Has everyone abandoned this game and gone to Bloodborne?
Or is it still a good buy?
Dark Souls 2 is the worst game in the series.
>>320151198
Well memed
>>320151116
It's the most active Souls game by a small margin, at least on Steam.
It's also the best game in the series, but I'm not gonna argue with autists over this again.
Really just torrent it and play it for a few hours/through if you're worried, or buy it. See for yourself.
The online is fairly active. In fact I'm doing a greathammer/faith run right now.
>>320151396
DUDES IN ARMOR LMAO
>>320151116
None of the PC audience went to BB so they're probably still there.
I'd get it before DaS3 comes out, way too much shit in SotFS is balanced for co-op.
blue and rat convent are fucked
most active one is bellbro one where at good times you have fights every 2-3 minutes
besides there is plenty of action at all levels my lvl 180 char has no problems invading neither my low level charas
I honestly think it's better than both Demon's Souls and Bloodborne, but I know that opinion gets me crucifiedI like fighting huge dudes in armor with fuckoff swords, and Dark Souls 2 is the king at that
>>320151661
Fun fact: The percentage of huge dudes in armor is lower in DaS2 than in DaS. Both with and without DLC accounted for.
>>320151116
It's a good buy, don't expect the greatest single player (It's decent, DLC is best) but the PvP is the best of the bunch although I haven't played bloodborne.
>>320151116
I play it on both pc and ps3 and both still have people playing it online
>>320151826
Bullshit
Dark Souls 1
Ormstein and Smough
Artorias
Dark Souls 2
Pursuer(s)
Ruin sentinels
Looking Mirror Knight
Velstadt
Throne duo
Fume Knight
Sir alonne
Ivory king
>>320151826
How do you figure that?
>>320151116
I'll be "replaying" it around christmas when I get myself a new controller.I'm making another low SM agape ring invasion spamming bastard alt and will savescum to keep 99 cracked red eyes. I'll frequently be invading in Forest, Heide, Wharf and Gutter.
>>320151826
>DaS1
O&S
Artorias
I'll count Iron Golem and Gwyn
>DaS2
Pursuer
Looking Glass Knight
Ruin Sentinels
Old Dragonslayer
Velstadt
Dragonrider
Throne Watcher/Defender
Fume Knight
Sir Alonne
Ivory King
>500 hours in all Souls games combined
>never once played PvP
I don't get the appeal.
>>320152267
DaS1 does have the iron knight as well, but ya I agree with ya.
>>320151396
>It's the best game in the series
>Anyone who disagrees with me is an autist
Whatever
>>320152493
It's for fags who were born too late for hand to hand combat.
It's a turd, OP.
A shit cash-in on the original DaS popularity.
Just get the original DaS.
>>320152493
If you've played a red guy you've played PvP, unless you ran like a bitch.
>>320151116
>cant post your souls tier list without someone throwing a hissy fit
why is this fanbase so shit
>>320152391
>put in SM as an annoying game mechanic to prevent people from finishing the game and then invading with overpowered gear from later areas
>give players a ring that bypasses it anyway
Played some yesterday on PC. Took me about two minutes to get summoned in The Gutter. Seems active to me
>>320152724
Well, I've never went out of my way to play PvP. I've been invaded before, and was immediately fucking stomped.
Played the shit out of Demon's Souls and Dark Souls, haven't played Dark Souls II or Bloodborne yet. Probably won't ever play Bloodborne since the only console I have left is PS3. Will probably pick up Dark Souls II at some point.
No idea why I'm typing this message as I realize no one gives two shits, but I'm bored.
>>320153014
i enjoyed this post
>>320151631
I'd try SM 450k-499k for the rat covenants and alternate between Grave of Saints and Doors of Pharros. You can get a lot of people.
>>320152267
I find the Dark Souls game's need for scaling up human's to be bosses is really stupid.
It made sense for demon souls when they were actually you know, demons. These people aren't. It's just boring after seeing it for the thousandth time.
>>320153014
Why not get a ps4?
Also it's okay anon, I give a shit.
>>320152975
Check out the Giant Tree right near the Soldier's Rest bonfire every time you're invaded.
There's a chance to spawn a seed which you can use to make red invaders agro all your mobs. It's fucking hilarious to use, especially if you know how to position yourself.
>>320153014
I'm in the same position as you. Love demons and dark but unsure if I should buy ds2
>>320153014
Just make sure you get SOTFS and not default DaS2. It's an improvement in every arguable way.
To my knowledge, practically nobody plays default DaS2 anymore. It isn't even listed on Steam's stats as being played, while SOTFS and DaS both are at a couple of thousand players a day.
>>320153082
Glad to brighten your day
>>320153158
Poorfag. Also I tend to be WAY behind on titles, etc. I'm one of those people who is usually 1-2 years behind, for both cost and time reasons.
>>320153171
Yeah I've went back and forth a lot, especially when it was on sale awhile back, didn't pull the trigger though, can't remember why.
Why is pvp so much easier on pc? Ia it just the quality of players?
I just get bored and keep them alive until they throw themselves in lava.
I had the same issue with street fighteron pc. Everyone was shit
>>320152493
PvP is for people like me with trainers to grieve the players that think they're good.
>>320153373
>Poorfag. Also I tend to be WAY behind on titles, etc. I'm one of those people who is usually 1-2 years behind, for both cost and time reasons.
I used to be like that anon.
I hope a stroke of luck comes your way.
>>320153373
>Poorfag, etc
Well, I'll say that if you enjoyed the previous Souls games, SOTFS isn't going to disappoint. It'll be a couple of hundred hours of entertainment, more if you do online.
>>320153373
I'm the samy way,played both DS 1 and 2 way late and with no online. 2 is easily worse, but still worthwhile.
>>320153214
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. Are the PC ports decent? Always played on PS3 in the past, but the next one will be PC most likely since I built a decent rig awhile back.
>>320153515
Thanks for the well wishes. The good news is that being so far behind generally leaves me with quite a backlog, but /v/ tends to spoil the plots of almost everything for me, haha.
>>320153743
DaS is still good but go get DSfix.
And a controller.
>>320153429
Because most people use keyboards.
Sounds like you're bragging/exaggerating though so I'm not gonna say any more.
>>320153886
I'm really not that good at either. But I nearly had a 30 win streak in street fighter on pc and got all 30 dragon scales in like an hour..
>>320153687
Awesome, I'll probably pick it up during the forthcoming Gaben sale.
>>320153429
PC gamers are just shit players in general. Go play any CoD game on PC and the only game modes available are TDM and sometimes DOM. Play battlefield 3, 4 hardline on PC and the only servers are 24/7 canals TDM and a variety of other TDM only servers.
The PC master race don't play objective based games because they've never been good at it. They also are the loudest in the community due to hacks being more available to the PC community they are always acusing legit players for showing even the slightest amount of skill.
Dark soul pvp is no different. by default they are sour and salty right off the bat.
>>320153014
It will be $15 in two weeks time when the Steam Winter Sale starts.
https://steamdb.info/app/335300/
>>320153743
DaS port is pretty much 1:1 with console versions, locked at 30fps and shit. There's a community mod that was released like a couple of hours after the game came to Steam that lets you run it at any resolution, 60fps, etc.
DaS2 had some significant PC issues. Running natively at 60fps made so that like half of your iframes literally didn't count, and your weapons degraded several times faster. Otherwise it was just a total upgrade in every conceivable way.
SOTFS is the cherry on top. Some people don't like cherries and will cry their eyes out over it.
Compared to original DaS2, it has an upgraded engine which makes the game's shadows vastly more immersive (in some places, like originally intended, you can't see shit without holding a torch). It simply looks better everywhere. There's different enemy- and item placements, significant bugs relating to FPS have been fixed, the infamous "shockwaves" have been reduced in most places I've tested it, and it includes all DLC.
>>320151116
I just started playing it this Saturday for the first time and I'm enjoying it greatly. Lots of people around as well, but my internet is shit so I mostly play in offline mode.
>>320154225
>The PC master race don't play objective based games because they've never been good at it
Yeah I guess Mobas are a hit on consoles.
>>320154302
Nice, even my poor ass can afford that.
I forgot about that website, thanks for the link.
>>320154354
Didnt read source the pic
>>320154389
>thinks mobas are games
>>320154225
I'm a PC+3DS+WiiU[/spoiler] player and this whole thing you just said ispretty much spot-on. I like to think that I'm better than the average thoughbecause the average player is fucking shitty.
>>320154354
>you can't see shit without holding a torch
More like you can't see shit IF you use a torch. Using a torch increases the darkness everywhere except directly around you for some reason.
Also, sauce.
>>320154685
>[/spoiler]
I FUCKED UP
>>320151396
>best in the series
Trash opinion m8
>>320151116
still a great game and quite active, at least on my last couple playthroughs a couple months ago.
like most souls games though, low to mid levels seem to be most active, once you hit 1mil SM it gets progressively less easy to do coop/invasions.
>>320154225
PC only gamers can't play anything that isn't first person or an isometric clicking simulator.
>>320154735
Nah m8 that sounds like you have too much brightness on your monitor. Darkness and torches actually work really, really good in SOTFS. I play on a heavily configured IPS monitor though.
>>320154354
Wow, I had no idea SOTFS was anything more than a content addition, definitely makes spending the 15$ soon and even easier decision.
I plan on getting it during Christmas sale if it goes below $18, otherwise I'll get a CD key for that much.
I liked DaS a lot, but never played it on my PS3. I plan on playing DeS at some point. I played BB at a friend's place and the gameplay didn't really appeal to me. Not fast enough to be hack and slash, not slow enough to be Souls. Excited for DaS3, looks gorgeous like BB.
>>320155161
SOTFS is the game DaS2 should have been. definitely a shameless cash grab at the time but now that the dust has settled it's just a fun game.
i still prefer the 1st game overall, but DaS2 is the best souls game as far as replayability IMO.
>>320153107
They aren't humans. Orstein and Smough aren't human, neither is Artorias. Gwyn isn't either.
>>320151116
yahtzee and gabe are still playing it every now and then, you could go bully them
>>320154225
>tfw doing shit like >>320152391
>completely without assist of any third party shit, no direct cheats, no hacks - only abusing savescumming which is an overlook by the developers
>bro helps me out to get a <39k SM character with full +10 armor and two boss poison whips +10 from demon of song; it was possible because the engraved ring increases your range to like 100k+ SM, so he just went and got one and upgraded all the shit for me by also savescumming
>twink gank all day erry day, get all sorts of outlandish players adding me on steam just to cry bitch tears
>>320151198
I love how people think this is a meme, anyone who has played DeS~BB knows DaS2 is the worst in the series.
Still a good game, but the WORST in the series.
>>320151116
HOW THE FUCK DO I GET PAST THE STATUE IN FOREST OF THE GIANTS?been trying for 5 minutes
>>320155018
Probably, I know that even when I put the brightness ingame at a minimum, I can still see the dragon. But that effect clearly does happen. Everywhere close around you is brighter, but everywhere around you further is darker.
>>320155387
That's encouraging, considering that the previous Souls games I replayed God knows how many times.
>>320155387
>SOTFS is the game DaS2 should have been. definitely a shameless cash grab at the time but now that the dust has settled it's just a fun game.
Very fair statement, and I'm saying this as one of this site's more hardcore defenders of DaS2/SOTFS.
>>320155512
What statue?
>>320155502
for a first playthrough i agree, but for multiple playthroughs / multiplayer it is most certainly the best.
BB was overrated IMO, level design was cool and the fast pace a welcome change, but the areas and playstyles were all same-y. also the combat felt more button mash-friendly than previous souls games
>>320155502
But BB is THE worst souls game because it plays so little like one. It's a fun game but it isn't a Souls game. It's... it's just Bloodborne.
>>320155621
the one at the very entrence, near the scottish sounding dude, the one blocking the button that opens the door
>>320155514
Huh, well I'll be trying it out for myself when I replay next week, once I get that new controller.
>>320155463
I never know whether posts like these are lying or not. I keep ganking people with Acid Surge and dozens of other scummy items to make their life as hell as possible but nobody's ever added me before. What the fuck am I doing wrong?
>>320155707
How is BB's story? One thing I always like about the Souls series (excluding SOTF, I'm the poorfag who hasn't played it yet) was how subtle the story was compared to the atmosphere.
>>320155801
That's later into the game. Go back to Majula and, from the bonfire, go left alongiside the cliffs.
>>320155801
That's not Forest of the Fallen Giants, that's the path to Shaded Woods.
You're gonna need a Fragrant Branch of Yore that you can find in multiple places inside the game tounpetrifythat statue.
>>320155512
>>320155801
You need a fragrant branch of yore. There are plenty of statues like that, and branches are valuable. You might want to pick and choose which ones to unpetrify.
>>320155854
Not scumming hard enough m8. It just happens, whether I do it all naked, with the craziest bullshit one hit kill weapons, with nothing but fists, with nothing but a poison knife +0, with only lategame magics reduced in requirement through spices, etc but only occasionally. When they happen it's golden, but there seems to be no specific thing that people will rage over unlike Haveldad.
>>320156101
Some branches are well hidden, but I did the count and there are enough branches in SotFS to unpetrify every statue in the game.
>>320155941
oh, ok. the guy on that stone pillar said to go to the forest so i just assumed that's what i'm supposed to do first. shit was easier to figure out in das.
>>320151396
>best in the series
kek
>>320151116
I don't regret the time I spent playing it, but I don't have any desire to play it again.
>>320155871
I liked it. The Doll has some pretty decent porn by now.Cthulhu ayylmaos etc was pretty unique.It has more than one secret final boss.
>>320155871
ayy lmao
>>320152493
I don't really do PvP either.
Whenever an online player invades, I just kill myself.
>Jump off of a bridge
>the guy does a bow and then jumps off the same ledge afterwards
>>320156291
Ha, got any more of shit like that? Dark Souls PVP webms are always so great for some reason.
>>320156376
really? if youre gonna die anyway you should just put up a fight.
i'm not big on souls pvp either (i think the arenas are dumb as shit, they shouldve at least made matchmaking based on SL instead of being uncapped) but invasions are actually bretty fun
>>320156336
>>320156342
Thanks, it looks pretty interesting, some of the mob designs looked pretty awesome, but then again I'd expect that from this series.
>>320156291
>some guy doing a poor sundowner and hacks for a kill
This is too cherrypicked though. I've met maybe 2 hackers since I bought DaS2, and none in SOTFS.
>>320155871
Its the most ambitious story From has done for the Souls series. Demons and Dark Souls were basically "go do this" and you do it. They focused more on lore to develop its world.
Bloodborne is kinda the same, but you are unraveling a mystery and its presented more to you than the previous titles. Its cool because the game initially comes off as being influenced by Gothic horror but twists about half way into science fiction "what if" scenario.
What's the best way to play this if you completed Dark Souls 1?
Stat me plz, I heard all the movements are fucked up and shit.
>>320156561
Because I want to rob them of the fun of fighting and I'd rather just die and get it over with as quickly as possible.
>>320155707
>game isn't called dark souls 3
>DUDE IT DOESNT PLAY LIKE DARK SOULS 3
That's how stupid you sound right now
>>320156690
20-30 points in Adaptability are mandatory. Other than that, its all up to you
>>320156601
>Crypt Blacksword
Fuck that was the best weapon in the whole game. Really hope we get something similar in DS3
>>320156690
>all the movements are fucked up and shit
Made up lie and overused meme because some people were too bad to grasp the concept of rolling.
It's mostly just the same as DaS but with fewer starting iframes. At like 110-120 agility (you start at 80 or so and can increase it from gear and a little bit of leveling) you have more iframes than ninjaflipping in DaS, which trivializes many bosses and is totally handy in PvP.
>>320156601
Honestly the only blatant hackers I've run into were the few, very few times, I used the Blood arena.
>>320156659
Interesting, I figured there was some sort of twist in there, given the ayy lmaos.
I wish you could still widely rent consoles. Damn that was such a rip-off but it allowed me to play so many one-off games in the past. Of course come to think of it I think I ended up buying most of the consoles I rented after playing them. I had no desire to get a PS1, then I rented one and Twisted Metal 2 and bought it the next day.
>>320156765
Ya I realized that my statement was kind of redundant, and hoped noone would point it out. You butt.
>>320154354
What are the tags of this doujin? So I can know if I should even bother searching for source.
>Dark Souls 2
>>320157059
Who knows. Try >>>/r/
>>320157067
>an AI flaw presenting itself in each iteration of the series
>only in Dark Souls 2!
>>320156291
i can do this in dark souls 1 as well. doesn't mean anything.
>>320156690
Be aware of Agility and its i-frame calculations (88 AGI for fatroll i-frames, 96 AGI for midroll i-frames, 105 AGI for fastroll i-frames, 114 AGI for ninjaflip i-frames). Also be aware that it increases estus drinking speed.
Focus more on stats like VIG/END/VIT when progressing through than STR/DEX since the scaling in that game is shit.
Use guard break and its riposte when you can in PvE.
Some fake walls can be destroyed, some others you have to press the action button to open.
Learn the timing on parries since it's very different from DaS.
Learn how to play with the different recoveries on your actions since it takes a bit more time to get out of an attack before rolling in DaS2 than in DaS.
Don't count on poise.
That should do it.
I killed the lady of mejula or whatever that levels you up.
Can she come back? Am I gonna have to finish this boring game at level 70 with pretty much a strength and dex build?
I can't use magic yet but I want to be a spell spamming faggot like every other ds2 shitter is.
I really hate the PvP in DaS, so I was almost always hollow. I heard there's no way to avoid it in DS2 unless you disconnect your internet. Is this true?
>>320157404
Her grave appears after she dies, like any important npc. You have to pay to use her now, but that's your own fault.
>>320157404
After a certain amount of time, a grave is gonna appear. You can pay 2500 souls for her to come back as a ghost to use her for a small amount of time.
>>320156690
it does 'feel' a bit different from DaS1 initially but you'll get used to it quickly.
namely there are 3 or 4 main differences:
1) enemy tracking is WAY better. you can't just strafe around 99% of enemies anymore to backstab.
2) enemies will follow you farther in general, you can still run away to chug n whatnot but it's slightly harder to cheese encounters (though still entirely possible if youre desperate)
3) poise works differently than DaS1, and a lot of enemies have LOADS of it so dont count on staggering everything you come across
4) like >>320156865 said, if you are used to rolling/dodging like DaS1, you need to invest in ADP, which is tied to how far you roll + how many iframes you get per roll. it's entirely possible to dodge with minimal ADP but you need fantastic timing since your window will be tiny. there is a stat called AGI (mostly tied to ADP), having between 95 and 105 will make it feel more or less like the original DaS as far as rolling goes
>>320157037
There's one of DaS2's flaws, I can admit. People can't be bothered to farm for the red orbs so they'll just cheat for them.Of course some people will just cheat BECAUSE, but hey.
Instead of that shit they should do like me though and just savescum 99 of them and keep savescumming to stay at 99. Increasing reputation with a covenant isn't worth shit so I just keep resetting with the same save file after I get 99 of those.
>>320151396
>>320157662
Now you dun it
>>320157161
What's the point? In the time I'd make a thread there and wait for an answer I could find the source ten times over. Was thinking you've read the doujin and at least remembered how they were fucking.
>>320157531
>>320157573
Well that's a relief. Everywhere online says she wouldn't so I was getting ready to drop the game but now there is at least some hope.
>People trying to defend Dark souls 2: scholar of how to ruin a franchise
Dark souls 2 was, is, and forever will be shit.
I quit playing the original Dark Souls before I even reached the first bosos.
I quit played the Dark Souls 2 before I even reached the first boss.
I eventually managed to get back into Dark Souls 2, and beat the game after taking two more long period breaks which occured while in Lost Bastille, and then Iron Keep.
Most satisfying thing I have ever done is beat Dark Souls 2, I can't wait until Dark Souls comes to Xbox for backwards compatibility so that I can attempt that one again.
>>320156601
I fucking hated those mace dudes, just couldn't beat them, managed to after I leanr their pattern but god damn they do so much damage and never stop swinging.
>>320157872
>>320155707
>But BB is THE worst souls game
>It's a fun game but it isn't a Souls game
make up your mind you fucking retard
>>320151396
soul memory
>>320151396
>It's the most active Souls game by a small margin, at least on Steam.
That's not saying much when there's only two games from the series on Steam
>>320158041
>that pic
>>320158038
>never stop swinging
That's generally their counter to babbies who wouldn't bring their shield down. You weren't babbying them... were you?
>>320157810
Dark Souls 2 sucks my cock, m8.
>>320158041
I got this feeling when I tried DS2.
>>320157872
Play DS2 and then play DS1, DS1 feels like absolute shit after DS2. It's nostalgia that makes you think DS1 is better.
>>320158125
Shhh
Got bloodborne and das2 the same day
Bloodborne is so much better, not even funny
>>320151116
Guys I'm really trying to enjoy Dark Souls 2 but it's just not working for me. The world has no mystery to it and I feel no desire to explore, and some of the enemies will literally 180 pivot in the middle of their attack to hit me.
>>320158143
I used my shield at first but after I got killed a few times I didn't use it. Shield isn't really babbying, if you want to put arbitrary limits on yourself do it, but don't call out other people for not doing it. Are you also one of those people that gets made when you invade someone and they heal?
>>320158238
LOL you damn right I played DS1. I wanted to purify my body and mind by actually playing a good game after I was bored out of my mind with DS2. It runs fine and the technical aspects are perfect, but holy fucking shit the game is bland as fuck. It makes me sick just by thinking about it.
Anything Miyazaki touches will forever be instantly better than that pile of shit.
>>320158238
This is exactly why I keep defending DaS2. It has its issues (which are mostly shared by the entire series, but only DaS2 gets flack for it), but what it improved upon (controls, graphcis, gameplay, variety, scenery, music, content) is more than enough for me that I just can't enjoy DaS anymore. DaS does have the better story though, but it's so damn vague in both games.
>>320151396
>Dark Souls 2 is the best game in the series.
>>320158238
Not true at all. DS2 to me feels really slow and floaty in comparison to DS1, just like how Brawl feels in comparison to Melee.
For people that like to PvP and enjoy the gameplay of DS over its story and lore, DS2 is great. Other than that its not that good. Enemy designs are nonsensical and uninspired, enemy placement is unforgiving and purely there to make the game hard, boss designs are boring, weapons fall into categories and are mostly the same within those categories, the world itself makes no sense, and the lore is laughably on par with fan fiction.
Its still better than many games released today but it lacks the soul that the other games have.
>>320158238
The main issue with going DS2->DS1 is how fucking janky everything is, swings have 10 frames of windup 1 frame of animation then 50 frames for enemies to stand still and wait to get backstabed, the player character just has 10 farmes of windup with 2 frames of attacking followed by nothing
Rolling has the same issue where you move really slowly, then suddenly teleport and then move slowly again, everything feels off after DS2 where things were smooth.
That's not to even get into how absurdly powerful some random drop weapons are and how you have to change gear half way through the game if you want any hope of doing any damage to things or the complete mess that is the upgrade tree
>>320158295
I started with bloodborne. Loved it
Kind of just stopped with SOTFS, I think it's incredibly boring.
Dark souls 3 looks great and I want to try dark souls and demon soils but I don't have a PS3
>>320151396
I'm not gonna lie argue with autists over this again.
>>320158557
Seriously though, I can't go back to the shitty. shitty rolls in DS1 after playig DS2 with it's any-direction rolling.
>>320155707
>BB is THE worst souls game
>it plays so little like one
Reminder that statements like these are always made made faggot ass retards who either never actually played the game, or suck so much cock at it that they think it sucks.
>>320155871
I love the story. I don't think it's as nice and neat as Dark Souls' or Demon Souls', but it's damn good. A lot of the details are nicely hidden in the architecture and throughout the areas in the game, it all feels cohesive, and for the most part makes sense within its own world.
In terms of atmosphere, I'd argue it's the best in the series. It starts out as gothic horror, and then goes full lovecraft at the halfway point. It's some good shit.
>>320158562
Too late buddy >>320156601 was already posted.
I like Bloodborne better as a game but I also feel it's too short and I wish it had more items. DaS2 is bigger and has way more stuff but a lot of it is samey.
In summary Bloodborne is denser but you only get a smaller bite while DaS2 is bigger but the flavor is spread thin
>>320158562
>hitboxes (good).webm
>>320156601 Then?
Shockwaves was a thing in DaS too.
>>320158518
>>320158594
>muh atmosphere
you people are the fallout 3 fags of dark souls, just a heads up.
>>320158297
This so fucking much
>Play demon's /dark souls
>Enter a haunted forest / a giant spider nest / boletaria's castle
>Feel this amazing sense of wonder every damn time. Even after beating it
>Play dark souls 2
>Le poison level, le castle level, le lava castle level, le fortress level
FUCK. You could say the same about every souls game but in DS2 it just fucking feels like the levels are meme parodies of a souls game.
>>320151396
I agree.
>>320158645
Same. Bloodborne on a gameplay level, thematic level and literally a level design level is worlds ahead of dark souls 2.
How anyone can think that, barring the trolls who obviously haven't played it, is beyond me
>>320158808
I could post you the webm of the hitboxes of Ceaseless Discharge but I'm not going to.
>>320158776
The DLC for Bloodborne does for it what the Artorias DLC did for DaS. The Old Hunters adds a lot of good content that connects well with the rest of the game and really makes it a complete package. Not to mention the awesome additions in the weapon and armor departments.
>>320158680
That webm was made before DaS2 had received its first patch, and was a rare thing even then.
Plus, shit like it happened in DaS as well.
>>320158810
He literally said the combat is floaty
No atmosphereanywhere senpai
>>320151116
PvE:Bloodborne>>>>>DS2
PvP:DS2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bloodborne
>>320158785
>Shockwaves was a thing in DaS too.
It's true they did exist with things like Ceaseless Discharge but they were nowhere near as bad as >>320158680.
>>320151396
This
Someone randomly said that DS2 is bad and all people on /v/ (like the mainstream sheep they are) call it bad without playing it. It had crazy hitbox issues at release but with Scholar of the First Sin they fixxed the game and made it also the best Souls game avaible right now.
>>320158856
I think it has to do with how focused DeS and DaS are compared to DaS2. In DeS every stage has something to do with the Old One. In DaS everything in the game world has something to do with either Lordran or the First Flame. In DaS2 a lot of the areas have nothing to do with your primary objective i.e. find the king. Yeah there are Lord Souls there but beyond that the Old Iron Keep or Sinner's Rise largely have nothing to do with anything other than to cement the concept of "other kingdoms used to be here."
>>320159027
>vague shit that can't be properly defined and is totally subjective
exactly the same as atmosphere fags
>>320158557
>DS2
>better graphics
>better music
>better scenery
nah senpai
>>320158810
The atmosphere is the best quality of the Souls games anon, except for Dark Souls 2. Do you really play these games for the combat and PVP?
>>320159052
>nowhere near as bad
You are right, they were even worse and still continue to be while most of the worst shit has been patched out of DS2.
>>320158606
The problem was that they rewrote the story halfway into development but didn't have time to redesign some characters so they had to bullshit the backstories for a few people. Like Lucatiel was originally called Don Quixote and had a little esquire following her around that eventually became the bell tower keepers in the final game
>>320159084
B-but I thought it was bad before I browsed this board regularly
>>320159167
Yes.
>Souls games
>Games wit little to no story presentation, average at best combat and lacking some mechanics like crafting or just anything that's not "killing things"
>Best thing about them is the atmosphere / enemy design / story and NPC implementation, and dark souls 2 is absolute dog turd at all three
That is why Dark souls 2 sucks fucking dick despite running like a charm and having clean performance.
>>320153504
This is the reason why pcücks are the worst kind of persons
Literally no skill
>>320159084
>Someone randomly said that DS2
>but with Scholar of the First Sin they fixed the game
> the best Souls game avaible right now
>All these implications
>someone randomly said
No, everyone says that. It's legitimately bad compared to the other entries, you faggot.
>>320159343
>subjective: the post
>>320159343
>like crafting
Not subtle at all 5/10
>>320159343
>Best thing about them is the atmosphere / enemy design / story and NPC implementation,
Says you. If I wanted that, I would play Witcher 3.
>>320159216
>they were even worse
Shockwaves weren't that big of a complaint till DaS2 came out.
>>320159259
>>320159396
No, you guys don't get it. You don't actually dislike the game, you're just blindly following /v/'s opinions.
>>320159164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFrcmJQencc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em5gtDJcFqM
These two are some of the best tracks in the series.Ornstein & Smough's theme is the singlehandedly best of them all, but the rest of DaS' music was nowhere near as good.
>>320159146
That is why I used the Melee/Brawl comparison anon, the recovery times for animations are really long and the physics of the games have no weight to them.
>>320158238
DaS2 is not objectively worse mind you. It does have some good things over DaS1
>being able to re-spec
>better dual wielding support
>expanded dark sorcery into hexes
>more weapons/armors
>better co-op/PvP interactions
However it also has some pretty bad
>Soul Memory
>less inspired level and monsters designs
>stat-dependent invincibility frames
>poise got fucked
And some neither good, nor bad, just different and weird gameplay changes
>recovery from all attacks is much slower
>AI has better tracking but at the same time we get monsters like those retarded looking salamanders who spin after you like a beyblade
>4 rings instead of 2 but weaker variations of those rings
>teleporting to bonfires from the get-a-go
As far as gameplay is concerned it feels like they tried to push it really hard in a "slower/heavier" direction, so that Bloodborne which is on the opposite side ( basically Dark Souls always Ninja Flip edition) can look more different. They basically split a franchise in two paths for STR and DEXfags.
Given Bloodborne's DLC content, I have high hopes for DS3. DS2 is a lost cause though.
>>320159563
>Shockwaves weren't that big of a complaint
Sure because DS1 was perfect, now go fight Taurus while facefucking him roll the attacks and see how often you eat damage just because he feels like it
>>320159245
Rewriting the story half way through doesnt help the rest of the games faults. The game for its gameplay is good, but everything else still terrible.
For the people that like to PvP, its a treat. I will never understand what people like about Souls PvP, but to each their own.
I've completed bloodborne twice now, still need to buy the DLC, think I might be on a souls craving after it though. Do people still play SOTFS/is it worth buying on PS4?
>>320159563
No
I don't submit to the /v/ hivemind shit. There are games /v/ doesn't like that I do, and vice versa
That being said, I genuinely think dark souls 2 is the worst souls game. I couldn't even finish it, I got fed up with it
>>320159467
There is no fucking way in hell any sane human being can pick ANY DS2 map over the ones in demon's/dark souls. Not even MAJULA, and i fucking love me some Majula.
A dark souls 2 map could be 3 times longer and have 3 times more items and enemies and darkroot fucking garden would still be more interesting. Dark souls has izalith which sucks dick too, I'll give you that.
>>320157281
I really can't think of any human enemies in DaS that don't have some kind of a leap or lunge gap-closer that stops you from simply backing away like that.
>>320159835
>I couldn't even finish it
I suggest you git gud
>>320159835I was being sarcastic.
>>320159396
>No, everyone says that.
It's a well-known fact that most of /v/ unanimously hivemind on parroted opinions and can not form their own, as well as that anything that even begins to grow POPULAR is instantly shit.
Despite what you might think, /v/ isn't everyone. It isn't even a fraction of who has played the games.
>>320159702
Ayy builds will never not be hilarious to me
>>320159813
I finished DaS2 but I didn't feel anything from it. Not really anger or joy, just "oh I'm done." Don't get me wrong it's a very solid game. I'd play it any day over the vast majority of games. Hell I even found some things about it interesting. But I wouldn't choose it over other Souls games.
>>320159563
Because Poe's law I'm just going to assume/hope you're joking.
I didn't go on the internet for the first week that the game was out, and I still hated it. I saw many of the problems with it as I was playing it and, being a fan of the series since DeS, I was wholly disappointed with DaS2 and genuinely felt that it was easily the worst in the series.
>>320159563
Newfag here, I started coming to /v/ a few months ago and I don't go to 9gag/reddit whatever either. My opinion is that Dark Souls 2 is the black sheep of the series.
>>320159084
lmao if you think DS2 even holds a candle to DS1, the transition between levels and the lore in general was awful because the devs had to repurpose levels and characters midway during development because of rewrites and shit
>>320158594
>floaty
>weapons actually swing faster and require the animation to finish instead of allowing you to roll almost immediately
Dark Souls was just sluggish as shit.
Demon's Souls a best.
>>320159860
Darkroot Garden fucking sucks dick though, it's not even comparable to most of the maps in DaS2.
>>320151116
It's pretty decent. I haven't played SotFS, but I liked the base game well enough. It has quite a few problems, but a lot of those were fixed over time, and apparently SotFS fixed even more.
If you like the Souls games, you'll probably like it. I know a lot of people shit on it, but it's still pretty good.
>>320160051
>Black sheep of the series
>series has 2 (two) games
>>320159758
The difference is the Taurus demon doesn't suck fucking dick. Call me a miyazaki buttlicker because I feel like riding his dick extra hard today.
I can forgive from for bad framerates and bad hitboxes if they give me something like Dark souls. But in DS2, fuck no. The taurus demon fight could run at 10 fps and it would still suck less dick than fucking dragonrider/sentinels/lost sinner/flexile dicksucker
>>320159614
>Pinwheel theme
>Sif theme
>Firelink Shrine
>Iron Golem
>Gwyn theme
>Moonlit Butterfly
DS2 basically takes O&S's theme and tries to redo them for every boss. No variety at all, much like the whole game in general.
>>320159702
That's fucking amazing! If only Sony actually gave me more reasons to fucking buy a PS4.
>>320160116
>it looks good
>it plays like shit
VS
>it looks okay
>plays well
DS1 has a lot of neat little things and far more detailed levels etc, but at its core its a far less thought out game with slugish controls
>>320160195
The series has 4 games released as of now (including DeS and bloodborne) and a fifth one coming out next april
>>320160257
>I can forgive from for bad framerates and bad hitboxes if they give me something like Dark souls.
>The difference is the Taurus demon doesn't suck fucking dick.
>Jump attack: The Boss
Miyazaki buttlicker.
>>320160297
>DS2 basically takes O&S's theme and tries to redo them for every boss.
You know absolutely nothing about the OST at all. Shut your mouth before any more stupid shit comes dribbling out of it.
>No variety at all
>coming from DaS where every song was generic Gregorian chant shit with the occasional slow piano tune
>>320158297
Dark Souls 2 doesn't have a cohesive world. It was literally scrapped and rebuilt to become the mess that it is.
Interview with Tanimura
http://peterbarnard1984.tumblr.com/post/113163062955/dark-souls-2-design-works-translation
>>320160050
Sounds like you found enjoyment in all the wrong things in DaS.
We who prefer Dark Souls 2 play games for the gameplay and not for some subjective shit like atmosphere. And SOTFS is by large margains the best controlled, most varied and thus most entertaining game.
>>320160116
I'd choose Darkroot garden over ANY of the levels I visited in DS2 before I decided to drop the game which was more or less 70% in. And Darkroot garden isn't even GOOD by dark souls/demon's souls standards.
Now fucking think about the NEXUS. Or Firelink shrine. Or the parish, or just about ANY demon's souls level. No fucking contest..
>>320160257
I don't care about your opinion on the boss, the fact remains he has "shockwaves" up the ass that were never brought up because retards like you would ignore them then bitch about it in DS2.
>>320160297
But out of those, only Firelink is memorable. And Majula's is better.
>>320158680
one would think dumbass haters like you would have learned this by now but anyway let me explain
when things like that happen it's not a simple case of "bad hitboxes", like them being inaccurate and disproportionately big, all over the place etc.
it has to do with how rolling works in the game
from the moment you roll in any direction, your hitbox doesn't actually move from that position, until you "land" at the end of your roll, at which point your hitbox teleports to the new location, where your "body" is
the moment you start rolling your invincibility frames, based on AGI start counting
if you have low AGI and therefore very small invincibility period, then your "ghost hitbox" that you've left at the start of your roll becomes vulnerable early, until you end your roll
in that webm, the character (his hitbox) is basically still standing right at the giant's foot when he lands, since he hasn't finished his roll yet
he also rolls waaaay too early
you can counter this by rolling at the last moment (invincibility starts right at the beginning of the roll with no delay), or by increasing your AGI, OR by simply just WALKING/RUNNING out of reach of the attack (in which case your hitbox actually moves with your models, like normal)
>>320160413
Demon souls sin't a dark souls game, that argument would be acceptable if demon souls had the curse and used bonfires and dark souls 2 was called devil souls or something, but it's not.
Bloodborne isn't a souls game, the comabt is different, no curse, no bonfires, no souls subtitle. No.
Nice try, but by your logic Warcraft 3 and age of empires 2 are of the same series.
>>320160450
>As if there werent' cheap gimmicks in DS2 bossifghts
Nigger please. Even the fucking CAPRA demon fight is better than 90% of the DS2 boring shit fights, and that is saying something.
>>320154225
Sure most percentage of fps games played on PC are tdm or deathmatch but anyone who transitions from console to PC can tell you that they will get constantly stomped on by other players until they get gud at mouse and keyboard. Ive seen alot of gameplay of console CODs and most players just stand around completely oblivious while other players just shoot them full of lead.
>>320160672
they're made by the same developers and have the same formula you dumbfuck
>>320160357
>it looks good
If Darkroot Garden was something more like Forbidden Forest, then yeah. But it's a flat fucking land sprinkled with 2d trees with no interesting items/paths where they spam you with tree dudes in 1/3 of the area and with mushroom guys who don't even present a threat in another 1/3. The only things this area has are the lighting and the forest covenant.
>>320160784
Which means warcraft and starcraft are the same games series, by your logic.
>people complain about the elevator going from Earthen Peak to Iron Keep
>people accept that a giant hollow tree in the corner of an underground poison swamp leads down to a pristine beach
Help me understand
>>320160357
>far less thought out game
I'd argue that DaS was far more thought out than the uninspired, sometimes even blatantly copy+pasted DaSII. I mean just look at that giant rat boss.
>slugish
I dunno why but it really fucking bothers me when people don't use double consonants, or don't use both c and k for words with the "ck" combination.
>>320160693
Capra Demon is literally just Royal Rat Authority with an even shittier camera because of the smaller room. The fuck is wrong with you?
>>320160596
And thats your own shit taste subjectivity. Gwyns theme is fantastic for its context. I didnt expect it at all and expected something akin to the shit you posted.
>>320160457
I like the attempt at covering it up though
>You're half hollowed so you're having difficulty registering the time it takes to travel between regions
DaS2 a best
>>320160693
No it isn't, and no it's not. DS2 bosses at least give you a soul for a decent boss weapon, and are serviceable if not a little boring. Capra Demon was a clusterfuck of poor design decisions and nothing else, and the only way you'd think otherwise is if you're a complete Miyazaki drone.
>>320160492
Both DS and DS2 have shockwaves.
The fact that DS2 still has them being a fucking SEQUEL makes it all that worse. You had time to fix that shit, but you decided to scrap the project and make this mess of a videogame.
So, yeah, if BOTH dark souls games have the shockwaves why wouldn't you pick the one that has much better bosses/areas/enemies.
>>320151198
This is true. But it's still great.
>>320160795
>it's a flat fucking land
Did...did we play the same game, same area here? Because that's just outright incorrect.
>>320160308
>If only Sony actually gave me more reasons to fucking buy a PS4
Yakuza 0, Yakuza Kiwami, Yakuza 6, Dragon Quest XI, Nier: Automata, Wild, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Gravity Rush 2, The Tomorrow Children, Wattam, Rime, GT Sport, Ni No Kuni 2, Star Ocean 5, Kingdom Hearts II.8, Ni-Oh, Deep Down, and The Last Guardian?
You're telling me there isn't a single game in that list that appeals to you?
2016 is going to be a banner year for the quad imho
things i didnt like:
warping being available from the beginning
fall damage being buffed for some reason, like it adds anything to the game
they got rid of humanity
felt no accomplishment after beating any of the bosses or clearing areas, was just "thank god i don't have to do that anymore"(shrine of amana) or "wow that was so easy, how is this even in a dark souls game"(old iron king)
the bait and switch tactics they pulled with the lighting system and textures
I liked DaSII
I didn't like the fucked up weapon durability system, soul memory, world design, and some boss fights.
>>320160905
>I'd argue that DaS was far more thought
You can argue it all you want then take a look at the upgrade tree and how utterly worthless 90% of it is and them come crawling back here and admit that you were wrong.
DS1 may have been thought out at some point, but so much shit got cut that from a gameplay standpoint shits a mess.
>soulsfags arguing which shitty game is less shit than the other
/v/ truly is the worst board
>>320161046
Not him, but I don't buy a console on promises.
Once they're fully released and in the west, then I'll care. Right now, there's not a whole lot on the system to get outside of Bloodborne that I give a shit about.
>>320161004
DeS had shockwaves
DaS had shockwaves
DaS2 had shockwaves
BB has shockwaves
Let's only bitch about them in DS2 though because you started the series at 1 and have a stick up your ass. It's an issue in the entire series, pretending that its only there for one game makes you look like a willfully ignorant retard at best
>>320160890
yes, they're both RTS games, in that sense.
souls games are a genre in themselves
>>320161117
I hate faggots and you don't see me calling you out.
>>320160976
>Dark souls 2 boss fights are good because they give you a good weapon
DS2fags, ladies and gentlemen
>>320161117
>stop liking what I don't like
>>320161117
What's your favourite game then?
>>320161028
I was specifically talking about the forest area leading to Sif. The one leading to Moonlight Butterfly have a bit more interesting stuff, but it's way smaller.
How do I beat the Smelter Demon?
>>320161212
>souls games are a genre in themselves
>>320161004
>So, yeah, if BOTH dark souls games have the shockwaves why wouldn't you pick the one that has much better bosses/areas/enemies.
DaS2/SOTFS then, in each category and many more?
>>320161063
>upgrade tree
?
>so much shit got cut
???
What the fuck are you even talking about? There is no scrap of evidence as to anything being cut, and upgrade trees? Fucking what?
>>320160465
Never mentioned atmosphere. But of course you jump to that because that's the only thing you faggots can do to defend that shitty game.
You PCfags ruined the community so hard it's not even funny.
>>320161057
>Finish a level in demon's/dark souls
>DAYUM that was a real trip
>Finish a level in DS2
>Thank fucking god I don't have to do that anymore
You helped be describe dark souls 2 levels, thank you based anon.
>>320161216
That's how you know someone doesn't know how to argue on the internet. When they can't even fucking read the argument.
>>320161216
>ignoring the rest of the post in a weak attempt to make yourself not seem like a retard
>acting as if the only aspect of a boss is the rolling and poking
Miyazaki drones ladies and gentlemen.
>release completely new "fixed" version of the game
>don't fix the list of near gamebreaking bugs that come simply from running the game at 60fps
Just B-Team things ;)
>>320161046
>buying a console for games that aren't out
Shigeru Digamoto
>>320161305
roll and flame burr
>>320161212
Yeah you're completely retarded. You honestly think that every game in a genre is of the same series? get the fuck outta here.
>>320161305
I beat him just going toe to toe, sword and board, treat it like a boxing match. Guard up, and circle around him. Pick your shots, and then take them.
It's less about the knockout punch, and more about points, don't get greedy. play it to the cards.
>>320161383
>anything being cut
>nothing in DS1 was cut
Good god man, how little do you know?
>>320160901
The trees hold up the surface of the world, at least under Lordran.
The ash lake area is a giant cave, the sand is actually ash from the war against the dragons when Izalith and the witches burned everything.
Why the other trees in ash lake aren't visible on the surface would be a better question, but probably they just don't break through the surface, they just hold it up from under the ground.
>>320161243
>I was specifically talking about this one particular spot that's less than 50% of the whole area
>and generalising the whole game based on that
Ok.
>>320161343
Call of duty is a genre of it's own!!!!
Why?
Because I said so of course!!!!
>>320161195
did any of the other games in the series have a system that changes the number of i-frames that you get on rolling?
maybe theres some correlation there with why it is more pronounced in dark souls 2
