>"Hi, we're the best games in our respective series' but are denied that position because of retarded, contrarian, nostalgia-glass wearing plebs."
meme
>>320101539
Quake 4 was really good. One of my favorite single player campaigns ever.
>>320101539
here is your (You)
>>320101539
I wonder if you'll get somebody
>>320101539
>Doom 3
>Best
Wow. You're retarded, even D44m looks like it's going to be better.
Doom 2 is still one of the best games of all time, how does that pasty grey shit even compete?
>>320101539
Doom 3 has a great singleplayer once you install the flashlight mod
>>320101539
>doom 3
>better than doom 2
I saw this very same thread with the same statement exactly one month ago, What makes you think you are less of a fucking faggot now and won't get ridicules as you did last time.
Neither are more than average, mediocre shooters, with their franchise in name only let alone qualifying as good games, die.
>>320101872
>this whole post
>>320101659
>Doom 2 is still one of the best games of all time
HAHAHAHAHA nostalgia morons make me laugh
DOOM 2 has terrible level design, overpowered weapon that ruins balance, terrible controls, no verticality in movement or any vertical aim, all AI monsters are slow braindead monsters that provide zero challenge, 99% of the maps look like samey shit with repeating textures and geometry, and sane repetitive gameplay with absolutely zero variety
>>320101992
>this half assed reply
>>320101872
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifYelSTlMo
>>320102018
>Doom 3 was challenging
okay.
>>320102018
>terrible controls
Anyone remembers Prey?
This whole thread is reddit gold. Thanks guys, my screencaps are sure to get a lol or two.
If I want some quake multiplayer where can I find people at? Q3A or QL?
>>320102356
Nah no one remembers the game posted in every webm thread
>>320102387
Nowhere, it's dead, let it go that perfect girl is gone.
Doom 2 and Quake 1 are the best of their series.
Doom 3 suffered great flaws like the retarded "artistic choice" that you have to switch between gun and flashlight and repetitive jumpscares like the fuckers breaking doors as you open them (it's repeated around 9 times, with the exact same scenario each time). Overall it had a really good atmosphere but became really repetitive after the 2/3. Also bad end boss.
Quake is fast, gloomy and grim just as it's supposed to be. Quake 2 did capture this atmoshpere. (Quake 3 isn't really comparable). Quake 4 didn't manage to get this mood, which has been the series signature since the beginning. The vehicle parts were fucking annoying and ruined the whole pace of the game.
Also Quake 1 managed to pull off the whole modern weapons in a medieval environment thing which is fucking rare and a real good surprise.
Pic unrelated
I thought Quake IV was shit then I got to the part where you get stroggified and you finally move as fast as you would expect to move in a Quake game, gain access to strogg weapons and you start to fight other stroggified marines who use sneaky tactics and don't just stand in place while shooting like the other stroggs. They should have just cut the first two hours of the game along with all the shitty vehicle sections and jumped straight to that.
>>320102246
>left and right arrow keys turn your character
>up and down arrow keys move him back or forward
>good controls
>B-BUT MUH BRUTAL DOOM GUIZ ;.;
>>320101539
>Doom 3: slowly walking to the next jump scare edition
>better than Doom 2
nah. Quake 4 has the best Quake single player tho
>>320102762
Yeah man, its too bad you can't change the controls or anything.
>>320102762
>I am incapable of changing the controls
>or installing a source port
>>320101539
Quake Wars on steam when?
Also, why can't they sell Prey anymore?
>>320103000
>MUH SOURCE PORT GUIZ, ITS NOT BAD IF YOU CHANGE IT WITH TECHNOLOGY THAT DIDN'T EXIST IN 1993 XD
still doesn't fix all the other problems with this turd
Should've posted the Doom 3 expansion OP.
It was really good.
>>320102827
doom 3 is just too spooky
it's atmosphere really turned off the bitch niggas who need the lights to be on constantly and who also need to be able to know which direction the enemies are coming from
>>320103260
It has no problems, once you get to play the game with mouse and WASD is still one of the best shooters ever made.
>>320103427
When I was a kid Doom 3 was extremely spooky for a while.
But then I got bored of the same repetitive encounters and stupid plot that moved at a glacial pace.
>>320101717
>861x564
>>320103243
Man, it would be great if they re-release QW for like $20 with maybe a couple new maps to rope in both new and old players.
I think if it just had a chance to be noticed people would really appreciate how well-designed it is, especially compared to all the other class-based multiplayer FPSs. Then again, maybe most people will just be put-off by how it doesn't have a grind and unlock system like all the other shitty multiplayer games today.
>>320103260
>>320102762
arrow keys were considered acceptable back then and the game was designed around it. No one at the time of Doom release thought the default controls were awful. Seems like you're complaining about something that wasn't a problem and is solved for babies like you.
>>320103617
>no problems
See>>320102018
>>320103781
Everything in that post is wrong excepting the controls. If you want vertical aim you can enable that in any decent source port.
>>320103779
People back then also didn't complain about shitting in the streets, times change retard
>>320103693
>When I was a kid Doom 3
>Doom3 release date : 2003
Fuck.
That doesn't mean you're wrong, mind you. Did you play the other doom ?
>>320103879
Nope they are all 100% right
>>320103903
>times change retard
Not when you live in India
>>320103963
Doom was the first FPS I ever played.
>>320101539
>Making meme threads about meme games multiple times with the same meme arguments and meme buızzwords
Impolite sage.
>>320103973
Why are you wasting your time here rather than playing CoD with your underage friends on the Xbone?
>>320103879
Anon please I played Doom 2 at release date when I was 11 and it was fucking annoying and repetitive.
Your nostalgia goggles are showing.
>>320103989
Kek
>>320104042
I'm 21 and the first fps I played was Doom 2 in 1997
why are you such a babby?
>>320104151
The first time I played Doom II was a couple of years ago. It had flaws but was really good, and level design was anything but repetitive, especially because there are lots of gimmicky levels.
>>320103963
It was 2004 nigger
Along with half life 2, far cry and painkiller
I was really hiped for hl2 and doom3 at the time
>>320104120
Doom is more casual than CoD, I had a garder time in CoD4 campaign than the entirety of Doom 1/2
But nice typical CoD strawman you made, shows how mature you are
Dark Forces is the greatest Doom game of all time.
Fact
>>320104332
I don't get what you are trying to say there m8.
>>320104410
If your first fps is doom 3 it means you start gaming too late or that you're underage
either way, you're a casual and I am better than you imo desu
>>320104397
I don't care how casual the games are, although Ultra-Violence Doom is harder than Veteran on CoD4. But the Cowadooty games are just plain shit.
And if you want a really hard Call of Duty game you should try the first one, that's probably more unfair than Doom on Nightmare.
>>320104610
>If your first fps is doom 3
But I never said that broski.
>>320102840
>>320103000
Not him and I like Doom 2 but you should be judging it based on its original release, not the fixes that can be made to it now.
>>320104610
He said doom, not doom 3.
you posted this a few days ago
shiller no shilling
>>320104397
CoD4 can be very hard depending on your behavior. At first I tried to be cautious and precise. I quickly figured out that there were infinite waves of enemies until you pass certain checkpoints. After I realized that you had to rush while hipfiring like the 12 years old do, (for whom this game was originally designed) it was a cakewalk (between the terrible "cinematic visceral" experiences inspired by the most basic hollywood shit tier movies).
tl;dr you had a harder time with cod4 because it's a shit game
>>320104781
>>320104694
oh, you're better than me then shit
>>320101539
Honestly agree. Doom 3 was fantastic. Terrifying
>>320104392
>2004
Yeah i checked that after posting.
2004 truly was one of the most exciting years in gaming.
Also cave story and carmen san diego
>>320101539
Maybe for single player content--emphasis on MAYBE as I thought Doom 3 was meh on release. a really pretty meh, though.
Multiplayer? Come on--Q3A. Ever hear of it, n00b.
>>320104990
>level design is same copypasted corridors until the "hell" part
>gameplay is nothing but slow paced "cinematic" bullshit
It's terrifyingly bad
>>320102762
>he played with arrow keys
wew it's like you didn't have a mouse or something
>mouse controls forward, back, turn
>hold key to toggle turns -> strafes
>>320105131
Fantastic thriller story, in depth plot with text logs, (you're in an industrial complex on Mars, you think it's not going to all look the same?) Decent gunplay, although dated. Great graphics for the time. Just cause you can't go autism fast doesn't mean it's bad
>>320104721
By that measure VtM - Bloodliness is an unplayable piece of shit.
>Doom 3
>being anything but a shitty tech demo to show the engine and lighting system
Do any retard here actually thinks obscure corridors after custcenes was a decision made based on the gameplay?
>>320105327
>Fantastic thriller story, in depth plot with text logs
I think you might be confusing Doom 3 with System Shock 2.
The writing in Doom 3 was insanely bad.
>>320105327
>>320105418
You're both wrong, Doom 3 didn't have a great plot but calling it 'insanely bad' just smacks of hyperbole.
>>320105551
It was boring and bland, that's the worst kind of story you can get.
>>320105629
>>320105551
>>320105418
>>320105327
I enjoyed doom 3, it was reminiscent of SS2 and felt like a comfy dungeon crawl with nice menus and logs
If it had more rpg elements and weapons it'd be amazing
>>320105629
insanely bad would mean actively bad, like MGS games.
It's just not there, there's no real story apart from the fact that an ancient evil is awaken. After that it's all atmosphere, not story. You can shit on the atmosphere if you want, but picking on the story part just makes you sound retarded.
>>320101539
This thread again already
>>320101539
Doom 3 and Quake 4 both suffer from the handicap that they're SLOW (Quake 4 less so). This means that as multiplayer games or as singleplayer maps with frantic action and loads as monsters they're kind of bad compared to their predecessors.
>>320105327
>you're in an industrial complex on Mars, you think it's not going to all look the same?
How is this even a fuckin excuse? DooM even with the limited tech had a lot more variety in level design and themes, fuck off.
>Decent gunplay, although dated.
Weapons were fucking SHIT, who asked for a fuckin useless weak ass pistol and shotgun, and guess what, original doom gunplay doesn't feel any dated.
>Just cause you can't go autism fast doesn't mean it's bad
It's a mediocre walking, cutscene spooky simulator, speed is the least of its problems.
>>320105629
>>320105551
>>320105727
The story was in no way "terribly bad." I much prefer it to doom 1 and 2 where there's literally none.
>>320101539
Hi repost
>>320105832
Who the fuck plays a shooter, no wait, a Doom game for it's story?
>>320101539
You know you've been on /v/ too long when you see this thread again.
>>320105790
There is literally no reason for a living complex on a foreign planet to look like anything other than what it needs to serve it's function. You sound retarded right now. You think the space station needs a forest level?
Ok so your complaints are it's slow and you can't one hit everything with and ultra shotgun, aka don't want to be challenged.
>>320105758
The MGS games are a parody of themselves, they are funny and often clever.
>>320105956
People who like stories.
>>320102018
> repeating textures and geometry
This is probably the least true statement of the bunch
> no verticality in movement
>>320101621
Maybe this is just because I didn't play it until a few years ago, but I played a few hours of the campaign and found it to be the most generic thing I've ever played. I'm talking the kind of game you see brief flashes of on screen in movies when they're too cheap to license a specific game and just need to simulate something.
>>320106015
>You think the space station needs a forest level?
Maybe.
>>320106015
>but muh cinematic and "realistic" enviroments!
Level design is supposed to be made based on gameplay and not on looks or realism you fuckin retard, your fucking cancerous kind is why devs can get away with being creativily lazy and make wanna be movies instead of great games.
>>320106215
>>320106254
"If it makes sense, it's wrong!"
Wow, that looks a lot like the desolate wasteland of Mars!
Look I've never played any Doom except the original, and I have only played Quake 4 and I can tell you that game sucks ass. I couldn't even finish the campaign because it was so fucking boring. Once I got to the level where everything including the walls are something organic I wanted to blow my brains out because of how much of a drag it was. Everything from music to gameplay to environments was terribly drab.
If that was the best game in the franchise then I don't wonder that it is dead
>>320106015
>Metroid fusion
>Space station with forest, jungle and underwater enviroments
Only people who claim Doom 3 is anything else than shit is people who hasn't played anything but modern shooters.
>>320101539
quake 4 wasn't the best.
Doom 3 is a really underrated game but it isnt better than the original
>>320106513
>he actually justifies corridor, cutscene, corridor, custcene gameplay
Dead Space got much better the concept by making a "believable" space station setting with interesting level design than the failure that was Doom 3.
>>320101539
>>320101621
I use to think this as well, I enjoyed doom when it came out as much as the next guy.
However when talking bout DOOM 3, He showed me a map of what you do.
Its a single line, side objectives but really just a line.
Doom was more do this then that all within the same level before you can get to the exit, some levels were a line but not really.
If they open up the levels made them locked doors that go no where have something behind them maybe i'd accept it but..
Still DOOM 3 was an awesome game along with Quake 4, Really fun to play on max difficulty.
>>320106750
>underated
Whats was memorable about DooM 3 besides its looks, which are dated by now?
Shit like Doom 3 is way below the likes of Halo.
>>320107128
Just fuck off you retarded little shitposter.
>>320107128
>>320107179
Halo CE is much better than Doom 3.
>>320106926
Doom 3 had some interesting things when compared to Dead space just as Dead space had some interesting things.
I still reference doom 3 and quake 4 in my work.
>>320107179
>no arguments
Kill yourself and your shitaste, DooM 3 was a mistake and ID is literally trying to "fix" everything by making the new game as different it can be from 3.
>>320101539
Doom 3 is a completely different type of game and I don't LIKE that type of game. I like Doom because its a first person bullet hell shooter where you're constantly being fast and having fun.
>Quake 4
>Better than Quake 3
Love the small of b a i t in the morning
>>320107238
They would both rate about the same for me, I did play CE alot more however but that was online with friends.
Still DOOM 3 LMS mod is very good and fun.
>>320107301
Doom 4 looks more like a sequel to Doom 3 than anything else though.
That's why the shills are pretending that 3 was anything else but a complete turd that disappointed millions of fans upon release..
>>320107273
DS
>better level design
>better story
>better weapon variety
>better gameplay mechanics
"Doom" 3
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You can fill those.
>>320107443
Kek
>>320107589
Doom 3
>better level design
>better story
>better weapon variety
>better gameplay mechanics
DS
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wow rekt you
>>320107696
You are more lazy to whoever was in charge in Doom 3 level design.
>>320107786
Your points don't "prove" anything, anyone can say that gameplay in one game is better than another. I personally perefer doom3's gameplay over a slow third person shooter. What now faggot?
>>320102356
W-w-whats t-that?
>>320107838
You've proven you're a newfag who had been conditioned by console era gameplay
>>320107786
Wasn't the same person who was in charge of doom 2 in charge of doom 3? so what your saying is you hate doom 2?
>>320107838
>I personally perefer doom3's gameplay over a slow third person shooter.
So you like a slow first person lineal shooter without anything else to do instead?
Get real faggot, your "game" just sucks.
>all these mad as fuck nostalgia faggots ITT
>>320108086
>Its just notslagia!
>>320108012
Doom 3 can be fast, it has a fast sprint and it's beneficial to be fast on hard difficulties, you're fucking retarded.
>>320107920
Preferring doom 3 over a console tps, right
>>320108317
>baby first PC shooter thinks this is fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4XYT4ZkzOk
>it's beneficial to be fast on hard difficulties
Gameplay is never fast paced on Doom 3 singleplater you fuckin retard, even if you managed to go fast for a bit you would be slowed down by the next door + cinematic and sometimes elevator if youre lucky that goes after each corridor which is the only kind of map this game had.
>>320108240
Well.. They still kinda have the same design but that being said there's alot of objectives within those extra areas.
Somehow i expect to see this image used incorrectly down the lines..
>>320101539
They're all good games, but it's hard to say which is best because they're so completely different that you can't really compare most of them. For instance original Quake was about slipgate hopping through alternate dimensions fighting ancient lovecraftian horror demons using tech and magic and Quake 2 was about a war on an alien planet. Then Quake 3 was a pure arena shooter with barely single player. The only sequential games are Q2 and Q4. Quake 1 had big complex single serving levels and once you were finished with one you never had to return. Quake 2 was broken down into parts like Half-life. You might have to trek back through a map you completed to grab something you missed. Quake 4 took the concepts in Q2 and expanded on them positively in all aspects, except for the turrets sections. (They were fucking awful.) So I can understand why you prefer Q4. But to me I prefer the pure action in original Quake. It was more fast paced and the levels were flat out better.
As for Doom, Doom 3 was to be nothing like original Doom. The concept of the game was similar but the tone had shifted from a fast paced fuck em up to a dark plodding spookathon. I enjoyed skulking around in Doom 3 and reading company emails, but I'd rather be playing Doom.
>>320108630
Holy shit just kill yourself.
>>320101539
both are complete garbage.
Doom > Doom 2 > Doom 3
Quake > Quake 2 > Quake 3 > Quake 4
>>320108630
God dammit anon, what are you doing?
>>320108637
Funny, I'm playing DOOM3 right now for the first time and I'm still in the Doom 1/2 mindset
>I'm not scared of you demons, you should be scared of me!
>>320106087
>in movement
He's right. You can't jump, rocket jump or fly like you could in HeXeN/Quake/Unreal.
>>320108761
>>320108669
Well, Any reasonable person will see that the levels from 1993 have alot of side objectives that open up the door.
>>320103694
this imo desu senpai
Before you accuse me of taking his bait let me explain you a thing
DOOM3 is just kind of awkward and not as satisfying killing stuff compared to DOOM2. Sure it looks pretty, but Dead Space looks about the same, and is more fun. So I see it as a sort of awkward mediocre DOOM game that looks like Dead Space.
I have not played Quake 4. I was always more of an Unreal Tournament guy
>>320104636
>although Ultra-Violence Doom is harder than Veteran on CoD4
Not really, maybe about the same, but CoD on Veteran can reach unbelievable levels of bullshit though. I dont even think I beat WaW on Veteran
>>320104610
Typical PKek response.
