Why do stuns exist in this game?
As far as i'm aware, their only purpose is to make it easier for experienced players to beat the shit out of new players, since literally the only time i've ever seen it happen was when I was getting completely bodied.
Stuns only exist to give good players a free taunt and Ultra Finish when fighting new players, right?
you'll only get stunned if you get hit clean, the way around stun is to block. if you're having difficulty blocking, you can try blocking low by default and then reacting to overhead animations.
>>319894074
stun is meant to reward hitting/ the opponent multiple times in a short amount of time. It helps reward players who put time into creating tricky mixups and good reads.
>>319894074
So I can body people with makoto
>>319894074
you should try blocking senpai
It's a reward for playing well.
And the game has plenty of comeback mechanics to deal with that.
>>319894074
Because if there wasn't the game would be limited to "whoever has more lifebar wins". Stun rewards you for relentless smart offense.
>>319895540
Why doesn't it reward you with winning for smart offense
>>319895113
Is that why some characters can deal massive amount of stun with limited attacks? Gief can stun characters with two hits.
>>319895663
u r dumb
>>319895663
it does. if you've stunned your opponent you get to hit them with another combo. it's a lot easier to avoid stun than you think, literally all you have to do is block. in fact when you successfully avoid being attacked, the stun gauge (invisible in sf4) reduces passively.
>>319895726
he's a grappler anon, he can do everything in fewer hits than the rest of the cast can. that's the tradeoff for being big, slow and immobile.
>>319895726
>gief
>landing hits
shaking my bacon to be honest famicom
>>319895663
Fighting games are not about winning, anon. It's about showing everyone else you did.
>>319895816
No u
>>319894074
>Why do stuns exist in this game?
Some people only learn the hard way
>>319895726
Gief can only do that if he hits with his Neutral jump fierce (the headbutt) because it deals 600 stun. Stun is a way to make certain normals more powerful without directly increasing the damage they do. This can create interesting strategic decisions:
Gief hits you with his neutral headbutt, you know if he gets 1-2 good hits on you, you'll be stunned. So now you absolutely have to get away. The Gief player knows this, so now he can make reads based on knowing your desire to get away and not be stunned. But then of course, if you're brave, you can know what Gief would do to prevent a backdash or jump back, and go on the offense to counter that specifically.
Thanks to the stun levels on that one move, getting hit by it changes the dynamic of the game instantly for a few seconds. It's applications like these that make stun a good mechanic in my eyes.
>>319896172
Yes, him getting stunned really taught him his errors.
>>319896172
Please tell me you taunted before finishing him off
>>319896365
it probably did considering doing the exact same thing 5 times in a row got him killed. you can't be predictable if you expect to win.
>>319896298
But then gief knows that you know that attacking is the best option so clearly you can't do that.
But then a smart man would know that gief knows that you know that he knows that you will see that attacking isn't a good bet so clearly you can't do that.
What gief doesn't know is you've been getting in the face by dicks for years and have built up a stun immunity
>>319896298
That assumes the player has seen numbers that's not available in the game. There's no in-game indicator/pointer that tells about what attacks does more stun than normal.
>>319896602
training mode shows stun values doesn't it?
>>319896574
He didn't learn after the first 2 times, he wouldn't learn from the stun either.
>>319896687
Yes
>>319896687
>>319896602
Yes training mode shows stun value numbers
>>319896714
why wouldn't he? it cost him the round and blew him up, usually that's enough to make people think twice next time.
>>319896745
>>319896764
that's what i thought, thanks.
>>319896602
Thankfully there's a stun bar in SFV
>>319896714
>>319896365
>E.ryu edgelord
>Impatient
>Stun forces an impatient a.d.d. player to sit still, something they hate to do
He HAD to learn something
Why does Negative penalty exist, why does Arcsys HATE the idea of blocking?
>>319898072
When you're blocking you're not pressing buttons, and when you're not pressing buttons you're not having fun
t. anime fighting player
>>319897568
He learned he hated sf and quit
>>319896172
fuck off doug
>>319898072
>>319898221
but you don't get negative penalty by blocking, you get it by backdashing like 6 times in a row and doing nothing else.
>>319894074
git gud
>>319898348
no u
>>319898391
IF I WANT TO BACKDASH 6 TIMES IN A ROW I SHOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO, FUCK YOU ARCSYS
>>319894074
It's more like 'block retard, you're doing it wrong'.
>>319898391
Tell that to the Chuns I fight like god damn, come back here
>>319898858
what arcsys game is chun li in?
>>319898932
Oh my bad did we stop talking about sf?
>>319899010
yeah negative penalty is a thing in arcsys games. i was responding to posts about them. we can talk about sf though. backdashes in v got crippled defensively so you probably won't have that issue anymore.
>>319899167
Oh shit really? I'm not sure how much of a fan I am of that. Playing evasive makes people mad and forces most to come in. I dunno v is really starting to look super gimped. I'm okay with removing 1f links cause I'm a scrub but damn
>>319895663
Literally what?
>>319899353
all they did was take off the invincibility, they still travel a good distance.
>>319899167
>bait out a shoryu in 5 and backdash
>Get hit
For what purpose
>>319899430
if your timing is good you'll still be safe because you'll be gone by the time they DP. the only thing they did was remove the invincibility. if you have issues with this you can also do a safe jump. besides DPs got nerfed in V compared to IV anyway.
>>319899167
>backdashes in v got crippled defensively
what?
>>319899590
I didn't really get a chance to test out what's good and what isn't, the stress test wasn't up for very long yesterday. Can't wait for next week to arrive
>>319899630
they removed the invincibility. that's about it. maybe not crippled but it's pretty significant.
>>319898613
You do have every right to do so. Being a pussy just cost meter, that's all.
>>319899430
Now you have to bait it with blocking outside of throw range instead, which can get blown up by walk-up throw if the opponent knows you're baiting.
>>319899860
FUCK YOOOOOOOOOU
>>319899390
Literally not letting you win with offense, broke game
>>319899419
I dunno man I like being able to dodge shit on backlash and there's already a lot of things that catch them to start with
>>319899790
That kind of really sucks
