>judging a game's sound assets on their own, and not as part of a package
I really dislike this. Some piece of background music may be completely unremarkable on itself, but fit perfectly with the game feel and general aesthetic of a game.
Its like taking the textures of some tree away from a game, looking at it, and deciding that the graphics are shit, without ever having seen the game itself.
What do you think, should you absolutely have to play a game before you can judge its audio and video presentation, or can you do so based on what you experience in youtube videos, ms paint and winamp?
>>320598503
music =/= sound assets
Good music should be able to stand on its own.
good music for the game =/= good soundrack
serious sam has brilliant music for the game but the soundtrack is nothing more than ok
>>320598503
>caring about the opinions of a living corpse
>>320598503
what's bane talking about here? tumblrtale?
I agree with you OP.
Imagine the theme that plays at the last pokemon of a gym battle in pokemon BW/2. By itself it would seem like an ordinary song, but when I hear it when I'm almost at the end it feels fantastic.
Another game that does this is monster hunter with jhen moran, but it's not as good due to being easy.
Then there's atmosphere, fallout soundtrack would be average on its own.
>>320598584
You are lacking the context here, its about him giving his "best sound" award to a game he never played.
>>320598575
Literally everyone in history that's studied or judged music on any level be it professional or just as a fan of listening to it would disagree with that. Hell, the reason many classic composers got so famous was due to the imagery their music brought about or memories of the events they were made for, not for how they sounded on their own. Nowadays especially it's true that people have to make music within a soundtrack to fit certain scenarios - do you really want to listen to a creepy brooding angsty sounding song in your daily life? No. Do you want to listen to latin chanting with ominous shit in the background during your date? No. However both of those can work incredibly well in proper context.
>>320598503
I mean, It's for his video. If he wants to judge the soundtracks based purely on his enjoyment of the track on its own, he's free to do that.
I personally don't usually do that. For example, the track from dark souls (ancient dragon, I think it's called) that plays in ash lake was a big factor in making that place one of my favorite areas in any game ever. I probably wouldn't have liked the track on its own.
>>320598719
What was the game?
>>320598719
oh, well than he's being stupid, sound and music are different categories
>>320598503
I agree. The Metal Gear Rising soundtrack is pretty cringeworthy by itself, but as a part of the game it's 10/10.
>>320598798
I cant find it, and I cant be arsed to watch a 2 hour long video to learn.
However, judging by his other tweet, its not The Witcher, and he says people are buttmad for it.
>>320599070
Can you at least link me the video so I can look it up?
100% with you, OP.
Context is very important, especially if the music is synced to the action in some way.
>>320599179
Look upThe Co-Optional Podcast Awards Showon Youtube.
>>320598584
>>320598947
MGR and SS are perfect examples of bad music looking good in the context of the game, yeah.
>>320599341
They had the different award times in the description, but for music TB just plain refused to answer. I must be missing something here.
>>320598503
>Some piece of background music may be completely unremarkable on itself, but fit perfectly with the game feel and general aesthetic of a game.
That kind of logic ruined plug.dj vgm rooms. So much Arcsys and Gust garbage being played over and over again.
>>320599547
Well his tweets implied that he is getting a backlash for awarding a game he hasnt played, while not awarding TW3.
Maybe he did some extra audio blog or something, I dont follow his work other than reviews and today Twitter.
TB really dropped the ball on that one.
The mark of a great OST is that it fits the game perfectly.
>>320598503
I have a HUGE problem with todays soundtracks.
They're all so fucking literellay atmospheric BGM bullshit.
I miss the days of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwspC90b7H0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4GbGmvNRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tykAn_7aRP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO2cRI6-UPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvSM1VKW0lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzWLwASzJpM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MSFW8pZ-_4
All of these stand out today. I listen to them on my phone all the time while walking around.
And gives yes some companies still make good music like Blizzard sometimes they did shit with Diablo 3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAS8KivZX5s
Starcraft 2 Terran themes aren't half bad.
But what the fuck is wrong with EA?!
The First battelfield had this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8PQXPOkCc
The second battelfield had this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0aXAm0jqd0
The third battlefield had
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnlA2rCHJHY
And then we get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRN62IebC04
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uEc8_dcYUc
WUB WUB WUB where the effect the emotion the instruments. It's all drowned in WUB them music doesn't matter one bit to them.
It's not like people stoped making great music. Just look at Two Steps from Hell latest album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKmw9oS__MM
This could have easily been a battlefield theme.
>>320598947
>>320599408
This
MGR soundtrack isn't terrible, but when coupled with the boss fights it makes it much better.
How can you tell if shit smells bad unless you examine the pants that someone shit in too?
>>320599795
always remember the last battlefield with orchestral soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKNTX5wkaFU
>>320599795
When they say appeal to a wider auidence, it means every aspect of the game.
Which is why Battlefield just went sily
>>320599795
Lightning Return's soundtrack is smooth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vXvGM3iQ518#t=805
>>320599889
It was a pretty cool game, a better call of duty then call of duty. I liked it more then BF3
>>320599795
Is this a problem outside of the west?
>>320599795
>/v/ suddenly dislikes the battlefield 3 theme
what happened?
>>320599795
>no baba yetu
Didnt that get a bunch of awards?
Some soundtracks can stand up on their own,the ones that don't have music that just "fits the game",nearly all western games fit in this category.
can't fucking wait until the cancer finally fucking kill this piece of shit. God I'm so fucking tired of hearing his stupid shit in every single gaming community.
>>320600257
Even soundtracks that stand on their own are usually far, far better in the context of the game.
>>320600257
And how is fitting the game now a fucking bad thing?
What happened to the gesamtkunstwerk of vidya?
Silent Hill for example has some of my favorite music but they are all shit outside of the game.
I hate you and totalasscancer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0gvM4q2hdI
>>320600149
it was always shit
should have paid attention when it was released and not only read your fellow shill mates
>Listen to Rules of Nature before playing Revengence.
I don't see what the fuss is about
>Listen to Rules of Nature when it kicks in in the game
Ooooh, THAT'S why.
>duke nukem forever announced
>with an mtv friendly prodigy song
I'm still mad. Almost as much as about the game.
>>320598503
I don't know about that. Sometimes for fun I listen to game soundtracks without ever having played said games. I don't need to play Legend of Mana to know its soundtrack is fucking amazing. Nor do I need to play Pokemon X/Y to know that X/Y's soundtrack is an abomination and completely different in style from every previous Pokemon game before it.
>>320600696
Sure, but the argument being made is that those being good away from their game is a side effect, their intention was to be good with the game, and many are only good with the game.
This shouldnt diminish them in any way.
>people take western modern soundtracks seriously
I'm sure that background noise is very entertaining
>foobar
This guy tries so hard to be British. That forced accent of his is the worst.
>>320598503
Hearing music in context makes it more memorable.
For example, that shitty cello climb that accompanies the Joker in the Dark Knight. On it's own, it sounds shit. In the context of a scene, its great. The same applies to vidya.
I was the first person to talk down about the xenoblade x ost. Hearing it in context has absolutely and happily proved me wrong.
>>320598503
>Guys i played X and it was really good, one of the best parts in the game was the music just glorious
What normal people do:
>Okay that sounds good cant wait to play the game
What autistic people do:
>I'm going to download that soundtrack
>>320600069
It depends on the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhwRXOkyLM0
Koreans seems to be doing pretty good soundtracks. I love all a lot of them from Tree of Savior but I might be nostalgia googling because I still listen to the RO soundtrack every few months, especially now in winter because RO has some awesome Christmas tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2oc9tZBYzM&index=1&list=PLev5mLLUPyPyddmvqzFoqtNF6UNCKBizn
But this mostly depends on the buget of the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ac3lcvdl1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr3hFi3v79o
Stuff like Gravity Daze or Guilty Gear Xrd is obviously going to be top fucking notch.
But lower bugets usually mean lower quality soundtracks. Depends on who they hire and what kind of music they want.
But it's less of a problem in the east I'd say
>>320600770
>https://youtu.be/yFIW0EXGLfc?list=PLf5Kd5ubnsdQ6ifyx3dMN91ZMqlk6ZD-A
>oi dada be a laff sol somione sai i shud staat by introdukting meselfe
Toning the accent down is the best thing he did for his career.
I had the exact opposite experience.
I listened to the OST of Space Funeral and thought it was great, until I heard it ingame.
Don't get me wrong, it was still pretty good but I felt it didn't complement the game the way it should have.
>>320600770
What?
I agree with John Bain, we can judge a hammer by how it is a good screw driver. But who cares if a hammer is a good screw driver?
>>320600618
Let me guess it was this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTw2YvutJRA
I remember it was in Crysis 3 and something else too.
>>320599795
>I don't play Japanese video games: the post
Here's some modern vidya music senpai:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuKnzJLoHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Hh_fXR0ao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_Fsg7kdJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4k1NdUEUP4
Atmosphere makes a good piece of music great, not a bad piece of music good.
What Bane is saying makes sense, but in the context of the sound award, it's dumb. He should evaluate the sound design as a whole rather than just the OST.
>>320599795
>I haven't played Bloodborne
>>320598503
Thankfully he'll die soon.
Golden Age of Soundtracks:
4th gen
High Tier:
5th gen
3rd gen
Mid Tier:
6th gen
Just cover it up with voice acting:
7th gen and any other gen after
>>320600757
HATE WEEBS
>>320600860
>But lower bugets usually mean lower quality soundtracks
Well sure, but it's pretty unusual to be just atmospheric background noise though. That seems to be just a western problem to me.
>>320600958
If you would have stoped to actualy think you would have noticed how he was saying western soundtracks have become samey shit, in japan they still care about soundtrack because they actually sell a lot more than here so that we get amazing music
>>320600987
Or any other Japanese game.
>>320600756
True, soundtracks can benefit more within the context of the scenes they are presented, with many tracks not being so strong outside the game as they are within. I'll give you that. There are a good many songs that sound hype as fuck in game that aren't so good outside of it. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi0M9SIaLb4
>>320600884
He just tries really hard to have a nice radio voice, but he just sounds like a twat.
>>320600210
If I started listing all the songs I like there be no end.
>>320600149
I never liked it I like that guys cover better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhgolewHUl0
At least the artist of this gets why the battlefield song is good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb8PQXPOkCc
I always thought the first song was maker by the the MIDI trumpets and the clearly heard sharp drums.
The whole song has the dun dun dun thing going on while the trumpets play a second melody to overlay it. They're separated most of the song. The dun dun dun is the tempo and the trumpets are the melody.
>>320599795
Civilization V has an amazing soundtrack and overall sound design. Everything's great, from the leader greetings, to the micro sounds when clicking city states or spending gold, to the awesome music.
https://youtu.be/M8WEaGSSd58
>this playing when the nukes start flying
>>320601123
>aren't so good outside of it. For example:
I don't think that's a very good example.
>>320598763
>the reason many classic composers got so famous was due to the imagery their music brought about or memories of the events they were made for
That just means the music was unremarkable, and the event itself was the good part.
>>320601260
Okay, maybe not the best example since its still pretty hype, but you have to admit its a hell of a lot more hype during the scenes that it plays in than just listening to it outside the game.
>>320601034
What makes 4th gen better than 5th gen?
I ask as someone with a huge bias for FM synth.
>>320600958
Notice I didn't post a single Japanese games soundtrack. Wonder why? Because they're still good and stand on their own.
Japan loves soundtracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KskWgQlA9Ds
Look at this. It's perfect. The emotions in the situation the music. God I wish I could attend at least one Gundam Unicorn / 00 / old UC soundtrack playings.
This is how you do OST.
>>320600363
>video games as gesamtkunstwerk
Last time I suggested this I got 30 people quoting me and posting shitty reaction images, implying I am hilariously wrong.
Its the wrong time to suggest vidya is art, because most shitters here associate such claims with the SJW movement.
>>320598763
>Literally everyone in history that's studied or judged music on any level be it professional or just as a fan of listening to it would disagree with that.
sorry you're qualified to say this because why?
>>320598503
Yeah pretty much, that's why sound editing and sound mixing are different Oscar categories. The difference between diegetic and non-diegetic sound has been understood for a long ass time as well. You can ignore it if you want, which is fun since you get things like Morricone's thoughts on Tarantino's use of his music.
>>320601378
My bad senpai.
Also damn that Gundam Unicorn music is fucking amazing. I dare say that may be some of Sawano's best music.
>>320598503
If you cannot imagine the potential of a song without a game showing it to you, then that's your problem.
>>320601294
The point is that the music complements the event and makes the scene that much better.
>>320600757
>tfw the new Ratchet & Clank sounds like generic Pixar shit
This series used to have GOAT soundtrack, what the fuck happened?
>>320601331
The general quality of the compositions,4th gen was the best era for chip and CD music.
>>320599795
>They're all so fucking literellay atmospheric BGM bullshit.
wot? you even mention blizzard in your post. diablo 2 was literally 95% atmospheric white noise, and sc/wc soundtracks were full of background music.
>>320601242
Some some reason niche games have WAAAY better soundtracks.
I really like the new CiV BE Expansion one.
Also EU4 being a masterpiece of a soundtrack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGrtN02XTI0
And then they released the metal remix and a shat my pants. It came so unexpectedly too. I didn't wanna buy the latest expansion so I just pirated it to try it. It was Common Sense I think.
https://soundcloud.com/joaqu-n-cheng-toral-jr/sets/euiv-guns-drums-steel
This blew me the fuck away.
But I'm bothered by the big studios not making good soundtracks. EA, Ubi, Blizzard(for some part aka Diablo 3) etc...
I can't remember a good soundtrack out of a popular game take Fallout 4 it's shit. Take Assasins Creed it's shit. Take most of todays tripe A games.
>>320601385
It's true tough that no one in the videogames business ever considered games as art and it's only retards who don't know shit about art that claim that it is an art and therefore should be inclusive.
A lot of things go in the composition of a videogame and individually those pieces can be art, but when put together it becomes a product, just like Hollywood movies, and art can't be a product.
>>320599795
>Two Steps from Hell
Jesus fucking christ.
>>320601724
>a film is music, writing, acting, costumes, visual effects
>this film can never, ever be art, because i am retarded please rape my face
no
>>320601103
It's a shame that Japan seems to be the only ones interested in distributing their soundtracks.
>>320601642
Well honestly I only liked Terran music in SC 1 and 2. Zerg music just noise and Protos tries to be epic but falls short of it.
Diablo 2 I liked that guy knew how to do it. I can listen to Diablo 2 music while walking down an empty street to get a scary wibe. I can't do the same to Diablo 3 or WC.
Also I hate how the Diablo 2 guy went to that Touchlight thing and produce sort of meh music.
Same with Frank Klepakis new Gray Goo soundtrack.
Where my Red Alert 2/1 CnC/Tiberian Sun hell even UAW Klepaki.
Both End of Nations and Gray Goo soundtracks were pretty damn MEH...
>>320601793
>>320601835
Terran music is the bomb, Zerg and Protoss are nothing special.
>>320601750
I take it you don't like them?
>>320599795
>that Two Steps from Hell track
Thanks for reminding me why I wanted to buy their albums. Damn that's great.
TB is a fucking retard.
Music for video games is meant to set the context of the game.
>>320598763
I haven't played half this shit but still enjoy plenty of the music
>>320601724
You're a moron. Most of the old shit you'd consider "art" was nothing more than a product in its time.
>>320601964
You don't even know what I consider art and I doubt Cathedrals, and Chapels were products ever.
>>320601958
>that taste
MY NIGGA OF THE HIGHEST ORDER
>>320601952
They even incorporated the "wubs" in it and it still sounds unbelievably good.
>>320601724
>art can't be a product
Art is a product.
The greatest masterpieces known to mankind were made under commission, for money.
>>320601724
>and art can't be a product
Well there goes all the Classical Music everyone thought was art for the longest time, everyone pack it up, anon has spoken.
>>320601958
>Pokemon Super Music Collection
I hope that includes all the Mystery Dungeon soundtracks
>>320598503
I agree, I don't think I would have like Hotline Miami's soundtrack near at all if I hadn't heard it in game. That soundtrack just fits the hectic gameplay and art style of the game pretty well, adding to my enjoyment of both the game and the soundtrack.
>>320602090
>>320602109
>compensating an artist is the same thing as treating art as a product
What even is the point in arguing with retards ?
>>320601958
>Valkyria Chronicles
Is this any good? I got it after a /v/ recommendation, but never played it.
>>320602036
How do her parents deal with the fact that she slurped puke off of a smelly 50yo man's cock?
>>320602189
It is decent. It isn't great but it isn't bad either.
>>320602207
Do you think they know?
>>320602036
>has to be catchy
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0P9tePJXBg
What's wrong with something like this?
>>320602185
Study the meaning of the words you use. You're making a fool of yourself.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/product
>>320602189
As a game? Yes. Unfortunately somewhat unbalanced and it encourages cheesing due to how overpowered scouts are, but otherwise its great. The soundtrack? Its Hitoshi Sakimoto, so yes, its damn good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu51TPhs3mI
>>320602325
How could they not know if you and I both know?
>>320602185
Most of classical music was a shameless cashgrab, most of them mass fabricated products for kings and the church.
Doesn't mean Mozart is any less impressive for being a sellout.
>>320602185
What makes movies and games products in a way that paintings and music weren't in the past?
Give us a solid distinction.
>>320602185
English is hard for a lot of people in this world, I get it. But damn son.
>>320602401
Even art that wasn't made for commercial use is still a product.
>>320602372
We go on 4chan though, we know lots of things. Maybe they know she's done porn but don't know what she's done.
>>320602185
art is a meme word and it can be anything you want.
especially a product.
>>320602460
If that's where you're going, then literally anything made by anyone is a "product", because it was "produced".
>>320602036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0ULE_p-kY
Oh boy don't remind me this wouldn't leave my mind and now won't for days.
Fucking Music.wav
I would have hated MGR:R's soundtrack if I hadn't played the game.
Rate my shitty taste in video game soundtracks.
>>320602641
DAYTONAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/10
>>320602424
>>320602352
You're stupid and you don't even see it.
There used to be a very clear distinction between art and commercial product that doesn't exist anymore.
>>320602420
Videogames are made by companies with the sole purpose of turning a profit, art used to be made without commercial purpose unless commissioned and most artists considered their commissioned work as lesser crap they only made to survive.
>>320602114
It's just the mainline games. I'll check out them out htough.
>>320602713
>Videogames are made by companies with the sole purpose of turning a profit
This certainly explains freeware.
>>320602713
art is a meme go to sleep fag
>>320602713
>with the sole purpose of turning a profit
That's the publisher.
>>320602786
>gasping at Strauss
>>320602841
>developers don't want to make profit
lel
>>320602930
So they can continue to make the games they want to make, yes.
>>320602930
This.
Why do you think all these kickstarters need 2.000.000 to make a video game that looks like it's from 1999?
Because they want to live in Silicon Valley and earn 10.000$ a month for making a game. If they just wanted to make games they'd all rent a house together and pay everything food, rent, etc collectively.
>>320602930
I never said they don't want to make money. But the devs still want to make good games because that's their passion. The publisher is in it entirely for the money.
>>320601820
Because they view games different from here, while they too see it as a way of gaining money they will pour more care into making a game, here they have no reason to even release soundtrack because they barely care about it, they use it to just pour some atmosphere, they do not give a single fuck about the music itself
>>320603058
>But the devs still want to make good games
I find it hard to believe that you believe that considering the current state of videogames.
Even good games these days are cut left and right because devs have to turn out a profit to still exist, see Dragon's Dogma, Souls games, Final Fantasy XIII that had two sequels with 100% reused assets, the new Rainbow 6 that has horrible single player because they focused on what makes money, online shootan, etc...
>>320603039
Kickstarter amounts are usually unreasonably low and give everyone absurd ideas about what games cost to make.
A great deal of the bigger kickstarter games with industry veterans involved use Kickstarter simply to show a potential investor that there is public interest.
>>320603281
>devs have to turn out a profit to still exist
No the devs are not responsible for that. It's the editors who are responsible for that.
>>320603039
Consider a team of 15 people making a game for 2 years.
Those are all high end specialists that have to be paid 24 monthly wages.
This amount excludes equipment, rent, licenses, etc, and is already stupidly high, in the tens of millions.
>>320602754
You should
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJkX1LBTp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI1_GcM9Uy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EjXtQ0XwlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuKnzJLoHU
>>320603340
>he has never seen indie devs bitching
>>320603494
I don't give a shit about indie devs.
>>320603571
>It ain't me starts playing
>>320603648
What?
>>320603407
Like I said if they wanted to make games. They woudn't ask for 20.000$ a month wages.
They'd take 2.000$
>>320603494
retards bitchs about anything doesn't mean they are right
>>320603571
Not him, but they're the ones still putting out good music in the West.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53mmCqZbTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN_LvY97Rco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBtpBwzzdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrG_rTzvooE
>>320603797
>good music in the West
I don't give a shit.
>>320599795
>They're all so fucking literellay atmospheric BGM bullshit.
>>320603704
This is uneducated garbage talk.
If I am an architect and I want to make a monument, I'd still ask to be paid at least industry standard wage.
Paying an experienced programmer $20k per year is insulting and not nearly enough.
>>320603863
that's exactly why you're not an artist.
>>320603831
What are you even in this thread for then?
>>320603973
Being an artist isnt synonymous to being stupid.
>>320604009
well that's why you're not an artist
>>320603987
We're on 4chan.
>>320604072
Nah mate you are just delusional. Art has to be rewarded. All the great artists took great commissions when their greatness was realized.
A veteran programmer will take a veteran programmer wage to do their veteran programming.
>>320604183
>All the great artists took great commissions when their greatness was realized.
kek a lot of them only had their greatness realized post mortem or made their money by making garbage like family portraits for rich nobles
>>320603987
Because even on anonymous image board, he lacks the self confidence to admit defeat, and keeps spewing back shit until the other party quits, so he can claim victory in his head and delay his suicide by a week.
>>320604271
This post doesnt in any way invalidate mine. After they were realized as great, they demanded great pay. If they werent realized, they obviously didnt, the same way that a very, very capable programmer who doesnt have experience or background to prove it will still work for cheaper than an inferior one, who has background and experience to push himself forward.
>>320598503
While I believe the songs in a game's soundtrack should be able to stand on their own to some degree, I think context can be very important to understanding what a tracks function is and whether it accomplishes that.
Like, if you were to listen to the final boss music from Kirby Canvas Curse, you'd probably think "what the fuck is this shit?" But if you knew what was going on on-screen, you'd understand that it's supposed to be very strange, creepy, and unnerving.
>>320604183
They're not veterans they're out of job fags that want to relive their glory years and earn tons of money.
>>320604367
>After they were realized as great, they demanded great pay.
Not really no, they often became state sponsored or went under patronage.
>>320602641
Opoona is such a shit game.
>>320604596
It's alright.
That soundtrack though.
>implying this fat cancerous fuck has any business judging music in the first place
>>320604506
Thats a nice bitter jaded broken cynical faggot opinion you have there, but it takes more than one angry autist to dismiss a person's achievements.
>>320604574
... which is great pay. If it were possible today, it would still be practiced.
>>320598503
idk what to think about TB as a critic
his heart seems to be in the right place, but I can't take his opinion seriously.
He's SO inherently bad at games. In nearly all his videos he makes embarrassing mistakes that are mind-boggling considering he plays games for a living.
From his taste in music it's also clear that he doesn't really have a great deal of theoretical knowledge so that's another area in which I just can't trust his opinion
>>320604969
>... which is great pay
It really was not, it was enough to live and work but that's about it
>>320604969
Your achievements mean nothing if no one will hire you. Because game studios are full.
>>320605171
Are you really suggesting that there is no demand for programmers in 2015?
Because you are moving from "generic idiot" to "dangerously retarded" territory.
>>320605367
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=645rgR1JoEQ&feature=youtu.be&t=14s
Watch this.
>>320605890
>i dont like tim, thus the demand for programmers is diminishing and the informatic bubble is bursting
>also memes
no, i dont think i will be finishing that
now make a point or fuck off
>>320600696
You know what's crazy about X&Y's soundtrack? The only difference between it and previous generations is that Go Ichinose didn't work on it. That was the only person who left the soundteam after BW2. Other than that, the other 4 composers remained to work on X&Y. Really speaks volumes on how impactful his work was to the pokemon soundtracks.
>>320606089
Point is they're never going to employed in gaming again programming isn't lik speaking english you can't translate it instantly. A senior C# developer can't suddeny turn Javascript Web developer. It doesn't work like that. You specialize.
They'll never get as much money as they got before in gaming.
Also a huge part of game development isn't programming it's modeling 3D models, making music, making effects, art, UI.
So good luck finding a job as UI artist because thats a very specialized job.
>mfw Halo series apart from 4 has music that's listenable as an album and as soundtrack music
>>320606286
Show me a person who can only do UI art and nothing else and I'll show him my bridge in Moscow that I rent out.
