Reminder that if you buy this, you are supporting memelands and Anthony Burch' kekolding fantasies
>>320470835
That's not how it works, kid.
>>320470835
>Not enjoying Borderlands
Is it because you have no friends OP? They are also sort of entertaining alone
>>320470835
Gearbox's Homeworld is 1 for 1 right now and Burch doesn't work for them anymore.
You're going to need better arguments than outdated memes.
Burch doesn't work at Gearbox anymore you out of touch faggot. And the game looks great, I bought HW remastered already and loved so I'll be getting this as well
Wait
The Homeworld people are just humans?
>>320472428
They always were.
>>320472141
>Gearbox's Homeworld is 1 for 1 right now
No, unless you count the mess they did as a whole 1.
Their remaster is DEFINITELY much worse than the original in every regard except graphics.
>>320472060
>its fun with friends
fuck off with this meme
>>320472141
Pitchford still does.
>>320470835
Burch got fired from Gearbox, bro.
>tfw you are not Anthony Burch.
>>320472428
they were always at least humanoid.
pic related may be the most direct/least stylized one was ever depicted.
>>320470835
>and Anthony Burch' kekolding fantasies
I can't believe someone who shitposts e-celeb drama doesn't even know where the target e-celeb works anymore
hint: Anthony Burch hasn't worked at Gearbox in a while.
>>320472428
That was not actually known up until now, because all you would see of them in cutscenes were humanoid profiles.
Another thing GB cocked up, never actually showing a full frontal view of the kushani/taidaani mystified them to a degree, and allowed people to make their mind about how they really looked.
>>320472559
Cpt. Soban looked pretty human as well.
>>320470835
>implying gearbox has anything to do with developing this
They gave all the IP over to blackbird who contain nearly all the original Relic employees who worked on the original
>>320472690
Actually
>>320472690
Uhhhhhh. No. There are multiple images of human-like Hiigarans
>>320472690
are you fucking kidding me
>>320472548
He didn't get fired, he did something way more retarded and embarrassing, he went the route of the rest of his SJW buddies and became a patreon/kickstarter beggar to try and write TV shows or some shit.
>>320472741
>>320472918
>>320472953
fucking HW2.
why do people still consider this canon at this point?
>>320472690
This is bait right?
>>320473064
>I disagree with an entire third of the series therefore it shouldn't be canon
WHY IS IT NOT IN FUCKING SPACE
>>320473064
Because
It's the official sequel
made by the same people
>>320473064
SEE >>320473074
I GUESS HW1 ISNT CANON EITHER
>>320473136
the mysticism-based plot and retconning everywhere was complete garbage and everyone knows it.
the worst thing is that Cataclysm is treated as less than canonical when it maintained the tone of the original so much better.
Holy shit, it looks like Ground Control meets Homeworld. I can't fucking wait.
>>320473291
Isn't the only thing really retconned that instead of multiple cores there were only 3?
>>320473182
>>320473272
it was the official sequel that Relic was forced to rush out the door a year before it was ready by Sierra.
the original Dust Wars game design sounds like it would have been substantially better in pretty much every way.
>>320473291
Cataclysm isn't non-canon, but the source code for the game was lost a long time ago so they can never re-release or remaster it which means they kind of have to ignore it nowadays.
At this point I am concerned about the potential lore rape, but the game play looks like it could be decent. The biggest problem with it being published by Gearbox is the initial price tag and DLC bullshit. And I still don't really want to give Gearbox money regardless, but I also don't want to punish Blackbird because of that if it is actually good.
>>320473418
Oh well
It's not exactly one of those BIG fictional universes people spend all the free time obsessing over
>>320473164
Because Blackbird's was working on this project as a separate IP that has now been re-purposed back into the original Homeworld IP (and before people get angry, Hardware: Shipbreakers was obviously set in the Homeworld universe).
Where have you been?
>>320473486
I think pretty much everyone here hates gearbox to an extent, it's just that only some of us will bite the bullet on it, me included.
>>320473418
It's true that Dust Wars would have been better. However, it's not like ME3. HW2 was still a really good game with a solid ending.
I'm getting it, Gearbox be damned.
At least some of the unit functionality looks pretty neat. The massive baserunner with a runway on it is dope and judging from screenshots there's at least one instance of a desert dust-storm.
>>320470835
Wait a minute, so this is more of a traditional RTS and not in space?
>>320473626
I would actually argue that the ending was HW2's weakest point. I think it really hit its stride around the Progenitor drone areas.
>>320470835
>you are supporting memelands
What's wrong with memelland?
>>320473562
Well if it is good I can at least justify it to myself that giving Gearbox money via purchase is an incentive for them to find more companies like Blackbird.
Pitchford is still a cunt that needs a colossal punch in the dick though. As you can probably tell I was one of those people that bought the BL2 GOTY edition.
Dumping homeworld and homeworld related art
>>320473749
Well, the "stargate" network implications were pretty fucking awesome. Though, of course, nothing will ever come of it.
Meh I want space, not another generic land RTS. And fuck Gearbox.
>>320470835
>see new Homeworld game
>it's all ground-based combatI mean, I guess it could be interesting...
>>320473935
True, it was too bad the whole "Age of S'jet" won't ever be developed. From what I've seen in the concept art there was a whole lot of talk about gate networks and how they might impact gameplay.
>tfw you will never lead a religious pilgrimage through Tenhauser Gate
Such a godlike ost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXRJBK8oJSA
Another idea that never seemed to make it past concept - this whole "Base 15" design. Judging from the art it would have been huge, at least large enough for cap ships to enter some sort of drydock.
>>320474068
Didn't strike me so much as religious. Might remember wrong, of course.
>>320473379
in principle, yeah, but when the plot is about getting all three magic mega-cores back together to unlock muh secret godship it kind of is more significant.
it makes most of the plot of HW1 nonsensical
> taidani let one of the three most powerful artifacts in the entire galaxy get send to Space Australia after they crush their Kushan foes.
> entire taidan empire just kind of fucks around after their enemies start using the unique mega-weapon again after a few thousand years
> bentusi don't treat kushan like anything special
>
>>320473480
that's kind of a load of shit.
a few of the original Relic/ND devs said in forums last year that they could re-create the missing Cataclysm logic in the order of weeks for the HW1 engine.
the actual problem is that GB's HW1 remaster is really just a rendered/UI-tweaked HW2 engine with the units and logic from HW1 grafted in rather poorly.
I bought the collection on release, and for the ~2 months that I still managed to care, the HW1 remaster was completely broken shit, where you couldn't even salvage enemy frigates without other ships shooting at them on the way back.
GB just didn't want to dedicate the resources to getting the HW1 remaster done competently, and they sure as fuck didn't feel like paying a whole lot more to try to get Cataclysm done, which was never as popular and would likely be even harder to graft onto the HW2 engine.
>>320474159No one's left.Everything's goneKharak is burning.
>>320474317
>>320474317
Considering some of the background structures
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-AZBdFkzAA
....Madness. Absolutely stunning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnvEFFCjSCw
To be fair, the Homeworld Remaster turned out to be pretty good.
>there will never be another good space RTSSins of a Solar Empire is also good, but not quite the same
>>320474705
I know you mean well but get ready for the buttdevastated anons
>>320474705
Except for the combat. Which is kinda important.
I was also disappointed with some of the (granted minute) changes in voice acting. Tone, people, TONE.
>>320474365
>HW1 remaster was completely broken shit
I agree. Not even tactics or formations worked in the slightest.
I do not understand how Gearbox didn't get ripped to sheds over this. The remaster of HW1 was supposed to be the main selling point of the bundle, and it wasn't even fully playable.
I quit it at around the the kamikaze asteroid mission since I just couldn't stand the lack of working formations.
Always thought this one was neat. They really did a hell of a job keeping the artstyle between concept and final build.
>>320474705
what are you talking about its god damn terrible phoned in trash, the only worthwhile part is getting the original game in a state where you can play it on a relatively modern system with no issues, the remastered HW1 section is ass, reasons are as follows:
-No Fuel
-Easy mode salvage in a game where this was already easy
-Formations are fucked
-Stances are fucked
-No more random battle chatter
-I didnt get there but I have no fucking idea what they did with nebula shit because the only way you had a chance was to nuke fuel pods, because swarmers were just BETTER than anything you had but they had no fuel, with no fuel in the game the kadeshi are now an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction, or theyve been nerfed making the campaign easy modo
Dont tell me that remaster is good
Too bad Asteroza base wasn't this cool
Looks like this was turned into the Bentusi ship
>select all images with steak
damn, now I'm hungry
I've never played Homeworld, always found it interesting from what I've seen though. But I am unable to pirate, all I have is campus internet and they have cut me for pirating before, so am I fucked here? I keep on hearing the remaster is horrible but I'm an outsider looking in, I don't know shit.
>>320475305
Remaster comes with originals as well. The HW1 original is the better version gameplay wise, the HW2 version is indistinguishable.
The remaster was pretty great.
Already bought Deserts.
Haters can be buttmad all they like.
What do you guys think would be interesting mechanics for a Homeworld game?
I always thought it'd be neat to have one-shot hologram decoys that you could send out and bait enemies into attacking. Something that would appear on sensors as a ship until it was fired on.
Also some kind of telescopic recon probe, that worked on line of sight instead of proximity. If you haven't noticed I'm a sucker for ruse strategy.
>>320475305
>I keep on hearing the remaster is horrible
Well they are god games and playable on modern systems but the remake HW1 is nothing like the original. They used HW2's engine for it and it fundamentally changed a lot of things about it.
>>320475501
>le contrarian man.jpg
no formations sure is great :^)
>>320475501
It's not hating, it's criticism.
Sad, horrible times we live in, with criticism being ridiculed and dismissed as opinion.
I don't pre-order digital goods, but 20% discount makes it really tempting.
>>320475360
>Remaster comes with originals as well.
This is the first time I've heard this. I guess I should have said I don't care about graphics. So are the remasters worth getting or am I being rused here?
>>320475696
I would say its worth it, but that's my opinion. Apparently you can get it for free with a pre-order of the new Desert game, and altogether it's the remasters, the originals, and the soundtrack. So really not that bad of a deal imo.
>>320475613
HW2 style formations are fine.
I agree that taking out fuel was a mistake, but everything else was either negligible or an improvement.
>>320475762
>but everything else was either negligible
The HW2 engine made smaller ships fucking useless. Fighters and the like die instantly in every fight.
It's nice how HW space isn't just empty. These huge structures were a nice touch, even if they only existed in the sky-box.
>>320475696
If you can live with the originals' graphics, you don't need the remasters. AT ALL.
>>320475762
>HW2 style formations are fine.
Except that no strategy seems to work for fighters in HW1R. They die like flies and do next to no damage to other fighters. Which never happened in the original.
>>320475696
the HW1 re-build legacy version technically works, but they didn't even add new video modes, so you're stuck in like 1280x1024 or some bullshit for the highest resolution.
the HW1 remaster looks great, but the AI was still completely fucking broken for even basic shit like moving around last time I tried it.
>>320475696
If you want to be able to play original homeworld again on a current computer (which you cant if you still own a disk copy as it wont run on windows 7 or 8 or 10 or what have you) Then your best bet is buying the remaster, which will give you original HW1, and HW2, and remastered HW1 and HW2, out of these, only remastered HW1 is a shit sandwhich, the rest is solid, and you get the advantage of steam mod support for remastered HW2 which is about exactly the same but a bit prettier than original HW2. So take from that what you will.
>>320475696
It took them a year and a half in order to fix most of the bugs, but they did it non the less. Though if I recall correctly the multiplayer is still in 'beta', which means they don't really work on it.
I'd say it's a safe bet since you get the originals as has been mentioned before.
>>320475856
Do I have go get the remasters to get the originals? Because right now I would rather just get the first game to try it out, if I end up not liking it then I can just stay away from the others.
>>320475762
>but everything else was either negligible or an improvement.
I mean come on man have you even played the original?
>>320476030
>>320476028
they come all together
>finish HW1 Remastered
>credits
>no Yes
it was the record jews wasn't it
>>320476097
whoops wrong reply there
Although I do think that my memory of the original is a lot better than it actually is. That UI was rough.
>>320476028
As far as I know, yes. It's a complete package. Wait for the christmas sale.
>>320475836
Fighters always went down quick unless they were a wall of Defenders going up against something not using flak and the like, or a ball of bombers striking an isolated target. Both strategies still worked fine for me in the remaster.
Even if they are weaker in the remaster, the removal of fuel changes their role from combat support to long-distance interception and deterrent; as the fastest class of ship in the game once you remove their range limitation they naturally become about interfering with resource gathering and the like. If they could do that AND also pull off a frontal assault on their own, there would be little purpose for the larger ships.
>pre-order now to get Homeworld Remastered collection for free
>if you already own it, you get 20% off the pre-order
hot damn
>>320476156
iirc the label wanted 20% of profit or something like that
>>320476245
fucking jews, the song was written for the damn game
>tfw independent Vaygr warlord tribes didn't make it into the game
>>320474874
Because it's based on HW2, which didn't have them working like in HW1. And fuck Homeworld and fuck Relic, you play their games for the spectacle and the vaguely working gameplay, not for actually good gameplay.
>>320476290
It would be reasonable if the original game had the same agreement. I doubt that though.
Neat
>>320474783
it can get really fucking boring when you're doing a medium map and its only you playing against bots.
but its still great.
Alright, last one. Been a fun thread everyone, see you in Deserts
>Homeworld
>Master of space RTS
>Now bringing a RTS to ground combat
how did developers think this was a good direction to take?
>>320477224
It's fine if they really WANT to do this. Then they'll take more care. Unless time constraints fuck them, of course, but, so far, that doesn't seem to be the case (extremely little news in a long, LONG while?).
>>320477224
The trailer looks good so far.
>>320477224
It's been said before here but Deserts was originally a separate IP called Hardware: Shipbreakers made by some of the original devs, not set exactly in the HW universe and therefore designed with different mechanics in mind.
It was only recently integrated back into the Homeworld IP after the relative success of Remastered.
Why is Cataclysm so hard to find?
>>320477385
It was a separate IP because they had no rights for the Homeworld. They also said that they were going to make Shipbreakers as a prequel to Homeworld no matter what and deal with legal issues later.
Fucking loved cataclysm felt like a horror RTS game, best homeworld even if it was kinda easy.
>>320477572
Hardware wasn't a true prequel. You can see in this trailer that it was centered around "prospectors" on a planet called LM-27. It borrowed themes from Homeworld but this is clearly a different universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G37cFbkArlw
>>320477757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQgrQVv4rSE
>>320472141
>Burch doesn't work for them anymore.
Not only that, Gearbox is only publishing Deserts of Kharak.
The developers are Blackbird Interactive.
>>320477815
>it wasn't a real prequel because it had different names in it
Did you even read what I just said?
>>320478060
Which is (most of? all?) the original Relic crew.
>>320477757
It was great. Start as a mining clan, come back after all that running as a fighting clan.
Seeing the Bentusi freak out what really sold it for me though.
So is this like a new RTS or something?
>>320478084
Did you even watch the video? Devs stated very explicitly at PAX this year that Hardware was originally its own IP, until Gearbox offered the title.
Nobody in their right mind would just make a game as a prequel and "deal with the legal issues later", are you kidding me?
Homeworld is perhaps the only game I don't remember being so shit
I pirated the remakes and holy fuck it was shitty
Maybe I was young
>New Homeworld
>made by same people
>but plays different
why?
Also, holy shit man porting HW1 with HW2 engine isn't a good idea. Fuck you bitchford.
>>320478608
It was a solid game for its time, however it also laid the basis for a lot of space based RTS stuff. So now that we have all these things as pretty common to that setting/genre, going back and looking at it makes it seem somewhat basic.
The remaster for HW1 though suffers from a lack of it actually being rebuilt around the HW1 engine. It is just the HW2 engine, with some duct tape to cobble together what was needed to make it seem like HW1. And it failed in some respects which is why it feels shit. Also GB don't care about it enough to fix it.
'Kharak is burning' is still one of the most memorable scenes in gaming history.
>>320478413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPuZaeMxZgw
11:30
Trailer looks pretty good senpai.
3D RTS space sucks anyway
>>320482095
You suck.
What did Homeworld 1 to deserve getting his story retconed by 2 and now Deserts of Kharat?
>>320484646
>Kharat
>>320484773
Wops, Kharak i mean.
>>320484646
It was good. Which means that as much money must be milked from the IP as possible.
That being said I am still on the fence about Deserts until I know the full extent of any lore abuse. I just want the gameplay to be good because the RTS genre needs it.
>>320486157
I still say they just need to change the story to be about Makaan and the Vaygr and it will be less of a lore rape.
>>320486524
There is that much confusion around what it was originally intended to be versus what it became and what it is now, that I wouldn't have put it past GB to have strong armed them in the end to make it this lore rapey for brand recognition to push sales. GB would certainly have had the money to tie them up in court, or possibly had enough of a case that they could have won, so it might have been a case of them dictating to Blackbird, rather than them being nice and just letting them use the IP if they want and offer to publish. I mean I want to believe there is still some good in GB, but Pitchford is a cunt and they have a shitty track record of shitty behavior.
>>320472060
Borderlands 2 was a damn fine game, even for single player.
Until they "nerfed" the bee shield because multiplayer faggots cried too much instead of, you know, kicking people who used it.
>>Pre-Order HW remaster
>>10 months later got 65% off
GABEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>320472141
The remaster butchered Homeworld 1, the fuck are you talking about
>>320473832
>purple and green
Fucking hell, 4chan has ruined me.
WEEEEE LIIIIIIVEEE
