Sanity Check
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Hey /v/, I just gotta do a sanity check real quick.
No one who has played any of the entries in the Mother series considers Undertale anything more than a cute homage, right?
>>320215143
Yeah. Chillax, brah
Yup. Almost verges on ripoff but it crowdsourced some creativity.
Mother series fanatic with a tattoo on my arm. I actually don't like Undertale at all: the forced retro theme is inconsistent and feels lazy. The visuals are ugly and lack even the detail that Mother 1 had. etc etc. People who think Mother and Undertale are comparable irk me
>>320215748
>Almost
The photoshop flowey fight is a straight rip off of Giygas, except that it misses the whole point of the Giygas fight.
The Asriel fight was a straight rip off of Claus.
>>320215143
I like Eartbound, Mother 3, and Undertale
I played all 3 Mother games.
Mother 1 is actually pretty fucking awful
>>320216226
Mother 1 is an overall bad experience, but it has some really cool bits.
I loved that giant, continuous overworld, and the Paradise Line made it even better.
Also, it had exceptional plotting for an NES game.
>>320216147
Of course you can like Undertale. Heck, I liked it, but not as anything other than a tribute to its greater predecessors.
Did you actually think it was a great game in its own right?
>>320216226
Yes. It has not aged very well
>>320215143
I've beat all three Mother games. Undertale is really fucking good. Overall, I'd say Mother = Mother 3 > Undertale > EB
Music
Mother > a few specific songs in EB > Mother 3 = Undertale > the rest of EBStory/Wiriting
Mother > Undertale > Mother 3 > EB
>>320215143
People are saying it's BETTER than Earthbound.
>>320215143
Yeah, Undertale was a fun little game and it's obvious Toby put a lot of care and effort into it, but the Mother series' still leaps and bounds above it.
You know who I kinda feel bad for?
The Mother 4 team. Now they'll need to impress both cynical Mother fans AND Undertale fans, and I really fear they won't live up to either's expectations.
>>320215143
I consider it a piece of trash
>>320215143
It's cute and a homage, but it's also very good.
I'm a huge mother fan too, the game pretty much hits all the rights spots the Mother series did for me.
>>320216486
>Did you actually think it was a great game in its own right?
Yeah I had a lot of fun with it. Who gives a shit if a game was inspired by another one, it doesn't mean its worthless. You might as well say that your not allowed to really like any modern fantasy book more then LOTRs.
Also a homage to Wizardy/Ultima first person crawlers. I think a large part of the hype mainly has to do with the absymally low standard commercial indies have these days. Undertale actually has competent game design and the inspiration comes out of somewhat decent taste so it must seem like a masterwork. But I can't see how anyone who's played the freeware indies of the 2000s, La Mulana, Cave Story etc., can consider anything more than a inoffensive distraction with good writing.
But then again, Mother isn't that impressive either with a better knowledge of what videogames have to offer and yet, here you are:
>>320215958
More embarrassing than keks impressed by Undertale, imo
>>320216652
What weird opinions.
The only one I can see where you are coming from on is the music category.
Everything else is just bizarre.
I like Undertale better just because I can't stand the standard turn-based RPG combat system
>>320216826
I thought Itoi said there won't be any more games in the series
>>320216486
Not that guy, but I did. Absolutely. The game has a ton of love put into it, and a dickload of little details that make the experience unique.
Even if there are similarities, I think it and the Mother series hit on different enough things in different ways to merit each being great in their own right.
Couldn't really get into Mother 3, and got very bored each time I tried to get into it, I couldn't get very far in the game, and I mostly forced myself to deal with it for a while because I knew it was good until I just realized I really wasn't having fun and decided to stop.
I found Undertale to be okay. Not grandiose and eyes-opening as I've heard people that I can't relate to say, but a cute mindless thing that doesn't really have a lot of depth, though it is pretty endearing.
>>320216652
I come to /v/ just to hear stupid shit like this.
>>320216226
Last part is cool, and it adds some neat backstory. Thats all i can really say. Its no fun at all to play.
undertale is cool.
asking whether undertale or earthbound is stupid, as they're very different games.
>>320217049
Thats cause Mother 4 is actually just fanwank. It has nothing to do with the real games, it just decided to rip everything off the series and also calling itself the next entry.
Mother 3 is my favorite video game of all time.
Earthbound is my second favorite video game of all time.
I couldn't finish Undertale because the humor was so forced and meme-tastic, and I just grew bored with it after a few hours. I wouldn't say it's a bad game, but it wasn't my cup of tea. Plus, the fanbase is truly god-awful which hurts my perception of it.
Mother 3=Undertale >Earthbound > Mother
Undertale is the Mother 3 replacement because NEVER EVER
>>320216652
This sounds like pure contrarianism, but i guess Mother really is a series for weirdos so i can accept you having a weirdo opinion. But jesus, Mother 1 is such a goddam chore to play through.
>>320217049
There won't. I'm talking about the fan-game self-titled "Mother 4" that's been in development hell for a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtQWUF6-Co
>>320215143
I hated Earthbound when I played it as a kid, but Undertale was just ok. I haven't really picked up Mother 3 yet so I can't comment.
>>320217029
So basically Undertale is the Mother series for the underage b& who grew up with the PS2 and are too young to appreciate turn-based/ATB RPGs?
>>320216973
i gotta say I completely didnt get the hype for Cave Story. But i guess thats an argument for another thread.
>>320216934
I agree with this anon
>motherfags now have to deal with memesters saying "undertale is actually better"yes im FUCKING mad
>>320216486
Yeah, I thought it was better than Earthbound or Mother 3. A lot less filler and padding. IMO It's
Undertale > Earthbound > Mother 3
>>320217426
nail on the head. each new generation of "gamers" gets stupider and stupider with a smaller and smaller attention span
Haven't played mother but Undertale was fun
>>320215143
I've played all 3 mother games and undertale. I enjoyed undertale the most, which says a lot I think seeing as how earthbound in particular occupies a very special place for me. Still love Earthbound for the experiences I've had with it but Undertale is a better game overall to me. Couldn't finish mother 1 or 3 for reasons this guy states >>320217101
, not sure why I couldn't get into mother 3 but I've tried several times just based on how much it's lauded combined with my appreciation for Earthbound.
>>320217426
If the person you're answering to dislikes turn based combat and you like it, it doesn't necessarily means he's younger than you or stupider than you, anon.
LISA did the "shitty homage to the Mother series" thing a million times better than Undertale.
>>320217002
>>320217323
Don't get me wrong, Mother isn't without it's MAJOR flaws, and to think I don't get why people dislike it is silly. But if you aren't bothered by some outdated mechanics (EB has the same shit and it's newer) and a bit of grind, then it's a big(for the NES) game with a fun, heartwarming world. No specific directions, and few walls to stop you from fucking up in the overworld.
Overall, it's a charming, nostalgic experience, and the story is perfect. It's got all the charm of the rest of the series, but doesn't seem to ever fall back on "quirkiness" no balloon monkeys or strange ridiculously tall people, just a fantasy world that a couple of kids go on an adventure in.Everything from finding EVE to Teddy's death and the dance scene were literally perfect scenes that nothing in the franchise, or most other games in general, can match.
>>320217140
>calling names
>because I prefer an older game that you're too casual to enjoy
>"but Earthbound's outdated aspects are quirky!"
underaged.
>>320216934
I dunno.
I found Undertale's message to be immature, not in the sense that it was too simplistic or idealistic, but in the sense that it was underdeveloped. The bulk of the story of Undertale doesn't really contribute to the game as a whole.
Also, the story was told in an obvious, almost condescending way.
I think a big strength of the Mother series is its subtlety.
>>320217681
Undertale > LISA > Earthbound > Mother 3
And Mother 1 is shit
This is objective truth, deal with it
>>320217539
But it is :^)
>>320215143
I don't think I could ever replay any of the games in the Mother series. I couldn't even play Mother 3 after it had been translated. Not even after all these years.
Is there anything wrong with me?
>>320215143
Who cares. Turn on the anti-piracy features in Mother and try to beat the game.
>>320217727
>>320217681
Except is was a worse game in nearly every regard, and unlike Undertale, overstayed its welcome.
>>320217727
>mother is shit
>Lisa and Undertale are better than Mother 3
>truth
>>320217272
>Forced
>meme-tastic
You gotta be 18 to post here kiddo
>>320217713
I didnt enjoy the openness of it because a lot of it just felt empty to me, its no use having a huge map if so much of it is just slogging through random encounters along the deserted coastline.
Also i disliked Lloyd so much. Pussy little bitch.
>>320217746
Yeah, you're a casual with shit taste and probably underage. You'll fit right in on /v/, so don't worry.
>>320217872
Did you really imply that Undertale hasn't overstayed its welcome?
>>320217746
No, the games don't really have any replay value.
>>320217727
I honestly think you might have replaced "<" with ">" in your post.
>>320215143
Pretty much how I went into the game, then enjoyed it for its own characters and take on battles.
Doesn't degrade what I liked about Mother games either way. People can like lots of things for their own reasons.
>>320217713
I think everything from the last town on is ridiculously far above the rest of the game.
>accepting alcohol leading to being arrested and having your weapons confiscated
The ultimate troll
>>320217872
Mother is shit. The story is good, but the gameplay is absolutely terrible.
>>320217936
As a game, doofus. It's a 4-7 hour game, depending on how you play it. Are you really letting a fanbase or popularity dictate how you see things? Are you a child?
>>320217942
I think this is pretty true, but I don't really see it as a knock on the games.
Some games achieve their full effect on the first go.
>>320215143
I've never actually finished Earthbound myself but I'm well aware of its entirety.
I think Undertale is too short to really stand up to the Mother series. So yeah, it's a great homage that does a lot of things right but it could be more if it was as ambitious as the original.
That being said, I'm looking forward to Toby's next thing.
>>320218089
Oh, I didn't mean it as a bad point, I'm just saying that it's normal to not feel like replaying Mother games once you're done with them.
I tend to get butblasted when people say Undertale is really comparable to Mother on anything more than a superficial level. I mean, sure, the game is obviously inspired by the series, but the actual quality of the writing, as well as the overall feel of the games is not comparable at all. Mother is on a whole other level in that regard.
>>320218054
Art is all about context.
The Mona Lisa is so much more about its high security containment facility than the vaguely smiling it portrays.
>>320218050
The gameplay is nothing special, but I can't see how it's "bad". The only bad thing are a slightly high encounter rate and That horribly shit menu system, which Earthbound was kind enough to NOT FUCKING FIX. EB's only positive addition was the cool as fuck HP system. Otherwise it's just a big step down in terms of story/tone/music, the things which the series is known for (because it sure isn't the gameplay).
>>320215143
>"If you liked EB you'll LOVE Undertale, it's exactly the same thing!"
Please stop spreading lies, don't recommend people Undertale based solely on the fact that it's inspired by Earthbound. If any of you people do this please reconsider your actions.
>>320218341
It's too late. Critics already did in September.
>>320218261
>The Mona Lisa is so much more about its high security containment facility than the vaguely smiling it portrays.
>>320218261
You fucking got me
>>320218341
I, the OP, was saying exactly the opposite.
Undertale is but a shadowy impression of Earthbound, but because Earthbound is great, Undertale winds up being pretty good.
>>320218261
*vaguely smiling lady
if it wasn't clear what I was trying to say.
>>320218320
You need to do a ridiculous amount of grinding. It's too grindy to be playable.
>>320218341
>>320218401
What they mean is
>If you like the image visibly liking Earthbound has, you'll LOVE the image liking Undertale has!
>>320218768
Only at the end, unless you're super casual. That's how games were back then.
>too grindy to be playable
Again. your age is showing, Mr. Millennial.
>>320218320
>That horribly shit menu system, which Earthbound was kind enough to NOT FUCKING FIX
The inventory was created that way for a reason.
It's cumbersome for sure, but it creates an endearing "secret treehouse" aesthetic of ramshackle earnestness that goes with the theme of children traveling together.
>>320219013
Why would I play a game that hasn't aged well when I can play games (like Earthbound and Mother 3) that have?
>>320218768
>It's too grindy to be playable.
Horseshit, you must have ADD or something. Just play Tomato's version with the Easy Ring.
>>320218582
I'm not accusing you of saying that, I'm only saying people shouldn't do that. I love Earthbound and can't get into Undertale. I played the demo years ago and it didn't grab me, seeing what became of it I'm kind of glad I wasn't excited for it. It's cool that they made the game and hundreds of thousands of people love it but it's bizarre how much people compare it to EB or Mother 3.
Mother 3 makes a bit more sense to compare with its emotional heavy-handedness, at the very least.
>>320219013
The problem is less with the grind and more with the encounter rate. You're free to scoff it off and shout casual, but the encounter rate is legitimately awful. The game doesn't have rhythm combos to keep things engaging, and enemy interactions are fairly cut and dried as well.
>>320215143
>implying tumblr plays games
there are literally more people voting for it than there are who bought it. do the math yourself.
>>320219013
You don't have to be a youngster to realize when the amount of grinding isn't worth your time. Are you just an autist that grinds to level 99 in the mako reactor?
>>320219074
Because Earthbound has the same flaws, but is piss easy besides. The idea that you an like EB but think Mother is shit is clear evidence you only like EB because it's "underground" or some stupid shit.
>>320218261
no, the mona lisa is much more about it being a great piece of art. no one thinks of high security when they think of the Mona Lisa, they think of the smile
>>320219234
No, I'm a person that doesn't see "huh, I should beat another enemy or two so I'm not unprepared" as "unplayably grindy".
>>320219240
The biggest flaws of Mother are the ridiculous rate of random encounters and the forced grind. EB has no random encounters, and you don't really need to grind. Sounds to me like EB doesn't have the same flaws at all.
>>320217246
It may be fanwank but it did get Itoi's blessing.
>>320219341
What about the boring battle system? The abysmal inventory system (I love clicking yes three times, then choosing what I want to buy when purchasing items). And there are still too many enemies. Combine that with EB having inferior music, inferior art direction, and an inferior story, and you've got the blandest thing on the SNES, and in the series.
>>320219013
>Not being a millennial.
>Being born before 1980
>Assuming other people that don't do [thing] must do so because they're part of this problematic generation, which is probably the only reason they'd ever want to do [thing]
That doesn't sound fun.
>>320218261
maybe if you see it at the louvre, otherwise it's just a painting and you're a shit
>>320219318
You're missing the point entirely.
People only care about the Mona Lisa because it's so guarded. It's special because it has a reputation for being special. It's literally a meme painting.
>>320219551
>Being born before 1980
Nope 1990. But it's clear he is from the PS2 or Xbox generation because he thinks anything slower than speeding through an RPG at breakneck speed is "grindy".
>>320219069
>it's not shitty because it's shitty for a reason
>>320219587
That's just the thing though.
You can hardly even see it at the Louvre, and yet people still go to the Louvre to see it when they can get a better look at it on their computer screen.
The art is what the Mona Lisa is encased in. That's what people line up to see.
>>320219502
>inferior music
>inferior art direction
I will give you inferior story, but you can't be serious.
And if EB's battle system and inventory system are obnoxious, what does that make Mother's?
>>320219330
Blantant troll. The level of grinding in mother 1 isn't 'another enemy or two' it's 'well, i guess i'm gonna be killing these guys for a few hours until i can move to the next area'
>>320215143
Beat Earthbound
Got to chapter 7 in Mother 3, plan to go back and finish it some day.
Haven't touched Undertale yet, but plan to. It looks more like its own thing done in a style that looks kinda similar. From what I understand the gameplay mechanic is totally different, the story focuses on player choice and morality instead of a linear good v evil plot, and is in general darker in tone.
It sounds like you haven't yet realized that all the creations of man draw inspiration from something man has previously seen before. Everything is derivative to some degree and you don't get points for pointing out every instance of this in every work. Mother didn't invent humor in storytelling.
>>320219768
>1990
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this.
>>320219824
I've been to the louvre at a young age, and because of my age I was able to stand right in front of the painting without the crowd near me. the painting does have an aurora to it. I've seen many famous paintings in my childhood since I traveled a lot but the Mona Lisa is something special. no one gives a shit about the security.
>>320219069
The characters all having their own inventory is fine, I'm more talking about the menu system. How everything takes extra button presses.
>talk to clerk
>"want to do something?"
click buy
>For who?
Jeff
>"what item?"
Bottle Rocket
>"Okay! Want to do something else?
YES
>Buy or sell?
Buy, jesus.
>for who
The same fucking person.
etc, etc
>>320220012
I don't think you know what the word aurora means.
>>320219878
That's literally wrong. You can get past magicant within 4 hours. That's 3 areas.
>>320220046
you know what I mean though. there's something special about it.
>>320217727
I like both Mother 3 and Undertale about equally, but I feel they both fumbled in some of the more emotional parts.
Claus' battle was full of pulled punches. I feel it may have been pulled to make it less cluttered, but really, it made it emptier. The cut pieces where there are little flashbacks to the kids' childhood made it sting a little more. The creepy Claus backgrounds might have been fascinating. I sincerely want to know what Earthbound 64 would have been like, considering Itoi said he was in a massive funk at the time.
In Undertale, the Flowey-Asriel connection is way more tenuous than it should be. You're told that Flowey is Asriel, and that's kind of it. The two act completely different (both in Asriel's kid and edgegoat forms). I would have liked it to get more psychological and intense than "HAHAHA THIS IS NOT EVEN MY FINAL FORM WAIT WHOOPS I CAN FEEL NOW AND I AM FULL OF REGRET". Yes, Asriel's a kid, but he's spent some time as a sociopathic flower. That shouldn't just disappear.
I feel like I enjoyed playing Undertale more but Mother 3 made me sniffle while UT didn't. Both games had NPCs I liked. Both have great soundtracks. Both have some lameass bosses and some bosses that made me laugh.
Take all of this as you will.
https://soundcloud.com/onyonreng/unfounded-bonetrousle
>>320219852
Obnoxious. But like I said, unlike EB it actually has good points. EB is just "lolsorandum": The Game, especially the music. Well, most of the music. Certain songs show that that composer still had it in him, he just phoned in the rest.
>>320219946
First consoles were an Atari 2600 and an NES. Not sure what you have to say.
>>320219069
This is what annoys me the most about casuals. When you were a kid, if a game was too tough or did something annoying, you just bit your tongue and dealt with it. This was how the game was built and now you're playing with it. Now it's endless whining about anything that doesn't perfectly match up to their desires.
Difficulty is relative anyway, it's completely meaningless to criticize a game being too tough or having too much grinding unless its a question of internal consistency, i.e. awkward scaling pace.
It's especially pathetitic when people like this faggot >>320219074 consider high difficulty/time investment a sign of outdatedness since it's a clear admission of the fact of progressive casualization/dumbing down, and their 100% support of it.
>>320219878
That's seriously incorrect, unless you just suck at the battle system.
>>320220096
>Literally
>Almost an hour for each area
Thanks for proving my point, dipshit.
>>320220249
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/millennials-millennial-generation
>>320215143
I played neither any entries in the Mother series nor Undertale, and I consider both garbage.
>>320217885
But he's right, in this regard at least.
![[Primordia Night Theme].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SFraPE8.jpg "[Primordia Night Theme].jpg")
>>320220012
>the painting does have an aurora to it
At that time of day, in that part of France and localized entirely within the Mona Lisa?
>>320220321
>>320215143
I have never played any of the Mother games and I agree with you.
>>320220302
>several hours for each area
>less than an hour for each area
>the same thingWhy can't I fucking sage
>>320220491You can, sage is invisible now, has been for ages.
>>320220302
You said you'd need to grind for hours. an hour per area is NOT a grind. What kind of retard are you?
>>320220319
Huh, seems I'm misuing the word. My mistake. Know any good derogatory names for people born after the turn of the millennium? Someone like >>320220302
>>320215143
I preferred Undertale's combat system.
>>320220321
same desu
I tried to play the original earthbound and mother 3 and gave up like an hour in because they were so terrible and boring
they're shittier jrpgs than average
never played undertail but it's a furfag game so that alone is enough to dissuade me
>>320220613
Sounds like a grind to me senpai
>>320217727
nice bait, faggot.
Music takes great cues from Mother in places, so much as to use the same sample from Deirdre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRL5TWF_0eU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP_1e30FWsE
It also pays homage to the rollcall in the True Pacifist ending with their own version of Good Friends, Bad Friends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QcnI9EXUlI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_P5smsopK0
The most Homages I found were musical, such as the use of Your Best Friend/His theme throughout several pieces similar to Pollyanna/Eight Melodies
>>320220592I know, and it's fucking stupid hugbox shit. How did everything go so wrong?
>>320220491
For one thing get my words right if you're gonna quote, i said a few hours.
Second, what the fuck is hyperbole?
Third, sure is a fun semantics game we're playing here isn't it?
It's pretty unanimously known that mother 1 is an exceptionally grindy game amidst other grindy games. You're the only one here trying to say that if you don't like the grind of mother 1 your a casual child. You're wrong, sorry, good day sir.
fuck video games
lets talk about the mona lisa
https://youtu.be/bLT_pJalsME n
what will be the next homage hit? a retro pokemon like game or a final fantasy one?
>>320220613
The correct name about the generation is generation Z, though someone on 4chan may not understand what you're talking about.
They're also known as Post-Millennials, among other names, which would get the point across fine.
>>320220871
My personal favorite homage/callback/inspiration/ripoff/whatever you want to call it was the ability to walk around the overworld post-game and NPCs having new lines of dialogues about how things are now that you've saved the world. More games need to have that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFq6tYi-Hvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgRfPc1lfJk
>>320220886
>It's pretty unanimously known that mother 1 is an exceptionally grindy game amidst other grindy games
No it isn't. It's far less grindy than a lot of games from that era. Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy require just as much of a grind, and fit the same exact genre and game structure.
>Third, sure is a fun semantics game we're playing here isn't it?
No, we're pretty much using your exact words to see that you didn't play the game and don't know what you're talking about. You trying to move the goalposts rather than admit you were wrong is just proving how childish you are.
Every video game is a knock-off of every other video game
>>320220613
the new generation is The Founders
>>320221079MARDEK and Epic Battle Fantasy were good FF homages despite being Flash games
>>320220971
>>320221154
Ah, thanks for the heads up. Post-Millennial will probably ring the truest. I always assumed my parents were generation Y, making folks my age generation z. Guess that's what happens when I don't get my facts straight.
>>320215143
It was fun, obviously inspired by Mother but with enough originality to be worthwhile.
Incidentally, flowey's design is derived from Earthbound. Pic related.
>>320221184
They do, it adds real weight to your Actions.Bratty and Catty have the best response.
>>320221387
they even talk
>>320221079
FF already had its homage hit with Bravely Default
>>320220886
I don't care, it's a stupid argument anyway. My opinions here:
>>320220261
>Difficulty is relative anyway, it's completely meaningless to criticize a game being too tough or having too much grinding unless its a question of internal consistency, i.e. awkward scaling pace.
How can you possibly attempt to define an appropriate content delivery/hr scale? An average MMO will take 25 hours of repetition to progress forward, Monster Hunter will take 10 hours, Disgaea will take 5, Mother 1 will take a few, any Treasure game will take less than 5 minutes. It's the same case with difficulty, from a CAVE game to Yoshi's Story, and it's just as meaningless a criticism.
It looks like you're just bitter because your casualness precludes you from enjoying certain experiences. Too bad, petty faggot.
>you will never play Earthbound for the first time again.
Incidentally if you're reading this and you haven't played it, play it. Onett isn't that great, don't let it put you off. Once you get to Twoson it starts to pick up.
>>320221187
see >>320220720
Nice try with the moving goalposts but I haven't contradicted anything I've said previously. I even admitted that I was using hyperbole. Come on kid, dragon warrior and final fantasy 1 area also widely known as superbly grindy games.
>>320220971
I never got what was so special about it. Just a painting of a lady.
>>320221187
>>320221627
This.
You want a game that's "too grindy to be playable"? Play Digital Devil Monogatari: Megami Tensei. How about 5 hours in the first 3 or 4 ROOMS just to amke your team possibly decent enough to stand on their own feet, and hope you don't get a case of Palsy.
>>320221764
No they aren't. Dragon Quest requires a bit of grinding time, but FF and Mother are very standard.
>>320221589
valid, I was thinking indie wise, but I guess that's not needed with bravely default already existing
>>320221589
>FF1 homage
>not nameless game
Wow, no taste in an Earthbound thread. Who would've thought?
>>320221764
>final fantasy 1 area also widely known as superbly grindy games.
I'll give you that Dragon Quest required some grind, but not more than most other games of the time, but FF? Are you for real here? Have you ever even SEEN an NES?
>>320222093
Nanashi no Game had a really cool premise but the survival horror aspects were crap. It felt like you were controlling a person who only had one leg.
Vidya creepypasta good and bad is my guilty pleasure, so I want to see something like it done better.
>>320222219
Agreed 100%. I heard the sequel was lot better and the translation just got released this summer, haven't gotten around to playing it yet.
undertale owes basically everything to EB and mother 3. but it definitely has its own identity as well, it's not just a straight clone
>>320221894
because it says a lot about what an expression means. for me at least her character jumps alive and you can almost feel the thoughts moving in her head. it's art.
>>320220880sage being invisible is mostly to get rid of people "countersaging"
>>320222346
>Jun Togawa
nice taste
>>320217426
I like turnbased/atb combat systems, but mother series gameplay is absolutely garbage.
There's good ways to do it and then there's mother series.
>cute homage
>implying it's even an homage
The only good antagonist in Undertale is yourself, that's how bad the writing is.
Give me Pokey and Fassad any day of the week.
>>320223209
that's a little harsh. they had the auto win fights and the ticking health.
>>320215143
I don't even get why people say it's like earthbound when it's literally homestuck - the videogame.
>>320223794
But homestuck is literally Earthbound - the webcomic
>>320223402
>>320223209
Plus Mother 3 added the music based combo system, which made the combat pretty engaging.
>>320215143
The only reason why I like Undertale is because of that. Played the fuck out of the demo and was super psyched for the full release. Never got around to getting it though.
>>320224181
>I like undertale
>never got around to getting it
>>320215143
Undertale is nothing like earthbound. I don't know why this comparison is made, the graphics?
>>320222915
>buying the party lineSince when has that ever been a real problem? It's like saying we need post IDs because sometimes somebody samefags and also sometimes people get accused of samefagging when they weren't actually. You actually believe they're dumb enough to completely disrupt fundamental mechanics of the imageboard because of petty shit like that? It's to curb the negativity and anti-cancer/viral measures because they're no good for gentrification
>>320222950You too
>>320224673
But then again, what is the importance of actually showing sage?
>>320224782
1. Transparency. What's the purpose of hiding it?
2. Its communicative use is still valuable even if unintended. The common suggestion that our colloquial use of sage was "incorrect" is hypocritical since we've always similarly expanded spoilers and greentext beyond their intended capacities and continue to use them "incorrectly"
For fuck's sake, how can you seriously prefer Undertale over Mother 3? I could understand with EB but M3? It punches in a whole different league than Undertale, which I really liked, but come on man Mother 3 is something else.
yes but it triggers /v/ so we post about it all day to see screeching frogposters
Earthbound was a hell of an adventure.
>>320220261
Difficulty isn't the problem. Time investment isn't even the problem. Grind is having to do unfun bullshit get something, whether it's progress of sweet loot. Like WoW or mh, some people think fighting the same enemy or mob over and over is a test to see how good you can become at beating them, and some people wish there was a less garbage way of getting shit done
>>320215143
Undertale is more Shin Megami Tensei, IMO.
