry man, I don't buy character selection screen simulators.
>>320756145
I'm pretty sure Metaknight weilds a sword.
SOMEONE MAKE A FUCKING /v/EEKEND
>>320747186
Don't know what threads you roam but all I ever see is BTFO and salt since the direct. That's all anyone cares about. Sakurai can do anything and his droves of dicksuckers will ensure that he keeps doing everything wrong because they outweigh the naysayers.
>>320755254
>almost impossible to properly punish
Only remotely true online, if you can't properly punish offline then you're just bad
>edgehogging now literally impossible
Good, it was a shit mechanic
>fast characters are still S-tier
Given that Smash places a pretty high focus on mobility, this is always going to be the case
>no reason to use anyone else besides Sheik, Zero Suit, or Rosalina unless you're just playing casually
This applies to all of the previous games too, man
I agree with everything else tho
>>320756429
Wait until later tonight, you can lose then instead of now.
>>320751171
8 player smash alone makes it the best game. It's a shame the iceclimbers had to be cut. I was hoping that maybe the new 3ds would be able to handle them and they'd get back in.
>>320756537
Sup, Kuck rool fag? Still back bothered about the final roster?
>>320756623
>Given that Smash places a pretty high focus on mobility, this is always going to be the case
Smash being about "mobility" isn't necessarily a good thing. Mobile characters should be about "mobility," stationary characters (Duck Hunt for example) should be able to zone and prevent others from doing things on an equal playing field.
>>320756706
Thanks for proving the point. Remember, don't complain about anything in Smash 5 because this is what you wanted.
>>320756823
This is why I'm glad Bowsers upb is better. I don't think it's broken as people say, but he has a better tool now that he really needed. The heavy slow characters need tools like this. Diddy did not fucking need such an insane hoo-ha for example since he's already fast.
>>320746715
Even 09er 4 players hate 4. Stop acting like you know shit.
>>320756537
>4 content over
>People already making 5 threads
These people are slaves to new content and "hype". Not overall quality. The same people that probably loved Brawl but hate it now just because 4 is out and it's newer.
>pick Yoshi just to counter dashing
>>320746510
>Ganon
>Not viable
the russ my friends
>>320751767
Where in his post did he mention Melee you fucking mouth breather?
>>320757590
I wouldn't be surprised if they continue releasing shitty mii costumes for Smash 4 well after Bayonetta releases because people will gobble it up. Shit's retarded.
>>320751748
His point is that for every for every single 1$ he expended he got between 70-90 hours of entertainment, kinda hard to miss.
>>320746429
>(all are viable, shiek/zss is just most used
>>320758000
They said the costumes they showed during the Direct were the final ones, pay attention
>mfw kroolfags btfo
>mfw furfags btfo
>mfw banana goombafags btfo and cry sakurai bias
>mfw indie genie cocksuckers btfo
>mfw shovelfags btfo
>mfw ridleyfags btfo
>mfw gokufags btfo
>mfw meleefags are still a thing
>mfw my moves kill these fags with their own tears
>>320758316
Sakurai crotch felaters cannot be reasoned with. Don't try.
>>320758451
>Sucking Sakurai this hard.
And people wonder why Smash is such a pile of shit now.
All the people saying brawl is easier than smash 4 need to sell their copy's of smash 4
Brawl had way more to learn, smash 4 is a watered down brawl with less tripping, and flowchart playstyle.
Each game is fun, but you are retarded if you think smash 4 gameplay is better than melee's, even 64's is better. Brawl even had dacus, glide tossing and other things.
Smash 4 is basically shield grab/bait, flowchart string the game.
And no, i'm not hating, just stating facts.
>inb4 you suck at the game
Nah i think playing since 64 has got me covered
>>320749027
It's a fine game, and a bad smash game. For me, it's not worth $100, but I haven't spent more than 20 dollars on a game since 2010 or so anyway.
>Defensive play is actually viable now
ruse cruizing rofl
>>320756429
>>320758604
Here you go
>reacting is rewarded instead of acting
>the entire rage mechanic is a lazy slapjob way of "balancing" characters creating the illusion of competitiveness
>you can recover from literally anywhere
>moves go stale
>spiking and highlight reel plays in general are worthless, everybody has to go to kill % before they can die, so there are no big plays
These are the problems I have with 4.
>>320756623
>Good it was a shit mechanic
Found the casual, you do realize if it kept it, smash 4 matches would be even faster? There would be more options in the ledge game, trumping doesn't mean shit when buffer exists, its basically pointless.
Most of the time if you gimp someone its a rare as hell read or the player is just bad, thats boring desu
>>320753971
Anon, please. As far as universal basics go Brawl had more tricks and unintended techniques that were never patched out by the devs that a good player was expected to learn, such as DACUS and various forms of DI and momentum canceling (yes, DI still exists, but its effects are drastically lessened). Just because the game has very few guaranteed combos doesn't make it unimportant to learn what kind of situations (advantage or disadvantage) and *potential* followups certain moves can lead to, which is analogous to learning combos. Smash 4 still has more things for a player to learn simply because of the sheer amount of character matchups a player can expect to run into, but don't act like the mechanics universal to all didn't get simplified even further from Brawl.
>>320757813
it's obvious, like when someone talks about rape culture and you know no one but a feminist would say that shit
>>320754774
>Ike
>bad
Are you playing on day 1 patch or something?
>>320757798
Get out memer
Ultimately, my biggest problems with Smash 4 are the total lack of even a token single player experience and the fact that it was split up into two games.
I think everyone can agree that Subspace Emissary was kinda "meh" in hindsight, and Smash Run/Master Fortress were neat, but the fact that this game didn't have an "Adventure" Mode was disappointing. And I found myself not playing the console version of Smash nearly as much as I did Melee and Brawl because I had sated myself on the 3DS version.
All that being said, 4 has Mega Man so it's objectively the best game in the series.
>>320760413
>total lack of even a token single player experience
Super Smash Bros. was never about that. Ever.
> and the fact that it was split up into two games
Super Smash Bros. on the 3ds was the best thing that could happen to my 3ds. SSB everywhere, anytime.
>>320760413
Pretty much.
Singleplayer is so utterly boring and getting all the trophies and special moves is just eternal grind. Meh.
ITT: People mad cause they bad.
Those that are skilled/good: Like Smash 4
Those that are trash: hate smash 4
>>320760687
>Super Smash Bros. was never about that. Ever.
I'm aware. That's why I said "token".
Melee's Adventure mode was perfect, you have a handful of stages from across most of the represented series and it doesn't feel like the arcade mode grind of classic mod, but 4 doesn't even have that much.
>SSB everywhere, anytime.
Which seemed great at first but I eventually realized that in virtually any situation where I would be able to get together with my friends, we would have access to the objectively superior console version.
>>320760884
Found the retard
That doesn't correlate to anything, i can kick your ass right now and still can say bad things about the game you blind shit eater
>>320760413
I'm a huge Mega Manfag and even I can't say it's a good game. More power to you though if you main him well.
Melee faggots need to fuck off and adapt to Smash 4.
They're holding back the metagame of Sm4sh. It would be just as deep as Melee is now if they just quit splintering the community and united to find the kind of bugs/exploits they wanted.
Frankly they can all fuckthemselves, they're just too stupid to appreciate the masterpiece that is smash 4.
>>320761464
>As deep as melee
Fucking lmao, even if everyone played 4 it wouldnt get as deep, quit being delusional
And this is coming from someone that doesn't prefer melee and likes them all you shitposter
>>320761735
>Fucking lmao, even if everyone played 4 it wouldnt get as deep, quit being delusional
Lovin' every laugh. How do you know? Do you have a time machine to the timeline where Melee babies quit being whimpering little shits and adapted to the great game Nintendo gave them?
Of course not. I'll go as far as to say that Sm4sh is the deepest smash game to date. Only a retarded loser would disagree.
Prove me wrong, you can't.
>>320761464
Yeah because all the exploits found in Brawl totally made it a better game. I also don't see how someone not playing the game holds back the metagame. Find shit out on your own with your own players.
>>320761846
Oh it's funposting.
>>320760413
What makes matters worse is the way they take away player agency in how they want to play the modes that are in the games.
Smash Run would be way more fun if there were customization options tied into it, choosing what kind of mini games you wanted at the end, how many, and when you wanted to stop.
Hell, even add the Smash Run modes to hte Special match tab in Smash mode.
Also, how janky is the main menu? In both the games the single player mode is hidden in a weirdly placed and named tab, while in the Wii U version the horrible board game experience is disgustingly prominent.
>>320761846
Look at the mechanics themselves, you're retarded if you think you'll start air dashing all of a sudden, its about reads, winning, neutral, and so on. The movement options are gone for one thing, its more simplified than brawl.
You can't prove it either way you hypothetical faggot, if you aren't good at every smash then get out of my face
>>320762079
>Look at the mechanics themselves, you're retarded if you think you'll start air dashing all of a sudden, its about reads, winning, neutral, and so on.
Lel, who the fuck cares? Are you one of those dumb faggots that give shitty metagame reasons as to why a game is good or bad?
>THE META MAN IT'S ABOUT THE META I AM METAMAN
Fucking laugh.
It's new, it's shiny, and it has lots of characters. That's all anyone should want. If you want more metagame reasons, then fucking play the game and find those metagame reasons instead of bitching on /v/ that you're too addicted to Melee cock to adapt to the new age.
>>320762039
Brawl WAS a better game, though. I wish Sm4sh was more like Brawl.
>>320762320
Okay you're retarded, I told you I have the game, and you think I just bitch about them on /v/ all day.
I'm good at every smash, and I know smash 4's flaws, its strengths are in the roster, but 1 v 1's are boring as hell. And its a fighting game, i would look at the mechanics as I do any fighter
Continue to eat shit though you fucking scrub, I suggest you learn about life more cause you sound like an underage faggot, i'm out
>>320763214
>Okay you're retarded, I told you I have the game, and you think I just bitch about them on /v/ all day.
Good, I wish meleefags would join up too
>I'm good at every smash, and I know smash 4's flaws, its strengths are in the roster, but 1 v 1's are boring as hell. And its a fighting game, i would look at the mechanics as I do any fighter
>fighting game
Well there goes your credibility right away.
It isn't for 1v1s. That's just one little slice in a huge sandwich that is Smash 4. You can do 1v1s, and it has some of the best 1v1 gameplay even compared to Melee. But you're playing Smash 4 and wanting melee.
Smash 4 is already perfect in terms of gameplay and presentation. 1v1s are good.
You have like thirty characters to choose from, how could 1v1 not be good?
>>320763214
i bet you play with items off
Am I the only person who enjoyed Subspace Emissary until the great maze?
Better story mode then tr4sh at least.
>>320751432
What a faggot. If you are going to lose because you are a shitter, at least have the balls to fight back.
>>320763625
It was fun sorely because of the cutscenes made me feels the way I felt when I played with action figures.
>58 character an none of the to use in a worthy story mode.
S.M.H
>>320763595
I play with however I feel like, that's the beauty of smash
But to answer I sometimes fuck around with smashballs and pokemon wars, just cause someone is competitive doesn't mean they don't do this
>>320763625
I didn't enjoy it, honestly. The gravity and movement physics in Brawl don't feel nearly tight enough to make it a satisfying platformer, which is want SSE wants to be when it isn't locking you in corridors with enemies you have to fight. The Great Maze wasn't even the only semi-linear level that could lead to frustrated wandering around, though it was the most obvious example.
>>320764047
then they should stop and go back to guilty gear because fucking around is what the game is now.
we don't want the competitive kind anymore. If you spend more than a few hours a day playing this game you are mentally ill.
>>320747343
>ToD
>Melee
Learn to DI.
>>320764212
I play all fighters so don't worry about me
>Says to play the game more
>Says to not play the game how i want to
What do truly want you tsun? I'm not playing it right now so check that off your list as well
>>320764017
>Those aerial scenes with Starfox and the Halberd
I know what you mean
>>320746429
>All are viable
>Smash 4 Ganon in the same game as Smash 4 Shiek
Yeah alright OP jog on m8
>>320746429
>2015
720p the power of the Wiiu
>>320746429
The stage selection is shit.
The stage hazards are shit.
Omega modes are shit.
Clones are shit.
The menu design/layout is shit.
The lack of an adventure mode is shit.
The classic mode isn't even classic mode, it's a shit excuse to force 8 player smash.
The lack of a proper Break the Targets is shit.
The angry bird style replacement is shit.
Infinite air dodges are shit.
Shit items.
The lack of falling blocks and treadmills in stage creator is shit.
Smash Tour is the very epitome of shit.
Being unable to use multi-character stock outside of Smash Tour is shit.
Having saved replays be corrupted after every update is shit.
I don't even give a shit about "competitive" smash or "meta" or whatever. These are all legitimate reasons why this game is a disappointment.
This is literally nothing more than a filler game cranked out for an under-performing console and hampered further by the 3DS release.
>>320764748
>2015
0 fps Fallout 4 the power of the Xbone
>>320764930
>The stage selection is shit.
Yes
>The stage hazards are shit.
Yes
>Omega modes are shit.
Meh. If they added a battlefield layout option for the every stage, this wouldn't be so bad. But since they will never do this, yes.
>Clones are shit.
Yes.
>The menu design/layout is shit.
YES.
>The lack of an adventure mode is shit.
YES YES
>The classic mode isn't even classic mode, it's a shit excuse to force 8 player smash.
YES YES YES
>The lack of a proper Break the Targets is shit.
KEEP ON GOING
>The angry bird style replacement is shit.
YOU ARE DOING IT
>Infinite air dodges are shit.
OH MAN THERE IS NO END TO THIS
>Shit items.
WELL IS THERE?
>The lack of falling blocks and treadmills in stage creator is shit.
Might as well say stage selector sucks overall.
>Smash Tour is the very epitome of shit.
THE HUMANITY
>Being unable to use multi-character stock outside of Smash Tour is shit.
HURT ME
>Having saved replays be corrupted after every update is shit.
HURT ME MORE
Sm4sh is my favorite one, and is one of my favorite fighting games, but I have to agree with this list.
You also forgot
>Shields regenerating fully within less than 10 seconds is shit
>>320765006
like i give a shit u kek
>>320765959
would it really have killed them to add a battlefield mode along side omegas?
just make generic platforms and stick 3 of them on to make spam and meaty nair spam less annoying
>People like op actually think defensive play isn't rewarded in Melee
>>320767728
You have to keep in mind these are the same retards who don't know that wavedash back+punish exist.
you can't multishine, wave dash or moon walk
how are you supposed to swag with no multishine, wave dash or moon walk
shit game
Defensive play is too strong in sm4sh making the game boring, add in the only "combos" in the game consist of 2 hit combos and the first one being a fucking throw
Game is utter trash and boring
>>320768268
>cant exploit bugs and glitches so its a shit game
Kill yourself
Why do people want Paper Mario to be a playable character?
>>320769296
personally I think he'd be a better alternative to Doc for 5
Mario should go the PM route and take the best of both characters and make Doc a costume while Paper Mario becomes a semi-clone or a completely new character
>>320769115
>i don't understand what they are so i'll just call them bugs.
Smash 4 players, everybody
>>320769641
You realize Sakurai himself said Melee was an abomination right?
>>320769115
Nigga you cant even dash dance in smash 4
>>320746872
You fucking piece of shit!! That was Kobe beef and real sugar. I can still have fond memories of that burger, but I don't even want it back because it'd be a slightly less stinky pile of shit than this fucking optical disc you gave me.
At least you can add bacon and ranch for micro transactions when all I have are more swords and costumes.
>>320769528
I don't think either should be in the game desu. I can't see Paper Mario being a thing.
>>320769780
>>320769780
Well Sakurai wanted people to firefox as a combo finisher. That should tell you something.
>>320769780
The team knew about wave dashing and the other mechanics while they were creating it.
>>320769780
Actually in an interview he said the opposite
>"Greatest creation"
Just saying
>>320746429
Dante from Devil May Cry when?
>>320770817
>>320770978
gay nigger
>>320747260
>gameplay and challenge and reward in the games i play.
Then what are you doing playing Nintendo games?
>>320746429
Better than what, Brawl? I suppose.
>>320771524
not even
