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This shouldn't be much trouble, right?
You should be able to solve this.
The answer isA FUCKING HOLE IN THE UNIVERSE THAT PLUNGES YOU INTO AN INFINITE VOID WHAT THE FUCK
Its not, all you need to do is just find stairs
>>319889972
It shouldn't. It's a fucking rough map of someone who cased the place. THIS is a real problem.
>>319890414
But all those tiles
>>319890432
>yfw
>>319889972
>This shouldn't be much trouble, right?
oh boy
Thief 1 maps are goat. They're so vague and believable given the context.
>>319889972tiles
>Where am I?
>Down in the Bonehoard
>go far into the caves area
>where the fuck am I?
>mfw I checked the map
>>319891168
Fuck the Lost City.
Was there ever a relation between the Mages and the Pagans? Why are the mages so poorly integrated in the lore? You'd think that with such powers they'd have something to do with everything, like the Hammers do.
>>319892128
Mages were never really elaborated upon besides them being a sort of sect from abroad.
>>319892128
Mages were from the east, they had no relation to any of the in-game factions.
>>319892128
Because the mage towers was only added in Thief Gold.
post music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr7sW6vbfM4
>>319892220
Oh, that's right, I forgot about the abroad part.
Imo, the devs should have planted that idea somewhere that Hammers were fiercely opposed to the Mages, and made sure they couldn't establish themselves strongly in The City. There was this necromancer guy in Thief 2, one lone tower in the middle of the city, and it seemed he kept his business secret.
Bafford's mansion is weird by Thief standards. Mostly because this was the first map they designed by someone who usually doesn't design maps if I remember correctly. But it fits in with Bafford being oafish and pretentious.
>>319891168
strangely enough, even though I constantly get lost in Thief, the lost city was an easy to navigate straightforward experience for me
>>319892257
Trail of Blood wasn't really that confusing of a map. The seasonal part was pretty straight forward.
>>319892371
iirc the game said something about people being weary of the mages, but there was no active resistance.
Hammers themselves use magic, so I don't see why they'd be hostile towards the mages.
>>319892128
The mages are basically fantasy Arab wizard monks. They want to be left alone to their studies.
>>319892371
>There was this necromancer guy in Thief 2
I remember that necromancer being referenced in Thief 1 Mage Towers level. I think he was banished from the sect but don't remember much now.
>>319892358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xhLYmklbZo
Assassins was where I really got hooked on Thief. The intro sequence was really intense the first time around, and then I entered the mansion through Ramirez's room and thought it would be cool if there was a secret compartment in the fireplace, and there fucking was.
hi
it is me
your favorite map
>>319893143
Thieves Guild?
Fuck that mission it was like a big sewer level and the guards are the twitchiest in the game
>>319893058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpHJyfAdFQw
That sound so good they used it for the credits theme
![thief071[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/q67n4yq.gif "thief071[1].gif")
More games should have fun with their maps.
>>319891817
>Trying to find that tomb, fighting off zombies
>All these tunnels look alike, how the fuck am I supposed to find anything?
>Peek at the map
>"Where am I?"
Still one of my favorite gaming moments, Garret was just as confused as I was.
>>319893143
At least it had good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nJ09SjKVgI
But so did every level.
>>319893334
that fucking level took me forever, fuck this shit triggered me
>>319893272
Yup, that's the one. The fact that lighting doesn't really provide dark spots to sneak through doesn't help either.
>>319893473
It was fun but pic related and that street with spider tunnels gave me fucking heart attacks. And that pile of leaves with a hole in it that drops you into a spider's lair, fuck that.
>>319893334
I was once running around for an hour because I missed 50 loot and couldn't end the mission
>>319893681
>oh it's a mansion I can loot
>oh it contains spooky scary skeletons
Well, technically they were skeleton ghosts?
>>319893718
Deadly Shadows hard mode was really frustrating with its loot goals. I stopped playing at the Pagan Hideout because I had to find a tiny jewel hidden between some stones or something.
this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I hated how the hardest part of thief wasn't stealing shit without getting caught, but being constantly lost and having no idea where to go.
>>319893873
>Deadly Shadows hard mode was really frustrating with its loot goals. I stopped playing at the Pagan Hideout because I had to find a tiny jewel hidden between some stones or something.
how the fuck, the fucking loot sparkles
>>319893972
A lot of people hate getting lost. But I enjoy big confusing levels, so long as most areas are different, identifiable, and have easy to find landmarks. Most of the time Thief had variety in levels, but every once in awhile you'd come across a level where every tunnel looked the same.
>>319893972
You bet it's an unpopular opinion. Games you can get lost in are a precious treasure.
>>319894045
It wasn't exactly in a place where I'd look for the loot. I think there was some sort of canal with a giant spider or burrick down there, and the jewels were hidden at the far end of that canal, away from any path through the complex, at which they wouldn't sparkle.
>>319894261
DS doesn't have spiders nor burricks and that level is almost corridor shooter tier
>>319893972
I think it was a fair way of handling things since the AI wasn't super smart. I don't find it very hard to sneak around guards in most stealth games, so combine that with more straightforward levels and it's boring.
But it's understandable why someone wouldn't like it.
>>319894370
Well, there was something down there that discouraged me from exploring, and the place where the loot was found was too out of the way for me.
Combine that with the general off way the engine feels and I wasn't exactly in a mood to continue playing.
So if we gota new Thief game that followed DS it would star Garret desciple from the ending. But would honestly anyone want that? After DS all the magic of the world was destroyed literally and metaphorically
>>319893143
Donal and Rueban can kill each other for all I care.
![1377254999233[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/L7Dou2Q.jpg "1377254999233[1].png")
>>319893334
I still think Daggerfall had an ingenious "map", it just needed to control better and maybe hide walls or something to make it more clear
>>319893972
I'm playing through Taff Gold currently and i've yet to get lost. Just finished the fifth level; Thieve's Guild.
>>319893718
I've been collecting all of the loot I could possibly find and then using a youtube guide to find the last few pieces. Then I hit Thieve's Guild and just said fuck it, not worth it. Some of the loot is bullshit unfair to find and I never buy anything so it's fucking worthless to boot.
There's a piece of loot visible in this webm. See if you can find it.
>>319894905
I think any new Thief game would have trouble outdoing fan missions, and there are enough of those that I don't feel the need for a new game.
>>319894905
I still got the original game, I still got fan-missions that come out, I still have The Dark Mod. DS had a perfect ending, and I really don't need a sequel for that. I can just use my imagination to figure out what happens next.
>>319895227
Gem hidden behind the tapestry to the right of the door?
>>319895227
you know you can cut tapestries with the sword?
>>319895407
>>319895536
I loved the inter mission movies that formed the plot in Thief 1. Dem quotes or the scene with Constantine and his invigorating wine they all had that eerie atmosphere that something bad was going to happen.
>>319895536
I didn't see it but my first thought was that it would be a ring. Shit's invisible.
>>319895337
dark mod?
>>319895337
Is this Requiem? Goat mission.
Dark Mod is so underrated.
A team with proper direction and this game combined could create an incredible campaign.
>Enemy is on a tile.
>Literally IMPOSSIBLE to sneak up on them without moss arrows.
fucking tiles, man
You can practically crouch-run across every other surface and nobody will hear you but cripple-speed on a tile and the entire base will be alerted.
>>319895705
Me too man.
>Come the time of peril, did the ground gape, and did the dead rest unquiet 'gainst us
>Our bands of iron and hammers of stone prevailed not, and some did doubt the Builder's plan
>But the seals held strong, and the few did triumph, and the doubters were lain into the foundations of the new sanctum
>>319895705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5mnWQi59g4
A lot of games during that time were going full FMV during that time. I loved how LG went with illustrations for the most part, but used 'shadow' actors when they needed animation. Still holds up today.
>>319895718
Yes
>>319895826
Requiem's sequel, yeah. A House of Locked Secrets. Probably the best mission I've played in TDM, at least that I can remember.
>>319895958
have you tried crouch+creeping+plus stopping before you take a step?
Or just jump at them with the blackjack raised?
>>319895705
That pagan theme that plays once the stained glass image of a hanging comes on screen is my favorite piece of music from the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-bfkisAeeI
>>319896109
>A House of Locked Secrets
I think I downloaded that one a while back but still haven't played it. Will definitely check it out since I played through Requiem twice.
Wish there were more missions on TDM with as much detail
don't make me reinstall the thief games /v/
i've been through too much already i can't do em again
>>319895980
That and I thought the use of filtered in-game screenshots made the difference between the actual graphics and the cutscenes less jarring.
>>319896164
I've just been leaving them to last and then having an honorabu dueru. Guards have difficulty turning around so you can just strafe around them repeatedly until they pass out from 100 wiffle bat strikes to the back of the head.
>>319896491
I remember that killing them. I always needed to lure them into the dark and hit them in the back for an alert knockout.
>>319896669
It seems random to me. Sometimes I can knock out alerted guards by hitting them a bunch, sometimes that just ends up killing them. Not sure what causes it.
best level right here
>>319896890
if you manage to get behind an alerted guard in a relatively dark area (not sure how much but the gem doesn't need to be completely black) you can knock them out with the blackjack. Otherwise, hitting them repeatedly will eventually kill them.
>>319896669
If you hit them on the front, they'll die.
That said, there were a few cases where a guard died while I was bopping him but I figured that was just a case of too many side-bonks and not enough back-bonks.
The other way to do it is to get their attention, have them follow you a distance away, loop around them, turn a corner and just crouch. As soon as you stop running, they lose track of you and start wandering around. Crouch-walk to a nice doorway near where they were originally standing and after a minute, they'll begin to wander back to their original spot. Then the clubbening begins.
All three thief games have excellent soundtracks
3>1>2 for me in terms of mission music
I love that there are so many damn fan missions for Thief 1 & 2. I've already got (and will continue to get) alotta mileage from the official campaigns, and the billion FMs let me get even more out of them.
>>319897058
>warship named cetus amicus
>translates to "the friendly whale"
>>319897509
I have about 250 hours between T1 and T2 and I've barely scratched the surface of FMs. It helps that there are so many ways to replay ("normally", then ghosting, iron man, swordsman, 100% loot, etc) so I've ended up playing the same few of them.
>>319896669
also, another way to knock out an alerted guard that is actively chasing you is to close a door in front of him and block it so it won't open all the way when he wants to come through. Part of his body will start clipping through the door and at that point you can just hit them in the face and they will get knocked out.
>>319897509
I have that image with recommended fan missions and I was going to add some but I'm lazy so I just made a text version. Anything I should add to the list? So far the file reads:
Fan Mission forums:
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=100
http://forums.thedarkmod.com/
Fan Mission lising by type:
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144797
Some worthwhile Fan Missions for Thief Gold or Thief 2:
(Do your research, because some of these are parts of series that should be played in order)
T2X: Shadows of the Metal Age (it's an entire game)
The Inverted Manse
Disorientation
Rocksbourg series
Conspiracies in the Dark
Trail of Blood 2
The 7 Shades of Mercury
Calendra's Cistern (consider the recent updated version)
Calendra's Legacy
Between These Dark Walls
Shadow Politics
Endless Rain
The Ashen Age
Rose Cottage
The Unseen
Bad Debts
The Hand of Glory
Mystic Gems: Heart of Bohn
The Power of Suggestion
The Order of the Vine
A Better Tomorrow
Unbiddent Guest
The 7th Crystal
Augustine's Revenge
Heist Society
The Seven Sisters
Broken Triad
Bones Ep1: The Old Quarter
Returning a Favor
The Black Frog
Sepulchre of Sinistral
COSAS: Mission X
Greyfeather Gems (Part 1: The Shipment, and Part 2: Rodamill)
Shadow of Doubt
Third Time's the Charm
Relic - Left for Dead
Saints and Thieves
Stone and Glass House
The Tower
The Saint of Redmound
Hidden Agenda
L'Arsene series
Amoral Dilemma
Ominous Bequest Gold
Death's Turbid Veil
Breaking the Stone
Exile
Kingsbridge
Gems of Provenance
Lorgan's Web
Lady Whitman's Disease
Chalice of Souls
Of Thieves and Rubies
Whispers in the Desert
From Beneath the Sands
Pirates Ahoy!
Sturmdrang Peak
Rowena's Curse
Evil Thievery
The Widow's Ire
why is this allowed
Starting thief 2, what difficulty should I play on?
>>319901770
expert
>>319901770
>>319901770
Play Gold before 2.
>>319901743
Why is THIS allowed?
>>319902015
>>319901840
Already played gold, can you still change difficulty between missions?
>>319901743
IT ISN'T. GET OUT OF HERE.
>>319902519
doesn't matter you should be playing on expert
>>319902519
Yeah.
>>319902582
Aight
>>319902376
I could live with it if the story actually was good or as atmospheric as the one in T1. It still wouldn't be a good thief game but at least one element of the old thief would be present in the abortion that the final product was. But no, even when they went for the story the fucked it and Garret up in even measure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOaDp7FYX50
>>319904002
>thief 2 was designed as levels first and story after
god damn why don't more developers do this?
The Sword was the strangest level I've ever played in any game.
I started it, rope arrow'd in, fumbled around like an idiot and suddenly found myself above the sword one floor. Jumped down, took it and immediately found the exit somehow. I think my stupidity skipped like 80% of the level.
Thief is a fantastic series.
>>319902376
>the development team want to respect fans of the series
So do Squenix have any plans for a Thi4f 2?
>>319905286
probably not. Thi4f was a financial blunder.
>>319905286
Please no
Only if they're willing to tackle the fact that the setting is still the old one, and actually make it interesting again.
Or just go back to the actual Garret
>>319904680
I feel lucky that I didn't accidentally do that! The Sword's my pick for scariest fucking Thief level, but you need to soak in it for a while and see all the sights for the dread to build.
>>319903102
>>319902376
correct me if I'm wrong, but the hammers weren't even in the reboot, weren't they?
Can someone remind me where to find the code to the bank vault in Thief 2? It's been a while since I've done this
>tfw LGS games are being raped one by one
rip thief
rip system shock
rip ultima underworld
>>319907887
you just need to get all the lights green.
don't remember the exact sequence
>>319907069
They weren't, the fortunate bastards.
>>319908807
how do you make a thief game without the Hammers? they're responsible for like 60% of the setting
>>319908503
It's the future you chose by not buying enough copies of Jane's Attack Squadron.
>>319909530
Wasn't LG dead by the time that came out?
Personally, I'm reserving judgment on the SS and UU stuff until one of them come out, or at least until UA reaches a point where they actually consider it a game rather than a prototype for a game's pre-alpha.
>>319893972
Eh.
I can understand what you mean, but it's sort of part of the experience. I hate to use the word 'realistic', but it is a very fitting feeling.
You're a thief breaking into places that you really don't know much about. You have some information, but have to go by what you find in there.
Didn't play PC games when I was younger so I never got to play Thief. If I want to play the first one do I need any kind of overhaul or does vanilla work fine?
>>319911289
you will need TFix, but it'll work fine after that.
JOIN US
>>319897058
My nigger.
