Do you agree /v/? Are console exclusives a bad thing?
A good chef can make great food with a campstove.
>>320379782
No-one cares what AnalCancer has to say. Please refrain from posting twitter bullshit.
>>320379869
Wow great point man thanks for posting
>>320379782
Console exclusives are the absolute only thing keeping the console market alive, as you can easily buy a PC of comparable power to current-gen consoles for much cheaper. It's been that way since the previous console gen.
>>320380109
Then why do people buy multiplats for console instead of PC?
>>320379782
Do you know what is not a bad thing?
That this fat fuck will be dead in two years.
>>320379782
I don't get how this guy can complain about stuff like this.
He's can't be so stupid that he doesn't understand the business reasons behind exclusives, so why is he complaining?
Is he pandering to his youtube/reddit audience?
Would he say he's an "idealist" who believes all games should be available everywhere?
I don't get it.
>>320379896
>butthurt sonypony
hilarious
I can't even begin to understand how someone who is going to die soon would waste his time arguing on twitter over meaningless shit.
>>320380234
because piracy is harder on consoles.
>>320379981
get cancer and die
This generation of consoles hasn't seen great exclusives, but dismissing all console exclusives is fucking stupid.
>>320380405
>There is much more to exclusives than "holding games hostage from PC" and you know it.
Yeah, there's also holding them hostage from other consoles.
>>320379782
>food analogies
Argument disregarded.
>>320379782
As long as there are consoles, they better have exclusives because if that's not the case i'm not buying one.
>>320380234
Most of those people can't figure out how installation works.
Or use PC as ad-ware toolbar vault/facebook machine.
>>320380427
I don't think that's the main factor. There are plenty of people who think that the low-entry price of consoles mean that they'll save a buck, without realizing that they are in fact forced to pay a monthly subscription to use their internet connection and thus ending up paying more on long term.
In other words, people are gullible fools.
>>320379782
Why does he care? He'll be dead before it comes out.
>>320379782
I'm an Idort, so I dont care.
>>320379782
>"steak is the best meat"-meme
Who the fuck cooks steak in an oven.
>>320380569
There's funding, taking risks that normal publishers wouldn't, competition, quality control and brand recognition.
Video games really wouldn't be the same without Nintendo, Sega, Sony and Xbox and even PC exclusive genres like RTS. Only someone who joined gaming this generation would be confused by the notion of exclusives.
>>320379782
food analogies should not be allowed
The only people who complain about exclusives are poorfags, pirates when said game(s) cannot be pirated, and platform fanboys.
If a platform has something you're interested in, buy it and play it. If you cannot, then don't complain about it. not everything in life is accessible and fair.
>>320379782
>Steak
>Oven
>>320379782
>food analogies
That aside, console exclusives are bad for consumers and games. There's no question if you're in any way pro-consumer
>>320379782
welp here comes the bussiness expert
The game is coming to PC anyway
http://nichegamer.com/2015/12/sony-is-publishing-hideo-kojimas-completely-new-game-also-coming-to-pc/
>>320379782
>companies are not allowed to invest money into their own development studios to develop games to incentivise you to buy their system
Paid exclusivity and money hating timed releases is bad but not exclusive games themselves. I find the majority of the time a game benefits from being developed for a single platform anyway while PC usual makes for a simple port.
Nintendo has been nothing but exclusive titles for 20 years but I only ever see people throw a bitch fit when Sony gets one or two games.
guys
what the fuck did konami do to him
>>320379782
If you want a game but you don't own the system it's on, tough shit
You can't have your cake and eat it too
>>320379782
>retarded food analogy
You can tell he used to browse this board a lot
>>320380876
Exclusives are against the consumer's interest by default since they force you to buy more than one machine in order to play the games you want. And by putting in money for multiple machines, you have less money for games, but if you want to play more games you have to sacrifice at least one platform to save up the money. Get serious, if you wanna buy all the consoles and a PC you end up paying more than 1500 bucks at minimum, to which you have to add up the online fees for consoles. Not everyone shits money in order to afford all this.
>>320379782
>if the only option is bad steak...I'll just eat the chicken elsewhere
>>320380843
Some people pan fry the steak and then put it in the oven for a short time to finish the insides
>>320380520
>Sit at a desk (yes, like an office desk) to play games
What are comfortable, ergonomic desks and chairs
>Face is two feet away from a 20-30" monitor rather than 10 feet from an 80" screen
Implying this somehow matters given the relative distance
>Uses a literal keyboard to play games (yep, like the same thing used to write documents)
I also use a USB controller. I use both. I guess you have no concept of options
>Constantly complain about graphics rather than being immersed in the game
Graphics and attention to graphical aesthetics by the developers help immersion
>Needs 60fps then 120fps, then 144fps
>Needs 1080p then 1440p then 4k
Does new technology scare you, anon? Are you an old man?
>Decides how they want the game to look rather than letting the artist do it ("excuse me chef, I want my steak served with peanut butter please")
False. All arguments usually stem from poor optimization (due to lazy development and QA) and not much else. Know why? Because we can mod.
>Deal with Windows operating system on a daily basis
I can multitask just fine, it's a shame you cannot
>Rampant piracy
[citation needed] Where are your numbers?
>Tend to be obnoxious and entitled assholes
"BAWW SOMEONE WAS MEEN 2 ME IN AN ONLINE GAME ONCE, NOW ALL GAMERZ R ASSHOLEZ"
>being this much of a c uck
This is kind of pathetic
>>320380616
Consoles have physical copies, their interface is user friendly, it's local multiplayer friendly, they are guranateed to run every relevant game for whole generation, ps+ subription is a service that has more than online play. They also come out as much cheaper in the initial investment as PC comes with peripherals + monitor costs. The only real advantage of PC is that you have more performance depending of how much you are willing to play but most people aren't obsessed with the 60fps meme.
If you enjoy your PC that's cool for you but your cuntish attitude of "literally everyone that doesn't think like me is an inferior peasant" harms your community more than anything. Shut up and be grateful that publishers are willing to port their scraps to steam.
>2015
>eating animal carcasses
>>320381087
nothing
he just got older, decided to stop shampooing his hair everyday, and grew a beard (quite fashionable nowadays for men if you actually go outside)
>>320380520
>have pic related pc
>don't know what games to play with it besides Witcher 3
Had a blast with Fallout 4 & some mods, but by the time the next Elder scrolls get released, I need to upgrade again.
I wonder if I should just sell it, I really wish there's more rts like World in Conflict, SupComm etc.
>>320380616
>I'm retarded and I must shitpost
Some people don't have the money at the time, and will have to save up a while to get that money for a PC, or they can buy an Xbox/Playstation and pay the $30 or so when they do have the money. But a lot of people don't give an absolute fuck about muh 4k 60fps and don't want to bother with PC
LOL
>>320381087
>not wearing designer glasses
>growing a beard
>wearing a suit
I wonder how much of how he looked and acted while working for Konami was all marketing
Exclusives = Competition
Competition is good. There's no problem with exlusives.
SNES vs. Genesis made for a great gen because of competition, for example.
>>320379782
>it's a food analogy episode
>>320381180
Then get a PS4. You won't have any problems with exclusives.
>>320381087
Clearly they took away his immortality medication.
>>320380391
He doesn't think he's going to die duh. Didn't you read what he said? He was like "I'm strong, I can survive long enough for them to find a cure for cancer".
He probably legitimately believes this. Denial is a hell of a thing.
>>320381087
He is turning into Miyazaki
>>320380391
Arguing on the internet is addictive
Also it probably keeps his mind off that
>>320381180
>force
You're not forced to play every game made. If your hobby of playing video games is that strong, then you're choosing to buy multiple platforms to play those games.
>online fees
I enjoyed my 360 without a XBL account after my free trial. I've enjoyed my PS4 as well without PS+.
>not everyone shits money
And you and anyone else against exclusives don't have to play or own every aspect of video games.
God damn fucking PC fags are annoying.
>Sony funds Bloodborne
>Wouldn't exist without this funding
>Release it as an exclusive on their console so that people buy the damn console.
>PC fags indignant and confused as to why it isn't being released on their preferred platform.
Fucking idiots.
>>320379782
i dont know why people think console players only buy consoles because of exclusives. That might be true when they decide between consoles, but not against pc. My favorite games are all multiplats, i have a xbone and i hate halo.
>food analogies
"Double Digit IQ Guide to Arguments"
TB always comes off as a huge fucking crybaby.
if he really doesn't understand the business decisions behind exclusives, then I don't know how he can claim to ever know what the fuck he's talking about.
I swear he just says whatever will appeal to his dumb audience.
>>320380292
Obviously hes just voicing is opinion cause thats how he makes his living.
I agree with him and yes, all vidya should be available to every platform so larger audiences can play. Obviously not as profitable as exclusive deals since xboner and sonychingchongs pay big cash for exclusive deals
>>320380109
No. Multiplats sell far more on consoles than they do on PC. Especially for full price. That's why PC is mostly treated as second class citizen by about any AAA company out there that's only in for the shekels like EA or Ubishit. I think even project red said in an interview that the witcher 3 wouldn't have been made without consoles. The most popular PC games are mostly casual micro transaction fests like league of legends, hearthstone and WoW. You can see consoles making the shift towards this shit aswell since it makes far more money than any other form of video games today.
>>320381196
Don't forget you can also hook up your computer to dat 80" TV and just sit on the couch with a wireless controller now
>>320380380
Probably not quite as butthurt as TotalBiscuit however, I mean he does have cancer of the anus after all
It boggles my mind that people on /v/ actually buy into the exclusive mentality
The only one benefiting from this is publishers
You're literally defending a scheme to jew even more money out of you
>>320380616
>because console players have to pay $60 a year for online
>oh wait you can get it on sale for $30 to $40 a year
>and you "buy" 2 or 3 games a month.
>even if well over half of them are total indie or garbage, thats STILL 6 to 9 good games.
>>320379782
That food analogy is pretty terrible.
>>320381654
>thats how he makes his living.
"It's okay when PC does it" - TotalAssCancer
I'm presuming this is about Kojima?
Every game he was ever involved with is 100% console centric. Even the MSX was. If he's that much of a cuck when it comes to consoles why has he even gone near those games?
Or is it because those games were good enough to own a console for? In which case, completely destroys his analogy.
>>320381654
They don't just pay big cash for exclusive deals, they literally fund them in the first place.
Bloodborne and basically every Platinum game from recent times bar Revengeance wouldn't exist if these companies didn't fund them.
I don't understand why PC fags don't get this.
Reminder that 4chan is 18+
>>320381531
>missing the point
>>320379782
>twitter cap thead
I miss the world before twitter
>>320381781
They always are. I wonder what the mentality is with people always comparing situations with food.
>>320381310
>growing a beard
Every celebrity does it once they get older and absolutely no one finds it attractive.
>>320381838
Fuck that, we should have 25+ boards. 18-24 year olds are still total fucking idiots.
He's right but he's being a little bitch about it as usual.
If you have standards you play on a pc.
I would have bought a ps4 if the game i'm interested in (guess wich one it is, such a large library) was running at an acceptable framerate.
I bought a wii u for bayo, the money is not an issue.
>>320381851
What's the fucking point then you anal retentive retard?
>>320381291
>their interface is user friendly
That hasn't been the case since 6th Gen. Interface on current consoles are incredibly obfuscated and only rivaled by awful android apps like Google music. "Back button? No idea where the fuck it'll tale me but I'm hitting it"
>>320381087
they activated FOXDIE
>>320379782
If consoles are just going to continue to be shitty PCs in boxes, then yes.
>>320380234
so they can play right away
PC you have to deal with steam(so now you have to install a program)
put disc in pc and wait for it to install, pain if you have switch out multiple discs
or if your even more unlucky you dont get a disc, instead a code for the game and have to download it then install it.
console you either put it in and play or max wait of 5-10 minutes for install data and thats it.
>>320381291
Bringing up the monitor as an extra cost for PC is not relevant since a console also needs a TV. You can further argue that most of homes from 1st world countries have both a monitor and a TV, but what matters is that both platforms are on an equal footing
You can get pretty decent peripherals for cheap prices, so you can also replace them for cheap when they break. Controllers on the other hand are not cheap, but granted they're not breaking very often unless you treat them badly.
Sure, PS+ offers you bonus features, but the fact of the matter is that if you want to play online on a console, you gotta pay for it just as you do with Xbox Live. It's a really shitty way to take your money considering that you are essentially paying your privilege of having an internet connection.
>60fps meme
For games that rely on quick reactions and control, 60fps is really necessary. The only genre where the framerate is mainly aesthetic is anything turn-based, but even then managing through the UI is way more comfortable at higher fps
Also remember that genres like First Person Shooters are suffering due to them being made primarily for consoles, since they are designed with a controller in mind, instead of the superior kb+m [superior for this genre, racing games are way better with controllers or racing wheels]
>>320379782
Nintendrones BTFO
>>320381893
I know plenty of women who find beards attractive and I think they look good.
Just because you can't grow one doesn't mean you have to project your insecurities on /v/
>>320381828
They are essentially making big cash. If you get paid 100 million bucks to build a brand new video game and it only ended up costing you 30 million you just ot a big paycheck. Not to mention profit on the units you moved.
Exclusivity agreements allow a company to fund games that otherwise wouldn't have been worthwhile and wouldn't have gotten funded.
It also allows for better optimization and for higher development focus due to not needing to develop for multiple systems.
There's a reason the two best Souls games are the ones only available on Sony consoles.
>>320382069
Wait, who are you accusing of what?
You're accusing From and Platinum of overcharging Sony and Nintendo respectively?
>I'll pay you X millions so that people only get to enjoy your product if they pay me 400 bucks
>This is perfectly acceptable for /v/
>>320381464
Would you rather he gave up and awaited death instead? Losing all hope and willingness to fight won't help him and only worsen his overall well being.
>inb4 edgelords
>>320382041
> wait 5-10 max
Maybe on a Wii U. Day one patches over 3 gig are common on Xbone/PS4
>>320382084
>sony's not allowed to fund a title for the PC
ok
No it causes competition for other gaming companies to get good. Without competition it'll just be multiplats.
>>320379782
This man is about to die. Does he seriosly have nothing better to do than cry about videogames on Twitter?
>>320382182
And are not mandatory, at least on PS4. I dunno what the situation on Xbone is.
>>320381742
But full on exclusives usually exist because that company funded the game, without the funding it wouldn't even exist in the first place. More games are made because of exclusives not the reverse.
>Having games on all platforms is bad
Now I remember why I stopped coming here
>>320382164
>I'll pay you x million to make a game you wouldn't have been able to make otherwise, provided it's exclusive to my range of consoles
>This is a point of contention on /v/
>>320382182
Downloads are slow as fuck on the PS4. Downloaded all the Xenoblade files on the Wii U in no time, but a simple patch for the PS4? Better get it started before going to bed.
>>320381752
Spending less is still spending, anon. And on PC you can find plenty of sales for good games just as well as on consoles with the benefit of not paying for online gaming.
>>320379782
PS4 proved that its no longer about console exclusives now.
Its all about being Firston Playstation
You're not a real gamer if you don't own every sony console. Why would you cuck yourself from great games, and the greatest game machines of the generation?
Pc's are for shit tier moba's and mmo's. And if you play those, you're cancer and a retard
Of course console exclusives are a bad thing for the consumer. But they're a good thing for the console manufacturers, because they get people to buy their consoles, and they're a good thing for the publishers because they get paid by the console manufacturers. That's why it'll keep happening.
>>320379782
>Analogy overly convoluted
I saved this because it explains why exclusives are retarded as hell so simply even a literal retard can get it
>>320381401
Exclusives made more sense when the architecture of the hardware was much different.
I don't have as much of a problem with first party exclusives but third party is retarded most of the time
I'm sure his steak and chicken analogy sounded a lot better in his head.
>>320382325
Go to PS4 wifi settings, set DNS server to 0.0.0.0
PS4 downloads are now as fast as they would be on anything else.
>>320382308
>>320382314
Games being entirely funded by Sony / Nintendo / Microsoft is the exception
Most "exclusives" are simple deals between the platform owner and a publisher of a game that would've been / is being developed either way
>>320382228
As long as the port happens 10 years from now
>>320382145
This general not an accusations.
If im a scientist and im funded 100 million dollars to find the cure for a illness, but only end up using half, the remaining money goes in my pocket, they wont Ask for it back.
thats the paycheck you get from your funders. Now il mAke money off the cure as well since they are essentially selling your work ( unless its promised that your work is property of the funder)
>>320382308
company funds that game to move their hardware. the game could still be funded for the PC, but they want more interest in their system.
using BB as an example, it helped sell more playstations. the game still would have sold a million copies on the PC, but they wanted to make more money by making it an exclusive title.
>>320381501
>You're not forced to play every game made. If your hobby of playing video games is that strong, then you're choosing to buy multiple platforms to play those games.
You're still forced to make a sacrifice because of the exclusivity of certain games, how's that good for the consumer? Wouldn't it be better if we could play ANY game we are interested in instead?
>>320379869
Yeah, but why would a good chef get/use a campstove when they can make much better stuff using an oven.
>>320382182
That's because of the disconnect between physical media and the digital age.
A game is released months after the code is finalized, the developer spends that time working, and delivers the work at release.
That's why they tend to be last minute performance tweaks.
Like most other things people bitch about on /v/, this is actually a good thing, with a reasonable explanation.
For the people who own other consoles, yeah. I hate this argument because of the double standards, most exclusivity these days is because console producers basically outright fund games, without them the game wouldn't exist, if they decide they should be exclusive (to whatever platform) that's their right and it's the right move for them. If they decide otherwise then its their right and its the right move for them. The only people who get bent out of shape by exclusivity are fucking whiny faggots, or shitposters. Or whiny faggot shitposters.
This isn't the fucking 90s anymore and exclusives are a less and less important part of the industry so you're not even missing out on much anyway, and if that bothers you then you should buy the fucking console if you want the game that much.
Exclusives have always been the most infuriating part of console wars for me, all the bitching in the world won't change shit so either buy the console with the game you want or get over it, jesus.
>>320382389
Don't worry, the PC version will come out 10 years after the PS4 becomes irrelevant
>>320380292
Yeah he's pretty clueless when it comes to the business side of things.
Exclusive games are generally funded or tailored for that console (like the Wii). Part of funding the game is keeping it exclusive.
If investors can't be found elsewhere it's the only way some games would be able to exist.
Bayonetta 2 sounds like it wouldn't have happened without Nintendo. It's not coming to PC anytime soon. That wouldn't help Nintendo.
He's not right.
The gaming industry is currently resists a race to the bottom driven by 2 major factors:
#1 Mobile gaming
It's cheap to make, has incredibly high ROI, and the consumers don't give two shits about quality. This is where most of the industry's growth is coming from, as well as the uglier monetization and design ideas.
#2 Steam
Steam is an immense culprit in causing people to severely devalue games. A game with high to moderate production values is apparently not worth $60 to PC players. Not even $40, or $20, or even $10. It sends a very clear message to developers:
"Your products are near worthless, and unless they cost a couple of bucks I won't buy them."
This is already pretty egregious considering how fucking expensive traditional games are to make these days. What makes things WORSE is that combined with point #1, you create millions of people who view videogames' worth somewhere between FREE and $10.
So the last bastion of traditional games (consoles) keeping investors from going FULL OMEGA JEW F2P MOBILESQUE GAMING STYLE BULLSHIT is a good thing.
Every time I see a Steam Sale or a gaggle of women on a bus with the latest garbage mobile game, I see a shitastic future ahead for games.
Exclusives are the only reason that consoles sell as well as they do.
And they limit games to how well they can be made. Take Overwatch for example, they dumbed down controls and simplified a ton of things because they made it with consoles in mind. Without consoles they could have made the game more interesting.
On the other hand most exclusives wouldn't have been made without consoles in the first place
And most people would stay buy a console even if they didn't have exclusives because a computer is like magic to them.
It's not as black and white as most people think, altough i do agree that consoles are limiting the games that are made because they have to support shitty console hardware as well.
His analogy is flawed. I think that TB has putting on the master-race thing as an act for so long that he's started believing it.
There is literally nothing wrong with playing and enjoying a console exclusive. Any more than there is anything wrong with playing and enjoying a game that is exclusively found on PC.
Truly, idorts are the master race. I can play Halo on my xbone with some friends, or perhaps some Smash Bros on Wii U, hop over and play Bloodborne on my PS4 and then maybe jump into some assfaggots / CS / RTS on PC before playing Hearthstone on my phone.
Only a child would limit themselves to one platform over the other, and praise its virtues whilst decrying the others.
>>320381654
>all vidya should be available to every platform so larger audiences can play
That doesn't make sense. What if the game is made for a specific control scheme that is intrinsic for that platform. Should that be changed just so a larger audience can play, when there is really nothing hindering said larger audience playing the game in the first place? Should games made for one specific hardware in mind be available on platforms they won't get sales on, leading to increased costs for no reason? Maybe you can port later, but it might still be a waste of money and time.
If you want to play a game, then accept that you might need one specific piece of hardware and move on. Havign some exclusives might help drive creativity and some competition is hardly bad from a consumer point of view.
>>320382541
Maybe without video games I'll be forced to find some interesting hobbies and become a more likeable person.
>>320380520
>>Needs 60fps then 120fps, then 144fps
>>Needs 1080p then 1440p then 4k
It's so weird when people spin objectively superior qualities as negatives.
It's like saying that my car can go twice as fast as yours and has comfier upholstery and you going ">NEEDS SPEED! NEEDS COMFORT!"
That's a really bad analogy. Is the type of food games? Why does he reference different types of foods at different places? Good chefs are good chefs because of their skills, not equipment. You can have great campfire food. Open flame cooking creates some of the most flavorful meat dishes.
Besides the shit analogy, exclusives are good for the amount of funding they get. More money, the higher PROBABILITY of being a good game. That's not necessarily true that the more money a game has for development, the better it will be, but it does increase the odds with budget stability and staff quality. Plus, the rights holders can choose to make the game not exclusive after the exclusivity fact, and take in more money. The rights are still exclusive.
Thank god he's dead soon. He doesn't understand analogies or business or customer satisfaction.
>>320382475
>the game still would have sold a million copies on the PC
Bullshit.
No way of knowing it would've sold that much.
Not to mention that developers make far less per PC unit sold than consoles, something EA, Ubisoft, Activision, 2K, etc... have all divulged in their investor meetings.
>>320382050
Most 1st world homes have an HD TV since most people watch the goddamn TV. In this day an age why would a home have a monitor when laptops and tablets are dominating the PC market and desktops are going extinct with the mainstream?
I don't even think it's worth arguing with you PC memers. Your "facts" on consoles are blatantly wrong, you spread misinformation and you are of bad faith.
I listed a bunch of solid reasons to own and play on consoles and all I got is "b-but muh PC!" and ""b-but sony". Fuck you. This attitude is why normal people stay away from PC.
>>320382563
>Exclusives are the only reason that consoles sell as well as they do.
This isn't the 90's mate. Completely unironically, both the PS4 and Xbones sales are entirely related to its media features given that they had huge sales when they had very few games and even fewer exclusives.
It may be a factor for a few individuals, but Exclusives are probably not even on the top 5 deciding factors for the average pleb these days.
> Price
> What friends have
> Quality of games (relative to other console)
> Amount of games
> P - R - I - C - E
> Exclusives
>>320382429
>Most "exclusives" are simple deals between the platform owner and a publisher of a game that would've been / is being developed either way
But developed worse.
You think the studio gets nothing out of these deals? Why do you think they do them?
They get money, or publishing, or marketing, development tools, or whatever else. Without those, the game would suffer, as the studio has to replace them itself from its finite time and budget.
>>320382485
But why? That's an arbitrary viewpoint.
Why shouldn't the default be owning every console? There's no inherent reason. It's arbitrary.
There isn't platform exclusive DVD formats, but there was in the past, until all but one died out. There IS platform exclusive digital content, IE, Netflix has some exclusive stuff, Hulu has some other stuff, etcetera.
It's basic capitalism. It'll continue until all but one die out, but that isn't a guaranteed event. The status quo could continue indefinitely.
>>320382702
>More money, the higher PROBABILITY of being a good game.
Naaaaaaaah
>>320380380
Had a top of the line PC longer than you have been alive, faggot.
One thing I care less about than Console war faggotry is E-celeb faggotry.
Kill yourself.
>>320382541
Exactly this. The hobby we're all used to with sound design principles, effort put into artwork, music, etc... is pretty much endangered at the moment.
>>320380849
>Only someone who joined gaming this generation would be confused by the notion of exclusives.
Only someone who started gaming yesterday would ever think that exclusives are in any way a good thing for anyone.
On a consumer level its bad and on a business level its bad.
Consumers dont get to play your game if they own a different console, very rarely will a game come out that will make consumes buy your console. Thats already been proven this console generation via Halo and Tomb Raider.
Business side of thigns its a bad idea because you are literally limiting your profit margin, the only offset you get is if the publisher paid out a shit ton of money. By saying 'Im only gonna allow people who bought a spoon to buy this coca cola' you're cutting off the money you would earn from everyone who bought a fork instead.
You literally have to be legally declared retarded if you think exclusives are a good thing for anyone but the company that make the console. If its a first party game - even then its bad for it to be exclusive. Hell if KojiPro 2.0s game sells 10+ million on the ps4 - it would just mean they made less money thenth ey could have made if it was available to every system it could feasibly work on.
>>320379782
All that rant when we already know Kojima's new game will be out on PC anyways.
And >>320379869
first post nailing it
>>320382541
Devs make more with ever digital purchase over a physical one, don't they?
I though the idea was that if games are distributed digitally, devs could give bigger discounts since they would be saving money anyway from shipping costs and whatnot.
>>320379782
Where's the Dobson comic edit about being so fat that you make analogies using food?
>>320382694
That was a poor anology because car people are the worst. I'd rather deal with a /v/ or /mu/ or /k/ elitist than an /o/ elitist.
>>320382805
Look at exclusives over the years. It's a pretty recent aggregate trend that exclusive games are starting to get worse and worse. Great exclusives still come out. There's just more stinkers popping up.
>>320382694
Well i'm all for quality but there is a point of diminishing returns in terms of visual quality. Yeah right now many games are lacking but he is right that the type of people pushing for 60fps/1080p are probably the ones going to bitch and moan when we get there that it's not better.
It's not so much a negative, but it's probably the main reason big companies can get away with not listening to the people who complain about that stuff because they'll literally never be satisfied by what the average developer can do with their time.
>>320379782
Is there any reason why it's always food analogies that people escape to and bring up whenever they try to make an argument?
>>320382639
>That doesn't make sense. What if the game is made for a specific control scheme that is intrinsic for that platform
But that doesn't usually happen. Racing games on PC can still be played with kb+m despite that it's objectively inferior to using a racing wheel for example. Also most of the exclusives exist solely to push console sales and have little to no technical motivation behind them
>Havign some exclusives might help drive creativity and some competition is hardly bad from a consumer point of view
Healthy competition is one that is free and without roadblocks. In this case it's the consoles who compete and they rely solely on exclusives to one-up eachother since their architecture and specs are roughly the same. This is not promoting creativity, it only benefits the corporation with deeper pockets that can grab as many exclusives as possible.
>>320382165
dude is going to die, and he is wasting time on twitter instead of doing lots of illegal shit he can get away with it since he is going to die
I assume this thread is about Kojima. Is it confirmed he is part of SCE now or what? Yesterday people were saying he was and then someone came in and said it was mistranslated.
this is kinda taken out of context, the first tweet was a while ago and about that 5 hour game on the ps4 and how they compared their own game to streak
From an individual's point of view, he's right.
Creative IPs funded by console manufacturers are great for variety and quality in the industry though, otherwise you'd end up with MOBAs, card games and f2p FPS out the wazoo. So console exclusives have a reason to be.
>>320382961
they're fat fucks
Are mustards just upset the only worthwhile exclusives they have can be played on a toaster?
>>320382767
So much truth in this fucking post.
Desktop PCs are dying fucking hard, so hard that Dell and other manufacturers are looking into other market segments.
Gaming PC components is on the rise, but that's not saying much. Going from 0 to 1 is a rise, but it's still minuscule. PCs that trounce consoles are a vanishingly small part of the market.
Which is why the concept of a Steam Machine is so stupid. They've created a product for a market segment that doesn't exist.
>>320382069
Unless you're kojima, then you get paid 100 million and end up making a game that costs 150 million
>>320382994
Yeah, Sony bought him and his studio up.
They're only saying it's coming to PC to not sound so cutthroat.
>>320382994
He started an independent studio.
Sony is publishing his first game.
It's not MGS or Silent Hill related.
That's all Sony/Koji confirmed.
>>320382794
Do you seriously not understand the bigger picture
This is a scheme. Platformholders earn money via hardware, then give some of that money to developers to keep the hardware relevant.
Where does that money come from?
It's circular and the only one injecting money into the circle is you, the consumer. It's the exact same as simply increasing the asking price for games combined with strong DRM, except it's so contrived people actually fall for it because they don't understand what's happening. It's a deal between publishers and platformholders to jew more money out of you which is then split between them
>>320379782
Honestly, had Kojima announced it was exclusive to the PC, I bet TB wouldn't be throwing such a shit fit. Hell he'd probably be making shitty PC master race posts
Its okay when PC gets their exclusives but not muh evil consoles
>>320382313
Except it's not what it's about. It's about "every game ever made should come to PC regardless of who funded it or the economic dynamics behind it because I paid more for my toy".
>>320382863
>"B-b-but I want to play Mario on my PS4!!"
If you want to play Nintendo games, you buy the fucking Nintendo console.
Thats always been how it is, so quit your bitching.
>people trying to argue that a game funded by sony/microsoft/nintendo wouldn't do well on the PC
>not realizing the only reason these three companies don't bother is because making it console exclusive will make them more money
as a consumer it sucks. if I worked for those companies, I'd be telling all of you to fuck off and buy our overpriced toys if you want to play our games.
This has got to be one of the worst analogies I have ever read.
Let's fix it to make it more accurate.
>Console exclusives, You want food, you like food. Only Denny's is allowed to serve particular dishes made by particular chefs now.
>It's taste varies. Denny's is the restaurant who serves the food, but their food is not necessarily made by Denny's, some is outsourced to non Denny's chefs. Also Denny's makes dishes that vary in quality and some Denny's made food may be palatable to me.
>I am interested in your particular dish made by a particular chef, but I do not like that I have to go to Denny's to eat it, I wish I could eat it somewhere else as well. Please make it so Denny's competitors can serve the same food exclusive to Denny's because I don't like the Denny's brand. Even though that would be disadvantageous to Denny's to do so.
>I like this particular dish made by this particular chef, but if the only option I have is to abandon my irrational hatred for all Denny's products, I just won't eat it anyway, I will eat something completely different.
A good thing this fat fuck won't be along much longer. Can't believe people actually read this shit and agree with it. Absolute morons.
>>320382904
Publishers are the ones taking care of shipping costs. You also have to take into account that unless your game is on Steam and even then if it's not on the front page you won't get those digital PC sales. If your game is on Steam then you have Valve taking their massive cut of the profits on top of everyone else.
>>320382541
>"Your products are near worthless, and unless they cost a couple of bucks I won't buy them."
as opposed to a world without steam where pirates pay $0 right? atleast with steam and origin devs make money
>>320383073
So consoles are dead as well because of the handheld market.
that may be the worst analogy I've ever seen
>>320383171
Same when Nintendo funds Bayonetta. Everyone screamed about how WITHOUT THEN IT WOULDNT EXIST SUCK IT UP! Same is true here but they're also releasing it on PC.
Double standards on this topic is so fucking aggravating.
Holy fuck, does this fat fuck not know that there was a 99.9% probability that Kojima would have been stuck doing mobile shit if Sony didn't fund him? Having a name alone does jack shit, Kojima was fired and his new studio doesn't have a portfolio to prove themselves. He was lucky as fuck that he got a deal as quickly as he did and was able to build up his team. It sucks that it was a console publisher, but he would have been stupid to say no. Seriously, what other alternative would he have had? Kickstarter? Indiegogo? Yeah, no.
>>320379782
he just sounds like a butthurt mustard who is going to die of cancer in a couple years anyway and therefore doesn't have a relevant opinion
>>320381893
Mark Hamill's new beard is pretty gud
>>320382767
So my arguments are so false that you can't bother coming up with counterarguments? Neat stuff. Also I never apologized
Laptops are inferior to PCs since they sacrifice affordability and specs [mainly because of heat management issues] for portability. Don't get me wrong, laptops are very useful for getting work done but for gaming they're not worth it since you can outspec an $1000 laptop with below $600 for a PC.
>>320383073
Steam machines have the same problems as laptops. Severely overpriced for what they offer under the hood.
food to video-game analogies are the most low cultured consumer trash thing you can fucking say
>>320383209
Consumers have no rights.
If you want Product A but it's only available in Product A store, you go to Product A.
You don't demand Product A should be sold in every store.
That's not how adults work.
>>320383182
Exactly. Nothing has changed in this industry. It's the same now as it was 20 years ago.
>>320383269
>Kojima was fired and his new studio doesn't have a portfolio to prove themselves.
except an entire FOX engine that they made from scratch at konami's expense
>Console Exclusives are evil
>PC Exclusives are super cool though
TB is a hypocrite.
>>320382961
It's really just fat pigs being programmed to think about food constantly. Seriously. They resort to thinking about what they know best, and that's shoveling food into their mouths. Same as a banker or CEO might make metaphors about money, fat fucks make analogies about food.
>>320383171
exactly, because pc gets the better version
how is it hard to understand ? even if you get an exclusive you have to live with the fact that it's going to be highly limited in tons of ways to make it run on your shit machine
the only satisfaction you get is that only for you
>>320383171
Now him and his games are Sony exclusive, so of course TB is mad
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED TO BE TOLD THIS BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT
>GAMING ON PC IS A MEME
LOOK, I OWN A REALLY NICE PC, OKAY? I GET IT, I DO
BUT HOLY FUCK REALIZE WE'RE A TINY FUCKING MINORITY
THERE ARE MORE PS4 OWNERS
THAN "PC BETTER THAN A PS4" OWNERS
WE. ARE. A. TINY. VOCAL. MINORITY. IT'S A FUCKING MEME.
THE VAST VAST MAJORITY OF PC GAMERS PLAY ON A FUCKING TOASTER THAT RUNS *WORSE* THAN A PS4
>>320383225
Well thats a Steam problem and not a digital distribution problem.
And now we're stuck with a service that takes up 40% of the PC marketshare, so your game may as well be dead on launch if it isn't released on Steam.
>>320383327
It helps that he lost weight.
>>320382541
>So the last bastion of traditional games (consoles) keeping investors from going FULL OMEGA JEW F2P MOBILESQUE GAMING STYLE BULLSHIT is a good thing.
Right because none of the console developers are adding microtransactions to their full priced games.
>Forza
>Destiny
>Halo 5
>driveclub
>Gran Turismo
Oh wait.
Also aren't the best selling mobile games 3 year old games like Clash of clans and candy crush?
I don't really see developers abandoning ship and rushing to the mobile platform. The best selling ones are King and Supercell who never made PC/console games anyway.
>>320382563
Like i already said in my post, some people would still buy consoles.
>>320383369
He's just mad Sony will give you PC games in 2025
>>320383387
>TINY FUCKING MINORITY
not true though and there's no need to swear.
where exactly does he propose kojima get his funding from if he doesn't do an exclusive game? valve?
>>320382429
Literally the only titles anyone around here gives a fuck about are the publisher funded ones though.
People want Bloodborne, Last Guardian, Bayonetta 2, Scalebound and Nier: Automata. Games specifically funded by publishers.
Who gives a fuck about Rise of the Tomb Raider?
>>320383243
No, dedicated handheld gaming devices are dead thanks to the rise of mobile phones. Nice try though.
What the fuck is with the game industry and steak metaphors
I'm surprised TB is even talking about Kojima, he never gives Japanese games or devs the time of day. Seems a little racist to me.
>>320383269
Forgot to add that it's coming to PC anyways so he the entire rant was pointless.
>>320383368
Konami owns that though, he doesn't even have an engine with him.
>>320383368
Does Konami own FOX engine now?
>>320382982
>But that doesn't usually happen.
But why shouldn't it? Why should somethings be limited to have to take all control schemes in account when that is pretty terrible for the consumer? In fact, the console market ironically help the PC market by developing a much wider variety of controller options that would never exist without it.
Having to port something to everything lowers the overal ambitions as it is more work that needs to work on all platforms. The market is not necessarily there, and the technical specs might not be up to par to do what the creators want.
Allow me to ask you this. Should all games be playable on (virtually) all PC hardware? Even when that goes against the design of the game itself?
>This is not promoting creativity
Says you. Who knows what games wouldn't exist without platform exclusivity. Look at Bayo 2 for a good example.
>>320382961
Have you ever been so fat you look at computers and see food?
>>320383214
Wow, a tripfag being not retarded. still filtered you anyway.
>>320382863
Exclusives aren't bad on business level, otherwise they wouldn't be used. Nintendo only holds afloat thanks to their bunch of IPs which started 20+ years ago. Sony is not so much, but they too have good exclusives which are now associated with every sony console. Xbox is a mess only bought by dudebros who literally don't know any better and just want to play their sports and shooters in their living room. And if everything would be multiplat then everyone (everyone means a living room gamer, PC-only is a minority in the first world) would go for xbox instead.
>>320383465
except nobody cares about BB or TLG anymore lol
>>320383365
no demanding, friend. just pointing out how exclusivity helps the devs and publishers, not the consumer.
No. But I'm counting down on the next good thing to happen to gaming communities.
Why does a man who exclusively speaks for Pkeks dictating whats going on in other gaming markets he has no interest in?
>>320383369
I usually enjoy TB, but seriously, fuck him.
He is currently shilling out hard for XCOM 2, a PC exclusive game, but crying over not getting a game from a developer he has admitted to not enjoying.
Dude hasn't even got all the information and decided to flame them for nothing.
>>320383387
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU BUT PLEASE STOP SCREAMING AT ME!
>>320383401
I remember /v/ shit on several indies who were complaining that Valve was taking a bigger and bigger cut of profits for games on Steam compared to years ago.
I mean, why WOULDN'T they? You have a legion of religious faggots demanding everything get put on Steam, buy ONLY through Steam, etc... Steam is well on the way to monopolizing the PC platform as the way to get games.
All that's left is for them to team up with Apple's set top box and utterly fuck both markets.
>>320383498
>>320383507
even if konami owns it, a portafolio is still just showing the work you CAN do. I'm not saying he should remake an engine from scratch but that's enough for sony to see what he's capable of so it's not like he was kicked out of his parent company with nothing to his name.
Most games should be exclusive. It helps focus design and allows for more variance. It almost works like evolution, closed ecosystems tend to be more varied than open ones.
Look at the libraries of each console pre-PS360 era and post, and despair at the variety and depth of titles.
As for the retard in the OP tweets, his argument can only be extended as far as raw graphical power, arguably one of the least important aspects of game design.
>>320383457
Why EA or Activision of course! That way it can be on EEEEVERYYTHIINNG! With no downsides what's not to love! That was surely the better option and Kojima fucking RUINED IT!
>>320379782
Well it's not like he's gonna be playing the game when it comes out. Hell I don't think he'll be around long enough to see the teaser trailer.
>>320383541
kek. I'm sure.
>>320383214
no, no, he's saying it's made by ONLY Denny's because, Like consoles, Denny's is only able to make crude facsimiles of the real thing.
I'll never get the people that way PC gaming is expensive.
The initial expense is obviously more expensive but an 1100 dollar computer vs a 500 dollar console the computer pays for itself very quickly and will be a lot cheaper in the long run. Not to mention games will look and run better.
>>320383638
There is no more open a platform than the PC and the variety of games available there puts all generations of consoles to shame.
>>320383473
because their only reference point for food is doritos and hot pockets so steak is the greatest shit ever in comparison
>>320383638
This.
I honestly think exclusivity fosters creativity because console producers have to take risks, fund games and try to one up eachother, creating competition that drives creativity resulting in more, better games for the consumre.
Look at this current generation and tell me we're in a better state than the PS2 era in terms of the quality, quantity and variety of the average games created for all major consoles.
>>320383690
It's only cheaper if you pirate everything, 1100 dollar computer is a meh and will be obsolete faster than said 500 dollar console will, you'll probably have to do a major upgrade before the next gen comes around.
>>320383690
because they're lazy and unwilling to learn.
>>320383690
Plus Sony will give permission to port Kojima's game in 10 years or so and it'll be irrelevant by the time it comes out on PC
>>320383690
but you need to buy a $300 gfx card every year if you want to run the latest games in ultra settings. and if you aren't running games in ultra, whats the fucking point in owning a gaming pc?
comparing video games to food is always dumb as fuck and never actually works
also
>complain consoles are useless due to lack of exclusives
>complain consoles are bad thanks to exclusives
>>320381479
>Metal Gear was a fucking mistake
>>320383441
That's just leakage.
Look at the stuff in MGSV. The FOB shit. That's only the tip of the iceberg of the bullshit we'd get should consoles fail, and the faggot mobile evangelist investors get their way.
Developers won't run to mobile if consoles fail.
They won't run to PC.
They'll leave the industry. Consoles failing would signify the medium is incapable of sustaining traditional games.
The floor would fall out from beneath everyone and the norm for video games would be mobile slop on mobile and the Steam version of mobile slop (F2P, MMOs, MOBA, etc...) on PC.
The traditional game would be rare as fuck going forward because the market won't support it.
>>320379782
>STEAK
>Oven
>Chicken
>>320383638
Amen. Golden age of PC gaming in the 2000s, and golden ages of console gaming from the 80s to the 2000s all consisted of having so many platform exclusive games.
Kids today can't imagine turning on their PC to play the latest RTS like Generals or RA2, and afterwards turn on their PS2 to play FFX or Ace Combat 4, and after that turning on their Gameboy to play Pokemon or Harry Potter.
Its always got to be "put it on PC or you're offending me".
This industry has slowly gone to shit.
>>320383827
And you're exactly why retards buy consoles.
>>320383509
My argument was that a small number of exclusives exist because of the technical reasons you mention. 95% of console exclusives are there solely because Sony or Microsoft paid money to the studios since most of those games would work perfectly fine on PC [or even better in the case of shooters].
Current gen consoles have the same architecture as PCs, so porting should be easier than it ever was. Therefore I don't think porting on all platforms would represent a big sacrifice.
> Who knows what games wouldn't exist without platform exclusivity. Look at Bayo 2 for a good example.
A sequel is not exactly the best example of creativity if you'd ask me. Also for Bayonetta's lack of success you have to blame the Western media that currently is into a very puritanical phase where all attractive women are considered "wrong".
>>320379782
Is his goal to become the most obnoxious e-celeb on social media before he finally dies painfully and horribly?
>This game I don't give a shit about and would probably never play is exclusive to a console
>WHAT THE FUCK!? HERE'S WHY ITS WRONG EVEN THOUGH I'LL NEVER PLAY IT.
This is you, TB.
Oh but I bet you'd be sucking Kojima's dick if he said it was exclusive to PC. Fucking hypocrite.
>>320383457
Thin air.
It's like he didn't stop to think about where Kojima's funding would come from. He's a lot like a religious fundamentalist: He's dedicated to purity (PC) even if it's irrational. The dogma is important, not everything else.
>>320383472
So what are these PC manufacturers going into and why are console manufacturers also not going into it?
>constantly say how great PC gaming is
>constantly complain about poor optimization
>>320379782
>bad thing
Well from the perspective of a consumer they are - I like video games, not Sony or Microsoft.
And the only thing exclusives bring me is additional cost sunk into hardware I have no need for.
If there is an argument for exclusives it's either on the Nintendo or PC sides and even then it mostly just boils down to some technical aspect - Nintendo has succesfully implemented some gimmicks that make the games unplayable on any other platform. On the PC side of things we have stuff like RTS games or twitch shooters, which just don't work with controllers or are too resource demanding.
But the so called exclusives for both Xbox and PS have no real claim for being so restricted aside from the respective platform holders needing to push their HW.
>>320379782
Well maybe Denny's is making great profit margins from their shitty steak, so they have no reason to let any other stores make it.
If the steak isn't for you, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to force it down your throat.
>>320383547
They help the consumer because it strengthens the product they purchased. Sony's success with the PS4 and its exclusives draws consumers (who want to play those exclusives) and developers (who want to pander to the people who were drawn in by those exclusives).
Businesses exist to make money, and exclusives are a tried and true way of doing this. We are not entitled to access to any game released.
>>320383772
That's only because it has become the dumping ground for every game, ever.
Look at FPS games. Would PC FPS games be better or worse if they were primarily PC exclusive, and console FPS games stayed on console? They'd almost certainly be better because they could be designed with PCs in mind, but everything has to be common denominator now.
Because different people want to play different things and put in different amounts of effort.
Surprise surprise, most people want to have something ready out of the box for a decent price and aren't constantly buying games on sales or pirating them on consoles.
>900-1100 dollars for a PC
>150 dollars a year for games
>1050-1250 spent in the first year
>upgrade PC parts every few years
>250-350 for a console
>150-200 a year on games, factoring in used over new
>No need to upgrade over life cycle of the console
I'm not saying consoles are better than PCs or vice-versa, but different people want different things. The average consumer isn't concerned with top of the line graphics, they just want it to look cool and be affordable.
PC is great for the enthusiast and hobbyist who really wants to get the most out of everything. That always has, and always will be niche though.
>>320383674
What he's saying is wrong. First of all, let's assume that in this case Denny's is Nintendo or Sony. Do Nintendo and Sony consoles have exclusives to their consoles that aren't necessarily made by Nintendo or Sony? Yes right? If so, we can't say Denny's is MAKING anything, rather, Denny's is serving. You can only play these games on Nintendo or Sony consoles, the same way you can only be served a particular food at Denny's.
To say "only able to make crude facsimiles of the real thing" is wrong as well. The real thing in this case is the GAME. How could the game developers of Super Mario Galaxy make a crude facsimile of Super Mario Galaxy, when the only Super Mario Galaxy that exists is the one they created? He's equating the genera, game or perhaps genre, with the specific game title. It's a false analogy. The entire analogy is based off of false equivalencies.
What he meant to say, or imply was that if when constructing their recipe, the chef's if working at Olive Garden instead of Denny's their original product would be better than had they originated the recipe at Denny's. This opens up a whole new can of absurd worms that I don't feel the need to address. The whole point is, that the analogy was garbage.
>>320384147
Similar problem to early last gen except it was worse. Still waiting on PC to die like they said was going to happen back then.
>>320383690
It's almost as expensive as a PS4 to hit graphics similar to it, all while dealing with incomplete controller support, dealing with drivers, etc...
You may not care, but many people don't want to fuck with all that when they get home from work. As soon as PC gamers understand the market, the sooner people like you will stop footing that foolish argument.
I don't know why people always say PC is the bigger and better market when shit like The Witcher, originally a PC exclusive sells more on consoles now and has probably made more money since PC owners are the jewest of jews and only get games for less than $10.
>Hating Denny's
shit taste
>>320379782
>Are console exclusives a bad thing?
No.
PC ports are for pirates.
>>320383947
It fucking hurts to see how the hobby has deteriorated.
There was INTENSE competition back in the day, not just between platform owners but developers themselves.
PC gamers had a lot more comraderie and appreciation for games as a whole.
The advent of constant multiplats and Steam has created entitled, bratty fags.
>>320379782
>listening to total "you don't even need to play games to be a judge or review them" biscuit
>>320383690
>500 dollar console
theyre 300.
And I'd rather play my games on release than hope they even come to my PC.
I use my PC for games that require M+KB. Anything else I'll just buy on console.
>>320383947
I'm feeling like all these mustards only recently transitioned to PC and they are literally playing console games on PC. Back in the day you played completely different shit on these platforms. I wish we could get rid of upgrading pc parts too, or at least make it completely optional and just get some kinda universal dongle that you can just stick to a monitor/TV and have a massive library of games without having to worry about hardware at all. In the long run, PC ha has become quite expensive and was it really worth it for what the experience is today? To play console games with better image quality? That's subjective of course but for me absolutely not.
>>320379782
Well ultimately, console exclusives take away value. For every exclusive you get on your console, you lose the opportunity to play another game that becomes an exclusive on a different console. Except, you don't gain any additional value by the game being an exclusive for your console. All it means is that a certain segment of the gaming population doesn't get to play the game.
When a console attempts to sell itself by highlighting its exclusives, it is literally selling you negative value. Consoles compete to reduce value for customers and customers will argue over whose console is decreasing the most value for the rival consoles and even develop a fierce tribal loyalty over it.
Its fucking absurd.
>>320384547
Denny's blows, dude.
>>320384028
Kek but I don't even own a console mate, I've been playing on PC my whole life, native games and emulating, only owned a ps3 for a year then sold it. So, consoles are cheaper if you buy games on steam and not just pirate them. NVidia is shit with their hardware-gimping drivers, AMD is still a roulette in every game, or scratch that, while there are certainly good ports there are always bad ones too, unlike on consoles, which will let you play most relevant games smoothly for 5-7 years without any additional upgrades, meanwhile we see mess on PC like arkham city or just cause 3 or whatever. Yeah, I said smoothly, 30fps is usually better than what you will get on a PC that wasn't upgraded in past 2-3 years, even counting in the inferior graphics (and mind you, many games out there have the same graphics on pc and consoles, most developers don't even bother upgrading it when porting). And sure having a high-end PC setup is a whole another level than a console hooked up even to a decent tv, but it takes many times more money.
>>320384087
His whole shtick is the bitter PC Master Race fag.
Rule #1: Never believe your own lies.
He has become his routine, and it just looks more pathetic on a dying man than it does a /v/ troglodyte posting Master Race images.
>>320384031
>My argument was that a small number of exclusives exist because of the technical reasons you mention.
And this is hardly a reason for more porting, I think it's a better reason to focus more on excusivity to employ the features of the hardware and controls better instead of designing something to be put on everything.
> 95% of console exclusives are there solely because Sony or Microsoft paid money to the studios since most of those games would work perfectly fine on PC [or even better in the case of shooters].
Stop taking numbers out of your ass. Several exclusives come from first party studios. Of course they paid money, they own them!
>Therefore I don't think porting on all platforms would represent a big sacrifice.
But why? What if the market doesn't exist? Why port when there is nothing to gain? How about you put up some numbers instead of making baseless assumptions.
>A sequel is not exactly the best example of creativity if you'd ask me.
The game wouldn't eve exist without someone funding it and keeping it exclusive. That a game studio could make a game they wanted to make at the expense of exclusivity is very much an argument that it certainly doesn't oppose creativity.
I don't know how you'd get games not existing (take a look at the entire Nintendo cataloge) as opposing creativity.
Also, porting PC exclusives wouldn't necessarily work well on consoles. Take the Wii U as one example, it probably cannot run some games at all. If games should be available on all platforms, why should they not port to Wii U? Why should the devs limit themselves when they can go for less limitations on other systems? And that is ignoring handheld systems altoghether. But enjoy backpedaling on that one.
>>320384141
They're not tied at the hip, different market segments. There are many articles explaining why the planet is abandoning PCs en masse.
>>320384110
TB owns all the consoles so he can play games that aren't on PC.
>>320384745
> PC ha has become quite expensive and was it really worth it for what the experience is today
Only it's quite a bit cheaper now than it was in the 90's/2000's.
Individual hardware is cheaper and the rate of progress is much slower. Remember when your shiny new CPU became obsolete within 2 years?
>>320381793
But that's true, if a game is exclusive on PC it means no need to downgrade the game at launch. Downgrades are a fault of multiplats and always have been why people originally hated them.
>>320383384
>Highly limited in tons of ways
Like what locked at 30fps 1080p? That's the outrageous heavy limitation? NIGGER it's the same fucking game. The only limitation is that ypu won't be able to meme about it on steam. Get your head out of your ass.
>>320384495
Pretty sure a 600 dollar computer has graphics and better performance than a PS4 now.
>drivers
Clicking a button is so hard right?
>incomplete controller support
Plug and play for almost any modern game with a 360/bone controller and you just need better ds3 for a ps3 one. That's so difficult right?
You also forgot to mention
>games go on sale for cheaper
>games are generally released cheaper
>dedicated servers
>Not support
>more than 60fps and 1080p capable
>look better and get updates first
>It's a Fucking computer so you can do more than just watch YouTube and play games
This is probably bait anyways but youd seriously have to be retarded to think a console was a better investment.
>>320384346
The idea of different market segments eludes /v/'s understanding of this industry.
They don't seem to "get" that power or Steam isn't what drives console sales.
>>320383920
Yep, mobile is a 1:1 parallel with what caused the crash in the late 70s/early 80s.
>Anyone can make a game, even Quaker Oats!
>Cheap games that devalue the industry as a whole!
>So many shit games that casual consumers can't tell what is good or what is shit, so they stop buying all together!
>Abandonment of traditional games to chase high risk high reward trends!
If it wasn't for exclusives, consoles would just be a contest over who has the best hardware, and who has the best third party programs. Like how Xbox is all about TV and netflix
I'm with with exclusives, keeps consoles about video games
>>320380109
The absolutely ridiculous cost of graphics cards keeps console gaming alive.
>>320379782
>TotalBitchtits doesn't understand that good exclusives actually motivate companies to make better games.
He's a fucking retard, what else is new?
>>320384346
Reminds me of the conversation in the audio space.
Audiophiles ALWAYS bitch about people who buy HTIBs (Home Theaters in a Box). They mention that the tweeters are garbage, the LFE is shit, this that and the other.
The people that these are actually SOLD to, however, are simply looking for a one-stop solution for their home audio needs.
But the enthusiasts don't understand that.
>>320383182
>1400AD
>"B-b-but i don't want to die for being atheist!"
>"That's always been how it is, so quit your bitching."
>>320381401
Exclusives are the OPPOSITE of competition. There is no competition if you only have ONE choice.
A good example of game competition were games like Alladin for genesis and SNES. The same franchise game, but completely different in each platform.
>>320383947
Funny because RTS doesn't work on console were as all the console/handheld games mentioned can work on PC, and did through emulation.
>>320385095
>ridiculous cost of graphics cards
>150$ to 350$ every year and a half or two years
>ridiculous
Sucks to be poor.
