How is it that The Witcher 3 and in fact all of The Witcher games have a voiced and even named protagonist but manage to be leaps and bounds ahead of Fallout 4 in terms of simply being a role playing game?
Is it possible that the voiced protagonist was in fact not the downfall of Fallout 4 but perhaps something even more sinister was to blame?
>>320605576
>"How is it that a series of above average games manage the very easy task of being superior to a total piece of shit?"
OPs like this need to be bannable.
>>320605576
Because the story is designed around you playing Geralt.
Fallout 4 shoehorns in a dumb story at the start of the game that the game isn't built around, and which doesn't matter for the most part.
>>320605576
Because playing as a well written character will always be better than muh oc self insert.
also way better writing and game design.
>>320605576
Because Geralt is an already fleshed out, established character. He's cool because of the things he's done, the people he knows and how he interacts with them, and so people want to be like him. They want to play his role. They want to know what it feels like to bang sorceresses and monster girls then fight off 20 dudes in a sword fight.
In Fallout or another game where you make the character, the only thing (usually) that "makes you cool" is everyone telling you that you're the savior of the world for no reason. You step out of a vault, kill some raiders and suddenly for no other reason than "you're the main character" everyone lauds you as the hero of the wastelands.
It's bad storytelling.
Because one series is developed by a competent studio that likes RPG's while the other is developed by a retarded studio that is forced to answer to bosses that couldn't give less of a shit about video games unless they turn a pretty profit.
>>320605576
Because CDPR are willing to write in conditions for your choices like killing certain people or siding with certain factions that affect your game. I mean in the Witcher 2 you missed 50% of the game the first time because picking either Iorveth or Roche totally changes the game and which zones you go to.
Bethesda are too lazy to do that. They have simplistic plots and don't want to account for the player character making game-altering choices like killing Preston Garvey. Therefore you're just railroaded into being the good guy or the sarcastic but affable good guy.
>>320605576
Are you kidding?
The Witcher is probably the lightest WRPG ever made, I'd even consider it a JRPG due to it having basically zero roleplaying since it has a set main character.
>>320608915
Please don't be this guy. Nothing you say makes sense. The operative in every one of your descriptions is still "RPG" so just stop.
Besides the game is basically Zelda meets Skyrim but for adults.
>>320605576
How is game like Gothic with just two choices manages to be a better role playing game than Fo4?
>>320605576
>the RPG where you can have various character builds and playstyles is worse at role playing than the action game where you play some pre-configured Mary Sue with the same playstyle
How is it that you breathe and can type sentences but you are this fucking stupid? Is it all a ruse?
>>320609143
Are you aware that RPG means roleplaying game? Implying that you are given the choice to play a character and not have one decided for you by the devs.
>>320608915
>roleplaying means making a mary sue waifu self insert stealth archer and having everyone in the game world fawn over you because you're the player character and therefore special
just fuck off mate
>>320609554
Name 1 RPG where your character isnt decided for you by the devs.
Ciri saved it
>>320609680
Fallout 4 for example. You can decide the personality of the character yourself.
>>320605576
>Is it possible that the voiced protagonist was in fact not the downfall of Fallout 4 but perhaps something even more sinister was to blame?
VO was definitely not the problem. Look at Skyrim, if you voiced Skyrim's protagonist, it would be pretty much identical to Fallout 4.
>>320609805
No you cant.
>>320609680
Skyrim, Fallout, Knights of the old Republic I, II, Icewind dale, Baldurs Gate, Wasteland, Pillars of Eternity, Neverwinter Nights 1, 2, Mask of the Bretrayer, Literally every MMORPG ever created.
>>320609680
Dark Souls.
>>320605576
Maybe because the Witcher is based off a series of books, with established characters.
>>320609805
>fallout 4 is an example of good player agency
>>320609554
Tell that to games like Final Fantasy.
>>320609886
So i can roleplay The Joker wielding double-bladed whip lightsabers who travels in a wheelchair saying Ugobog as "yes" and Hamburger as "no"?
>>320605576
The downfall of fallout 4 can all be traced back to the fact that it is made by incompetent modern Bethesda, I swear each new Bethesda game is worse than the last.
>>320609554
RPG actually takes its name from pen and paper roleplaying games, and is given to the like of Dragon Quest etc who attempted to emulate the stat based systems of those
There are many roleplaying games that have no actual roleplaying at all, the important part is the systems being taken from classic RPGs
>>320609889
It is though. The worms put you on the path no matter what
>>320609908
It is though, whatever the weaknesses of it's wonky AI and other game breaking bug shit. It gives you much more player agency to the point of breaking the game.
>>320610070
Sure you can, You just have to insert your own dialog.
You can't roll whatever the fuck Geralt is though fucktard.
>>320610229
>Sure you can, You just have to insert your own dialog.
No you cant.
Because of the limitations decided by the DEVs.
>>320609805
Yea like the other anon said. In fallout 4 you pick a response in a conversation but the delivery never sounds anything like you expect it to.
Like you pick an angry retort and he still sounds like a puppy or something.
The whole point of Witcher is roleplaying as Geralt. You get to make choices as him, but he still is his own individual and has a place in the world, you're stepping into his shoes. Getting to decide right and wrong in a world of moral gray.
Fallout 4 is some shitty ass middle ground. Your character has a predetermined history that you can't control, but they still never come off as a person of their own. They're not a blank slate, but they're not a character either, Fallout 4 is the worst of both worlds.
It's like when RedLetterMedia tries to describe characters from Star Wars without saying what they look like or what their profession is.
Geralt.
>Womanizer
>Cold attitude
>Heart of Gold
>Has a dry sense of humor that often flies over people's heads.
>Tries to remain neutral in conflicts but often lets his feelings get in the way.
Fallout 4 protag.
>Uhhh, cares about his/her son?
simply put: it's because Bethesda games are absolute dogshit
>>320609554
You role play as Geralt in the game
>>320605576
Predefined characters have nothing to do with how good an RPG is
Shut the fuck up. Post more Witcher girls
>>320609805
>Decide the personality of your character in Fallout 4
>Nice guy
>Slightly less nice guy
>Sarcastic guy
>Slightly more sarcastic guy
Whoa.........all these choices.......
>>320610146
But that's not character. An event doesn't make a whole character.
>>320611157
You always play the chosen undead.
>>320611047
That's a nice image anon.
>>320611157
What roleplaying is there in Dark Souls?
>>320610154
Fallout 4 is >literally checklist: the game
It gives you a load of quests and a load of stories that don't really lead anywhere, you're free to do whichever you like or none at all and there is never any sense of urgency or anticipation
None of your actions within the game affect the game world whatsoever
There is no overarching civil or political movement, no great shift in history and no real significance to the time period, it's a sandbox with a bunch of stuff scattered around it so the player has things to do. The world is lifeless because nothing happens in it; the entire thing is manufactured as a play space and not as a living world
This is meant to make the player feel like they're at the centre of it; they're the agent for change and they're the only one that can make a difference. This is not conducive to roleplaying because instead of being a single actor in a world that moves around you who is just trying to get their own shit done, you are a great catalyst of history, which contrasts horribly with the fact that you can't actually change anything you can just wander around doing odd jobs for other people.
The plot is fucking terrible, it has no good characters and the entire game is built to let the player run around doing inconsequential bullshit until they become the strongest most invincible creature in the game and get an artificial sense of progress because now they can one-shot deathclaws, even though it's completely irrelevant because there's no need to one shot deathclaws and being able to do it makes no difference to the world whatsoever and does not actually contribute to the character (being able to kill things in 0.2 seconds is not a character trait).
Also
>yes
>no
>maybe
>[sarcastic]
>>320611129
Pretty sure that covers the spectrum
>>320610391
Yeah,
Some choice is better than none fucktard.
>>320611646
Yes because nice and sarcastic are the only two personality traits that a human can possess.
>it can't have roleplaying if your character isn't a complete blank slate made in a character creation screen
Dumbest shit I've read on /v/ in a while
>>320611853
>every game is an RPG because every game lets you play a character
Just get the fuck out.
>>320611753
Yeah at the core.
>yes
>no
>maybe
>I don't care
I personally think Fallout 4 is a well rounded game. Witcher 3 is a great game also. I like how they differ in approach, because otherwise I wouldn't have 2 games to play, I'd only have one.
>>320612034
Who are you quoting?
>>320612034
That's not what he said
>>320612253
>yeah at the core
...what
>>320611853
This, shit is all retarded.
Games with character creation rarely feel like roleplaying anyway. Oh wow you get to spend an hour in a character creation and still look like heap of shit when you're done. Then you get to play as a "character" that feels like a cardboard cutout because your custom character must be able to fit in a range of different scenarios and situations that the devs designed. Making your character always feel a bit oddly disconnected from everything else.
In Witcher it actually feels like you have a place in the world, not that you're just some shitty avatar. It actually feels like proper roleplaying.
>>320611236
Man the song she sings when introduced was quite nice.
Allthough i would really like to know what happened after she got molestered by that vampire thing, i mean i saw her in the hospital but i don't know if she recovered or anything like that.
>>320612940
After you end the quest in which you kill the vampire she recovers a bit, she can talk and all also Jaskier tell you that they will make a duo where he sings and she plays
>>320613192
>Jaskier
what language did you play in anon? polish?
>>320613335
yeah im from poland sorry don't know what he is called in english
>>320613192
>Jaskier tell you that they will make a duo where he sings and she plays
Dandilion? Yeah now that you tell me i remember, i was just hoping we'd see them together some place.
>>320612398
Think about the language of computers. All you see on your computer screen is created by lines of 1's and 0's.
When you strip things down to the core they are simply 1 or 0.
1-yes
0-no
quantum computing states 1 and 0 can exist at the same time.
1/0 - maybe
>yes
>no
>maybe
you can choose to see this and be a part of it or you can choose to know it for its ridiculousness and say 'Who cares? If it can be 1 and 0 and 1 and 0 at the same time then nothing really matters'.
That is sarcasm
>yes
>no
>maybe
>sarcastic
Sorry if you didn't ask for this.
>>320613335
Jaskier means Buttercup.
>>320613442
Yeah i was waiting for tthat too at least i hoped that you could ask him how is she doing
Protip: It's not the voiced protagonist
>>320612398
Keeping in mind I originally laughed out loud at the truth of your initial post.
I am sarcastic.
But not this time.
>>320612940
That quest was satisfying as shit. Told that vampire to go fuck himself with his /pol/ tier moralizing about Novigrad. Witcher has some great quest lines.
>>320608915
>zero roleplaying since it has a set main character.
Fun fact: You can still role play as a set main character. Because self-insert roleplay and traditional roleplay are both still roleplay! Congrats. You are now educated.
>>320611047
Witcher girls - connoisseurs choice edition
>>320606417
>They want to know what it feels like to bang sorceresses and monster girls then fight off 20 dudes in a sword fight.
Holy fuck I just realised:
Geralt = Guts
FUUUUUUUUUCK
>>320612940
Dandelion ends up saying near the end that her voice has more or less recovered but her voice is a little deeper. He thinks it sounds better that way
>>320613737
Yeah one of the quest that really made me want to finish the quest because i wanted some sweet fucking revenge on whoever did it, still would have liked something like >>320613534 said.
>>320613835
>>320611853
FF7 isn't an RPG either because you can't customize cloud at the start
>>320613863
nah Ciri would be Guts since she gotraped by a dyke
>>320610623
Fucking nailed it. I'd much rather play a game with a realized character and world, than a sandbox that pretends to have either.
>>320614097
this also isn't an RPG because I can't choose the color of chronos hair or make him use a gun
>>320605576
I seriously cannot recall a single time where witcherfags discussed their game just for the sake of talking about it, instead of throwing salt at some other unrelated game/some other unrelated developer for no reason.
You guys are so obnoxious.
>>320613773
No. If you aren't making any choices that defines your character you aren't roleplaying, you're just playing the dev's character.
>>320614353
Playing a role ≠creating a character.
>>320614458
You could even say you're playing the role of the writer's character
>>320613835
>>320614458
This guy is such a faggot. I would destroy you in any social setting. Holy fuck what contrived bullshit you're spouting.
>>320609554
This is what bothers me the most.
These """""RPGs""""" like Witcher 3 are just what we used to call Adventure games. But it's not like I'm expecting anything different from an industry that tried to say shit like COD also counts as an RPG because LOL IT HAS AN EXPERIENCE BAR
>>320614657
>>320613835
You're a right good chap, Puss Peepers.
>>320614665
>I would destroy you in any social setting
I physically cringed.
>>320614668
>>320614458
So the only way a character has a role in a game is if you create it?
My brain hurts.
tfw no harem of succubi at my feet
>>320605576
Being a pre established character with actual history in the world in more interesting than self insert faggot #11 desu.
The only thing that strikes me as odd in all of this is that people say fallout 4 isn't an RPG because your choices do not matter apparently, even though you have much more control over what you do on it than in TW3. Yet TW3 is being hailed as the best rpg ever when the choices you make in this game matter even less.
I don't see how TW3 gets a pass when FO4 doesn't.
>>320614808
If you include "playing a character" as the definition of what makes an RPG, then the term loses its meaning altogether and literally anything ever counts as an RPG now, even Fifa, because you're also "playing a character" and "making decisions".
>>320614983
No one is saying Fo4 isn't an RPG, we're saying it's a boring RPG because all you do is run around as a self insert and shoot bad guys and fiddle with shit.
>>320610154
I don't think you actually understand what player agency even is.
>>320611578
>>yes
>>no
>>maybe
>>[sarcastic]
It's not even that.
>Yes
>Snarky yes
>LAWFUL GOOD yes
>further questioning leading to eventual yes
You can't even refuse most quests.
>>320614863
>>320614458
You're so fucking stupid.
>>320613835
>>320614414
I can recall a bunch of times, lurk more.
>>320613835
Witcher girls - cunnysseurs choice edition
>>320613949
Is there anyway you can get her to love you or do you alwaysend up fighting her brother and friends?
>>320615070
That has nothing to do with it. Read >>320610140
What makes an RPG an RPG is the focus on RPG mechanics. There can be varying degrees of RPG depending on how light or heavy the elements are, which is why "RPG" is a very vague term and there are more specific terms that people use.
>>320615438
cunnyserious edition
>>320605576
>How is it that The Witcher 3 and in fact all of The Witcher games have a voiced and even named protagonist but manage to be leaps and bounds ahead of Fallout 4 in terms of simply being a role playing game?
I actually think it has a lot to do with not obviously hand-holding you through decisions aka they're never clearly presented to you as "option A does X, while option B does Y" so there's always a quandary there for the player, whether it's moral or plot related. Which is weird because that's literally why some players can't stand Witcher games - because they don't have complete 100% control beforehand over how things will unfold.
>>320615637
me on the left
>>320615513
Dunno, they've beat the shit out of me.
>>320615425
Yeah no. First witcherfags couldn't shut up about bioware. They talked more about dragon age than witcher games, then they started talking shit about bethesda, from software, rockstar or some completely unrelated devs/games, now it's a full on anti-fallout circlejerk. I played through the entire game and not even once could I actually discuss it because this is the shittiest community I've ever seen. The only thing it talks about other than trying to smear shit on everything else in a very desperate manner is waifu faggotry garbage, like what is happening right now in this very thread. I even went to fucking reddit to see if it was better there but I noped the fuck out of the place because the sub is literally anti-fallout thread after anti-fallout thread.
Such a shitty community.
me on the left
>>320615575
Not to mention just look at the genre and what iterations it went through over the course of 30 years or so. In SSI days story wasn't anywhere near as important as it is today in so called "storyfag" RPGs which somehow became the norm.
>>320605576
because the bethesda audience isn't interested in making meaningful choices or ever being locked out of content. they want to be a jack of all trades demigod in a barren, static world.
>>320615757
This neckbeard is one of the only few men who got a taste of Ciri.
>>320608915
purple monkey dishwasher
>>320615865
Yeah but all men who try and sex Ciri end up ded
me on the left
>>320605576
this is the most overated game i have ever seen
Its not bad but its amazingly overated
>>320615865
he fucking wishes he did
>>320615728
>obsession with fanbases
>insistence on generalizations
>suffers from confirmation bias
You're pathetic.
>>320615728
You have a very warped view of events. I don't even know where to start because you're wrong about everything you said.
There was shitposting on both sides and a ton of false flagging on top of that shitheap. Easy target, easy shitposting. If you weren't such a retarded faggot you could have found the actual discussion and just avoided all of that obvious fucking bait.
>>320605818
>Fallout 4 shoehorns in a dumb story at the start of the game that the game isn't built around, and which doesn't matter for the most part.
Well technically, Fallout 4 is about playing as a war veteran or his SINGLE FEMALE LAWYER wife.
>>320616038
Pretty much this. There was a thread less than a week ago with nothing but people who played TW3 talking about what they liked/didn't like, that had little to no shitposting until like 300 posts in.
>>320615950
Not more pathetic than people with such a low self-esteem they have to throw mud at everything else to validate their favorite game.
Typical slav behavior.
>>320616131
she's widowed, not single
>>320614668
If you want to split hairs over what's an RPG and what's not we could be here all day.
RPG is a stupid and dated definition these days anyway. All games have tabletop RPG elements these days.
Geralts voice acting is pretty shit though
>>320615246
>>320616223
Nigga, Slavs only give a fuck about DotA and CS. Video games are not SRS BSNS here in Slavlands because people have actual problems.
Ciri is not for sexual
>>320616368
poverty and everyone being too lazy to do anything about it. just waiting for their bolshevik overlords to tell them what to do
Did someone say Witcher girls?
>>320616332
English one yes, its something between Christian Bale's Batman and dude from Risen 3.
Polish one is great though, far less constipated, serious when needed only.
>>320616332
Geralts voice in 3 was a huge improvement over the first two games. It fits his character perfectly so I don't see what was shit about it.
>>320616226
Difference being?
>>320616605
>>320616549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X0NO5kmQRk
>>320616549
His VA is infinitely better in W3, though. His voice in W1 was just dreary monotone.
>>320616509
Damn, I'm sure he was actually considering it for a moment.
>>320616424
That's all she's for
>>320616717
One communicates her actual situation better.
It's all about having decent writers.
W3 might lose a bit of focus towards the end, but it wins massive points for having a shit load of memorable, great characters.
>>320616131
>Fallout 4 is about playing as a war veteran
still can't believe Bethesda pulled this shit
using this setup is the most generic played out shit of all time
just a convenient excuse for Bethesda to skip all progression and have you're character go guns blazing right from the start
one more thing that shows that Bethesda only knows how to use exposition for the sake of action and not the other way around
Bethesda writes their games the same way porno directors write their scripts
>>320605576
>Sinister
There's nothing sinister about mediocrity. Something sinister implies mystery which would at least be somewhat interesting.
Some say Geralt is boring but i find him funny
He has a pro attitude and he is not a fagget
>>320616732
>His voice in W1 was just dreary monotone
But that's exactly how it is in TW3..
>>320605576
Reminder that The Witcher 2 is utter shit and the story is plain boring and doesn't mean anything to the main character.
I don't know how FO4 or TW3 are because I don't want to throw so many shekels for a single game.
>>320617030
Why not just kill yourself then ?
>>320616937
This is the problem with most people who played TW3. You didn't play the first two games so you have no idea how much worse it could actually be.
>>320613452
What
the
sandwitch
fuck?
>>320617125
behave
>>320610623
Holy shit anon. Pretty spot on. I love you.
>>320617149
I thought 3 was the weakest entry, even if it was still a decent game
>>320617313
psssh. nothing personnel kid
>nothing is actually better than relic New Moon armor with dose crit bonuses
>>320617315
Yeah well I think you're a weak entry
>>320617030
You sound like a moron.
The story had a huge relevance for Geralt. He was accused of assassinating Foltest. He needed to track down the assassin in order to clear his name. Not to mention participating in the main story helped him get his memory back.
If you truly did not like the main story you just have bad taste.
>>320617493
Are you one of those that first is story and then everything else in a game?
Just asking
>>320617571
what does that have to do with what he said
>>320617571
How is that relevant? The topic is the story and its impact on Geralt
>>320617668
he was talkin about the story of witcher 2
Its not super relevant but i am just asking
>>320617571
What does that have to do with the story?
>>320617741
Are you one of those people that puts his computer on the right side of his desk instead of the left? Just asking
>>320617741
No need to jump the gun and accuse him of being some kind of faggot then. Just talking about the story doesn't mean it's all he cares about.
>>320617247
If you learn to read there is great wisdom
>>320617867
>>320617828
Jesus Christ I just asked
Why so defensive
You are talking about story so its relevant somehow
Its fine
>>320616937
Fuck no. It's just not typical overacting, perfect pronunciation kind of job. He's subtle as fuck when he wants to be doesn't do the whole "Ah yes, that was [DRAMATIC PAUSE FOR RETARDS] convenient." kind of shit.
>>320618141
Why are you so offensive? You were obviously just fishing for something to insult him about.
>"I like drinking tea"
>Oh just out of curiosity are you one of those people who hates coffee?
Faggot
>>320617425
Low settings?
>>320618141
If you, as the person who asked the dumb and irrelevant question, can't find a reason for why your own question is relevant then you deserve to be made fun of a little.
>>320618716
Ok you are delusional
You have issues man
>>320618854
You too
>>320618832
Anyway do you consider story goes first in a game?
>>320618141
>>320618716
Are you two going to fuck already or what?
>>320619019
shut up phagit
>>320618141
>>320618716
>>320618832
>>320618854
>>320618890
>>320618924
Welp, this thread is dead
>>320618924
Not the guy who you were even responding to, but nothing goes first in a game. It completely depends on the type of game you're playing. If I were to play a visual novel for example, I would only care mostly about the story and the art as if both of those are shit, there's no reason for me to care. But in a game like DMC, I would obviously put the combat first as that's what the developers put a lot of time into.
For a game like The Witcher 2, the story is given more focus so I'd consider that important, but I'd also consider the gameplay and visuals to be important as there was clearly a lot of thought put into both.
Because 36 endings
>>320619134
That conversation is just as retarded as saying TW3 isn't an RPG because you play Geralt.
>>320619174
This guy gets it.
>>320619174
Good answer
I somewhat agree
But i would say witcher 3 gave more emphasis to story and the gameplay was left behind
>>320619284
And I would disagree there as the gameplay has even more thought put into it than The Witcher 2 did. All of the flaws from that combat system were fixed and they made build diversity even more important. It's got one of my favorite combat systems in a more story-focused RPG because of the straight improvements from TW2.
>>320619284
I thought the gameplay was fine, even excellent at times. There was plenty of thought put into it as well.
>>320619134
Discuss.
>>320605576
Because CDPR did not hire Hollywood actors who demand $1M payment per line.
>>320619564
>>320619590
yeah its better than 2 but its not good overall
its not terrible but the combat works 70 % of the time instead of 99%
>>320616131
>tfw no compellingly short skirt for my character
>>320619691
yeah that was a metal gear v shitpost ,
we get it slav
>>320619590
why do you even post this webm?
its not like a good specimen of the gameplay
But since its the best segment of the game you can tell how ''good' the combat is
>>320611047
>>320619815
I disagree.
Where can i find an LP of the witcher 3 where someone actually roleplays as geralt? I mean in combat as well, someone who is very good at TW3 combat system and has read the books?
mfw smashing through enemies with 6k heavy attack crits
>>320620014
Me on the right
>>320620747
>that tramp stamp
Absolutely deflowered
>>320605576
Witcher is one of the few RPGs that has it right with that too. Choices are just choices, there is no evil/good bullshit weighing you down just normal choices like life. If there's a negative way you'll know but the game doesn't shove it in your face.
>>320620879
thats not where a tramp stamp is located
>>320616131
Wearing sexy mini skirts and being self reliant
>>320620879
das rude
>>320605576
Witcher games are not RPGs. They're basically VNs with pretty graphics and tacked on garbage battle systems.
And none of them come close to the quality of Huniepop.
>>320623270
heres your (you)
>>320608915
Its not western. "not japanese" does not mean "western" and "generally grounded in reality" does not mean western.
>>320623270
here's your reply
