This is still the best mainline Final Fantasy and probably won't ever be surpassed. The only game in its league is FFVI.
not even as good as 9
It has the best cinematography and presentation, which is kind of embarrassing since they've had over seven games to one up it in that department.
Otherwise it's about as bog standard as Golden Sun. Final Fantasy has never been great, just good at best.
FFXII IZJS objectively has the best mechanics of any mainline FF.
>>320733271
9 moves at a glacial speed, drops most of its cast by Disc 3 and is the least interesting game mechanically since FFIV.
I like it but I don't really get why anyone places it at the top besides its great presentation and the early bits of the game where it's utilizing the Quick Time Events to flesh out the party dynamic, a feature I'm shocked never came back.
>>320734237
>Otherwise it's about as bog standard as Golden Sun.
Final Fantasy is the definitive entry level RPG series but lets not go overboard.
It's fucking impossible to be as utterly generic as Golden Sun.
>>320734340
my african american
>>320733169
>How to spot a FF7 baby.
Well at least you're not one of those FF8 babies that pretend their game is not total shit.
>>320733169
Then why did I enjoy FF4Ds and FF6 but get utterly bored playing this and give up after the whore adventure and then mostly enjoy FF9?
>>320734451
I only say that because most of 7 is just "dude contemporary anime/pop culture lol." It honestly takes slightly less effort than making a good but simple game like 5.And Golden Sun, despite its unrepentant generic qualities, has a far better and more consistent atmosphere overall. Midgar is miles above it, as are a few other locations, but Golden Sun as a whole nails it better than a little over half of FF7. Just wish there was an actual plot and more than half of the NPCs had anything worthwhile/charming to say...
>>320734513
FF7 was not my first FF. My first was a fan translation of 5, then 10, then 6 then 8 and 9 and then 7. I still say 7 is the best.
>>320734651
I yearn for the day when the majority accept 4DS as the definitive edition of the game instead of trying to pass off the PSP version as worth a damn just because it's 2D and has two terrible add-ons.GBA's the best remake of the original, in terms of being as close to the JP SNES version as possible, and definitely worth playing if you want to know how mediocre but influential 4 was on release.
>>320734513
ff8 and ff12 are the best in series, your favorite ff sucks
>>320734451
Alright, but it is still better than 7.
>>320733169
FF9 is better but ignored because it's far less edgy and wasn't the first 3D FF.
>>320734451
>tfw 9 and 4 are my favorites because I prefer set classes
I enjoy all the titles to some extent though so I dont particularly mind customization it just requires me to build my own classes but that doesnt work to well on 3 6 7 and sorta 12.
>>320733169
Storywise it's definitely up there
I love the materia system even its lore on why it exists unlike "hur hur we junction monsters that eat our memory" wtf is that?
this was so unique because it was a successful modern take on a fantasy genre. FF8 failed to do so, FF13 tried its best.
8 and 9 could have both been better than 7 , but 9 drops half its characters by the end and 8 is a mess.>>320735104
>>320735059
8 is a weird experimental game that isn't really all that great, but at least it's not 13, 10, or the original versions of 2 and 4.
>>320733169
7 had a more interesting world and tone, but 6 was more fun thanks to the unique attacks for each character and quite possibly has the better story. Can't really pick a favorite.
>>320735240
>9 drops half its characters by the end
Because Red, Cait Sith and Yuffie are so relevant in the story after their specific events.
>>320735059
>FF12
>Let's make a game where the main villain has zero interaction with the characters until 95% of the way through
>Let's make a game where the main villain does almost nothing for the first 60% of the game so we're just told about how brilliant he is
>Let's make a game where every character is mechanically identical from the get-go, instead of like FFX where you have to purposefully make them mechanically identical, to the point where the rerelease changes the level-up system entirely
>Let's make a game where literally half of the playable cast is pointless and just stands in the background of cutscenes saying and doing nothing
>Let's make a game where the only characters with any levity are Balthier and Cid, making everyone else brutally boring
>Let's make a game where the battle system's main gimmick is not to play the game
>Let's make a game focused around complex politics without having the talent for cool plot twists like something like ASoFaI
>Let's make a game where we have to be constantly told how Ashe is too power-hungry instead of showing her perform questionable actions because it would be hard to write that way
>>320735240
Fair enough about dropping half the characters. I was pissed Freyas story just kind of ends without any real closure.
I'm genuinely curious as to what people find in 7 that the other ps1 era FF are lacking...
I thought it was alright, but I thought it had a much weaker final act than 8 or 9. Jenova was a much more compelling antagonist than Sephiroth, who just seemed to be coo-coo for the sake of it.
Who's team FF4 here?
4, 6 and 8 has better story
7 is just better presentation and characters
also, why no love for 12? I've yet to meet a single person that claims 12 as their favorite.
>>320735310
10 was also very good it doesn't deserve to be on the same sentence as ff 13,2,11 and14.
>>320734340
Fuck yes it does
FF7 is overhyped garbage. It's the edgiest of the series and everyone who likes it just can't see it somehow.
I like 12 the best
But FF is one of those series where the spinoffs completely shit on the main games. A lot like Pokemon
>>320735445
To be fair, a lot of that is because of the huge production shuffle halfway in and the replacement directors being shit.
>>320735445
>>Let's make a game where every character is mechanically identical from the get-go
Play IZJS you cuck.
FFV is the best.
Dragon Quest is better jbh (just being honest).
>>320735531
Like i said >>320735059
8 and 12 are my favorite ff fames.
>>320735485
Presentation, atmosphere, levity, and interesting characters
>>320735509
I didn't realize Cid was that short. Also FuSoYa isn't in that image. Also Cecil is a huge prettyboy.
>>320735754
This nigga gets it
>>320735441
Cait sith became their inside guy for shinra corp he's is just a puppet the puppter is on midgard, red because of his grandfather that died and wants him to save the world.
When you think about it the core of the story is an environmental one about the abuse of earths resources.
I can't remember that much.
yuffie is a optional character.
>>320735441
Fair enough , but they could have learned from that and tried not to repeat it , for what its worth I liked the cast of FF9 much more.
>>320735485
Jenova is what makes Sephiroth coo-coo. Jenova has an effect on every person that gets injected with her cells. Sephiroth fell victim to it, but Cloud was able to overcome it.
>>320735787
I don't think there's a single FF between 4 and 10 that doesn't have those things.
>>320735561
>10
>Very good
Tidus and Jecht were well written characters and the first hour was structured very well.
The rest of the game is pretty fucking bad, especially the core cast. Rikku's pretty much the only one who even approached being a character, but she was pushed mostly into the latter part of the game because her existence made the story less easy to write and fuck character complexity and not working on a cookie cutter writing guide.
>>320735531
12 is my favorite anon.
I prefer the Final Fantasies that have job systems, but I have to admit FFVII is probably the game where I actually remember the plot and characters, and it has great music and so on.
>>320735485
I hated 8s mechanics. Drawing magic, swapping GFs, it was just unfun to me.
FF9 is my favorite FF though. Six and Four are up there too. I need to try and get into FFV again some time. I think I beat but it never grabbed me I guess so I just don't remember anything from it.
>>320735531
12 had flaws but would have been better with some more character directions. Like why can't I make someone steal ONCE right at the start at the thing I'm attacking?
Also Vaan had no reason to exist. Belthiar, Fran, and and Basch are more the main characters. Ashe was kind of a bitch and the entire time acting just like who she hated in wanting power to destroy everything.
>>320735561
10s saving grace for me was Auron. Made him my main character as soon as he comes back during the ball game attack and never went back to Tidus unless I had to for some very specific boss.
The game starts so slow, I never actually managed to get to where the game actually begins. I bet its a good game, but come on.
>>320735914
>>320735485
Y'all niggas do realize that it was Sephiroth's "mind" but Jenova as an entity, right? Like it wasn't that the exact same Sephiroth with no alterations whatsoever just decided to climb the fuck out his impromptu coffin and just did whatever.
>tfw 13 is in your top 5
i wish modding it to touch it up wasn't such a pain in the butt
>>320735531
>>320735531
I love 8 but Im not that delusional it has such a weak story
>>320735963
but the first hour is the most boring part. The intro is nice but then you're stuck on Rikku's Boat Adventures when I'd really just like to get to Besaid already.
>>320735914
That's exactly why I thought Jenova should have been the final villain.
Sephiroth was just a component of her. Him getting to be the last encounter just felt like special treatment to me.
>>320735963
I enjoyed the story of 10, that said most of /v/ including you judge most ff games based on their story. A game is not 100% story, a game can be enjoyable even with a mediocre story, because its a fucking game.
Fuck your memes. X was enjoyable as fuck, the story was good enough. Character complexities and other bullshit like that, if i wanted it would read a fucking book. I am playing a game for children, all that matters is that i am enjoying it.
If you are at a point where you're looking for complex characters and deep stories in games and especially final fantasy games, maybe you should stop gaming.
>>320736283
Same. VII, IX, and XIII are the only ones that I enjoyed at all.
VI is the most over rated game I've ever played.
I kind of want to give 12 another shot, though.
>>320736374
>failing to understand FFVII's basic ass plot this hard
>>320734340
It's great
I just wish you could change jobs like in V and Tactics
>>320736374
Jenova was just some animal that feeds off energy like the lifestream. The reason Sephiroth turns into monster mash at the end of FFVII is because he melded with Jenova.
>>320735862
It was to contrast his dark knight look before.
I wish more FF protags had badass armor.
>>320735531
XII is my favorite. It falls flat in a lot of areas, but overall it's my favorite in the series.
The series just isn't very good.
>>320736354
>Standard JRPG adventure with wooden, flat characters where you rush off to your prerequisite tourney arc before continuing down a linear path with these flavorless bozos
>Better than having everything stripped from you, wandering through hostile ruins, finding unfamiliar faces and exploring things that resemble your home/this hostile new world.
>>320736181
>Midgar isn't interesting because slow.
Do Final Fantasy fans on /v/ just have ADHD or something?
>>320736545
Well, oh enlightened one?
>>320736687
I didn't think the characters were wooden or flat. I liked most of them, which is why I don't like just swimming around accomplishing nothing. Also fuck you I like tournament tropes and blitzball.
>>320736283
Fucking how?
>>320736687
>Do Final Fantasy fans on /v/ just have ADHD or something?
Midgar was the best part of the game for me. The atmosphere was incredible, and it still holds up even to this day.
I don't see how people could find it boring and also find turn based combat fun. It's probably just people that don't even like the genre trying to play it just to call it boring in order to be edgy.
>>320736905
He only played five final fantasy games.
>>320737025
>It's probably just people that don't even like the genre trying to play it
That's like half of FF7's playerbase. It's going to exceed that once the remake comes to.
ff7 is just out of this world, like bloodborne
>>320736545
They really could have altered events slightly, having Jenova be the final encounter, without changing any real story/plot elements significantly. Specially since it had a habbit of coming back again and again.
>>320735104
FF9 is pretty shit actually. "Stealing" the game.
>>320737831
Wow, stealing is significant component in a game starring a thief MC, no kidding?
>>320737831
I never stole anything and beat the game. What are you talking about?
>>320737983
>1/256 chance of stealing good shit like the fairy flute
Into the TRASH it goes.
No one even likes 7 anymore.
Sod off.
>>320735683
>Play IZJS you cuck.
I thought it was Japan only.
>>320737718
Which would destroy one of FFVII's main themes being "will". Sephiroth is the embodiment of Cloud's mental frailty, expressed as the current dominant incarnation Jenova and personification of its core instincts.
That minor alteration undermines ALL of Cloud's personal development.
>>320738353
It is but there's an english patch.
>>320738446
That should be antithesis, not embodiment. Fuck me.
>>320733169
6 is better, 5 is better, 2 is better, 9 is better.
8 is much better.
>>320735171
This desu. I like having people made for specific roles, mostly so I can mix and match.
>>320740523
But I like multiple Final Fantasy games family, not just my favorite one. I can recognize that even my favorite one has many faults.
>>320740523
I like FF1 because you are stuck with the classes you chose at the beginning and every combination of classes gives a slightlydifferent experience when replaying the game
I like FFII because it has a surprisingly good story and characters (for a game from its era) and in theory has the best and most logical stat gaining system in the series
I like FFIII because it is a simple straightforward heroic experience and because finally beating pic related actually gives a sense of accomplishment which is absent from newer FFs
I like FFIV because its everything that was so great about the early '90s JRPGs: its cartoony, has fast based gameplay, is packed with monstrous bosses and while it has a story to tell it doesn't take it too seriously
I like FFV because I had shitloads of fun fooling around with its job system figuring out oddball class/support skill combinations that just work
I like FFVI because it has good balance between gameplay and focus on storytelling, is one of the rare examples of JRPGs that don't have a clearly defined main character and I for one loved the non-linear exploration in World of Ruin
I like FFVII because its a good solid game with likable characters and many unforgettable moments
I like FFVIII because I find something new about its story, setting and gameplay mechanics on every playthrough
I like FFIX because its a good attempt of combining the best of old-school and modern FFs and has some great characters in it
I like FFX because its sphere grid system had a good balance between characters having their own unique skills and being able to do everything
I like FFX-2 because it has a mission based non linear story progression and having the best version of the ATB system
I like FFXII because it has DAT ASS everywhere
Oh no, I found something to like about all FF games I have played even from the ones I'm not that fond of and I forgot to hate one of the popular ones. What should I do /v/?
Why people say that 5 had best gameplay when materia system gives way more customization and battles looks way better. Oh and end game continent.
>>320742485
X-2 had best gameplay
>>320734513
FF8 was a great game. I must admit, I quit it first time through and about 2 years later I decided to start fresh. Its is kind of an awkward love and war and time travel story, but its awkward because it deals with 2 very awkward people. In that sense, it really does work, because had it been a very obvious love story it would've messed up the characters.
FF7 and 8 are two of my favorites, though I must admit FF4 and 6 (Cecil and Kefka) were excellent games and I loved them. I also thought 10-2 had great fighting at the time. For Final Fantasy.
My opinion is fact
>>320742485
Why people praise the materia system when the junction system gives way more customization and battles looks way better?
>>320742739
>implying your opinion is worth shit
█ and ██ are the only good FFs and █ , ██ are the only shitty ones and that is the only objectively correct opinion.
>>320733169
VIII, IX, X, X-2, and XII were all better than 7
FFVII is a good game but I prefer V, VI and VIII to it. Am I a pretentious contrarian hipster faggot or not?
>>320735474
Does whoever drew this drawporn?
>>320738287
That's like the only major shit steal rate. Having all the decent steal boosting items it doesn't take too long to get the good shit from the bosses. I like that you can actually steal really good items from the bosses, too. Really ticks me off when thief classes get shafted and can only steal junk like potions. FF9 did thieves, at least partially, well in that they can swipe great gear from enemies.
