So this is an era where power armor can be built and maintained, physical teleporters can be reverse engineers, plasma can be condensed into weaponry, and airships are built and serviced.
But people are still paying for things with Bottlecaps.
Shittiest thought out franchises thread
Fuck off op bethesda does no wrong
>Just Cause 3 has graphical glitches and fps glitches at launch
>WOW JUST CAUSE FUCKING SUCKS
>Fallout 4 has bugs and glitches at launch
>Mm whatever it's expected by bethsda 9/10 game. Teleporting around is a fun glitch anyways xd
>>319911950
>But people are still paying for things with Bottlecaps.
Probably because there's no central bank, or government in general.
Fucking moron.
>>319913930
but why on the East Coast ? on the west coast it made sense because it was backed by gold, and couldn't be recreated. it's not backed by anything on the east coast , they're just bottle caps ,they're useless.
>>319914171
>Caps become the de facto currency in the west for whatever reason
>As people start traveling around, they bring whatever they're using for currency with them
>Caps become the most common currency because of reasons
Whew, that was hard to figure out.
NCR and Caesar's Legion both have their own currency. Caps are just what you use wherever there isn't any sort of central government, like the Commonwealth and New Vegas.
>>319913930
Yep. Which means any faction with metalsmithing ability has infinite money.
So fucking all of them except Minutemen.
What's the point of currency again?
Please, some Bethesdrone come in here and tell me how prewar metals can't be duplicated by societies with laser rifles and better-than-human androids?
>>319915494
i think there's like a weird print thing on the bottlecaps which means they can't really be duplicated
there's plenty of retarded shit, even in the old fallouts. bottlecaps are stupid but nowhere near as stupid as most of the stuff in fallout 2
You can pay for things with pressed legion gold or NCR tender, and pre-war money still has value.
>>319915413
Except supposedly you can't get from the West Coast to the East Coast without advanced technology like the BoS has
>>319915413
>just what you use whenever there isn't any sort of central government
Caesar's isn't any more a central government than the brotherhood, and I pay for my shit on the Prydwen with caps.
It's a moot argument. The groups that make their own money use funny money the same as cap peddlers. They just add a layer of bullshit to the equation to have more control over their own economies.
If you don't like it you go anywhere else and pay for caps. Something any post-war tech-abled power can create at will.
There IS a central currency in Fallout, and it's Caps. And that's horseshit.
Honestly, they should just use a simple barter system. Having currency without any regulating body is pretty dumb.
>screws are rare and useful in a barter and trade society
>bottle caps are plentiful, found everywhere and have no function
I just hate Fallout, the whole 50s motif is moronic
>>319913930
Central banks and governments back currency with something. The whole reason people started using caps on the west coast is because a group of traders started backing them with water. It makes no sense for people on the east coast to use a non backed currency "just because" though.
>>319915494
Minutemen can do it too.
The whole system is retarded beyond measure. Even if they back it with water, the inflation from "counterfeit" surplus will bottom out the economy with every group funneling unbacked caps into the system.
>>319915724
I've never understood the NCR money
Did they just print new money? Why not use pre-war dollars?
>>319918463
Because pre-war dollars are as easy to scavenge as bottle caps.
>>319918463
Are you an idiot?
>>319918463
Too easy for people to bring in outside currency the NCR didn't print or issue and having their OC money gives them more legitimacy
>>319915908
>Caesar's isn't any more a central government than the brotherhood
hehe
In fo2 people dont use caps anymore. They joke about how people used to trade with them.
>>319912359
just cause 2 was reasonably bug free and optimized so it is a disappointment to see them fuck up something that was ok.
Bethesda has always been writing code with their arses and ever since fallout 3 not giving fucks anymore about patching so it is expected.
Anyway apples & oranges, fine b8 and all that stuff.
Do you retards really think that making bottle caps like the ones used is really that simple?. What about the seals, what about the print on the cap. Are you guys really that dense?
>getting salty over something as trivial as bottlecaps in a video game
wew lads
>>319919214
That's not the point people are making.
Bottlecaps have no inherent value. They aren't made of a valuable material, they can't be repurposed or even used to reseal bottles, and there's no government backing them.
pls guys tell me that these airships are bethesda made
one fucking rocket would take this slow piece of shit down I wonder why the instiute did not shoot that flying target the instant it popped on the radar
>>319919616
which is why the NCR made their own paper money that they use that they back. It's not worth as much as legionary currency though.
>>319919616
There's a limited amount of caps. They probably collected, marked and then set them as currency. You say they can be gotten through scavenging... well, yeah. But how many are you gonna get?, 50 max?. That's chump change in contrast to the dangers of the wasteland.
They are backed by the water merchants of the hub... did you play fallout?
>>319911950
So this is an era where tanks can be built and maintained, nuclear weapons can be reverse engineered, lasers can be condensed into weaponry, and F-22 jets are built and serviced.
But people are still paying for things with paper money.
Shittiest thought out universe thread.
>>319920096
hub exploded into treats, legion uses their own coins and NCR used printed money.
East coast using bottlecaps makes no sense, like a lot of things. As does the use of bottlecaps in fallout 2.
>>319911950
>paying for things with bottlecaps
what's wrong with precious metals like gold and silver?
this is a retarded economy.
>>319920373
except it's very difficult to counterfeit paper money while it is very easy to counterfeit little tin caps
Shittiest thought out shitposter thread.
>>319920381
Hub. Not water merchants.
Water, especially clean water is something very valuable, you cant live without it and everyone needs it. That is why bottle caps are so valuable, they are the coin used to buy something which is vital.
Do you think water merchants are gonna take a currency that doesn't favour them?. They control the price of bottle caps.
>>319920373
Actually, most people use digital money now.
>>319911950
Thank Bethesda for that m8. The West Coast (i.e, competent developer land) has civilisation with functioning goverment and paper money now.
>>319920381
>As does the use of bottlecaps in fallout 2.
they dont use caps in fallout 2
>>319919301
>build your shitty universe around deepest wasteland lore and pop off at its elegance in interviews
>"i-it's just suspension of disbelief guise! can't you just have fun!?"
wew indeed
>>319911950
The worst is when you go to the synth trader in the Institute, and he still accepts caps.
Why the fuck would this isolated utopian society use fucking caps as a currency.
>>319920838
/thread
Play fallout 1 for fucks sake
Why didn't you just use the crafting tables to make caps in FO4?
They can even be lazy about it and show the addmoney console command in the corner of the screen when you do, Bethesda style.
>>319921574
Because those caps can be exchanged for water, dumbass
>>319920838
>Have robot waifus
>worried about water merchants
same reason why there's no organized raider groups, people are still scrounging up shit from the old world, and salvaging pristine pre-war stuff.
>>319921687
>>319921785
>le water backed niggers
Several people have already said that whole system is fucking pointless when people can make their own bottlecaps. Are you REALLY that dense? Read an economics book for high schoolers.
>>319911950
bullets should be the form of currency desu
it would change the way you think of every shot you fire
>>319921785
>institute pays for water
have you ever been inside the institute?
>>319921917
Why not make you own money at home then
>2015
>not being a chillionare
That's how fucking stupid you sound
>>319922083
Oh gee, why would someone from south America buy American dollars even though that's not their currency?
Caps on the east coast are retarded, but not nearly as much of an issue as the fact that there are approximately 1000 raiders per settler producing anything of value.
ITT: people who dont know about the Tinkerbell effect.
Caps are used as currency because people all accept that they have value. People accept that they have value because the writers decided it was so. getting all autistic and wondering why a video game didnt attempt to create dozens of fucking currencies instead of picking a simple option is retarded.
TL:DR its a video game
>>319922208
you miss the point
they don't need the caps
honestly tell me for what do they need caps what are they going to buy with it that they don't already produce?
>>319911950
How about bringing up the fact that the only music played has to be over 300 years old?
>>319922476
Investment
Why would euros take American dollars?, why do japs exchange other coins for yen even though they have no use for that currency?.
>>319920908
According to New Vegas, NCR dollars are no longer backed by anything, since the Brotherhood of Steel destroyed their gold reserves. But the bottlecap coming back into favour is due to the Hub again, at least.
>>319922672
>some guy that spends maybe 4000 caps at your store.
>investment
>>319922672
>can produce human like androids
>can't fake caps
>>319922615
How about the fact that people have laser rifles and powered armor but still live in huts?
>>319923415
According to your own argument, they make everything thus those 4k caps are pure earnings. And I'm not taking into consideration the fact that since its not their main currency, they can set their own value to caps when bartering.
>>319923330
>NCR dollars are no longer backed by anything
>mfw
>>319923921
I forgot to add an example.
Chinese have no use for dollars since they live in their own bubble, however they still "collected" enough dollars to be able to blow the economy out of the water any day. It's all part of negotiation and being the one who calls the shots.
>>319922098
If money was made by bottlecaps I would retard.
>>319924284
It's made with paper, should be even easier.
You can't do what kids do in kindergarten every day?.
Unless faking a currency isn't as easy as you thought.
>>319924168
they got 4000 caps from one guy
what is this compared to the rest of people that pay with caps?
where are they going to get all these caps from?
besides why invest into caps when your plans are to isolate yourself even further
the only point in flushing the market with caps would be to stew further chaos and draw attention to you
>>319925094
Let's suppose you have a business.
You sell things in dollars but one day one person comes in with another currency, which you don't have any use for but it still has value any way. You accept to sell your goods for a different fee.
Instead of selling item 1 for 1 dollar, you sell it for 2 currency.
You win a lot of money which can be exchanged back for goods, it's a win-win situation for you.
>>319924409
Modern money isn't paper, its a special kind of polymer + a special kind of ink + holograms and shit
Even when they were a fibrous paper they had extremely precise printing, blended different fibers in and a specific shade of ink that you had to wash out of other banknotes because recreating it was bullshit hard.
Caps are some stamped tin and a cheap layer of paint. Because they aren't currency, they're bottlecaps.
>>319925742
They aren't made anymore.
You think you can fake years of wear and tear just like that?, what about the print in the caps?.
Your argument is stupid, too.
>they can make a robot they can't make caps!
Why make something less valuable?. Why make a wheel if you can make a car?.
>>319925650
but they don't need these goods
and the caps are changed at normal rate
>>319912359
>Teleporting around is a fun glitch anyways xd
but it is fun.
and more importantly, it's rare enough to not happen constantly.
>>319911950
Also, you'd think they'd have the tech by now to build better homes than squatting in caves and ruined buildings. Hell, even Hiroshima got back on its feet withing a few months. I think a realistic fallout game would be like the modern world, just with more gas-masks, anti-radiation pills, and a higher cases of birth defects.
>>319911950
the culture in the fallout world is much different
>>319919957
That's only because the Brotherhood blew up their gold reserve. Thus massively devaluing the NCR currency.
In Fallout 2, NCR currency was the popular currency while bottlecaps were worthless at the time (your character could stubble upon a massive store of bottlecaps and complain how worthless they are)
>>319926139
why are you acting like the institute has any kind of interest at selling their tech to outsiders?
>>319919952
Sort of, Beth cribbed some ideas from Tactics for F3 and 4
>In the wake of the Master's defeat, the Brotherhood of Steel began arguing amongst itself over the need for new recruits versus their secrecy as an organization. In the end, most of the Elders ruled against the sharing of their technology with outsiders, confident that their organization could survive on their traditional principles. The minority who opposed this ruling were sent eastward to track down the last remnants of the Master's army via a small fleet of airships. When these airships crash-landed near the ruins of Chicago, these surviving individuals founded the Midwestern chapter of the Brotherhood.
But there are other currencies anon.
Like NCRs waterbased money
>>319911950
when looting safes things that have been closed for 200 years there is pipe weapons, like really? that doesn't make any sense
>>319911950
All Fallout games would've been better if the different factions used different currency, but would be willing to accept the currency of other factions at a disproportional exchange rate.
For example: the Brotherhood of Steel should use power cells as their primary currency, with caps being used as a secondary currency to trade with outsiders.
>>319927225
this could be explained though
safe has already been opened and some faggot raider made it his new storage
>>319921997
Yes. And different kinds of bullets should be worth different amounts.
Want to buy that bottle of purified water? It'll be 10 .38 rounds, 5 .45 rounds, or 1 .50 round.
Caps on the East Coast makes no sense.
It worked in the West because it was backed by water at first. NCR currency was backed by gold until the BoS destroyed it all.
I forgot the justification for why the Mojave uses caps again though, especially considering all the fresh water in the region.
>>319926326
Nice filename.
Could all the gold from Dead Money be enough to back your own currency?
>>319929397
Probably
>>319926326
10/10 made me feel like a dream
>>319915494
The currency originated with water merchants on the west coast. Water was the only thing that everyone ahead had value, so water was the currency of the time. But traveling around with hundreds of gallons of water is stupidly impractical, so what they started to do was they would give them the caps, where one cap was representing one bottle of water. Because everyone got water from the same source, the water company acted like a central bank: backing the worth of the caps. As people began spreading out, caps were simply the most convenient method of common currency, as most people already agreed that the caps had value and caps were easy to find.
On the subject of printing more caps:
The NCR controls most of the printing presses, and now backs their dollars and caps with the NCR federal reserve (or whatever they call their bank), while you could conceivably counterfeit caps, the distinct paints and markings made from pre-war presses make it difficult to accomplish in a large enough quantity to make it worth the trouble without your own press, which the NCR actively works against. (note in New Vegas you get hired by the NCR to track down a printing press for them) a group like the Institute or the Brotherhood could probably print their own caps, but the Brotherhood had been shown to not care about anything that isn't directly related to military technology, and the Institute didn't need to print caps, they just kill or force they're way to whatever you want.
That's pretty much everything I can recall about bottle caps. I'm pretty sure someone else here can tell you about this stuff in closer detail.
