Why does /v/ hate Nintendo now?
>>320047757
/v/ hates everything always
only neo-/v/ has brand preferences
>>320047757
>Nintendo hate
>on Neo-/v/
Come on anon.
That said it's not just Nintendo either. It's Microsoft and anything relating to PC as well.
Nobody hates anything here
People just try and post anything to make others rage
/v/ likes Nintendo, they just don't like people who like Nintendo.
>>320047757
kids games thats it bro
>>320047757
Nintendo has done nothing good
>>320047757
xbot here, i fucking love you guys though
>>320047757
E3
You might be underestimating how awful it really was. The recent direct wasn't that much better. Cloud was the saving grace.
Amiibos and greedy/lazy decisions
NoA being braindead
>>320047757
Their becoming more and more jewish.
Look at the new fire emblem game, its supposed to be on 1 cartridge. In the US its split into 2 games with day 1 dlc.
2015's been shit for everyone but Amiibos are extra shitty.
>>320048543
>two games on one cart
Are you retarded?
That's the worst idea anyone could ever do.
>>320048543
It has the same release setup in Japan
>>320048721
Its the same game, just different campaigns. Do you think that no one has released several campaigns in one game before?
>>320048168
This for me.
Even with their fuck-ups I still like Nintendo, but almost all of their fanbases are terrible (Smash, Pokemon, Fire Emblem, Zelda, Mario in relation to spinoffs, Kid Icarus,Sonic (he's basically Nintendo at this point), etc)
Most of the few good fanbases for Nintendo series are for the ones that are either dead (F-Zero, Mother), dying (Metroid), or were never popular to begin with (Pikmin, Xenoblade).
By the time Splatoon 2 comes out, that fanbase will be terrible as well (if not considered so already)
>Censored weeb games
>God Awful E3
>Shoving Amiibos down people throats
>NX is fucking gimmicky shit again
>>320048382
>A DLC character for a year old game is the saving grace
That's not even funny man
>>320047757
because in japanese "v" is almost the same as "b".
>>320048721
Yeah because no strategy game has ever had multiple routes on one disc or anything
>>320047757
Because Nintendo fans are insecure as fuck and get pissy when people aren't sucking Mario's dick 24/7
>>320048931
>ts the same game, just different campaigns.
So is Fire Emblem 6, 7 and 8 for GBA and they were all sold separately.
>>320048990
>Caring about fanbases
Autism is real.
>>320048721
yes but as an SRPG with minimal graphical detail beyond cutscenes, it's hardly a situation where
>It's a whole other game, guys!
is valid, considering they're reusing Awakening assets and map design is the primary difference between each route (and I doubt Hoshido's took a lot of work)
>>320048931
and this, having alternate campaigns isn't a luxury like IntSys apologists make it out to be
/v/ is literally nintendogaf
>>320047757
/v/ got full nostalgia hard-on for Nintendo because they are all 25+ by now.
neo-/v/ is anal blasted because they got full nostalgia hard-on for Sony and Microsoft Halo, DMC, 3D GTA, Call of Duty, Tom Clancy etc and only know the games /v/ played from faggot yt/twitch e-celebs and speedrunners who nobody likes.
Give it a few more years and neo-/v/ will be replaced by neo-neo-/v/ which will hate Sony and PS2 because Xbox 360 was the tightest shit in their childhood.
>>320047757
The better question is, why does Nintendo hates its fanbase now?
If they gave a single shit about hardcore players, they wouldn't have shit the bed this hard with Wii U fisher price console and, amiibos, and moving to mobile.
Nintendo used to be for the hardcore.
>>320048721
>A route is considered one game
You literally can't defend this
>>320049191
No, because they were made at different times. In this case they could easily release all the campaigns on one cart, but they want to jew you for maximum money.
What are you talking about, OP? Shitendo gets too much praise on here.
Honestly if you play (Trash) Bintendo games over the age of 18, you should legally not be allowed to go within a mile of an elementary school.
>>320048168
Not true.
I hate nintendo because of their jewish and shitty business practices and decisions, price fixing and rehashes, and any anon that isn't a good goy should as well.
>>320049237
>is valid, considering they're reusing Awakening assets.
They aren't tough. There's more things different between Fates and Awakening than there is between Binding Blade and Sacred Stones.
They added lots of new classes and redesigned every existing class. Which isn't something they've ever done with a handheld sequel. They've done 2 games worth of work on it..
>>320049056
That sounds about right.
I can see how most of this is just Nintendo being retarded in general, but I don't get how NoA as a whole hasn't been restructured by now. I don't really use social media, but the censoring issue must have had ripple effects on more sites than more or less obscure anonymous imageboards.
>>320049379
Nintendo was always casual. They had in every generation a few games here and there which branched out from this but in general it was always targeted at kids and their families.
>>320049379
because it's run by a bunch of old men in Japan who don't know how to evolve as a company
and making a new Metroidinb4 fed forcewould take too much work, have another Mario spinoff, complete with amiibo compatibility :^)
>>320049462
>No, because they were made at different times.
They were all released in three consecutive years. More likely than not Blazing Sword and Sacred Stones were developed at the exact same time.
>>320049562
Why are you defending obviously shitty business practices?
>>320049651
The main problem with Nintendo consoles since the GC has been a lack of third party support. That's less of an issue with all the PC ports these days but it's still a problem if you don't want to buy more than one console.
>>320049801
Because they're literally two games as opposed to one being sold twice?
This isn't Pokemon you know.
>>320047757
Modern Nintendo is trash.
They have been going on on the wrong path ever since the Wii and has never stopped going down the same path.
I'd even be okay if they didn't delay the few games they do have worth mentioning for MONTHS on end for no apparent reason and the constant delays of Zelda U
>>320049554
>Shitendo
>(Trash) Bintendo
holy autism
>>320049201
>Caring about other people caring about fanbases
Autism is real.
Neo-/v/ grew up with the Wii as their first console.
They don't understand how hard Nintendo has fallen compared to the SNES/N64 , and they can't handle anybody telling them their gimmicky phone'd in garbage is in fact garbage.
>>320050148
While I'd rather have a game delayed and be not shit, it does fuck with their release schedule. All they had for the holidays this year was Xenoblade, which they absolutely refused to shill, and Mario Tennis which is the worst entry in the series.
You can tell they really want to ditch consoles for mobile games.
>>320050148
They've only delayed 2 games anon.
And are you seriously saying you want some rushed trash as opposed to a working game?
>>320049712
>three consecutive years
So? In this case, one game has been made and they split it up so they could make more money. With those games it wasn't possible to release them on one cart because they weren't finished at the same time.
>>320050014
When will you retards forget about the Wii already? They've been nothing but hardcore players centric for the past year, Amiibos aside. They've been releasing classic after classic, for fucks sake.
>>320049557
>rehashes
>>320049934
You should be wanting all the content to be released at once since you're the consumer - thats the outcome that would most benefit you. But for some reason, you are defending a company making profits at your expense. The point is that they could release all the content for one price, but they chose not to because they are jewish gooks.
>>320050426
If it's been years, then it being "rushed trash" is because they were ineffective in releasing a product that they had given a reasonable release date for. And it's partially just NoA being unable to handle anything other than Mario/Zelda and throwing in memes just because
>>320050589
delete this
>>320048539
>>320048543
>>320049168
>>320049379
>>320049557
>>320049821
>>320050014
All of these are correct.
>>320050557
>classic after classic
lol
>>320049801
>obviously shitty business practices?
Conquest or Birthright by themselves are $40 the 2nd biggest Fire Emblem game with 42 chapters+sidequests with the most classes, weapons,etc.
There are 12 Fire Emblem games that are shorter than a single version of Fates and were all sold for full price. If you think Fates is shitty you have a very poor concept of value.
>>320050557
>animal crossing minigame shit
>that chibi robo platformer
>Mario tennis that has less content than the N64 game
>free to play badge shit
>Federation Force
>BUH-BUH-BUT THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON THE HARDCORE FANS THIS WHOLE TIME
>>320050589
>Series across multiple generations compared to one generation
nintendrones are funny
>>320050589
excellent cherry picking my nintendrone friend. +10 memes to you
>>320050949
And you could have gotten both campaigns for one price, yet you choose to defend the company that is jewing you
>>320050557
>When will you retards forget about the Wii already? They've been nothing but hardcore players centric for the past year
surely you jest
>re-releasing old games
>somehow its a saving grace
>>320051046
>gran turismo started on ps4
millenials please go
>>320050589
>make fun of muh beloved ninty
>Y-you must be a sonygger!
>Bought a Wii U two years ago
>Get Sm4sh, MK8, Bayonetta 2 and 3D world
>Play them for a while and get bored of them
>Literally not interested in anything else
>Hardly play it any more
Well, at least my siblings are putting it to good use. I'm pretty disappointed with the system. Only thing I'm looking forward to is the new Zelda but who knows if it'll be shit or not
>>320051268
>It thinks that those games are on PS4
I'm impressed. Is it because the Wii U has 7th generation graphics?
>>320051347
of course, pc and xbox fans are nice people that don't have to shit on everyone else every minute to keep their self steem
I'm legitimately curious as to why they won't make another Metroid
people would even be happy for a remake/remaster considering how desperate the fanbase is
>>320051067
Splatoon has 14 maps.
The fact that you have to squeeze in *at release shows how much cherry-picking you're doing.
Also, regarding amiibo:
>Need them to unlock weapons
You unlock 3 weapons, and they're the exact same as other weapons except they have a different lock.
>Need them to unlock skins
This is true.
>Need them to unlock single player missions
None of the missions you play are new. They are all taken from the normal single player mode.
Because people paraded Nintendo as some shining bastion of purity because they didn't do all of the dumb things other devs started doing last gen when the only reason they didn't was because they were stuck in the past, quite literally with hardware
Now that the retard's finally realized how to add two and two they act like anything's really changed
>>320051657
>pc
>not shitting on everyone else every chance they get
>>320051347
sauce on her please friend?
>>320051761
>her
>>320047757
Sonygger infestation that love nogames.
>>320052158
>>320052158
/thread
>>320051751
This, their saving grace used to be "well at least they care about making games unlike Sony and MS!"
But after the amiibos getting 60% of focus during each direct, more delays, and mediocre games, people are rightfully disappointed
>>320052158
>B-But Sony!
>>320047757
What reason do I have to like them?
They are the worst of the fucking worst in this industry
They straight up showed FAKE footage of Zelda U at last years E3 pretending it was on Wii U then went silent and afterwards said it wasn't coming out that year. Then we see it again and it looks like total unpolished, blurry, Vaseline-covered, foggy shit. If any other game company did this except Nintendo there would be shitposting non stop about it.
Amiibos are the most disgusting practice I have ever seen in the video game industry - requiring you to scan TWO of the SAME amiibo to be able to get things in a video game that are otherwise unobtainable.
Also the quality of their games has absolutely died in the ass completely, when Nintendo said that they were going to "make more spin offs" earlier last year I knew that was a bad idea (of course the Shitendo fanbase defended it) and now they have had bomb after bomb after bomb this holiday even in Japan.
to top it off they have told us that their internal studios would be working on mobile games - so expect even further delays to their software.
Also the fact that they are KILLIING the Wii U off early JUST FOR PROFIT despite 10 million of their most dedicated fans (and some children) buying it. An absolutely disgusting act - who in their right mind would buy their next console if the one people just spent $350 dollars or whatever amount on just got dumped verbally 3 years into its life cycle? This is the EXACT same thing SEGA did with the Saturn and it is a DANGEROUS prospect. The parents whom just recently bought a Wii U and will go to buy the next piece of software only to be told that they need to buy ANOTHER piece of hardware are going to be extremely sour. I have seen it first hand.
This doesn't even speak about moneyhats of games downgraded onto their utter shite of a handheld. Censoring games for no good reason at all. The disgusting memes being inserted into every localization. I could go on...
>>320047757
>Why does /v/ hate Nintendo now?
Did you sleep throughout the year?
rather than looking through rose-tinted glasses, it's important to look at what they are doing now, which is releasing samey games with mediocre for $60 a pop
They've also been disappointingly eager to use DLC practices for their games, some of which is done way better than others
>>320052158
Literally NOTHING about Sony in the OP and a shitting drone brings them up
They don't even compete with Sony anymore, they CAN'T compete with them
>>320051175
>And you could have gotten both campaigns for one price.
Which would be fucking stupid and would either force them to create a much smaller game to sell for less or expect everyone to shell over more money. What we have now is pretty flexible:
1 campaign: $40
2 campaigns: $60
3 campaigns: $80
It's clear some of you have an issue with how the game is being sold rather than what you get for what you pay. If they were really trying to jew you they'd just make the game smaller and keep it as a whole release since making two campaigns sold separately and the rest as DLC would only draw attention to it.I kind of find it silly that overtly different sales strategies are being pointed at as "jewery" as if Nintendo were some kind of cartoonish snidley whiplash. When really its the games that offer less than ever for the same price tag + season pass that try to trick you into thinking everything is normal until you buy the product.
Like you guys snap the moment a company states "we're selling these differently now", "This free to start game uses real money" as opposed ot the ones that try to dodge around it(EA) .
>>320053771
>force them to create a much smaller game to sell for less
No, they would just release the game they have made now for one price. They would still make a profit easily.
>expect everyone to shell over more money
Why?
>It's clear some of you have an issue with how the game is being sold
Obviously
> If they were really trying to jew you they'd just make the game smaller and keep it as a whole release since making two campaigns sold separately and the rest as DLC would only draw attention to it.
That would be another way of jewing, but that would probably lose them more customers in the long run, so they would decrease long run profits. This way makes them the most money. You are still being jewed, but not at that level.
>overtly different sales strategies
They are making you pay multiple times for one complete game. You should pay once and get all the content.
I don't understand why you're defending this when you are losing out here. If they released all the content at once you would get more value for money. Why are you protecting a company that is clearly acting for profit first, at your expense?
Because of this.
>>320054781
Based Kaz putting Nintendobabbies to rest.
>>320054781
>what is R. Mika
>>320054420
>I don't understand why you're defending this when you are losing out here. If they released all the content at once you would get more value for money. Why are you protecting a company that is clearly acting for profit first, at your expense?
I'm not defending it. I know they're out for money and I'm saying they never would have made all that content if they were selling it for $40. Why would they make a game with 3 campaigns(each with 42 battles sharing the first 6 chapters and 5 sidequests) with 93 unique battles between them when they Sold Path of Radiance which had 30 unique battles for $50?
>That would be another way of jewing, but that would probably lose them more customers in the long run, so they would decrease long run profits..
Except it wouldn't because as per my previous example Fates as a whole is more than 3x bigger than Path of Radiance. Your argument is basically assuming no matter how much content they make for a game it should always sell at the same price. Which is stupid because that would mean we've been retroactively short changed for every single Fire Emblem.
>>320048543
Like how the Pokémon games use the same trick since the first game? Like how Zelda Oracles used the same trick?
Also, Japan has their cartridge split in two too.
>>320055207
>Street Fighter
>Sony
It's a capcom game
Because it's cool to defend Sony on /v/ and it always has been. Remember when PSN got hacked and a ton of credit card info got stolen easily?
>>320047757
lol why do Nintendrone always act like they are victim
>>320055318
>Why would they make a game with 3 campaigns(each with 42 battles sharing the first 6 chapters and 5 sidequests) with 93 unique battles between them when they Sold Path of Radiance which had 30 unique battles for $50?
Why should that raise the price of the game? Advance wars days of ruin had around 200 maps, and a complete story mode.
>no matter how much content they make for a game it should always sell at the same price
I just want the consumer to always get the best deal possible, which makes sense since I am one. Since they can release all the content at one price, they should. They released everything they had made at once before, they can do it again. Did you defend FF7 being split into parts too?
Even though I own most of all the amiibo's that's one of the main reason's they're shit.
It's the only thing they got worth buying, since their games have been shit for awhile
>>320055738
oh so sony games aren't censored because they don't even exist
>>320055630
Oracle games are two different games with the same engine and some shared items. Each of them alone are bigger games than any other portable Zelda except maybe ALBW. How can you have a problem with them being split?
>>320051067
Splatoon is actually fun though
>>320048156
SHUT UP YOU'LL BLOW THE WHOLE OPERATION
>>320049056
Doesn't affect the gameplay.
Your opinion fag.
Amiibos are nice figures only idiots collect them for dlc.
Nice talking out of your ass.
/v/ hivemind at its finest.
>>320049168
Nice false flag you piece of shit.
>>320051067
>>320047892
So this is 4gaf?
Fucking Mario Tennis for E3 you have got to be kidding me.
>>320052693
MODS HELP
I grew out of nintendo when I was 10. Now I when I try to play their new games they are casualized trash. Especially smash bros. Might as well play hello kitty doo doo simulator over the new smash game.
>I just want the consumer to always get the best deal possible,
So do I. Which is why I don't want people unjustly villifying a better value than usual for incredibly petty reasons.
http://m.imgur.com/a/0qPA4
>>320047757
Because forced memes.
Because I want to buy an Amiibo but every game they're compatible with utilizes them in a fucking retarded fashion.
I want to be able to play as my Amiibo with their own unique powers or something.
Not just get a fucking reskin.
>>320054781
SONY WINS AGAIN!
HOW DO THEY DO IT?
honestly, it's completely understandable. we're just unable to compete with the behemoths of the gaming industry.
sony... microsoft.... I shouldnt be saying this, but you guys won.
Nintendo isn't in the greatest spot right now. And here on 4chan, neither side is right. I still don't get where this 4chan is a bunch of Nintendo fans comes from. I mean, sure there's hype in Nintendo-centric threads (when they aren't being shitposted in) but I see so many more threads fellating Sony and PC over anything else.
>>320057676
>So do I
But you're ok with paying extra in this case?
>better value than usual
And it could be even better
>petty reasons
What petty reasons? We are losing out so they can make money, that's a fact.
>>320047757
Hardware is overpriced for what it is (Wii U especially)
Constantly lowballing hardware (their handhelds especially, the 3DS is fucking 240p with garbage screens in 2015)
Games NEVER go down in price despite being years old
Worst censorship in the industry, unapologetic at that.
I don't hate them, but my love for their output is no longer unwavering.
The big thing that soured me was the physical DLC that is Amiibos. And hearing from Takeda and the new CEO that they plan on EXPANDING on that with the next platform makes me groan.
Those little figures likely cost them 1 cent to make and ship, but they sell them for several times that amount.
It doesn't make games better and is the epitome of the "jewry" that /v/ goes on about. And I thought her peripheral bullshit from back in the day was bad.
>>320054781
>IF pulling out
NO MORE NEPTUNIA FOR PS4. IT WILL BE CANCELLED SREENCAP THIS POST
>>320047757
/v/ is literally nintendoGAF
what the hell are you talking about?
>>320053739
>They don't even compete with Sony anymore, they CAN'T compete with them
Do you seriously buy this shit? That a company with nearly 10x Sony's worth and credit rating can't fucking compete with Sony? Especially when Sony went into this holiday season with no exclusives on low-end hardware from 2012?
>>320059207
Compared to Nintendo's low-end hardware from 2006?
>>320047757
Because they turned evil, began jewing like no tomorrow, began doing DLC worse than any other in the industries history and began other anti-consumer shit like region locking and censorship.
They became as bad as EA, that's why.
>>320059498
DLC is just extra content added as afterthoughts. You can play and complete the game 100% without them.
But yeah, we need to talk with Nintendo about region-locks and censorships.
>>320059207
heres your reply
>>320060163
And 20 years ago that content would be free included with the game, why should it not be now?
And no, locking several characters or anything behind toys that sell out in hours is not acceptable. Their DLC shit is why I dropped them, not the censorship or region locking. Fuck anyone who apologizes for shit like "buy hyrule warriors again if you want new character lol" and "pay 60 bucks for a Lucina amiibo if you want a new character in project steam"
>>320052693
how was this footage fake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e1vJrEJhBY
>>320047757
/v/ hates everything at the surface.
>>320048341
>rash will never cockslap you with his mighty toad dick
why live
>>320060563
aside from code name steam which other games lock gameplay content with amibos?
>>320047848
Yep pretty much this.
Hating indiscriminately.
It's actually pretty liberating in a way
>>320060563
>And 20 years ago that content would be free included with the game, why should it not be now?
But it isn't. Do they allow updates and new content 20 years ago after they released a game? Of course not, there's no way back then.
You claim that the DLC content is part of the original content but it isn't. Its an extra, something that isn't actually part of the game but is sold as something to add more to your game.
>>320060979
Mario Maker
Sony bros hate everything and are vocal as fuck. Doesnt affect me much, I generally just kinda go with the flow, but they're definitely the ones playing up to a lot of the "controversies" right now. Painfully so.
>>320061124
Most of the functionality is day 1 stuff, some is even day -20 as they are released before the game is even out. Amiibo stuff and most of what nintendo advertises is advertised before the game is out, and all amiibo simply unlocks things already on disc.
>>320061132
anything else?
>>320061124
If it's released at the exact same time, why can't it be in the game? This is like having pickles on a hamburger for 40 years then saying "NO, PICKLES ARE EXTRA ON A HAMBURGER"
Why do you defend having to pay hundreds of dollars for a full game? Most nintendo games cost more than a fucking PS4 after you buy all the DLC
>>320060979
Mario Party 10
Modern Nintendo has its ups and downs. They still put out some solid games every now and then. I love the Wii U but I expected much more. In a way, you can't blame Nintendo for not putting games on a system not many people bought though. That being said, it still has more games than the Xbox One and PS4, but I want something SNES tier. I am waiting for Nintendo's next top notch console, and it's probably never going to happen.
I want to see them try something new. Not just put out 3 or 4 Mario games, and a Zelda game. Yeah yeah, Splatoon. That's one fucking game. That's one new thing they tried. This is a big problem with Neo-Nintendo fans; old Nintendo fans and neutral parties will say they want new / better games out of Nintendo, then the Neo-Nintendo fans come in and force this idea that we just have to accept what Nintendo has already done and not expect more and better out of them. I want a new 2D Metroid, with modern 3D graphics, yet in the style of Super Metroid. I want a new home console Paper Mario game. A real one; a proper RPG. None of this Super Paper Mario shit. None of this "Sticker Star" shit. I want Kirby Air Ride 2.
The NX is setting itself up for failure. They are abandoning their core audience again, in favor of trying to cater to dudebros. What they don't understand is that they will never rid themselves of their "kiddy" image in these peoples' minds; they simply need to see Sony and Microsoft fans as not part of their potential audience, but instead, superficial dudebros who judge games solely by graphics, yet are too ignorant to build a PC. They need to keep the fun gimmicks they come up with going, instead of trying to make a traditional console. And on top of that it's gonna be one of those awkward in-between-gens consoles, so nobody will develop for it; they will hold out for the next Sony and Microsoft consoles. Things are looking grim for Nintendo.
>>320061392
Hyrule warriors, splatoon unlocks new level challenges which lengthens the games single player by a ton, in a game that already was content light at release. Mario party 10, the animal crossing amiibo shit.
There's more. If you want an entire list I can go find one for you. Lots of nintendo games give you perks, character unlocks, feature unlocks etc for amiibo.
>>320061528
didn't that game come with the amibo for it though?
>>320048721
Its fine because its not.>>320048543 is just being a fag.
>>320049145
Also it is not fair to compare a series that is 100x better to FE.
>>320061613
You need more amiibos than the one.
>>320061609
isnt the hyrule warriors stuff restricted to rubees or was there more to it?
>>320061489
>If it's released at the exact same time, why can't it be in the game? This is like having pickles on a hamburger for 40 years then saying "NO, PICKLES ARE EXTRA ON A HAMBURGER"
Wrong analogy. You pay extra for more pickle and more onions and probably another patty.
That's DLC. More content that you can put on a already complete game by updating/downloading said extra content.
>Most nintendo games cost more than a fucking PS4 after you buy all the DLC
Ok now you're baiting: A PS4 cost 3x more than a Ninty game.
>>320061547
Also, Zelda U is inspired from Skyrim. Remember, Skyrim? You know, that shitty game from 2011 all the dudebros said was the best game of all time and now nobody talks about it or plays it anymore? Yeah. That one.
One of Nintendo's hugest problems is not catering to their long time fans; people who have been with them since the NES - And instead, choosing to cater to Sony and Microsoft fans who just see them as a kiddy company. If they quit trying to appease these people they would be far better off. It's like trying to appease feminists. You give them what they want and they just call it problematic and make up 10 extra problems.
This should be basic common sense for any company. A golden rule if you will - Cater to people who will actually buy your game and are actual fans of your work. Do not try to cater to people who cannot under any circumstance be satisfied and will just complain. Fans over WHINERS.
>>320061386
>all amiibo simply unlocks things already on disc
Then with a hack you can probably unlock it without using an Amiibo. We just have no idea on how to do it yet.
>>320047757
Because Nintendo becoming a monster worst than apple... that's why.
>>320061547
>They are abandoning their core audience again, in favor of trying to cater to dudebros
Are they really?
>>320061820
No, it unlocked a new weapon. And in a dynasty warriors game thatg is essentially a new character
>>320061864
>he thinks amiibos sell for MSRP
AHAHAHAHA
The fucking FE amiibos still go for like 30-40 each. If you wanted all characters in codename steam that's 40+ x 4, plus the game. Pretty expensive dlc. Most PS4, PC games etc charge like 3-6 bucks for a character but ninty is special and we need to pony up the cost of a game for their special DLC.
You can argue DLC is acceptable, but it isn't and never will be for me and I will bitch about it forever. Even still, other companies do DLC better. Nintendo simply pushed a worse idea of DLC. Day 1 DLC you have to hunt for and costs as much as a full season pass for other systems.
>>320062031
>Then with a hack you can probably unlock it without using an Amiibo. We just have no idea on how to do it yet.
This is true. However, as someone who bought a couple Amiibos, I think the reason people buy them is not for the "physical DLC", but because we just like to have cool figures of characters we like.
I hate the way people paint Amiibos as some sort of scam. It's actually insulting to the intelligence of anyone who buys an Amiibo. It's like saying we don't know what we're buying and we can't control ourselves.
>>320051046
>Multiple, and similar, sequels on a single generation
Isn't it rehash, anon?
>>320062110
I think so. Why else would they be trying to make a standard console again? Just some shitty console stronger than the PS4 and Xbox One? It's useless. People who buy consoles for their power are idiots anyway.
>>320048156
So NX is ok for you, pal? Do you shit money? Do you like a company that things that we have a fucking duck that can lay gold eggs?
>>320062031
Pretty sure china has something like this already. Allows you to download and store amiibo data and use it as an unlock
>>320062202
Then there's no reason to attach said content to them if the selling point is just fanboys wanting Ness figures. At the end, it is still nintendos fault for fucking people over like that.
The argument of amiibo fans is
>BUT NO ONE ACTUALLY WANTED THE CONTENT!
No nigga, I do want the content. I'm just not spending 50+ dollars for a single character. And as such will NEVER again buy a nintendo product because amiibo makes EA look good.
>>320062334
The content is usually just some little bonus content, or basically a cheatcode to help you through a level or something. I don't even see it as "content", just as a bonus for buying an amiibo. It's not like they're hiding entire chunks of a game behind amiibos or anything, just useless little bonus knickknacks.
>>320062202
No one would have an issue if nintendo offered the amiibo content on the eshop. If the main point of amiibo is not the content, then why do they refuse to do this? Why chase away all goodwill you built up over 30 years?
>>320062309
So, no gimmicks?
Sounds like a good thing to me.
>>320062324
the nx will be released in 2016 so that's fine since its been 4 years and the wii u is still using last gen hardware with no chance for third party support
>>320062475
So, characters are not content? Levels are not content? Design elements in mario maker are not content. What is content in a game then?
The dictionary classifies that as content, so I am unsure what you consider all these things
>>320062491
Then it would be useless microtransaction DLC, and we wouldn't get cool figures.
>>320047757
onry grorious nippon get uncensored games
>>320062579
>So, characters are not content?
So you consider playing Mario Maker as pikmin, and playing as Mario to be a wildly different experience? You're acting like they hide entire Smash characters behind amiibos or something.
>>320062674
western games are censored all the time in japan
>>320049651
Nah, actually GC and GBA generation had some challenging games. The problem is that Nintendo is taking the wrong path to sell their games
>>320062491
I think the point of amiibos are just figurines. The little bonuses you get when you buy one is just that: bonuses.
In short the game's already complete. If you buy Amiibos you just get a little more extra.
Plus I think Amiibos are more practical: Ninty will release more content that you can unlock win an amiibo up to 5 or 7 years from now. That's getting more than your money's worth.
>>320062535
It's not. The dudebros won't buy their console, and nobody will want to develop for it because no gimmicks = no interesting or unique things that differentiate them from Sony and Microsoft.
They will release the NX, then a year later the next Sony and Microsoft consoles will come out, and all the devs will hold out for those consoles instead. And on top of that there will be pricecuts on the PS4 and Xbox One, making them more attractive options to dudebros than the NX.
They should have just made good games that their long time fans would appreciate and not tried to cater to the dudebros. It's not the fucking end of Nintendo or anything, but it's sad knowing we'll have to wait another 10 years or so before Nintendo POSSIBLY bothers making some good games again.
>>320062651
Why? No one buys the figures for the dlc, and forcing people to buy rare toys for dlc is bullshit, especially since they cost so much. But I guess nintendrones will defend anything that company does. You have your answer as to why people hate them now, though.
>>320056569
Excuse my understanding, but I'm not saying how I have a problem with them. I just mentioned them for the original poster as how Nintendo already been using the splitting trick since Pokémon, when the original poster I replied to is complaining about Fates being split.
>>320062761
>I know nothing about what I am arguing
Okay, then I guess we are done.
FYI The mario anniversary amiibo unlocks about 10 different things including a unique gameplay element that you cannot get any other way. This is objectively content, you cannot change the meaning of the word to defend your soulless JapanesEA
>>320063062
>Why? No one buys the figures for the dlc
Exactly
>and forcing people to buy rare toys for dlc is bullshit
But nobody buys them for the DLC
>especially since they cost so much.
$10?
>But I guess nintendrones will defend anything that company does. You have your answer as to why people hate them now, though.
Your reasoning is piss poor and the way you say "wahh Nintendo fans will defend anything Nintendo does" is just pathetic. Your criticisms are bad so yeah I find it easier to defend Nintendo than to accept your shitty arguments.
>>320047757
Mods allowed Nintendo fanboys to run riot for too long, now we have reached the mass-backlash to that.
>>320063010
Yeah, because devs came running to the Wii U, right?
>>320063161
>>I know nothing about what I am arguing
>Okay, then I guess we are done.
Because I proved you wrong? Ok
>10 different things
>a unique gameplay element
Without even knowing or caring about what they are, it's probably like 10 "different" characters (because there's such a big difference between playing as mega man, samus, isabelle, etc.) and something useless that you don't really need.
>>320063368
it would take too much time to make ports for the wii u since the new games need stronger hardwar
>>320047757
I never liked them. I played pokemon and kirby as a kid but that's it. I hate how they moneyhat developers and fuck over everyone for their own success. If nintendo didn't exist I would be much happier. Every gen I'm forced to buy their hardware because they buy exclusivity. I would love it if I didn't have to spend $500 on a 3ds and wiiu for a few games that would be identical or better on every other platform.
>>320047757
Nintendo changed a lot over the years. They kinda suck now. I grew up playing nintendo games in 1990 until I finally switched over to pc/ps3 in 2010.
Nintendo games are 80$ where i live and even months after they don't seem to ever go down. I don't want to spend 100$ for the new xenoblade or mario
>>320059207
Nintendo could easily slap a 980 Ti and 16GB memory into the NX, absorb the losses per unit for several years.
In one fell swoop they'll have better hardware than current AND next gen consoles.
Developers would have no choice but to make games for it.
>>320063368
So because they didn't come running to the Wii U, that means they'll come running to the NX? Uh, ok, if you say so. They won't though.
I like how the entire basis of your argument is that the Wii U didn't attract many third party devs, so for some reason, that means the NX will? What exactly makes it an attractive console for them to develop for exactly?
>>320063637
Interesting point. I don't think they'd have to go that overkill, but they refuse to sell at a lose. For a company that makes most of its money in software, that seems incredibly short sighted
>>320063623
Seriously, Nintendo games dont fucking drop in price.
I love the quality, but they have huge gaps between each and they cost an arm and a leg.
>>320062063
That's such bullshit. Calm the fuck down.
>>320063473
>you don't NEED that content
Technically you don't need anything. There for they can sell you an empty box.
>>320063781
And then I just wouldn't buy it. You're proving my point.
>>320063637
Developers follow the audience, not the hardware. There's no point in developing for nx because the audience is already invested in ps4 and vita. At best they'll get scrap ports like pc does. Nobody will switch, especially not mid gen. Consumers don't want yet another $400 nintendo box. Nintendo needs to die, they're too out of touch with reality.
>>320062960
>the game is already complete
Not the case, and if you remove features that are on disc to be amiibo content the game is incomplete. I am sorry, but this is the reality of amiibos and demanding others accept nintendos practices because of your own ignorance of the product is unacceptable.
>>320063241
Do you work for nintendo? Amiibos have cost way abover MSRP since release brosef. Some are still 50 USD. Why is that okay for DLC? here, name me one other game in history with 50 dollar DLC like that outside of like TRAINSIM
>>320047757
Because /v/ is SonyGAF and sonyggers hate PC, Nintendo, Xbox, Sega Saturn, 3DS, and the ZX Spectrum
>>320063748
Exactly, they need to take more risks on the hardware power front.
No one is expecting Nintendo to launch something like what I mentioned, which is EXACTLY what the market needs. Suddenly they have the best hardware which means EA, Ubisoft, Activision, 2K have no excuse not to port.
Suddenly their games look DRASTICALLY better than every other game on the market... while having the signature Nintendo quality.
That would force Sony and Microsoft to kill off their consoles early, eat heavy losses, and try to match it.
>>320063759
Agreed. I would actually support Nintendo if there games were not 50$ for the 3ds and 80$ for the wii u
>>320063241
>I accept getting jewed out of content and having to pay hundreds for what would have cost me a quarter of that 10 years ago
Good goyim. Make sure to buy the special zelda character amiibos for the full game.
>>320063857
And that's what's happening here. People are upset that Nintendo is fucking its consumers over so they aren't buying the product. I don't necessarily care if you are an idiot and buy into their terrible tactics. I won't be and neither will I be bullied into buying or accepting the shit, short of a loaded gun being pointed at my head. I will always call out amiibos bullshit because it makes nintendo worse than EA to me.
>>320063928
>/v/
>SonyGAF
>every Sony thread is shitposted
...
>>320063924
>50 dollar DLC
I thought people didn't buy them for the DLC? How am I supposed to replace reality with your clearly superior yet bullshit arguments if you contradict yourself like this? It's kinda hard to get the doublethink flowing properly when you make such flagrant and indefensible contradictions.
>>320063928
/v/ is more like NintendoGAF or PCgaf you idiot
>>320049821
Lack of 3rd party games has been an issue since the N64. It's the reason Europe has been Sony's market since the PS1.
>N64
>388 games
>85 Japan exclusive
>50 North America exclusive
>PS1
>2355 games
>>320063876
If they counter low end hardware, low end quality machines like the PS4/XB1 with powerful hardware and excellent games, they WILL win.
Developers follow power.
>>320063686
No, dumbass. You claimed that because there were no gimmicks, that devs wouldn't want to do anything with it, and I pointed out that gimmicks don't mean shit to them.
>>320064163
>>320064243
Hi sonyggers
>>320063928
So all those Sony threads last week that were full of people posting
>better on PC
>$400 0 games
>30 million people play no games
etc... are just my imagination
Okay.
>>320047757
I love nintendo.
I fucking hate Nintendrones that don't want to see their bullshit
>>320064001
Yeah, I really can't justify any more 3DS or Wii U game purchases. $50 for a 3DS game is absurd, Wii U is a dead machine, so that would be a waste of money.
>>320064127
>People are upset that Nintendo is fucking its consumers over so they aren't buying the product.
Wrong. Amiibos are extremely successful. People who don't even own Wii Us buy amiibos because they're cool.
>I will always call out amiibos bullshit because it makes nintendo worse than EA to me.
Nintendo making cool figures for people to enjoy makes them worse than EA. Ok
>>320063924
>Not the case, and if you remove features that are on disc to be amiibo content the game is incomplete.
The game is incomplete if a DLC or amiibo is needed to 100% a game.
But it isn't so sorry. Your point is moot.
I was happy to defend nintendo until they censored my potato
>>320047757
Because they make mediocre games now on shit hardware. The only saving graces are the games are usually well polished and have couch play (at the expense of good online). The wii u might as well be called mediocre sequel: the console. It's pretty sad
>>320047757
/v/ is full of kids around 12 or 13, you know, the period where they loathe anything even remotely related to childhood. Once they grow up they'll appreciate Nintendo again
>>320064550
>$50 for a 3DS game is absurd
Isn't that Atlus' price tag rather than Ninty?
>>320064332
You're just not thinking. They give unique options for the developers to use. The NX won't be stronger than the next Sony and Microsoft consoles.
So hm, if a console doesn't have any unique properties to it, and if it is weaker than the competition, guess which consoles will and won't get developed for?
>>320064432
>imfuckingplying every Xbox and Nintendo thread isn't shitposted to death by Sonyggers
If you can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen
>>320064789
Where i am nearly every new 3ds game is 50$ and almost every new wii u game is 80$
>>320064868
You forget: They patented upgradable consoles.
They'll use that to jack up NX's power, I bet.
>>320064780
On the contrary myself and my friends are fed up with watching Nintendo make the same fuckups generation after generation of console and refuse to change. Then blame poor sales on their customer base.
>>320059207
Name?
>>320064868
Gimmick or no gimmick, if the hardware is underpowered compared to the competition, then the games won't come.
>>320065110
Why would they do that now? What a useless and uninteresting gimmick.
>>320065171
Happy 13th birthday anon
>>320065217
Exactly. And the dudebros aren't going to buy it anyway. They need to quit trying to appeal to these people.
>>320065267
Because it's more practical like PC gaming.
You just change parts when the next gen comes along.
>>320065328
We're all 25-26 and grew up on Nintendo, judging from your shitposting though I'm going to guess you're 15.
>>320065467
>/v/
>25-26
>>320065369
I don't see why you think they'll do this. They haven't done this since the N64.
The NX is just going to be a useless, weak console, advertised as being really powerful - Then Sony and Microsoft will just do pricecuts on their gen 8 consoles, and release their next consoles, specifically designed to be more powerful than the NX. No devs will be interested in developing for the NX on top of that, so it will have no games. And what about that stupid "cloud processing" gimmick it's rumored to have? Useless, shitty console. This is going to be worse than the Virtual Boy. Mark my words. I don't know what makes them think it will sell better than the Wii U.
>>320047757
I've always been a Sonyfriend but I don't hate Nintendo despite what /v/ says about us
I just hate their godawful fanbase
>>320065348
I'm still not seeing how no gimmicks = catering to dudebros.
The way I see it, devs would be more likely to make a game for something without a gimmick, because to them, the gimmick is just an obstacle they have to work around.
>>320065467
>all 25-26
what a raging faggot
>>320065768
>I'm still not seeing how no gimmicks = catering to dudebros.
Because it makes it a useless, generic console with no advantages over PC gaming - Just like the PS4 and Xbox One. These consoles just create paywalls to games like Bloodborne. At least the Wii U pad is something unique to the Wii U.
>the gimmick is just an obstacle they have to work around.
>we don't like the Wii U pad
>let's just ignore it and make it so you play the game with the Wii U pro controller
That was hard. Alternatively, they could use the Wii U pad for maps, menus, etc. similar to how Zelda games do. So it literally just gives them another option.
>>320065467
>We're all 25-26 and grew up on Nintendo
Projecting much?
>>320065660
>Then Sony and Microsoft will just do pricecuts on their gen 8 consoles
They won't. They'll lose profit. They're trying to compete with a more powerful console they'll have to have better hardware, which will cost money.
In contrast when the more powerful consoles comes along, Ninty will sell less costing parts that can boost an already powerful system. It WILL cost more, but not so for people who doesn't want it to. It's their decision.
When the next games comes along and people want it all they have to do is upgrade NX rather than buy a new console. Cheaper in the long run.
>>320066054
>projecting much
Reading comprehension much?
>>320064740
WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU SAY?!
>>320047757
Because there are a lot of PC-only cūckolds on this board
>>320066052
So by your logic, every Nintendo system prior to the Wii is useless and generic?
>>320066138
>They won't. They'll lose profit. They're trying to compete with a more powerful console they'll have to have better hardware, which will cost money.
Guess that's why they do it every gen and it's a very predictable and standard move for them to make. Not that Sony is exactly the best at making money or anything - Even if it's a bad decision, they'll still fucking do it.
>In contrast when the more powerful consoles comes along, Ninty will sell less costing parts that can boost an already powerful system. It WILL cost more, but not so for people who doesn't want it to. It's their decision.
>When the next games comes along and people want it all they have to do is upgrade NX rather than buy a new console. Cheaper in the long run.
Everything you're saying is based on something you made up - That the NX will be upgradable. They aren't going to bother taking advantage of this, people will just see it as silly and useless.
>>320066416
>Everything you're saying is based on something you made up - That the NX will be upgradable
I don't think that you'll just go and patent something without a reason unless you're an obnoxious patent troll.
>>320066371
There are some strong differences between gen 7 consoles and onward, and everything prior to that. Gens 3 and 4, Nintendo dominated. They just made good consoles with good games. There were no DVD players, there was no netflix, there was no console web browser. The only way to make those consoles good was to make more and better games than the competition - And they did. Gen 5, the N64 was stronger than the PS1 and 3D gaming became a big thing. So they didn't need a gimmick; the appeal was inherent and obvious. And gen 6, the gamecube had a unique library of games; stuff you just didn't see elsewhere, like Melee, Super Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, Kirby Air Ride, etc.
They can't rely on making a console with good or unique games anymore, because that's not what the dudebros are buying. That's my entire point. That's why they need to stop catering to these people.
>>320066576
They've patented plenty of shit and not used it before, and on top of that they haven't taken advantage of this since the N64. So random that you think they would just do it again suddenly for no real good reason.
>>320047757
because PC master race. why spend $300+ on a plastic box when you already have a computer that's 20 times more powerful?
Console developers feed off of ignorance.
>>320067085
>So random that you think they would just do it again suddenly for no real good reason.
Well Iwata died. There's a good reason they'll do it now.
>>320067191
>Well Iwata died. There's a good reason they'll do it now.
Some guy died, so let's put a useless gimmick in our console? Makes perfect sense
>>320067256
I meant they have a new leader with probably different ideas.
>>320048990
>Metroid fanbase
>good
You had me up until that point.
>>320066961
But they never really catered to them. They still make unique games that you can't find anywhere else, just like they always have.
Granted, most of them recently have been mediocre to shit. They're still nothing you can find on Steam or the PS4.
>>320047757
I don't hate them I just hate what they're doing right now just look at this entire year.
2015 will be forever remembered as Nintendo's year of JUST.
>>320047757
>add-on content
>>320047757
>>320064305
This has never happened.
>nintendo gets better hardware
>put in less impressive games for it
really? you make a 3d mario with no exploration and strip mario kart of it's modes?
good job, guys.
>>320067704
>But they never really catered to them.
They sacrificed the 2D Metroid games, to make the shitty Prime series - A sad attempt to tell the Sony and Microsoft audience that they can make a "hardcore", "mature", "realistic" FPS. To which the Sony and Microsoft fans did not care, and didn't buy it. And now we don't get 2D Metroid games anymore, and never will again after Other M - The deliberate flop just so people would have an excuse to say "WAHH, JUST MAKE PRIME GAMES INSTEAD. DON'T DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT."
And now Zelda U is based on Skyrim - One of the shittiest games I've ever played. Are the Skyrim dudebros impressed? Fuckin' nope. They don't care. They still see Nintendo as the kiddy company, so they ruined another one of my favorite series, trying to appeal to people who aren't even part of their potential demographic.
>They still make unique games that you can't find anywhere else, just like they always have.
And that's why the Wii U didn't sell well. Good and / or unique games aren't cutting it. They either need to be strong (which is stupid; only stupid people buy consoles for power) or have a good gimmick. They did good with the Wii and Wii U by having a good gimmick, but that doesn't necessarily ensure that a console will sell well; rather it is their only valid option, and their only way of setting their console apart from the competition, because of the nature of Nintendo. Think about it. Nintendo releases first, so Sony and Microsoft can simply analyze their console and release a console stronger than it a bit later, and do a pricecut on their other consoles, making them more attractive options. Devs will hold out to develop for their consoles instead of Nintendo's, as most devs want to go after the dudebro audience.
It won't have any games, it won't get any games because nobody will bother developing for it, it won't be stronger technologically, it doesn't have an (interesting) gimmick, and they abandoned their core fans for dudebros.
>>320047757
- kiddieshit
- rehash shit
- region lock
- underpowered consoles
- censored NoA releases
>>320050357
>Caring about other people who care about the people who are caring about people caring about fanbases
Autism is real.
>>320068653
>Metroid Prime was made specifically to cater to dudebros
Or maybe they just wanted to make a 3D Metroid? Keep in mind this was 2002. Nintendo wasn't in 100% nostalgia mode, and they saw no reason to make a 2D game on the GCN when they could just make one for the GBA (which they did.) Don't get me wrong, I think a new 2D Metroid would be nice, but I don't think dudebros brought Prime into existence.
Besides, how would you make a 3D Metroid?
>Zelda U is based on Skyrim
I haven't played Skyrim, but are you talking about the open world thing? Aren't they all "open world" in a sense?
>
It won't have any games, it won't get any games because nobody will bother developing for it, it won't be stronger technologically, it doesn't have an (interesting) gimmick, and they abandoned their core fans for dudebros.
They've been doing that since the Wii. Minus the gimmick part.
>>320069827
>Or maybe they just wanted to make a 3D Metroid?
Nah. Consider the timing. This was the beginning of the FPS rehash era, and Halo started to become a thing around this time. They wanted to show Sony and Microsoft fans that they could make a "mature" game too, for the "big boys".
>Besides, how would you make a 3D Metroid?
Seems like a stupid idea. I wouldn't do it at all. What they should do is make another game like Super Metroid, and simply have 3D visuals; the game still plays on a 2D plane. Of course, this is not a genuine suggestion of what they should do as a company, because again, people aren't buying good / unique games. This is just an idea for a good game they could make.
>I haven't played Skyrim, but are you talking about the open world thing? Aren't they all "open world" in a sense?
They explicitly said that Zelda U was heavily inspired by Skyrim. Look it up.
>They've been doing that since the Wii. Minus the gimmick part.
Well, I don't even know what to say to this, other than I wish they'd stop fucking doing that and make something good.
>>320047757
Nintendo deserves only hate
Don't get triggered on internet lol
>>320063140
Pokemon is okay because it's the same game anyway and getting exclusive pokemon is trivial nowadays
Zelda is okay because they were completely games that shared the same system and they were 10/10 games
Fire Emblem is NOT okay because you're paying through the nose for ~20 maps or so, some of which they reuse for the other version (you just start on the opposite side), many importers report that it fails to live up to its predecessors, they're shamelessly pandering to otaku-shit while NoA will just shit out another mediocre localization that will fail to expand on the game in any meaningful way, and make sure that the game doesn't satisfy anyone. AND we already have a precedent in branching paths that didn't involve paying more money (SS).
>>320070785
There's nothing inherently wrong with "mature" games. Not everything needs to be rainbows and teddy bears. I will admit, the only 2D Metroid I've played was the NES game, but that what I have seen of Super doesn't seem any less "dark" than Prime.
As for Zelda, if it makes you feel any better, I doubt it will be as buggy as a typical Bethesda game.
>>320071824
that *and what I have seen
>>320047757
It's a meme.
/thread.
>>320071824
>There's nothing inherently wrong with "mature" games. Not everything needs to be rainbows and teddy bears.
This isn't the case, it's the opposite. It's that there's an over representation of "mature" games, and great games get discarded for not having the same generic faux-realistic art style that almost every modern FPS game has.
I mean, if a JRPG or something comes out, it gets held to the standard as generic western FPS rehash trash. It's stupid. It gets criticized for not being like every other generic game with the same old shitty art style. We're not allowed to have anything unique anymore.
>As for Zelda, if it makes you feel any better, I doubt it will be as buggy as a typical Bethesda game.
Eh. That's what I EXPECT out of a game. I EXPECT it to work properly. I didn't lower my standards to Bethesda level like all the dudebros did.
>>320071762
The game's not even out in US and you already know it's bad? Don't you think it's better playing and then share your experiences instead the others's?
