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>devs can implement always online drm if a firmwire ever happens
>modern games already require latest firmwire
>firmwire updates LITERALLY PHYICALLY alter the ps4 mobo thru destroying e-fuses
Modern consoles ended piracy thru a cocktail of anti-piracy solutions
have fun paying 70 euros a game for ETERNITY cucks!!!!!!!
on pc i get a new game every 3 days for free
theres no games to pirate anyway
>blunderborne
no ty
>Ended piracy
>PS4 kernel access just happened last week
It's basically an inevitability
>Can't install firmware because the firmware requires you to have a specific firmware to play games
Oh, oh no.
>>320480887
you just cant read can you??
>devs can implement always online drm if a firmwire ever happens
>modern games already require latest firmwire
>>320480963
Are you retarded?
Why are you talking about this when you have no idea what you're talking about?
Shut the fuck up.
>>320480963
3DS games can require the latest firmware too, yet here I am playing away pirated 3DS games.
>>320481045
no one can go around always online drm
NO FUCKIN ONE
>>320481338
Yet people pirate MMORPGs. How's that work dumbass?
>>320481338
>inb4 ubisoft dmr
Yeah man, literally noone can pass those dmrs, were doomed
>>320481338
look at games like Titanfall.....forced multiplayer will make sure you cant pirate this game
its very easy to make a game forced multiplayer.
also imagine a game like mgs2 requiring you to join an online server before it allows you to play. THAT IS THE REALITY THAT'S coming
>>320481338
Go into your closet already. There's plenty of games with "always Online" bullshit and yet those are pirated
>>320481484
Dumb drakeposter
>>320480760
>he honestly believes this
seriously tho, why do you even care? this isn't emulation. people still need to buy the shitty system to play games. and chances are less than 15-20% of ps4 owners will even know about piracy, or how to do it properly.
https://steamgifts.co/go/?id=Ra2Wx1U2b
>>320480760
>be some time from now
>8 year console cycle runs out
>finally last firmware is last
>exploit found
>homebrew
I will be waiting for this day
>>320480760
Destroying efuses? Wut?
>>320480760
>couldn't even get best art direction
BTFO
>>320481796
>>320481748
just set up a $400 gaming pc to connect to tv with a wirelss 360 pad...its a lot of work BUT the reward is infinite free games
>>320480760
Right now playing pirated games on my PS4.
http://wololo.net/2015/05/13/new-piracy-technique-on-ps4-in-brazil-confirmed-to-be-real-sony-might-take-legal-action/
>>320481796
Fuck you.
Delete that post, RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
>>320481865
I want homebrewbecause that leads to emulators
>>320480760
All I see is Loss.
I hate this place.
>>320481796
FUCKING REPORTED
>>320481484
Those things can be circumvented too anon. People already do.
Also remember the shitstorm when M$ tried to do forced online? It's not going to happen.
>>320481935
are you stupid or dumb? a ps4 emulator will never happen. too much work for just 1 fuckin exclusive
>>320481917
>>320481962
that image NEVER stops being funny. Please keep posting more of them xD
>>320481917
>>320481962
wow another shit meme
>>320481981
thats why sony left it up to devs. i am 100% sure that ass creed will not have any problem requiring always online for ps4. ABSOLUTELY FUCKIN 0 PROBLEMS
>>320480760
It's already happening, ask the brasilians
>>320482085
i read about that. expensive and inpractical
>>320481984
MARK MY WORDS
PC WILL HAVE IT ALL
EVEN THAT ONE EXCLUSIVE
>>320481865
>$400 PC
When will this meme finally end? If you are that poor the PS4 is the best bang for your buck buddy.
>>320481984
It doesn't need to be an emulator thanks to x86, it just needs a compatibility layer like WINE or a VM.
>>320482074
Except AssCreed hasn't done that and they don't want to miss out on gold doubloons from people with shit internet.
>>320482198
how stupid are you? each new ps4 game is 70 euros.
with a 400$ gaming meme pc each game costs 0 euros
google potato masher. the secret is to buy a factory oc'd 750ti
>>320480963
>>devs can implement always online drm if a firmwire ever happens
You can pirate Steam games you know, same with Uplay games.
>>320482156
Not really. It cost me the same as a brand new game and is still working
>>320481984
lol'd
>>320482209
lol'd
>>320482370
stop replying to bait
>>320482428
also that exclusive no one will give a fuck about once dark souls 3 drops. its multiplat
normies already dont even know what a bloodborne is
>>320482504
>normies already dont even know what a bloodborne is
Accept it. Normies are the crowd who bought a PS4
>>320482486
lol'd
Ok there's like a ton of misinformation going around and shit in this thread
1) a firmware exploit would mean all previous games w/o such countermeasures are basically free games
2) "online only" DRM works, but only if you make the server handle game logic interaction. Think Diablo 3. If we don't have the code to "play" parts of the game, we're fucked. However, we can usually code out our own interactions if we have enough leeway (this is usually how WoW private servers work, as back in the day we didn't have access to the PvE mechanics bosses used, so we'd script our own). The problem with this is that although it will massively reduce piracy, it costs a SHIT ton, because you have to have servers manage this, and lag is impactful (and will lead to people getting pissed)
3) DRM authentication. Doesn't really work if you can block the servers in such things as hosts files. If people couldn't play the game without logging into a server, users will be fucking FURIOUS. It's doubtful companies would do this, and even if they did, pirates could potentially bypass it by coding a "crack" that hooks into the game and ignores it/tells it they're online. It depends on the game and what they would use, but it might not be worth it for a lot of games so Sony would "win"
Piracy will eventually happen for PS4 and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded, will it be as good as the PS2 days? Definitely not, but it'll be something.
>>320482828
lol'd
>>320481796
>not printing the me!me!me! Bloodborne cover and slipping it over one of the covers
missed steaks
>>320480760
>devs can implement always online drm if a firmwire ever happens
are you trying to tout this like its a good thing? are you consolecucks this retarded?
>>320482828
You are incorrect my friend. Online drm will be the end of piracy
it could be rendered ver un-invasive.
for example one game would require you to connect online to access level 2
another game could require you to connect online just once after 15 minutes of gameplay
another could save games online only not on ps4
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online drm is a tool that could be used in any way a devs chooses
too much work to patch each fuckin ps4 game...when each uses the online drm in a different fashion
keep dreamin cuck
i know my shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPBfx4_WT-w
>>320480760
>sonydrones now preemptively advocating always online
Guess MS was just ahead of the time
>>320483383
sony r more intelligent than americans (big surprise)
sony left it up to devs to implement ALWAYS online drm
M$ truly wanted to end piracy on their consoles after the 360 fail
>>320482156
Yeah, but mostly because the PS4 is considered "gambling" by corrupt Brazil government and subject to a special tax. If the code they are using to dump the images is leaked you can probably use any old PC to pirate shit on PS4.
>>320483150
>Online drm will be the end of piracy
I never said it wasn't. Please note my message here:
>"online only" DRM works, but only if you make the server handle game logic interaction.
Where I specifically say it works.
>it could be rendered ver un-invasive.
>for example one game would require you to connect online to access level 2
Ok, that wouldn't work at all because that's pretty much exactly how online drm authentication works currently.
>Load cracked exe of game
>Bypasses authentication
However, if you tie game logic to the server. So for instance you are fighting a boss, the game client will contact a server and say "hey, I (as a client) do not know the move this boss will use, I need you to tell me it" and then the server communicates "this is what will happen" and will send the client software a script to use, and that's the boss move. If games do that, then there is no bypass unless you get the code/script of what the boss/game does. You cannot usually intercept these scripts in plaintext because they're encrypted with private keys and maybe even obfuscated the code inside the client as well, to prevent further reverse engineering.
>another could save games online only not on ps4
Once again, a possibility but if you were to be able to hook an application into the PS4 that intercepts these packets and saves them locally on say a computer, then it's bunk.
If there is a kernel level exploit that allows exploitation in the form of running unsigned applications, games will get pirated. It's a fact. If we can run unsigned shit, we win everything up until they force online-only games that are server side manipulated in real time.
>too much work to patch each fuckin ps4 game
It is a lot of work, and many games may not get patched or cracked. But the same can be said about developing online only. If you tie game logic to a serverside connection, that is massive infrastructure you need to develop and use continually so all users can play the game
>>320480760
>devs can implement always online drm if a firmwire ever happens
This is what cut the X1 from the competition, they will never do that.
>modern games already require latest firmwire
This was already a thing past gen.
>firmwire updates LITERALLY PHYICALLY alter the ps4 mobo thru destroying e-fuses
This is also nothing new. the x360 did it as well.
e-fuses do not stop custom firmware
t. samsung knox
>>320483150
>>320483615
Anyway it's doubtful 80% of game devs will do online-only game logic handling in their games. It's a ton of work, and people without stable/fast internet connections will bitch endlessly about it.
Piracy on the PS3/PS2 was not a huge problem, it was on the PSP (but mostly because Sony was really stupid). Even the DS/3DS's piracy was never a major problem. It's doubtful people will go to such lengths to prevent piracy by implementing online only drm in every single game published. It's just a ton of money, work, and time. They won't think it is worth it.
And this is why no console will ever reach even half of PS2 or DS levels again
>>320483501
>360 fail
I bought a 360 because of easier piracy and haven't bought a ps3 because piracy was a hassle
>>320483678
Indeed, but they do stop firmware downgrading, wich means fixed exploits are outside your reach if you've ever updated past them or if you own a newer model.
>>320483615
>It is a lot of work, and many games may not get patched or cracked.
i am glad we both agree on this
basically at a practical level consoles ENDED piracy
its why i switched to pc for this gen... i knew shit would only get worse after the ps3
>Sonydrones on /v/ try so hard to get you to buy a PS4 but get upset when you use it for Piracy
Theses sony shills are getting out of hand.
>>320483754
Exactly
Why do companies insist on making uncrackable consoles?
Being easy to pirate is what led the playstation to being the giant it is in the first place
>>320483964
Because otherwise publishers will boycott your console.
Ask Nintendo.
>>320483964
While it may seem good for the console manufacturer, no devs would actually want to develop for it if everything was pirated.
>>320484097
>>320484112
Like publishers boycotted Sony on the ps1, and ps2?
Like publishers boycotted microsoft with the xbox and x360?
If you say so
>>320483598
The code can be found on stores in Chile and Peru too.
Shit is spreading fast.
>>320480760
>>devs can implement always online drm if a firmwire ever happens
>>320484218
>ps1 and ps2
The videogame market got huge during the ps2 "era", during the ps1 it was still an average entertainment just for kids, publishers weren't nearly as big as today.
>xbox
MS did not give a fuck, they literally packed PC hardware in a box and throw themselves on the market just to have a presence for the next gen, the xbox was literally filler.
>x360
You do know the console is actually uncracked to this very day, right ? Piracy is possible because someone fucked up with the DRM and you easily cheat it flashing the dvd drive, but efuses and their DRM are still working.
One more reason not to buy a pissfor
>>320484783
No dude, ever heard of jtag or rgh for the xbox 360?
It's cracked and no new game format, or firmware update can stop that
As long as you update the dashboard yourself you have no problems
You can have homebrew, emulators and dlc running on it
stop replying to bait
just stop
Is the vita cracked yet? I haven't played it for so long.
>>320484783
>he dont know what is rgh for xbox360
typical day on /v/
>>320485062
mad sonygger
>>320485010
Huh, I thought you couldn't run unsigned code on it.
No matter my point is they still put effort on their DRM wich is what publishers want, they aren't going to flip your console off if it gets raped along the way.
>>320485126
Fuck
>>320480760
Jesus christ man what the fuck is with this board wanting PS4 piracy already? We don't even fucking have PS3 or 360 piracy and emulation yet and you fucking morons want to keep going with the same old routine of kylo rem kills han solo over and over again. Why the fuck can't you guys just buy the consoles now instead of waiting years just for something that will never be even 705% accurate to the source?
Fucking piratefags I swear.
>>320485312
>We don't even fucking have PS3 or 360 piracy
Those have been around for years, even for the SS and the Bone wannabee 360.
>emulation
There is in fact a working PS3 emulator, though it's still early.
>>320485312
Wait till it gets a few games, then we'll talk about piracy. At this point, it would make everything scheduled go Xbone or multiplat. Multiplat I'm alright with, but no way in hell the NSA is going to see my Pussy Breakah.
>>320485068
Technically yes but piracy is not possible yet.
>>320485312
>We don't even fucking have PS3 or 360 piracy
>>320485312
>emulators need to follow the chronological order!!!
this is how I see you're are is dumb
>>320485173
Because if the ps4 was cracked on day one, publishers would have boycotted the 35 million ps4 buyers?
>>320485474
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>>320485618
It was just bait to vehicle the star wars spoiler dumbasses
Newfags I swear
>>320485312
>We don't even fucking have PS3 or 360 piracy
WTF dude, I have a pirated XBOX 360 like for 7 years and my PS3 is running pirated games like 3 or 4 years.
Are you an idiot or just a shill?
>>320485312
>We don't even fucking have PS3 or 360 piracy
I literally just got done playing pirated vidya on my ps3
>>320485748
>>320485716
>>320485683
>actually contesting a clear bait post
>>320480760
>>modern games already require latest firmwire
>what is firmware spoofing
>>320480814
>new game every 3 days
Goes to show how fun PC games are
>>320485845
>expecting redditors to not be autistic enough to respond to clear bait
>>320485912
all games r multiplats now
i only play console ports in fact with wireless 360pad connected to 50 inch
>>320484497
>>320483598
>>320482156
>>320482085
Is there a story here I'm missing?
>>320480963
nigga pls .. I had a jailbroken ps3 and i could play online when a new firmware came out, it was just a matter of waiting a couple of days for a "spoof" .
>>320480760
Who gives a shit? Piracy isn't what most devs lose millions on. It's used games. Lining gamestops pockets with billions taken out of the gaming industry. And that is 100% consoles issue.
>>320486319
>http://wololo.net/2015/05/13/new-piracy-technique-on-ps4-in-brazil-confirmed-to-be-real-sony-might-take-legal-action/
>>320480830
On any console?
