I recently picked up this after playing GZ and TPP, loving them, and want to play some of the older games. I finished Sons of Liberty in about 13 hours and it was probably the best video game experience I've ever had. I'm really disappointed that I already knew aboutthe Raiden twistbut the rest of the game's story blew me the fuck away and really made me think about the modern world and myrolein it. Not to mention how accurately it predicted the future.
I'm having trouble getting into Snake Eater though. The jungle setting isn't as exciting to me as the Tanker or Big Shell and Major Tom seems really fucking boring. I just got to Sokolov, saved and now I'm just doing the VR and Alternate missions in MGS2. I'm pretty concerned because I really want to like this game but it's not drawing me in like Sons of Liberty did. Does it get better? Is Peace Walker even worse?No spoilers outside of tags please.
>liking Metal Gear "Walking ten feet between cutscenes" Solid 2
>>320179990
The story is more than good enough to justify.
>>320179810
Snake Eater is probably my favorite game of all time. Try to get your hands on MGS1, it is probably the most fun out of all of them.
>>320179810
nice blog my friend
fuck off
>>320179810
>I just got to Sokolov,
You're like 8% through the game. It starts getting good literally right after Sokolov. That's when the game does a big fucking 180 in direction.
>>320179810
First of all you're a fucking faggot for liking TPP, if you had played the older ones before, you would fucking hate it. I hope that you will hate it once you're done with the older ones.
And Snake Eater is probably the best in the saga because of its combination of gameplay and story. (MGS4 for me wins story wise but theres not much gameplay at it)
IMO MGS2 is the weakest entry.
You havent even beaten the prologue to snake eater, keep going, the game is literally like 30 minutes away from becoming amazing,
Peace Walker is very similar to TPP in that theres individual missions, loadouts, limited weapons, fulton and base building and shit, so you'll most likely like it. I only liked PW because of the story, the gameplay for me was terrible.
>>320180248
>providing context to question is a blog post
Stop trying to fit in to a place where the whole idea is that no one really "fits in"
>>320180207
Is there a PC release of MGS1? Both my PS and PS2 are FUBAR so even if I find a copy I won't be able to play it.
>>320180347
Oh shit really? I'll get back to it then.
>>320180728
Yes, a Windows version
or you could just PS1 emulate on PC
Even a toaster could do it
While not as mind fucking as mgs 2, 3 has to be one of the best paced games I've played, with one of the most memorable endings in games history.
>>320180728
>Is there a PC release of MGS1?
Yes, but it's a pretty bad port. Personally, I would recommend emulating the PS1 version.
>>320180347
What he says. Snake Eater starts out a bit slow with all the codec stuff but it picks up. My favorite MGS game.
Also, I know everyone on here will shit on me for this, but I would play Twin Snakes instead of the original. It's just better, in my opinion.
>>320180671
You must be one of those memers who thinks their misinterpretation of the TPP ending is canon, who unfortunately make up 80% of MG fans.
There literally nothing wrong with MGSV outside of pacing and the fact we know cut content exists.
>>320180892
>>320180831
>>320180728
I played MGS1 on my PS3 because i got it a code for it from the legacy collection. Runs perfectly on there.
>>320180978
>but I would play Twin Snakes instead of the original. It's just better, in my opinion.
^Don't listen to this guy^.
>>320179810
I remember getting to mgs3 ans being disapointed that it wasn't full of full of technological bable.
Eventually the message about nations and loyalty and shit ending reaching me though. Normal Mode being easier than mgs2 easy mode surprised me.
Good taste op, 2 really is the best one in terms of straight gameplay. 3 memers will get upset if you mention 2 though, so watch out. Have you played any of the vr missions? That's where the real challenges are.
>>320180985
TPP is shit. There's no sum of its parts, like the trailer would have you believe. Clearly, there was an idea but the game was rushed and in the end we got set pieces and no glue. What ab absolute fucking travesty of a thing.
>Major Tom seems really boring
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS NIGGA
>>320179810
Dude you havent even completed the Virtuous Mission yet in MGS3. My recommendation is you keep playing, fight the amazing Bosses, and learn the nuances to the stealth and CQC system.
There are some good urban environments though
>Major Tom seems really boring
So you're a moron OP? So you automatically knew who zero was when you played TPP?
>>320179810
if you were dumb enough to be impressed by MGS2's post modernism bullshit story, you'll love the actual story MGS3 provides.
Also once you start the real game, make sure you call you new Radio buddies, specifically with items equipped. Lots of good funny shit
>>320179810
SE doesn't have the deep and message driven story like 2, but holy shit it's an adventure. It really feels like you were a long journey from beginning to end. It's heavily inspired by James Bond films but it's very charming. A nice little twist at the end and a bittersweet ending. I've would've been fine if it ended on 3 since it made sense why BB turned sour.
>>320179810
>playing MGS in neither release order nor chronological order
>playing MGS in retard-tier order
Well, you've fucked up one of the best video game sagas of all time for yourself. Your best bet now is to play in release order to in an attempt to amend the damage.
>>320181164
I have an opinion anon... no matter how much you don't want me to have one...
>>320179810
Major Tom is Zero.
>>320180985
I'm not even talking about the ending, mainly because there isn't one.
The game has none of the elements that made MGS great
It's pretty much a new franchise.
It barely has a plot, and said plot is terrible as shit.
It also fucks up the established canon completely, creating more plotholes than it fixed.
Also yes, the cut content and generally the fake expectations from the trailer, even the fake plot that was promised.
Its a terrible MGS game, only casuals/people new to MGS like it because they dont know any better.
>>320179810
>no spoilers
the series is like 15+ years old and MGSV has been spoiled to hell an back on /v/ stop
>>320181986
>this guy thinks we believe he played them starting at MSX
Kek
>>320179810
good taste my friend. MGS2 is the best MGS game. 3 isnt bad though. Give it a chance, it takes a bit to grab you at first but damn if it isnt a fun ride
>>320179810
Re: MGS1
There are very specific, gamplay reasons why emulating MGS1 is a bad idea for your first time playing it. If you have a PS3, get MGS1 on PSN for next to nothing, where it is guaranteed to run as expected.
>>320182307
>counting the pseudo canon non-PlayStation Metal gear games
Lol, no. It's called the MG'S' series for a reason.
>>320182504
>Pseudo canon
They're canon though
>>320179810
You're like 1 minute away from Snake Eater kicking into gear
>>320182646
Except Kojima has stated that he'd have no issues with remakes that completely retcon them.
>>320181681
>>320182102
Kinda of just assumed he was a guy behind the scenes pulling the strings, but thanks for the spoiler anyway.
>>320182783
One minute of gameplay maybe
Like 25 minutes of cut scenes
>>320179810
Push your way into SE, is a great game (better than MGS2) and its story while having some bite it is far more harmless but also much more consistent and better told. It is a slow paced game though, if you don't enjoy crouching through the game then skip it.
PW is basically TPP for the PSP, if you already played TPP you will see a lot of the shift the series made since MGS3 to TPP were taken before in PW. Also the story there picks up where 3 left, and is also consistent and pretty solid, if you don't hate handheld games you should definitely try it (while PW in the collection is basically port for consoles, other than controls and minor graphics improvements that shit is basically the same as the PSP game)
>>320180728
Emulate it, just download a PSX emulator and the game, you should be able to find it easily.
Or buy a copy from ebay and just emulate it as well.
>>320180978
Dont listen to this guy, first of all, getting a copy of TS will be much harder. Secondly: TS runs on MGS2 engine but it has the same level design from MGS1 so the game is easy as shit and the gameplay is broken (as in you're op), you can literally clear rooms from outside with 1st person view, which was not intended to be used with MGS1 level design.
3rd: Twin snakes feels like a fucking wuxia film, Snake defies gravity 24/7, theres a part where he literally rides a fucking rocket from an attack helicopter (whereas in the original he simply jumps away from it), so the game is pretty retarded, MGS1 is more down to earth badassery.
>>320182458
Bullshit, total bullshit actually.
I never had a PSX, played MGS1 on an emulator in like 1999, it played perfectly, absolutely no issue, now consider how fucking much emulators have advanced since then. PSX emulation is now perfect, and you could even play with a PS3/PS4 controller.
Everything works, even Mantis' tricks.
>>320182916
Leave this thread and go play MGS3. Then MGS1 then MGS4.
>>320182905
So they're canon until remakes that will never happen retcon them, gotcha
>>320180978
>TTS
>Better than the original MGS1
WHAT THE FUCK?
>>320182975
>(better than MGS2)
That's like, your opinion man.
It's also wrong.
>>320182916
It's not even a fucking spoiler, you giant faggot.
and I dont say it in "the game is 15 years old" kind of way
You were literally 15 minutes away from the guy explicitly saying by codec "Hey you know, Snake, major tom is a pretty dumb name, call me major Zero from now on".
He literally says that, you fucking tard, but you stopped playing the game whining about how "boring" it was before even finishing the fucking prologue.
>>320183213
Their entire plots can be succintly summarized in 3 or 4 sentences. They're not necessary to play before the previous MGS games at all.
>>320179810
if you are playing the 360 version, click the left stick to put your gun away when aiming with it
>>320182916
Nigga you're like one cutscene away from when he changes his codename to Major Zero. You spoiled yourself by playing 5 first.
>>320183379
Yeah, in MGS3 is literally no big deal, the reason why he went from Tom to Zero is actually pretty funny (He fucked up because he thought "Tom" was a movie character when he was actually thinking about other character called "Harry".)
but op, I bet you were thinking that the reveal of him being zero was literally the greatest plot twist in the saga, right?
Thats what you get for playing MGS fucking FIVE before the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even the fucking msx games.
You should just stop with 3 altogether and play MGS1 first, or if you really think you can turn into a hardcore fan, play the MSX games first, then MGS1.
>>320183443
>They're not necessary to play before the previous MGS games at all.
Good job moving the goalposts, you said they weren't canon. Fact is, they are.
>>320179810
i had the same problem. just dont play mgs2 for a couple days and then play 3. it worked for me.
also, crawl alot, its fun
>>320183000
But not all setups are identical, and OP doesn't know any better about how it's supposed to work. All I'm saying is if he has a PS3 he should pay the $5 to ensure an optimal experience. I'm not asking him to go buy a CRT or some shit.
>>320182916
Lmao look at this fucking faggot.
The part where he changes his codename to major zero is literally a joke, that was no fucking spoiler, also it happens maybe 30 minutes into the game.
Its literally his fucking avatar as well
>>320179810WHAT A THRILL
>>320183379
>>320183537
Imagine you're watching Empire Strikes Back for the first time having only ever watched A New Hope prior and during the duel on Bespin whoever you're watching it next to turns to you and says "this is the part where Darth Vader reveals he's Luke's father"
>it's not a spoiler because it literally happens in the next scene :^)
>>320183458
Really? I would normally just release RB to get out of first person mode then unequip the weapon with RT. Pretty elaborate method to simply not shoot your gun after aiming. But that makes it much easier, thanks.
>>320182916
You already spoiled yourself by playing the games in the wrong damn order.
>WTF, Return of the Jedi, why'd you spoil Empire for me?!?
>>320184075
Fuck you, you remind me that I had more fun watching the fucking trailers and speculating about the story of MGS V than with MGS V itself.
For fucks sakes I am pretty sure we saw in trailers over half the cinematics of the entire game.
>>320183708
>Good job moving the goalposts, you said they weren't canon. Fact is, they are.
I know they're canon, I'm saying no one gives a shit because 1. Kojima doesn't give a shit and 2. they can be summarized in a few seconds.
>>320184137
No. That makes no sense. In that scenario it's an actual spoiler. It's more like watching Return first without knowing Vader was the father, then watching Revenge.
Nigga you stupid.
>>320184137
For the record I hadn't seen this when I posted >>320184234
>>320183791
This is fucking PSX emulation, you never did it, did you?
Theres literally no setup asides from mapping buttons and creating a memory card (Which is literally just clicking on a button which says "create memory card", you download an emulator, install it, and place the disk/mount the ISO and hit play.
I literally did this alone when I was 6 years old, I'm pretty sure OP can handle it.
You shouldn't speak about shit you never tried.
This nigga thinking that PSX emulation is like wii emulation baka.
>>320180671
technically MGS4 has some of the largest amount of unique gameplay in the series. It's just bogged down by the longest individual cutscenes in the series as well as all of Chapter 3.
lol. Is this another thread where we call OP a faggot and pretend we hate TPP again?
>>320184397
>They're not canon
>They are
>Well no one gives a shit about them
nice
>>320184137
Its fucking not.
It's more like watching return of the jedi first and then complaining about every other spoiler prior on the saga. OP literally begun the saga on the last game.
Also, Vader being Luke's father is a pivotal part of the story and something nobody could imagine. Tom being Zero literally happens in a joke dialogue that has absolutely Zero (no pun intended) importance in the game.
Like I said, even his fucking avatar and artwork had "ZERO" plastered over it
>>320183971
>>320184986
PS should be the fedora and PC should be an overly pretentious top hat tbqh
>>320179810
OP I felt the same after finishing mgs 2 and going straight into 3. Mgs 3 did seem more 'conventional' and less interesting than 2. I can't remember what happened but at some point the game really picked up and after finishing it, I found I'd enjoyed it more than 2.
So basically just stick with it.
>>320183294
The camera controls are garbage.
That alone takes it down a peg. I found them surprisingly equal in the original forms, but the later update and addition of real, big boy, modern camera controls to Snake Eater makes that version better.
Still Tacticool Espionawwge action, but with controls that make sense and don't pointlessly hamstring you. It's like a revelation.
>3 fags upset that OP doesn't share their shit taste
>>320185546
Here's the thing though. If you're going to compare rereleases you have to use Subsistence, not Sons of Liberty. Those 300 VR Missions and Snake Tales were as good as the rest of the game.
Also Skateboarding.
>>320184842
Yes, MGS4 setpieces were amazing and literally changed how the game was played (which makes it my favorite) but it still doesnt changes the fact that it has 4-5 hours of gameplay and literally 14 hours of cutscenes.
>>320185732
You mean Substance. Subsistence is MGS3 extended edition.
Also, I have that collection as well, and never realized that it was MGS2 substance, I never even found out there were VR missions/snake tales/skating.
Are we thinking about the same collection?
>>320185735
That's not true though is my point. I mean unless you speedrun MGS4, the gameplay ends up being about 50/50 with the cutscenes. It's easily the longest game in the series prior to TPP. It's got 4-5 hours of sneaking gameplay in the first two acts alone. If you measure it all out in an "average" playthrough it ends up roughly equal.
>>320185898
I just mixed up the names like you said. I don't have the collection. Substance is the original rerelease of 2. I'd be very surprised to hear that it's not in the HD collection. That would be complete bullshit.
>>320186072
Only thing HD collection misses is skateboarding
>>320186164
nothing of value was lost
>>320180671
>mgs3 is the best
>thinks mgs2 is the worst
Holy shit, get off this fucking board you retard. You are the worst of the worst of metal gear fans. You're fucking disgusting.
MGS3 is a shitty James Bond story and the Boss is fucking retarded. MGS3 is the direct game that led us to the fucking shit that is 4, peace walker, and TPP.
You're nothing but a normie reddit fag if you truly think 3 is the best in the series.
>>320186304agreed
>>320184137
oh sorry, clicking left stick puts the gun away in first person mode
should have said that
so if you are aiming, and want to stop, you don't have to release RB and leave 1st person all together
>>320186304
Hey fuck you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSaeGUCa-Yg
>>320179810
Sorry to say, but unless you're a retard who eats whatever shit they put on your plate just because it looks nice, MGS3 is an action movie with no deeper meaning and shitty mechanics like stamina and healing your own body parts that reviewers praise due to "muh realism". Peace Walker actually makes CQC useful beyond some boss fights and the RPG elements are pretty cool I guess.
>>320186821
It also has boring gameplay and incredibly shitty, repetitive boss fights, plus an even stupider story that somehow manages to focus on The Boss even more than 3 did.
>>320186345
Welcome to what is the vast majority of the current MGS fanbase
>>320186821
I'd rather watch a good action movie like Fast & Furious 7 than a shitty thriller like Signs.
Would you at least consider Snake Eater a good action movie?
>>320186072
Yeah it doesn't have it. At least not the skate.
>>320185986
My first MGS4 playthrough was 20 hours long.
I didnt skipped a single cutscene, and theres 14 hours of them, this means there was 6 hours of gameplay.
MGS1 is 4 hours, MGS2 is like 6-8 hours and MGS3 is like 12.
Keep in mind this is gameplay time. Kojima knew the games were so short, he made the timer so that it would keep ticking even during cutscenes.
>>320186345
>Calls me one of the worst fans for saying MGS2 is the weakest entry (I said weakest not bad) in the saga
>proceeds to say that 3, 4 and PW are absolute shit.
Who's the worst fan now?
Also where the hell are you getting that MGS3 is a Bond story?
Literally the only Bond similarity in MGS3 is Snake Eater sounding like a Bond song and maybe the sleeping cigarrettes.
I dont remember a single JB film where JB goes to the jungle and must eat wild animals to survive while avoiding fuckload of enemies all the while collecting heavy weaponry and fighting his mentor.
You are so fucking retarded, you most likely never played MGS3 or have never watched a bond film, I'll be kind with you and say its the 2nd one.
>mfw snake literally says in a radio convo that real espionage is nothing like james bond
>>320187240
Are you entirely sure the playtime counter counts the cutscenes?
>>320187138
No, because there's only good action sequences during the Ocelot ambush and the very end of the game.
>>320187050
Yeah, I went easy on it because I only got to the second boss I think. Anyway, here's my take on 3:
>Camos are useless because you get through the whole game with no face paint and Tiger Stripe
>Stamina, eating and healing yourself are completely pointless because the effects are immediate so there's no possible strategizing
>Huge arsenal of guns you will never use
>Boss fights besides The End and The Sorrow are not memorable and very tedious
>Open areas make stealth ridiculously fucking easy
I could go on but I don't really care enough about MGS3.
>>320187057
Are you agreeing with a guy who just said that MGS3 is a bond story, despite the fact that theres literally nothing bond about it?
OK, lets see anon, can you list at least 3 similarities with a bond story that dont include the theme song?
Go on, I'll wait.
>>320187381
100% sure, it does counts it.
It was even the headline of the MGS1 gamespot review "if you learn how to skip as many cutscenes as possible you can make the game clock at 4 hours".
>>320186491
Holy shit how did I never hear this before
>>320181592
Virtual mission??
>>320187381
not him but i'm 100% sure
it sucks, i know.
Man, I loved MGS1, 2, PW, and V, but I fucking can't stand playing 3. I acknowledge the story is phenomenal, but it just plays like complete ass.
And I'm talking about the rerelease with better camera shots. They still didn't fix crawling around and having the camera get really fucky, being spotted by god knows who from god knows where direction (it's Hotline Miami 2 levels of bad at times), and having a really fucking stupid stamina system that just nags at you to do dumb shit that you don't want to.
The whole thing just is not up my alley at all. I made it halfway through the game before I just decided to watch an LP of it. Cool as heck to watch through, but don't even feel the need to go back and finish it on my own.
>>320187502
MGS3 gets compared to Bond films pretty frequently, this guy didn't really say anything new
>>320187240
MGS3 actually has quite a few parallels to Bond.
The idea of a doomsday weapon like MG's and the Shagohod come from Bond in the first place.
Eva is an obvious femme fatale.
Zero is the English commanding officer.
A lot of the music is inspired by Bond.
>>320179810
You'll appreciate MGS2 even more after playing MGS1. You missed out on the whole deconstruction of what it means to be a sequel.
I'm with you though, OP, Snake Eater is just so...straightforward compared to the other ones. It's a fucking amazing game, but it's definitely my least favorite, barring PW.
>>320179810
>you will never see the Colonel going insane for the first time
What is this hell
>>320188008
>going insane again*
Fug :^Ddd
Didn't read the thread but did you play the first one OP? You fucked up if you didn't.
>>320187431
>No face camo and tiger stripe will give you 65 (maybe less) while moving and 70 while crouching even deep on a brush which means almost instant detection if you're moving and detection from up to 15 meters if youre immobile.
>it wasnt meant to be about strategy, it was about resource management. Also low stamina makes snake aim like shit and have stomach rumble which the guards could hear, and injuries would limit your max HP.
>This applies to every MGS game asides from MGS1. Did you ever had to use the M4 (or the AK, whichever was that you chose) or the grenade launcher in MGS2? did you used the nikita outside the parts where it was mandatory to use it?
You can beat the whole saga with the tranq gun or pistol alone, maybe the assault rifle in specific cases.
>Pretty sure I remember all of them pretty well, the fury fight is one of my favorite vidya fights
>Or hard because you know there might be guards outside your visual range that can spot you?
No, go on, I really want to keep showing you how wrong you are.
>>320187240
>there's 14 hours of cutscenes
Source: your ass
>>320186491
>you don't play as Solid Snake in MGS2 because he was too busy skating
Bravo Kojima.
It's strange that it seems impossible for anyone in these threads to like both games. I prefer 2, but is it so hard for you guys to admit that they're both great in their own ways? Goddamn.
>>320188587
I love both. Prefer Snake Eater but entirely from personal preference. Objectively I couldn't pick either of them as truly the best. I do agree that both are the pinnacle of the series though. I love 1 as well a great deal, but these days I mainly play through just to watch the cutscenes. The gameplay is fine, and it has some good boss fights, but outside of that the forced combat sections feel a little janky to me these days.
I also love 4. The only ones I'm just not too hot on are PW and 5
>>320188295
>No face camo and tiger stripe will give you 65 (maybe less) while moving and 70 while crouching even deep on a brush which means almost instant detection if you're moving and detection from up to 15 meters if youre immobile.
Irrelevant because if you actually try to play the game like a stealth game you'll make sure you're hiding anyway. The camo is good enough to not be spotted from a distance.
> resource management
My favorite Metal Gear Solid mechanic, just what I want from the games.
>This applies to every MGS game asides from MGS1
No it doesn't, because the guns in MGS3 are just variants of each other, while things like the Nikita, Stinger, FAMAS and the sniper rifle from 1 were completely different from each other. There are not nearly as many guns in 3 as the previous installments, did you even play the game instead of watching it Youtube?
>Pretty sure I remember all of them pretty well, the fury fight is one of my favorite vidya fights
Nice opinion, goes well with your last statement. It's so much fun going behind a slow as fuck dude and shooting him.
>No, go on, I really want to keep showing you how wrong you are.
Nice autism.
>>320187794
Only by fools who think that its a bond film because of the song.
>>320187810
>So you mean every MG game (because in all of them theres a fucking metal gear)
>so is Meryl and Naomi.
>And just because he is an english commanding officer? Hell, the role of M in the bond film's is minuscule (aside from skyfal), he/she is just there, doesn't even keeps contact with bond, whereas Zero is an actual CO.
>You're pulling that out of your ass, there's literally no mention to this, hell, Norihiko never explicitly said he based Snake Eater on a bond song.
>>320188520
>MGS3 has less cutscenes than 2
Always felt way longer to me
>>320189136
MGS3 is in general a longer game so
But it also heavily frontloads it's cutscenes. The entire first mission is probably a solid 50/50 split of cutscene to gameplay. Maybe even less than that. But after you're redeployed it takes a back seat for a good while, with only minor intrusions by Eva
>>320187810
Mission impossible. The music was inspired from the mission impossible theme, the original one. By Henry Mancini
This thread has made me realise that coming from MGSV, you'd probably assume that the twist ending of MGS3 would be that Zero's behind it all, considering that he's behind everything else in every other game. God that shit came out of nowhere. Peace Walker and V had the chance to build upon it but focused on fanfic-tier characters nobody cares about like Huey and Strangelove and Skullface andKaz
>>320187240
You are alot shittier at these games than you think.
MGS3's cutscenes are nowhere near 12 hours, even mgs4's cutscenes only reach 8-9 hours.
Looking up all the cutscenes on youtube shows that mgs3's cutscenes are 4 hours, mgs1's are 4 hours and mgs2's are 6 hours
If game time was so high not because there were "12 hours" of cutscenes but because you are complete shit at the game.
>>320189372
Holy shit, I was never really able to put my finger on it but Skullface really is a fanfic-tier villain, isn't he? Also, I liked how Kaz and the Boss were bros, but I wished there were more cutscenes showing that part of their relationship.
>>320189372
4 already basically said what 5 just cemented. Zero got played. He stopped being in control a while back.
The only definite "villains" in the series are Volgin and Skullface, and they're both superficial at best. Volgin at least is supposed to be like that, but Skullface is set up as this huge mastermind to manipulate Zero's organization, but then just kind of appears, stares awkwardly then dies in a horrible accident due to a child.
>>320180671
Terrible taste bro.
MGS1 and 2 have the best stories by far. V has the best gameplay, with 3 as a close second. 4 a shit all around. This is the only objective way to view the power rankings of the numbered Metal Gear Solid games.
>>320189775
>4 is shit all around
gayyyy
>>320189109
>Norihiko never explicitly said he based Snake Eater on a bond song.
Oh please. Come on man, it's glaringly obvious to anyone who isn't in denial. You don't need the guy's express confirmation for that of all things.
>Meryl and Naomi
Nope. Female supporting character =/= femme fatale. Eva is a spy with a dual identity that's active in enemy territory, and is an obvious visual homage to Bond girls.
>M
You mean M and Q. The semantics of the names of their roles aside, you honestly believe it to be coincidence that the CO of Snake Eater is British, admittedly loves James Bond, and is in a story set in 1964?
Sounds like you're seeing what you want to see here.
>>320188520
Yes I messed up, my first playthrough was 15 hours long
>>320188852
Not irrelevant because the way you hide in this game is literally with the camo.
Nice opinion
It was a fucking survival mission, what did you expect?
Again, how fucking wrong can you be?
MGS2 guns are all variants, the M4 is a variant of the AK.
Hell MGS2 introduced the "sort equipment by type", You get
a lethal pistol
a tranq pistol
an assault rifle
a sniper rifle
explosives
explosive launcher
Those are the weapon types, all the amounts are irrelevant because they are all variants.
In MGS3 you have
lethal pistol
revolver (which was very different from the pistol because you could ricochet shots or fan the gun)
Tranq pistol
Assault rifle
Sniper rifle
Explosives
Explosive launcher
Shotgun
LMG
gadgets (sleeping cigs and such)
knife
maybe other type im forgetting.
It had way more types than MGS1 and MGS2, also please specify the problem in there being more guns than the previous games. did these guns made the game bad for you? Why if you still have all of the previous ones?
Yeah faggot nice way to ommit the most important details, like the fact that the scenario was dynamically covered in fire and it got the point where you could barely see because of the fiery hell, also your reactions had to be very fast because after half of the fight he would get more violent and would torch you like a second after seeing you so you had to shoot first, which was very hard to do because he was usually camouflaged by the flames.
>>320189775
Do people really love 5s gameplay? I couldn't deal with it at all, really ruined the game for me for the most part. I don't have reflex mode on if that helps but I assume a lot of people didn't too.
>>320190409
I had reflex mode on because I don't hate myself
Gameplay seemed fine.
I appreciated the amount of options I had.
Movement felt good, and smooth.
My problem was how generic it felt. Just another third person action game that's open world
>>320190148
>Not irrelevant because the way you hide in this game is literally with the camo.
So I see you definitely didn't play it.
>It was a fucking survival mission, what did you expect?
The hell are you going on about?
>all the amounts are irrelevant because they are all variants.
No they're not because actual time and resources were invested in designing all the pieces of shit that went into 3 which could have been used to actually make the game fun. Did you forget there was a viewer for each weapon? 2 gives you a few options to play the game lethally, 3 throws a fucking bag which weights you down just for using it.
>nice way to ommit the most important details
Who cares? That's what I remember from that stupid boss fight and I never said it was more than an opinion. I never had trouble with it, maybe you did, big deal.
>>320189506
Learn to read you fucking retard, it says playtime, not "playtime only with cutscenes", dumbass, dont post again until you say "sorry, I was wrong and couldnt read properly because im a retard".
>>320190625
I couldn't stand having reflex mode on, some kind of autism? I don't know, having free slowdown to fix mistakes put me off so I turned it off.
I don't understand the logic behind playing MGS outside of release order. Someone explain.
>>320179810
MGS3 isn't as interesting story wise as 1 and 2 but the characters make it so good. The codecs are fun, Big Boss is super likeable, and running into Ocelot is fucking great, not to mention the final boss. Kojima never really recaptured those character dynamics or at least got the story right afterwards, which is a shame.
>>320179810
Peace Walker HD is cool but it is a spruced-up PSP game so everything is bite-sized. I don't think I ever spent more than 15-20min on a Op and that's with looking for hidden blueprints and being a slow, sneaky motherfucker.
>>320189929
not him anon, but:
It was based on MIssion impossible
"Femme fatale" literally means "deadly woman" in french and its an archetype invented literally centuries ago, being similar to The Trickster. A femme fatale is any woman who uses seduction to lure her victims into grim fates (not even especiffically murdering them) which perfectly fit Meryl and Naomi.
I agree on M/Q though, but I still dont think that MGS3 was a bond film.
>>320191126
Went to my friends place once and he was blasting some shitty MGS rap off YouTube. Got excited because I didn't know he was into Metal Gear.
Turns out he had only played GZ and didn't even finish it, devastated.
>>320191268
That's because Kojima wanted to fucking kill MGS after fans were still dissatisfied with 3.
http://www.metagearsolid.org/reports_mgs4_kojimaVSmgs4.html
>>320191394
I was referring to the common usage of the trope as popularized by Bond. Eva could easily fit into a Connery era film. I just don't see it with Meryl or Naomi.
>>320191394
Kojima himself cited that JB had the biggest influence on the series out of the movies he listed.
http://www.1up.com/news/kojima-highlights-15-movies-influenced
>>320190801
Lmao faggot if theres someone who didnt played the game it was you and your posts just prove it.
The game was literally designed around the camo thing, sure, a lot of camos are useless (like tree bark or squares for example) but most of them serve a purpose and you absolutely need them to sneak properly, you will NEVER have an easy time with just tiger stripe and no face paint, you wont get past 70 which is almost immediate detection from 15 meters (did you know that MGS3 guards had the longest eyesight before 4 and 5 were released?)
There werent as many "cover" things to sneak without camos, the open enviroments helped with this, the enemy could come from any direction so hiding behind a tree wouldn't work most of thetimes.
>The hell are you going on about?
You're complaining about resource management in a survival operation in the middle of jungle.
>Games are bad because devs decide to put more stuff on them.
as I said, you literally have every weapon type from the previous games and they do the same, now you get more weapon types, so why the hell are you complaining? You could have the original arsenal equipped at the same time.
The shotgun would send enemies flying away and their corpse would knock out other enemies behind them, it would also blast doors immediatly
"the bag weights you down just for using it".
the equipped weight penalty (stamina depleting faster) was negligible, and it would only weight you down IF YOU HAD THEM EQUIPPED. gear wouldn't weight you down if it was in the backpack, but of course you didnt know this because you never played the game.
>Who cares?
Are you fucking kidding me? You should care dumbass because you just based your argument on that fight being bad by saying that it was only about shooting a guy in the back, fucking dumbass, the fireaspect is the biggest part in the entire fucking fight, so yes it should be fucking important.
damn, go play the game before replying and fooling yourself any further.
>>320191548
I loved his big fuck you in MGS4. Sure everything else suffered for it, but getting to the end of the series and realizing Snake, and you by extension, had just been a skilled pawn to a guy who wanted to fuck Big Boss and save the world was magical.
>>320191548
That's a pretty neat site, lots of info. Legitimately thankful anon, cheers.
>>320179810
i've played every mgs and i for some weird reason also disliked 3, i just couldn't get into it. Ioved 1 and 2, 4 was amazing storyline-wise. TPP kinda falls off after awhile. Got halfway through and couldn't really keep going with it, but i plan on picking it back up again soon.
>>320192440
You're on this site and you haven't had 5 spoiled for you yet?
Leave now. I mean right now.
>>320179810
>I recently picked up this after playing GZ and TPP, loving them, and want to play some of the older games
Wait, what? What the fuck does that mean? Did you play the newer games before playing the first ones? Are there actually people who do this? Did you even play MGS1 before 2? What the fuck are you talking about?
>>320188852
So 1 is better because the weapons are different types? Not nearly has many? 3 has more weapons than 1 and 2 combined and then some. An ak-47, M-16. M1911, tranq gun and a 6 shot revolver, scorpion submachine gun, a mosin nagant bolt action sniper and an dragunov svd automatic sniper, light machine gun, a shotgun grenade, stun grenade, smoke grenade, white phosphorus grenade, knockout gas in the form of a cigarette, knock out gas soaked hankerchief, claymore and tnt and an rpg-7
Yeah they are variations of each other but they have different properties. Even then the types are different from each other just like in one, ak is nothing like the svd and the lmg is nothing like the m1911 is nothing like the shotgun. That is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard. The weapons being different from eachpther also applies to 3 its just 3 gives you several different weapons within the same type to choose from and they arent just reskins they act differently. 3 has the most ways of taking out your enemies, besides the aforementioned gun, you can slam them into the ground, break their neck, choke them out, slice their throat, destroy their food supply so their hungry and easily knocked out and less aware and you can feed them rotten food. You can even dress up as one of their high ranking officers and go around the base abusing the grunts consequence free.
>>320183025
>go play MGS3. Then MGS1 then MGS4
WAT. You play it 1, 2, 3, 4. That's the fucking order you play them in, you retarded piece of shit. Holy fuck this thread is pissing me off.
>>320192341
>There werent as many "cover" things to sneak without camos, the open enviroments helped with this, the enemy could come from any direction so hiding behind a tree wouldn't work most of thetimes.
I don't know what can I say besides that I disagree. I beat the game on Extreme sniping whatever guards got in my way and just crawling whenever needed, it's really not that hard and the most difficult parts were definitely the ones that aren't on open areas.
>You're complaining about resource management in a survival operation in the middle of jungle.
The game is the same lenght as every other MGS, there's no reason to include that mechanic. It just slows everything down.
>"Games are bad because devs decide to put more stuff on them."
This right here just proves you don't know why Kojima put all those guns in the game in the first place instead of working on other parts of the game. It's because fans kept asking for all of them. "More guns" was a common complaint but he chose to comply anyway and there you have it, a shallow plot with bloated gameplay mechanics.
>but of course you didnt know this because you never played the game.
I did. As a change of pace, I decided to see what it was like to pick the lethal route since the game encourages you so much with that arsenal, and turns out that it punishes you for it by having you go through menu after menu if you don't want to have your stamina deplete faster. Maybe it was negligible, but it was still a shitty design choice that wasn't present in the previous games and they had no reason to include.
>Are you fucking kidding me?
Maybe I am, please don't be angry :(
>>320193119
When should you playPortable Ops?
>>320187789
>I fucking can't stand playing 3. I acknowledge the story is phenomenal, but it just plays like complete ass.
It's the other way around though. The story in 3 is just a vehicle for the game to progress, and it knows it so it doesn't take itself too seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le23bsVURds
>>320193420
No.
>>320193420
Never. PO and PW are shit.
>>320193046
This is not important to this reply but did you actually memorize all those names? What the fuck? Anyway, my point is that in a game about getting from point A to point B without getting noticed they are almost completely unecessary and the time invested in their development could have been better used.
>>320192840
He spelled it out pretty clearly.
>>320193420
I played it due to wikipedia saying that it was canon
[/spoiler] The only canon part about it is finding out about les enfant terrible and gray fox
But other than that i would suggest just going straight to peace walker
>>320193585
i recently bought the hd collection and holy shit, peacewalker is fucking garbage. i got to that first boss fight and just quit. it's so ridiculously awfully designed.
really like all the other games though. mgs2 is great.
1 = 3 > 2 > the rest
imo
>>320193807
He spelled out how much of an idiot he is. Who the fuck starts a story heavy game at the end of the franchise? That makes no goddamn sense, it's like picking up a book and starting at the last few chapters.
>>320193956
Well, i fucked that up
>>320193956
I played it only release and enjoyed it, probably because I didn't think the PSP could pull it off. Not sure why it gets the flak it gets, dragging soldiers around is a massive fucking pain though.
>>320194164
Totally agree, the game is definitely fun but is not as good as the other metal gear games
>>320193956
There's no reason to play any of the Metal Gear games besides MGS1-4 except maybe MG2 and Ghost Babel.
>>320180161
We found kojima
>>320194024
Hate to say it, but I 100% agree.
i'm playing tpp, and i keep finding an extracting guys with a++'s and s's, but they don't seem to be appearing in my crew at all. i look at my waiting room after a missin and it's all c's and d's, and all of the guys with crazy good ranks in their skills never appear. what the fuck is happening?
>>320188587
2 and 3 are my favorite games in the series. As a whole I prefer 2, but both of those games did things that I like for their own respective entries. I love the story and deconstruction of 2 and I love the slower paced methodical gameplay and setting of 3. I think all of the games in the series have something of merit, even if 2 and 3 are my "favorites"
