Let me give you actual censorship examples in videogames
>Resident Evil 1
Chris Redfield smoking in his introduction in the live action intro was cut off the final game
>DmC's first Donte
Shown smoking and drinking, was taken out aswell due to the mentioned above, without mentioning how unnapealing it was
>OoT's Ganondorf defeated scene
Where they change the blood color from red to green
>Crash Bandicoot after the first game
Where they remove Tawna because it was too provocative (Back in the time it came out)
>Ducktales Remastered test room
Where they remove the dialog after you defeat a boss in the test room where he says "OMG What the hell is this" because it's Disney and you can't say such words as hell on their games.
So the next time you complain about censorship in games and the only type of complain you are going to have is purely related to butts or tits (Wich by the way, is not like the characters are any less fanservicy than before they took the pic related scene out) you proof the SJW's point when they claim that devs put those scenes so they can get more sales from virgins like you
get ready to be called an sjw shill by a bunch of dumb faggots who weren't going to play sfv beyond a few days anyway.
also
>crosses in every fucking early nintendo game
Does it fucking matter? It's still censorship. And, unlike the previous examples you provided, censorship of sexuality has a tangible, real world movement that is the cause of it. So it would make sense that /v/ would rage over this shit.
>>319903824
>Chris Redfield smoking in his introduction in the live action intro was cut off the final game
Correction the PC version of RE1 retains it.
In fact it is the only version that is completely "Uncensored" as you will say.
Also.
>No Ace Combat 3.
>>319904259
>i'll criticize your grammar because i cannot come up with a better argument
fixed that for you
english is not my mother language by the way
And guess what, literally all of those examples of censorship are minute, irrelevant to the game's quality and not worth talking about.
JUST LIKE THE R MIKA ASS SLAP.
Only difference? Now we live in an age where faggots (faGGots among them) like bitching about anything and everything at all times.
Good thread, OP. I'll make sure to add this to my copypasta collection.
>>319904365
>censorship of sexuality has a tangible, real world movement that is the cause of it. So it would make sense that /v/ would rage over this shit.
muh anime tiddy
>>319903824
so it's censorship if they remove smoking, but it's not censorship if they remove boobs
tobacco company shill detected
>>319904428
What do they censor on AC3?
>>319904365
>>319904502
I get your point but IT IS NOT CENSORSHIP if they are still showing 99% of her ass anyway, that just makes it a removed scene the characters are not any less fanservicy than they were before, why is so hard for people to understand this
>>319904572
Good counterpoint!
>>319904365
>Unlike the previous examples you provided, censorship of sexuality has a tangible, real world movement that is the cause of it
>censorship of violence
Several parents' unions across the US and Europe
>censorship of religious themes
A little institution known as the church
What is the "SJW" or, more specifically, the "anti-sex feminism" movement compared to those? Nothing. Just some loudmouth bloggers that /v/ loves to expose themselves to by religiously following their twitters and posting any and all screencaps on /v/ for the sweet (You)s.
>>319904645
They were strongarmed into not showing part of what they originally deemed acceptable for their game on completely bogus reasons. This only has implications of what to come.
>>319904645
>IT IS NOT CENSORSHIP
Wait. Removing something because people might get triggered / got triggered suddenly isn't censorship anymore?
What is life?
>>319904259
Fucking faggot, I see mouthbreathing retards spell "lose" as "loose" every single day on here and no one points it out, suck a dick you fucking cunt
>>319904645
>What do they censor on AC3?
It's less censored and more butchered really.
>Take out at least two aircrafts
>Take out a vast amounts of mission leaving like 30 something.
>Take out all the anime cutscenes and story.
The 80s were better. Sex and violence in entertainment were more accepted by the general public and Japan didnt even mosaic their porn.
>you will be too old for neo-80s in 2080
>>319904847
>>319904817
I'm going to exagerate to make a point
>show naked lady
>naked lady slaps her ass
>ass slap is removed
>still having a naked lady
is not censorship if the game still has gargantual amounts of fanservice, they remove a lot of things besides ass slaps, i woudn't say that they are ''censoring''
my view is that if they were actually censoring something, it would be changing R. Mika's model and giving her pants, THAT would be censoring, it's just a word that has been so misused that it has lost its meaning
it reminds me of the retards complaining about a few pantyshots removed in Skullgirls, forgetting that the game still has like 1200 of them, it makes no sense to me at all
>>319905259
It's not being misused you retarded faggot, if anyone is misusing it it's you to fit your own opinion / agenda.
Censorship is any change of content be it forced by some regulation or self-censorship to avoid perceived criticism.
An animation that was there isn't there now, that's censorship. You can try to play semantics all you want, but unless you can point me where the animation is still in the game, then it's censorship.
Who fucking cares about some small ass slap in a game only niggers and spics plays.
I'm more concerned about the fact that they literally aren't releasing Dead or Alive Extreme 3 to anywhere outside of Japan
>>319905479
>an animation that is there is not there now
so, are you saying that every animation, every image, every gameplay concept, every cutscene ever cut out of the final game is censorship? regardless of the content of what was cut off in said thing?
and what regulation made them change that scene? don't you think maybe they said ''ok maybe that's going a bit too far for a fighting game"
you got the definition of censorship right anon, i just think that's not what we are talking about here
>>319905693
Just buy the English International version dude. It's not like you'll play it for the crystal-clear localisation.
The downside being, you'll send Tecmo the message that "fans will buy this game anyway, why even bother officially releasing to the West?"
>>319905817
>maybe they said ''ok maybe that's going a bit too far for a fighting game"
this is censorship though.
>>319906345
my point is that it is possible that they take it out because it's really unnecesary instead of taking it out because of fear of who you might trigger
and if that was the case, then they would've taken out Poison like 15 years ago, not all content cut is censorship, that's what i'm trying to talk about, no one forced them to cut that scene out maybe it was just a dev choice
>>319904446
>your argument actually made any sense
Censorship is censorship, dumbass. There is no "real" or "fake" censorship. Eat a dick.
>>319906796
>your point is invalid because i said so
you didn't even try anon
>>319906345
No, it's a personal decision by the dev team.
If they said
>Ah, we wanted to keep the buttslap, but we feared a poor reception, so we took it out
That's self-censorship
But if they said:
>We took the buttslap out because we want to appeal to more people
That is a creative decision, similar to making a game easier or changing an obscure joke
Sure, it may upset you because if means you personally are less catered to when the final release (if only slightly, since Mika is still super sexy, in my opinion), but it is not "censorship".
>>319906985
At least someone fucking gets it, it's not censorship if i can still see R.Mika's ass and tits just fine
>>319903824
>drinking alcohol and smoking
That may have been appealing long before video games were a thing, but not today.
>>319906985
What the fuck are you talking about? They went through the content, decided it wasn't acceptable for some social reasons or whatever.
This is a textbook definition of censorship.
I don't give two fucks about this game, but that right there is a retarded statement.
>>319904881
Relax friendo, just because no one is buying OP's shit doesn't mean you gotta actually show us you're on his cock. Eat shit, motherfucker.
>>319903824
But all those are censorships are okay because they didn't censor my life and hometown.
>>319903824
so liking nude girls is exclusive right for men or lesbians who dont get laid? okay.
>>319907162
>This is a textbook definition of censorship
Which silly dictionary are you reading from? Developmental changes made to make something to appeal to more people do not fall under censorship.
Unless, of course, you can provide a citation for
>decided it wasn't acceptable for some social reasons or whatever
The "or whatever" notwithstanding.
>>319904502
>gg
>using some defunct group to try to win an argument
Lol
>>319906903
>>your point is invalid because i said so
I'm guessing you can't read either? You wanted to show us some "real" censorship, and I said that censorship is censorship; so you can shove your "real censorship" up your knob.
>>319907426
>create some content
>want to "appeal to a greater audience"
>remove said content because it was deemed unacceptable
Pray tell, how is this not censorship?
>>319903824
>Getting more sales from virgins is worse than getting more sales from uptight women.
You are the worst kind of person.
>>319907585
>show examples of censorship
>show proof that Mika's ass slap being removed is not censorship
>not getting the point
well, it shows what you actually care for in videogames anon, enjoy your wizard life
>>319907835
Im pretty sure even old fucks enjoy some TnA at times, I seen middle aged gamers with kids be all "YEAH TITS" in clips and shit. I mean their own wives maybe look like a hippo or mega average.
>>319907678
Loads of stuff is taken out of games during development and left on the cutting room floor. Harder enemies, annoying puzzles, etc., it is not censorship.
>because it was deemed unacceptable
Once again, I ask please show me where the dev team said the buttslap was taken out because it was "unacceptable"
Reading these threads has convinced me /v/ is below average intelligence. Compared to the general public, which is a pretty low bar to begin with.
>>319907835
the point i'm trying to make is that people bitch about that in a game where you have big tits, big asses and a lot of jiggle phyisics to go by in a fighting game, where the focus should be the fighting, i just wish people bought games because they are good games
>>319908309
I was born this way.
>>319906690
but they specifically stated they took it out "to not trigger people"
>>319908402
got sauce of this anon?
>>319908006
Why else would it be taken out? You've even stated in your own post that " Developmental changes made to make something to appeal to more people do not fall under censorship." (which also is utter fucking bullshit, by the way). So even if it was just to appeal to a wider audience, that doesn't even phase the fact that it's still censorship.
>>319908465
https://www.vg247.com/2015/12/09/street-fighter-5-r-mika-butt-slap-removed-to-avoid-making-players-uncomfortable-ono/
>>319903824
>>DmC's first Donte
>Shown smoking and drinking, was taken out aswell due to the mentioned above, without mentioning how unnapealing it was
I don't know if you could really call the smoking part censorship, since it was obviously done due to fan backlash that it was too out-of-character.
There's still so much sexual visuals in SFV that getting rid of a buttslap doesn't even do that much
And now we have autists claiming Capcom is SJW
ITT: a bunch of dumb fuckers who think videogames are "art" and not just a product designed to appeal to a target audience to make as much money as possible.
>>319908465
heres the kotaku social justice version reporting the exact same thing too
http://kotaku.com/why-a-street-fighter-butt-slap-was-removed-1746992143
>>319908715
>a product designed to appeal to a target audience to make as much money as possible.
and that's why they fucked up
SJWs dont buy games
>>319908465
The producer literally fucking said so you goddamn idiot. Maybe you should fucking do some research before spewing pseudo-intellectual tumblr bullshit.
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/12/09/street-fighter-v-producer-says-r-mika-buttslap-was-removed-so-people-wouldnt-be-uncomfortable/
>We want the professional players and the casual fans of the series to return, but we also want to reach those who have never even touched a fighting game. So we can’t have something in the game that makes people think, ‘This is not acceptable.
>We didn’t make any change because of external influences. Those changes came up internally. We decided to remove that because we want the biggest possible number of people to play, and we don’t want to have something in the game that might make someone uncomfortable.
>…we won’t be able to remove everything that could offend someone. But our goal is, at least, to reduce that number as much as possible so that they think ‘Ok, there is this issue here, but it is within the limits.’ We want that everyone can play and enjoy without worrying about anything else.
That is self-censorship.
>>319907951
nigger you need to look up censorship in the dictionary.
>>319907951
Capcom said they censored Mika's slap because of external reasons. i.e. censorship.
Also, define "fake censorship".
>>319908865
>a bunch of nerds from the cesspit of the internet think they have better business sense than a multinational publishing powerhouse
lel
>>319908884
>but we also want to reach those who have never even touched a fighting game.
For this to happen they would have to rework the whole combo system and make the game a million times easier in general
>>319908865
they funded Psychonauts 2
>>319908945
>define "fake censorship".
Fake censorship is when I'm perfectly okay with it being censored!
>>319908993
>Capcom
>business genuises
Anon...
>>319908517
>Why else would it be taken out?
What part of "creative decision" are you not understanding here? Please consider for second that there are audience's in the dev's minds that are not exactly you.
Something that panders marginally less to you is not automatically "censorship.
I'm not sure how I can make this clearer anon.
Okay, if someone wanted to make a horror game with a violent chainsaw scene, but they decided to take it out because of fear of backlash from the public/critics, even if they personally thought that the violent chainsaw scene was important. THAT is self-censorship.
If that same person halfway through development thought "I don't want to just appeal to people who would enjoy violent chainsaw scenes, it can be taken out", and takes the scene out. THAT is a creative decision.
This is the best I can do, I think. I hope you understand.
>>319908865
>SJWs dont buy games
Toby Fox's $2million+ would beg to differ
>>319909183
I don't even give a fuck whether it caters to me or not, I've never liked fighting games, but claiming that this is "false censorship" or whatever bullshit you're trying to call it is absolutely retarded.
It is cute how you're trying to spin this into a personal attack though.
>>319908884
>>319909183
>We want to reach a wider audience
How? Fighting games are niche for a reason, the "wider audience" doesn't care about them. Do they honestly believe that censoring the female characters will suddenly make more people want to play the games?
>>319909183
It's hilarious watching them try to respond with this.
>>319908670
>>319908837
>>319908884
>>319908886
>removing incredibly gratuitous scenes
>i can still see the ass and tits jiggling everytime i throw a punch
i don't see how your game was affected by this, the fanservice is still there, if they wanted to appeal to SJW they just would give everyone pants and that's it, you are complaining about a drop of water in the ocean
>>319908945
is not ''fake censorship'' but more like, people not getting the point, i say again, like in Skullgirls, they removed a couple of pantyshots because they were too gratuitous while keeping the ass and tits jiggling everywhere without mentioning like hundreds of pantyshots.
they want to attract a wider audience, you will hate the following sentence but
>little kids play vidya too
what fucking parent is going to buy that for their little kid?
come on anons, your fanservice was left pretty much untouched, if you call the ass slap removal ''censorship'' then you are just exactly the type of person the SJW's complain about
>>319909417
>false censorship
When did I say that?
>personal attack
I'm sorry you feel that way. I sorta assumed you were impassioned about this thing because you were looking forward to the game. But the message doesn't change, developmental changes =/= censorship.
>>319909536
I can't talk on the dev team's behalf, but if I remember correctly, the head of development said that he wanted SFV to turn the fighting genre on its head and be accessible to more people.
>>319903824
Is complaining about censorship just Gamergate 2?
>>319903824
never justified you fucking woman
>>319909748
The reasoning for why the development change took place and the development change in itself could turn out to be censorship. Which is what it is in this case.
>>319909698
>what fucking parent is going to buy that for their little kid?
Parents buy their little kids M-rated games all the time. Have you heard how many kids are on CoD and other games? It's funny how they don;t care about people being blown up and sliced up and shot full of holes, but a woman smacking her own ass is the devil's work.
>>319909748
Censoring the characters isn't going to do that. They'd have to completely change the playstyle to appeal to more people. And the fact people beat each other up is what turns off a lt of people.
>>319910120
>could turn out to be censorship.
But they explicitly stated otherwise:
https://archive.is/oNHcB
>“We didn’t make any change because of external influences,” he says. “Those changes came up internally. We decided to remove that because we want the biggest possible number of people to play, and we don’t want to have something in the game that might make someone uncomfortable.”
i.e. They changed something to appeal to more people, not for fear of backlash or persecution.
>Which is what it is in this case
It's like you want this to be the worst possible thing just to have something to be angry about.
>>319910398
Nice! You just posted an example of self-censorship!
>>319903824
But anon! It's 2015 now! Surely America has learned to be more accepting of mature content no?
>>319910225
>Censoring the characters isn't going to do that
That's not for me to decide. They're changing the gameplay relatively drastically to make it more appealing for those outside the current fightan game bubble:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/sep/28/its-people-who-feel-they-cant-play-fighting-games-matt-dahlgren-talks-esports-and-designing-sf5-entice-players-old-and-new/
And they seem to feel changing some animations is part of that process.
>>319910612
What?
>>319904446
>english is not my mother language
>but let me tell you the definition of this english word
nigga fuck you
>>319903824
>OoT's Ganondorf defeated scene
Where they change the blood color from red to green
They did more than that. They removed the Islamic chanting from the Fire Temple and changed the Crescent Moon Symbol of the Gerudo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZGnJF1R0WU
>>319910398
You honestly can't see them contradict themselves there?
>We didn't do this because of external reasons
>We did this so people wouldn't be uncomfortable with a woman smacking her own ass as a taunt
Can't get any more external reason than that. And if they were really that concerned with making people uncomfortable they'd also change or remove all of the skimpy outfits, crotch shots, camera angles that show off Cammy's ass and Chun Li's sideboob, Laura's barely-contained floppy DDs, etc.
>neo-neo-/v/ supports developers appealing to a broader audience
so this is what it's come two?
>>319910758
I think by "external" they meant "nobody told us to do this" not "we are unaware of the outside world".
>And if they were really that concerned with making people uncomfortable they'd also change or remove all of the skimpy outfits, crotch shots, camera angles that show off Cammy's ass and Chun Li's sideboob, Laura's barely-contained floppy DDs, etc.
Yeah, I thought the same. But these kinds of things are subjective, I'm personally glad the changes were as minor as this.
Really you should be focusing on Japan, who actually censors tits in their games.
>all these idiot gamergaters complaining about something nobody actually cares about
Provide actual evidence that the game is going to sell more copies if the butt taunt is left in.
Capcom's job is to sell these games with as much efficiency as possible, and they feel removing some things will make it sell more, so unless you can show otherwise, shut the fuck up.
>>319910970
Hey, I don't "support" devs wanting to appeal to more people. But I'd like /v/ to generally know the difference between "appealing to more people" and "self-censorship", then people would be able to converse properly and say "I don't like that this game is appealing to more people", instead of grossly misusing the word "censorship". Cos when ACTUAL censorship happens, that word will start sounding real cheap.
Maybe this is an entire thread of semantics, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
>>319911274
>[shilling intesifies]
>>319911481
simply an epic response
this is the epitome of /v/
>>319903824
The ganondorf thing was and still is horseshit.
>>319911595
can you vouch for me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVvmH1XL9iE
>>319911643
Keeping the blood red would have made OoT be a T rated game. Even 15 years ago, Zelda was one of Nintendo's biggest franchises.
There's no way they would do anything other than keep it E.
>>319911324
>misusing a word to the point where it loses its meaning
hmmm what does this remind me of...
>>319910069
is gobbling up censorship the new dystopian mindset?
>>319911930
>muh ethics in video games
>>319903824
>DmC's first Donte
>Shown smoking and drinking, was taken out aswell due to the mentioned above, without mentioning how unnapealing it was
That's called getting your shit together.
>resident evil 1
you mean before everyone and their mother got internet?
>dmc first donte
i remember that . what was i gonna do ? sent mails to the magazine complaining? not that i give a fuck if he smokes or not
>oot
didn't knew
>crash
didn't knew
>ducktales
the what?
if i don't give a fuck about it i dont complain . if i notice i will complain whatever its a butt or a fucking retarded shit like smoking
>>319911993
>people are unironically pro-censorship.
>>319903824
Let me give you actual censorship
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>>319912213
>Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.
insecure shitlords if u ask me
>>319912313
It has a purpose, since meta discussion can derail on-topic threads very quickly.
Protip: This rule is not enforced at all on /qa/.
>games that game out over a decade ago and a game that was shit on by everyone at every stage of development
wew lad it's like you're literally grasping at straws
>>319912213
>You will not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to anything that violates local or United States law.
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sounds fair
>>319912181
There's a Porno market out there if you really want that stuff. You just have to find a specialty marketplace like the adult store in town.
>>319912791
>boobs are only allowed in porn
I don't get this meme
>>319912791
the artist put it in the game because its her character. the artist took it out of the game to pander to soccer moms. dont pander to people that dont play the game.
I love to watch big booty Latina and Asian women slap thier ass cheeks though.
>>319913207
>Only REAL GAMERS play games
I don't get this meme.
>>319913783
well if he did it not to offend american young men, I guess he thinks they're all faggots.
>>319912791
>>319913194
>>319913207
>>319913783
>missing the point
having sexy women is ok, i'm all for TnA, but if that's EVERYTHING people are going to look for, they might aswell look at porn
>>319903824
>these minor, largely cosmetic changes are bad because ????????
>those minor, largely cosmetic changes are no big deal, what are you, a pervert?
Wow OP you sure convinced me.
>>319914495
the ass slap being removed is not censorship, is my point
>/v/ is pro censorship
What happened here?
>>319915060
>removing these things is censorship
>removing that thing isn't censorship
??????????????????????????????????????
>>319915201
Pushback against the billion of fucking censorship threads we have each day.
Also easy as shit to wrestle jammies by being pro-censorship.
>>319915318
Moot said it's a very small vocal group so they're the minority anyways.
Let's get real here
Their goal was to increase the number of sales by hiding the butt slap. Correct?
How many additional people will now buy the game because of the removal of the butt slap? In other words, people what would otherwise not be interested in Street Fighter 5.
.... you settled on a number? Good.
Now how many people will they alienate with this change? Is that number less or greater than the customers they just won over?
The logical conclusion is that they lost more people than they gained.
Especially considering that the more casual audience they hope to win over really don't keep tabs on this kind of stuff (I have asked several of my casual gaming friends discreetly about this and they were completely unaware of this change).
ESPECIALLY considering all the scantily clad females are still in the game and it is still as degrading for women or whatever as it was before.
So was this really a good marketing move?
>>319903824
"actual censorship" is not the same thing as "It's dumb to remove this" or "you wouldn't have to be an autist/pervert to care about it".
Censorship just means the intent was to remove of mitigate the objectionable content.
If Mika's buttslap was moved off camera because they internally thought this made it less objectionable, then it's technically censorship. It it was moved off camera because it was originally a mistake, or they thought it was MORE suggestive that way, or if they just thought it looked better, then the intent is different and would not qualify as censorship.
>>319914483
who said it was everything people cared about? people are complaining because censorship is unacceptable, and then the whole thing is blown up 10x as big because for some reason people can't stop arguing to defend it.
if everyone who supposedly didn't care about censorship would just hide the threads, or only post "I don't care but yeah that sucks for you I hope capcom changes their mind" they would slide right to page 10. instead we get 500 replies because people keep antagonizing the anti-censorship posters. why? if you actually don't care about the issue than you must be doing it just to be contrary.
>>319911071
>that picture
Is this true?
>>319915060
>the ass slap being removed is not censorship, is my point
It is in fact censorship. Do I really need to copypaste the definition for you?
>Censorship blocks something from being read, heard, or seen.
>To "censor" is to review something and to choose to remove or hide parts of it that are considered unacceptable. Censorship is the name for the process or idea of keeping things like obscene word or graphic images from an audience. There is also such a thing as self-censorship, which is when you refrain from saying certain things — or possibly re-wording them — depending on who is listening.
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/censorship
If they claimed it was an artistic change then it wouldn't have been censorship, but they didn't. They said it was done to make the game appeal to a broader audience. Hence why they hid the butt slap.
So you're wrong.
>>319903824
>Its only censorship when I say it is.
Wew, this retarded statement again.
>>319909042
Implying the funded Psychonauts 2? I rather imply the idiots who is gullible and interested in Tim Schafes shit g ames did it.
im just here reminding yall that this aint important cause it has no effect on gameplay
peace
>>319916006
you are right anon, that was censorship
>leaving all the jiggling on the asses and tits
>leaving chun li's sideboob
>leaving most of poison's attacks
>leaving all the fanservice untouched except for that Mika scene
they seem to be really selective on what they want to censor anon
>leaving a scene out to appeal to a wider audience
it's a marketing strategy then
>>319915675
This.
I would also say it was just a grab for media as well to use the SJWs to attempt to get more press. Like when they claimed to censor that one FPS (medal of honor I think) but those fuckers were already pressed to the disc.
Worthy to add that the only people that care about fighting games are the people already buying them that would have liked it. Its not a genre for casuals outside of the more party game ones.
Also tons of women don't find sexy characters degrading they find it fun to play hot character and beat the hell out people with it. I know girls that hate this censorship more than dudes because they were glad to not grow up as sexually repressed as the previous generations and to have idiot women try to bring that back pisses them the fuck off.
>you proof the SJW's point when they claim that devs put those scenes so they can get more sales from virgins like you
le epic conspiracy! Game devs are pretending to be censored by those people who have made their life's work censoring video games!
>>319916346
>im just here reminding yall that this aint important cause it has no effect on gameplay
>peace
Damage has been done. Sales have been lost. Faith broken.
On a more serious note you really think Capcom would try and build up their trust better after completely shitting on their consumers for years and years now. But I guess they really haven't changed.
It's not really surprising why so many developers and employees fled Capcom after all.
>>319915675
>man, I was going to buy SFV but I saw that R. Mika slaps her ass so I'm not going to buy it!
Who the fuck thinks like this?
>>319916457
>List of things censored
>Majority of the cases literally nothing changed except for a bunch of internet feminists (that care less about the games than you care about said feminists) got slightly angry
??
>>319916457
I'm 99% sure that this image is posted by pro-censorship people to make anti-censorship people look retarded.
>>319916435
I think focusing the camera on lewdness is the problem. When 95% of the screen is butt it becomes a little tasteless.
It's like if you have a picture of ballerinas spreading their legs, it's fine. But if you put the camera right up against their vaginas while they do it, it becomes 2lewd and technically child porn according to George Bush.
>>319916798
however many it is I bet it's more than the number of people who think the opposite way
>>319916798
people that dont want to encourage this kind of bullshit.
>Hey let's complain about a half second animation that has no effect on gameplay! Instead of meaningful topics like Ryu being absolutely gutted and nerfed beyond recognition. Removing strategies that have been prevalent since ST days, like no more air tatsu.
>>319904881
I do all the time. it's one of my biggest pet peeves.
>>319917228
>Ever fluctuating fighting game balance more important than butts
Oh please
>>319917228
Only basic bitches use Ryu.
>>319917228
It's meaningful, because it shows a mindset that is festering. It's part of the whole "accessible" mindset that causes the issue you are speaking of. "Ryu is "too good", we need to tone him down and get rid of these advanced techniques to appeal to a larger audience, just like how we removed these suggestive things."
Unless we show them that trying to appeal to a larger audience will only lose them money, they won't stop dumbing the game down.
But good luck trying to convince them of proper game balance when they are still making hand over fist in cash and couldn't give a shit.
>>319916639
i've never heard like 10 out of all of those statements, and even then, some of them are true
>>319916639
>Game devs are pretending to be censored by those people who have made their life's work censoring video games!
except the only people using the word "censor" are you people. If changing tiny bits about a game to make it more appealling to the masses is censorship then you have likely never played an uncensored game in your life
>>319917818
If you think SFV is dumbed down to the point of being a bad game, why not just accept that it's fine for (lots) of other people enjoy the game and move onto something more aligned with what you want out of a fighting game?
>>319915675
>How many additional people will now buy the game because of the removal of the butt slap? In other words, people what would otherwise not be interested in Street Fighter 5.
.... you settled on a number? Good.
Now how many people will they alienate with this change? Is that number less or greater than the customers they just won over?
its like /v/ doesnt understand the notion of subtlety. Toneing down some of the more extreme moments of lewdness makes the game not embarassing to play in a group with freinds in the living room. For a lot of kids that means their parents living room. Of course its hard to pin down the number of people who would buy the game where they otherwise wouldnt, but just because its tough to say doesnt mean there isnt an impact. As someone who owns a used vidya store ive seen people (especially parents) decline to buy a game for less.
I know to those of us whose only interaction with the larger gaming community is /v/ and other such voards this may sound crazy, but normies are the biggest market there is and appealling to them is paramount.
>>319917072
SO MUCH THIS
i swear, this seems to be so hard for some people to get through their heads
>>319917818
>It's meaningful, because it shows a mindset that is festering
pretty sure thats the exact arguement femenists use to bitch about skimpy outfits
>its not just this, its indicative of a larger issue and thats why it needs to be changed
>its only censorship if i care about it
>>319903824
1. Smoking, drinking, and murder is dumb, while sex is natural.
2. No one is against sex censorship and for other censorship, so your argument applies to no one.
>>319919039
Who that fuck put you in charge to decide what is natural and not
Murder is a natural part of life, animals commit murder every day, humans commit murder everyday and is no different from sex.
Stop imposing your ideals to censor others. You can keep your titties, but you take my violence I will rain shit upon you.
>It's not censorship if it doesn't effect me
Fuck off.
>>319916457
Porn of them in this style when?
>>319919260
>>It's not censorship if it doesn't effect me
Literally OP
>>319919260
>Murder is a natural part of life
>>319903824
OP is an actual retard. Amazing.
>>319918156
>If changing tiny bits about a game to make it more appealling to the masses
sounds like you can use that pro-censorship rhetoric to defend removing the word "nigger" from Huckleberry Fin.
>>319908332
So why no just fight with polygons since the focus is the fighting? Mild sexuality has always been part of japanese fighting games and removing is wrong even if it's the smallest detail. You're acting like a fucking prude who think there's anything wrong in the slightest with enjoying sexuality. In the end it's all midless entertainment. If they made it so Ryu's Shinku Hadoken connected off-screen it'd be just as bad as the butt slap.
>>319916457
>all this waifushit
I'm not seeing the problem.
>>319917096
>>319917124
Has 4chan became a place for a bunch of moralist faggots? You cannot buy this game for omg tits and ass? But most Muricans can buy Carl of Duty or similar games where you end up doing small holocausts on the amount of kills itself?
>>319916457The censored version of the Blade and Soul outfit looks better than the uncensored one
>>319904645
>IT IS NOT CENSORSHIP
>just makes it a removed scene
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>>319919505
Animals go to the store and buy food to eat :^)
>>319919760
here in america sex is the advertising tool. So they want to keep you thirsty. Japan doesnt seem to understand that.
>Shown smoking and drinking, was taken out aswell due to the mentioned above, without mentioning how unnapealing it was
How was this "censorship"? He was redesigned during development, dumbfuck.
Censorship only applies to something that was in a released version of the game being taken out.
And it's telling that all your other examples are from the fucking 90s.
>>319916435
>they seem to be really selective on what they want to censor anon
Indeed they are. Which just further suggests that someone on the marketing team or a higher up just recently noticed it and tried to migitate the "damage".
>it's a marketing strategy then
You know when it comes to the point where so stubbornly in denial you can't even realize that you can mistakes the healthiest option is to just stop.
That is unless you truly believe you can never be wrong on the internet. Which on an anonmyous imageboard would be devestating to your ego.
>>319921432
>opinion based on speculation
>>319910749
This is unfortunate too because I really like this version of the Fire Temple theme.
>>319906796
There's legitimate reasons for outrage, and then the stuff virgins are up in arms about. You losers trivialize real causes just because you can't see an ass slap in street fighter.
>>319916006
How is altering a product to appeal to more people censorship?
>>319903824
Ganondorf never coughed up red blood.
>>319924214
The golden cartridge (wich i own) was the earliest build released for OoT wich had the Muslim chants, the Muslim mirror shield and the red blood, look it up
i like how people complaining that female design is unrealistic and impractical are the same people who say realism is no excuse for lack of diversity. and the same ones who call sexuality offensive or harmful have no problem with graphic murder and violence.
they can't actually do anything important, so they just cling to trivial bullshit social movements to feel important. and even then they get laughed out of other media, but games bend to their whims because they perceive them as a financial threat.
the real problem is the industry being way too profit driven, which leads to all the other problems like moral outrage pandering and nickel-and-diming day 1 season pass DRM bullshit.
>>319920013
You mean shitty sex scene spoilers in movie trailers or similar?
>>319926697
that and to sell products as well though they have toned it down a bit lately. Carls Jr is blatant about it though.
>>319903824
No matter how much you try. You will not try to change the meaning of censorship.
Face it, you guys got keked.
>>319923794
removing or changing content to avoid offending someone is censorship.
>>319926974
We always had these morale faggots, but this new left wing supported left wing shit is spooky. They are not seen as nutty religious idiots or similar no one takes serious. Its like"Haha Republican/Christian dumb ass! You so...what? THe left wing said the same? WELL OMG FIX THIS! YOU FUCKING JAP FUCKERS!" Soon we see Japan isolate itself again with how much shit they get from oh so ubermensch western leftwing people.
There is something weird when it's things like this that cause the most commotion. It's almost as if people are more invested in culture war than they are in silly things like gameplay.
>>319927759
Censorships hardly ever affect gameplay, that still doesn't mean they are welcome.
>>319924214
But he did you retard.
>>319903824
hey, I am actually mad that they censored the trail of blood for claw marks in the American version of the Grudge game.
>It's not censorship
Amazing, so leftist continue their war on words. Racism no longer means racism. Censorship no longer means censorship.
Daily Reminder that if this change ass pains you to visit this site: bfy. tw/3FzG
All of these threads have just taught me /v/ doesn't know what censorship actually is.
ITT:
It's not censorship if I don't care about it.
Aren't normal censorship and self censorship two separate things? With normal censorship someone forces you to change something you have no intention of changing, but with self censorship you make the decision yourself willingly. You can whine and complain all you want that its the sjws fault, but at the end of the day it was the decision of the devs.
the lewd lives on in our hearts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=843d76PO1bk
>>319903824
It IS censorship, but not for the reasons everyone thinks. The game is still raunchy as fuck, so altering the camera angle on the ass slap isn't meant to appeal to anyone. Anyone who has a beef with how much fanservice is in the game still has that beef.
I genuinely believe the team themselves made the choice on their own. They do have integrity, after all. It's their creation. Maybe they just didn't like it.
>>319919905
>implying the majority of murderers eat their victims
>>319903824
Depends on what.
When I saw this footage of chun li I got hard and blew my load on myself and my face. I don't regret it.
>>319903989
It's because of those games that we got censorship and the ESRB in top gear.
>>319930414
Wew. I'll take this over an ass-slap any day of the week.
>>319905817
you get paid for this, dont you?
>>319931947
What about the month?
>>319930414
>women with heavily masculine legs
Disgusting
>>319903824
Actual censorship (first used in trailer but removed from game to not make anyone feel "uncomfortable":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1NrENvIvPo
Possible censorship (adjustment made to game to hide bad character model which also hides lewd camera angle):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSv1lXYm2js
