>GOAT TIER
Gehrman
Martyr Logarius
Queen Yharnam
Ludwig
Orphan of Kos
>AMAZING TIER
Father Gascoigne
Pthumerian Elder
Abhorrent Beast
Lady Maria
>OK TIER
Blood-starved Beast
Cleric Beast
Vicar Amelia
Mergo's Wet Nurse
Beast-possessed Soul
Bloodletting Beast
Forgotten Madman
Loran Darkbeast
>SHIT TIER
Darkbeast Paarl
One Reborn
Witch of Hemwick
Merciless Watcher
Watch Dog of the Old Lords
Keeper of the Old Lords
Maneater Boar
Brainsucker
Loran Silverbeast
>MEME TIER
Micolash
Amygdala
Celestial Emissary
Living Failures
>ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY TIER
Shadow of Yharnam
Ebrietas
Moon Presence
Rom
Undead Giant
Pthumerian
Laurence
All bosses in Defiled Chalice
We can all agree with this, right?
How's queen yharnam a good boss? She's probably the easiest to stun lock in the whole game.
>>319884075
>tfw I can't platinum bloodborne because I CANT FUCKING BEAT DEFILED AMYGDALA
I seriously hope DaS3 doesn't have this type of shit
>>319884075
>artificial difficulty
>>319884597
Need some help?
Helped a couple buddies of mine beat him the other night. I didn't find him too particularly hard
>Paarl
>Shit tier
>Anything but Shadows, Laurence, and Defiled in artificial difficulty
Acquire skill
>>319884891
Then again there was three of us
Pearl is mostly a pretty good boss
Its only problem is that with certain weapons it's too easy to just chain knockdowns until it's dead. But as long as you don't do that it's really cool.
>Martyr Logarius above Lady Maria
lmao
>>319884916
If Shadows are giving you problems now you can summon Madara and Henryk.
>>319885834
I just summoned other players since I played it a month after it came out
>>319884075
I want souls fags to leave
>>319885834
Why did they increase the summons in the game? It wasn't that hard before the addon and it certainly got easier with it.
>>319885987
Dunno why they did that, they changed Gascoigne and Alfred signs.
>>319884075
Defiled Amygdala and Laurence are I'm Never Playing This Fucking Game Again Tier.
The only two bosses in the entire series that I couldn't beat solo.
>>319884075
Ebrietas is still the best boss in the game you faggot
>>319884075
Moon Presence is fucking easy. Beat him on my first try.
>>319886189
And the cutest one too.
>>319884075
Shadows of Yharnam is piss easy. As long as you don't let only one of them stay alive and reach phase 3.
>>319884075
Am I the only one who thought Rom was easy?
I just fought Rom again today for the first time since I beat him months ago. And holy shit it was just as easy as before. How can anyone actually struggle with that fight?
>>319886697
His missiles got me the first few times I fought him. I assume that's what most people get angry about.
>>319886664
>>319886697
This. Rom's one of the easiest bosses in the game.
>>319886697
Probably they ignore all the spiders.
>>319886464
Some people dont realize that the 0 health thing it does actually leaves a massive window for you to both deal damage and get all that health back with rally, its literally giving you a solid 10 seconds of free hits with no repercussions, watching other people do it they panic as soon as they see the health drop and die trying to spam bloodvials.
>another Bloodborne thread
ive played and solod through every souls games all the way through multiple times, but i had to summon npc to beat ludwig
have i become a casual?
>there are people right now who didn't spend a couple hours in chalice dungeons so that they could play the best mage in a souls series to it's full potential
>>319886997
I summoned Valtr for the vermin, but Ludwig is kinda easy.
>>319884075
Literally none of the bosses are artificially difficult
>>319886997
If you were on ng, yes
if you were on ng+ or higher, not really
>>319884075
>can't lock onto the limbs of large bosses
come on now. Even DaS2 got this right when you fought large bosses, the lock on points for bosses like Paarl are just straight up garbage. I like BB a lot but it screw up a bunch of little things that detract significantly from the experience.
>>319887019
Why does the Kos Parasite do such shit damage? Who thought it was viable?
>>319887678
Do people even lock on for the larger bosses? It actually hurts you when you lock on to large enemies because the camera is all over the place, it was the same with DaS. Get the claw out and roll.
>>319887893
It's nice on amygdala because of how much room you have.
>>319887885
You just have to get used to it.
can some tell me how to get good because I literally cannot get past Cleric Beast.
>>319887885
Do you have 50 Arcane? Do you have the bloodgems to make it retarded stronk?
>>319887998
It actually does decent damage, the problem is the attack rate. It's horrible for PvE but in PvP where 4-5 hits are enough to kill people it can catch them offguard thanks to the wierd attack patterns.
>>319888079
Roll into the attacks.
Why do people think Shadows of Yarnham are unfair?
>>319888079
Shoot the head to stagger
>>319888321
They attempt to fight all three at once instead of splitting them up.
>>319884597
Hit her in her legs and she can't jump. Unless they fixed that shit.
>Shadows of Yharnam
>Difficult
What is parrying?
The long range attacks in their last form (earthquake thing, snek limbs) aren't even that damaging if you get hit by them. So long as you managed the fight properly and don't have another guy running up on you at that moment, I suppose.
>>319888084
>50 arcane
Lel
>>319886785
I always ignore the spiders and just runningback my way to hit and run on Rom.
The fight became easy when I learned how to dodge the ice missile things, just by sprinting sideways.
>>319888079
I died an embarrassing number of times to the Cleric Beast too, and I've played the shit out of every previous Souls game. He's one of the harder starter bosses in the series as far as moveset goes, and he also has quite a bit of health while you mostly likely do pretty piss-poor damage since you likely haven't levelled or upgraded your weapon (especially if you took the Threaded Cane like I did).
Never back away from its attacks, you'll just wind up endlessly backstepping until it manages to hit you. Instead always dodge diagonally forward and then try to get some hits in.while it's open. When it does the jump attack, run to where it was standing when it jumped and it should miss you. You basically just have to be consistent and chip away at it without getting greedy.
You can also try to shoot it in the face for Visceral Attacks, but that's limited and honestly it's easier to just dodge and punish over and over again.
>>319887019
What chalices am I supposed to do? I want to be tentacool, but that whole system isarcaneto me.
Also
>having difficulty with Shadows of Yharnam
Second easiest boss after the Cleric beast. Parry the sword guy, party the sword and candle guy, then just beat the shit out of the Mage. Done.
Can we add the fish guys guarding the Rakuyo to this list?
>>319889065
Shaman Bone Blade tier.
>>319887019
What does Kos Parasite have to do with chalice dungeons?
>>319889065
I just beat them last night, after the fight i felt like a naked primordial ape who just smashed his enemies skull to bits with his bare fists
>>319886879
>Making meme hats for individual games
Christ, I knew it'd get old fast but at this rate it'll get forced so much everyone's will be sick of it before 2016.
>>319889065
One of the only times I've ever had to summon
>>319884597
>tfw bought and platinumed it within a week
You can do it, Yotsuba-chan!
>>319888758
>people who don't know the joy of 50STR/50ARC tonitrus
>>319889593
>played through Bloodborne a minimum of three times within a week
Either you're a liar or the NEET's autistic final form.
>>319889804
Boring weapon
>>319889873
You can just backup your save to USB before the final boss and get all the endings that way.
I did that my second time around.
>>319889873
>HE DOESN'T PLAY HIS GAMES EVERY DAY
>>319889954
If you use it without hunter tools yes. But since you have 50 ARC you become a combat mage.
>>319889873
You can savescum to get all the endings in one play.
>>319884075
Explain what you mean by artifical difficulty
>>319890079
>>319890025
That's lame, anon.
>>319890049
I have like 600 of them, not even counting the ones I pirated. Can't play all of them, m8.
>>319889873
I'm sorry what? I go to Uni, so I'm not a NEET. And the subsequent playthroughs for the 2 missing endings took me 10 and 4 hours respectively.
>>319884075
I mostly agree, but I would move Yharnam to Ok tier, I'd move Shadow of Yharnam to Ok tier, Moon Presence in meme tier, and Id move watch dog of the old lords up to Ok tier as well.
>>319890195
OK with being lame. Played through blind the first time, and just savescummed to get the "awaken from the dream" ending.
>>319889804
>increasing all those points into bolt/blunt
Dual Holy Blade is the best thing ever. One for bolt and one for fire.
All of them are shit tier and they play all the same, there just are different shitty trial and error moves you have to avoid in different intervals.
It annoys me how people overhype those terrible From Shitware games. And I would bet both my balls OP is a NeoGAF user.
>>319890259
I think people forget how little time it actually takes to rush through this game. So much of the content is technically optional that you can basically skip most of the game if you want to. It's long if you're trying to do everything, but if you just want to get to the ending on a repeat playthrough it's arguably shorter than Dark Souls with the Master Key.
>>319888084
No matter how strong you make it it stays inferior to the Beast Claws in nearly every way except the L2.
>bloodborne
S-S-S-S-S-SILKY
S-S-SMOOTH
T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-TWENTY FP-P-P-PS
>>319889065
Parry them, I was getting fucked up until I started trying to go for parries. Did it first try, and I accidentally aggrod a brain bitch so I had to stay in the back part of the cave.
>>319890510
>person that made this ACTUALLY throught it's great gameplay worth recording
>same with this webm
Such a terrible franchise.
>>319890510
moshi moshi beito desu
>>319890552
>twenty
>implying
A game like this is basically pointless if it isn't running at constant 60 FPS. I would rather kill myself than play Monster Hunter with anything sub 30 FPS. Then, Monster Hunter is a lot more about gameplay than Souls where you're killing mobs that just hit hard and run through corridors 99 % the time.
>>319884075
How are Gehrman and Maria good bosses? They're just hunters with boring movesets.
They're no different from armored dudes from Dark Souls 2. Oh wait, humanoid bosses from DaS2 were bigger and had a unique appearance.
Orphan of Kos is a great example of a well done humanoid boss. He's unpredictable, he has some quirks and his design is disgusting and interesting at the same time.
>>319890758
>posts pre-patch
good job
>>319890545
I agree and I actually quite like that design in a Souls game. As you said, you want to explore everything on your first time through anyway, and for later playthroughs it's cool to have lots of different ways and options of approach.
If Micolash is meme tier then Gehrman, Logarius, Gascoigne and Maria are nothin personnel kid tier
>>319890629
Why does he even roll?
And why is it so random with this game which enemy/attack autotracks you and which doesn't? He porbably thought this enemy would autotrack him but it doesn't. Is there any tell or do you just have to learn all enemies inside out to know this?
And why did they think autotracking is a good idea anyway?
>>319890552
0fps on the PC version
>>319890510
So an above average player running through one of the earliest stages of the game killing easy mobs is now evidence of whether or not a games gameplay is good? Wew lad.
>>319890846
The framerate is still far from constant, especially in coop. Very far even. It's like they just didn't care.
>>319890629
>Dark Souls
>the entire point of the series is to get behind the enemy, hit, then run away to repeat until they're dead
>enemy ai is too stupid to counter this
>From tries to balance it with shockwaves
The game was getting stale by Dark Souls 1.
![[Laughter Stops].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GnRvcAC.jpg "[Laughter Stops].jpg")
>>319886997
>lvl 212
>NG+3
>Ludwig
>>319890971
>implying it's somehow different later
>implying Souls games don't become worse and worse with this fucking disgusting Izalith and Seth's Fortress, for example.
Be happy it's showing one of the not so terrible placse of this game.
>>319891039
>fps
>the entire point of the genre is to click on the head and press reload button from time to time
You can sum up everything this way.
>>319884075
>saying "objective" to justify a meme opinion
>>319888084
>bloodgems
What type do I look for? Ones to increase arcane damage?
>>319891017
No issues on my end.
>needing to co-op in the first place
Casual.
I've played through the game 3 times now, and keep wanting to create new characters to do a different build. Str, Skl, and Bloodtinge now, so I guess only Arc is left.
Am I missing anything by not doing NG+ instead?
>>319890629
The guy who made that video made it to prove those knights aren't OP. But I guess some salty faggot who probably never got past the starting areas wouldn't know that.
>>319891139
I can understand Izalith. It's acknowledged as the worst part of the game. But how is Sen's Fortress an example of bad gameplay? Because there's traps that are easily noticeable?
>>319891163
No you can't. And you won't see anyone here defending shitty FPS. There are some good FPS (or were before they got ruined) that are more than just clicking ont he head of an enemy, Team Fortress 2 anad Halo, for example.
>>319886697
First time I played the game I beat him first time, easy. Everyone online was bitching and I was laughing at all the tears. Beat him first time on my second playthrough, strengthened my belief that he was ez. My third time, on a character that I would consider better built than my previous two... failed at it for hours. Im convinced you either get lucky with the spider placement or you don't. Not that this will stop all of the fgts screaming "ez" or "gitgud" but that is my two cents.
>>319890967
Delete this
>>319891296
It's boring and filled with annoying enemies that are not hard but just annoying to take out like those sniping magician things everywhere. Just pretty shit and annoying. No redeeming factor. Also gave us the ugliest video game forest of the last generation.
>>319888079
Stay in the legs and behind it
It can't touch you there
if it turns around to hit you
roll
stay in the legs and behind
never stay in front of it
>>319891309
Mario
>hold right and jump
Zelda
>hold out shield and wait for parry
>solve a "puzzle"
Persona
>choose a word
Yea you can sum up anything like that.
>>319891472
Graphics in a game now determine if it has good gameplay? Jesus Christ. Shitposter shoo shoo.
>>319890510
>>319890629
>>319890937
>>319891472
Any reason you're shitposting about DaS1 and 2 in a BB thread?
>>319891113
I beat Ludwig NG+2 on level 120.
Not that difficult.
>>319891421
>>319890967
Why do Sony kids try to trick themselves into believing PC players want Bloodborne that much? No one cares anymore. There is Dark Sousl 3. In fact, there is a new Sousl rehash every year now. They are easy as fuck to make and everyone will be able to play it.
They're also fucking terrible games so no one should be asking for them either way if you ask me.
>>319891309
Fucking team fortress 2
>run and melee
>press button to use flamethrower
>get invisible and get behind enemy's back
>click on head
>jump and click on enemy
>hold button on enemy
You can sum up everything this way. EVERYTHING.
So I'm currently on my first playthrough and just beat Rom the spider thing and I went with casual strength build (kirkhammer).
Since bloodborne have very limited variety of weapons does it have as much replayability as dark souls? And is every style viable? such as dex/arcane/gun only build? Because it seems like since you are only limited to 20 bullets it's a much harder game if you don't go strength?
>>319891670
My first playthorugh was SKL/ARC, and my twink was STR. They are both viable. SKL/BLT is easy mode.
>>319891556
No, you can't. He explained the process in Dark Souls which is literally about you pressing the button to hold up your shield to block retarded, autotracking attacks (someone asnwer this >>319890937, please), then when you are behind them and after they have attacked, you attack them. And if there are multiple enemies, you just wait until their openings overlap.
You do this for 60 hours. Nothing but this.
You can't sum up Mario like this because it's pure gameplay and variation. You are not always just holding one button and then pressing either left or right, the gameplay in Mario is all about level design. You basically proved this with your post because you were not able to explain a process in Mario and instead just made this superficial statement.
>>319891628
Mad as fuck baby who couldn't beat the games lmfao
>Buy PS4 with Bloodborne
>Only ever beat the first boss
>Die shortly after
>10 year load time
I really want to go back and play it because I hear they 'fixed' the load times, but I have literally no motivation to do anything at all ever.
Help pls.
>>319891670
There are some weapons that scale well with every stat, so you can do any. Bloodtinge (the gun damage stat) originally didn't have many options till near the endgame (Chikage stronk), but the DLC added some good weapons for it, I think.
I just did a skill build and there were plenty of options. Stake Driver was fun to use for a while.
>>319891948
The joystick and only one button was used for that entire webm you retard.
>>319892046
If you want a spoilerino motivation, you should watch a fight against Ludwig. He's one of the best bosses ever made - he has a personality, soundtrack, design, fair mechanics and a lot of backstory.
>>319891203
This is what you want on your kos parasite
>>319891980
When will people stop with this "souls games are hard" meme.
The "community" literally reeks of of - "hey look at me I am hardcore gamer cause I beat these games".
>>319891309
>Halo
>good fps
Nicely memed
>>319891948
>that
>curazy
>this is what nintentoddlers believe
>>319891643
>he does it again
You are not explaining the process, you are just explaining what you would see on TV. To get invisible, you actually should stab someone first which requires you to perfectly stealth and be smart, then you have to scroll or press a shortcut to equip your watch, then you have to actually be clever and sneak up to someone in a certain place and let him hit you and hurt you and then when you're almost dead you actually take out your watch which will turn you invisible and make your opponent believe you're dead.
Not even taliking about rocketjumping, airborne kills or engineer in general.
You're doing the fucking same shit in every Souls game for 60 hours. It's an overhyped shit franchise by casuals and NeoFAGs. Accept it.
>>319892180
And we just ignore how you have to use tilt controls a million times more divergently and precicely here >>319891948
than here >>319891628? Because that totally doesn't matter, right?
You are not in the position to call anyone a retard.
>>319891948
Found the nintenbabby. Of course you would be in this thread.
>>319892524
>And we just ignore how you have to use tilt controls a million times more divergently and precicely
LMFAO
>>319892391
I won't accept it.
Jesus fucking christ, are you blind? You scream at people who like Dark Souls while everyone jerks off to the Witcher 3, in which you can beat bosses by pressing triangle in front of their face. And I'm not even joking, I fucking stunlocked Eredin to death before the patch.
I'm not trying to say that you should criticize other games, I'm trying to show you how bad modern games are. Dark Souls is pretty fucking good in comparison to most of the shit that was released in this and previous generation.
>>319892531
>>319892386
I hate Mario, it's the only Mario related thing I have on my hard drive, it's just a million times better than From shit and I don't like people lying on the internet and implying Mario gameplay isn't more varied than Souls shit.
>>319891628
>make a joke
>"I NEVER SAID I WANTED THE GAVE ON PC!!!"
Jesus how pathetic.
>>319884075
Gehrman is far from a good boss. Maria is much better and far more of a "real" fight with a hunter as she doesn't gain super armor for no reason forcing you to use one strategy.
>>319892607
You literally just have to press your stick to either the left or the right here and then press the attack button here, and this is an absolute end game enemy: >>319890629
This was the webm people talked about. Theg ameplay is shit in those games.
Why are Souls fans so delusional and aggressive?
>>319892738
>I won't accept it.
See this guy.
>>319892782
Mhm. Yea sure.
>>319892932
I won't accept something I don't believe in. You can't punch your opinion down my throat.
>>319892738
>talks shit about TF2
>le you can sum up every game like this
>gets proven wrong
>completely ignores the point and starts talking about Witcher 3 for some reason which is an actual RPG and doesn't even give much of a fuck about combat to begin with
OK
>>319892234
Holy fucking shit, where do you get these gems, in the Chalice dungeons??
>>319892782
Shhh... its ok little nintentoddler, the big bad From games won't hurt you anymore.
>>319892954
>this delusional
Would you 'fight' her?
>>319886554
Yeah but that's really the problem. Artificial difficulty isn't really just based on being actually hard. Yeah the boss is easy in the same way that DaS2 Throne guardians are. Problem is that fights like that and Rom are just a fucking patience test unless you roll the dice and run in swinging. Doesn't make it a good fight at all. The bosses should be working together in some way that exposes weaknesses. If they just attack whenever they want the fight becomes an endurance test like it already is.
>>319892782
Holy shit, how can some people be jaded this didn't become GotY?
>>319893140
All FRC I assume
Watchers in Isz, Keepers for Arc scaling, and I think ARC+% is Silverbeast
HOW DO I BEAT LUDWIG FUCK
>>319893140
Yeah, you'll have to go into FRC Depth 5 ones. Thankfully, those "cold" and "arcane" gems are really easy to get once you unlock those particular dungeons.
>>319893121
How did you prove me wrong? You said that Dark Souls is shit again and you have to 'perfect stealth kill someone'. Wow, you recognized that I missed something on purpose.
Just like you didn't care about a lot of shit in Dark Souls that doesn't require you to just backstab.
I didn't try to prove you that TF2 is simple and bad, I was trying to prove you that you can sum up everything in an ignorant way.
>>319886779
That somehow makes it good?
>>319893303
Playstation fanboys because it's an exclusive. Also casuals that love From shit in general because it makes them feel hardcore when they've finished it since it's marketed as hardcore.
NeoGAF loves those games. I wonder how many here actually are from there.
>>319893287
I'd rather fight her
>>319884597
First half just keep your distance and wait till it falls down it takes awhile though.
Second half when it rips it's arms off you need to stay close to it.
>>319893213
>minute+ post
>same structure
>IP count stays the same
>same shit webms and pics
>I'm not samefagging I swear!
>>319893354
Are you on New Game+? If so, get some help from Valtr.
If not, then git gud. He's perfectly beatable without any help.
>>319893303
Are you implying that aggro range/area isnt a thing in other games? Even Witcher 3 had it, come on now.
>>319886697
>>319886779
>>319893423
Funfact: Rom is the boss that has been nerfed the most in Bloodborne
>>319893345
You're way off.
The ARC% triangle comes from the Watchers in Isz and the Cold Abyssal radials come from the Pthumerian Elder in Pthumeru Ihyll at layer 3 or higher.
I want tohug_the doll!
>>319893629
Treat doll with care, therefore remember sticky thing.
>>319893345
>>319893360
>FRC
Fetid...Rotted...Chalice? Right?
>fuck I'm stupid
>>319893428
Does NeoGAF have any community at all? As a yuropoor I haven't ever heard of it aside from anons on /v/ trying to call someone a Neofag while Reddit and 4chan are pretty popular
>>319887434
Some of them literally are the definition of artificially difficult. They just add more instead of new. It's lazy to just add 3 of the same enemy or multiple enemies instead of harder moves sets or enemies that ACTUALLY work together in a meaningful way unlike some of them which just haphazardly attack on their own whim. It makes them easy if you twiddle your thumbs waiting for a proper opening (or cheese with super powered gear and Beast Blood) but punishes players trying to actually fight and exploit weaknesses by randomly having AI attack out of order. Its easy but boring and artificial.
>>319893421
Summing up. This fight against one of the absolute endgame enemies in Dark Souls like this one user did it was not ignorant, though, it was on point. You target lock it, you press in one direction, you wait until it attacked, you attack it. You do this for 60 hours. If there are two enemies, you either run away or just wait until their openings overlap.
Now bosses actually add some variety, they want you to block one or another attack and be careful, abusing iframes and parrying is rewarded, too. The cheap trial and error attacks kill it for me, though. I also hate abusing iframes, feels terrible.
>>319893287
Makes me wonder what she would be like as a boss fight. I'd think she'd make an electricity attack similar to OoK, since it DOES come from her corpse when he enacts it
>>319893758
It's not abusing iframes when it's an intended mechanic, they put the iframes in for a reason
>>319884075
>any of those bosses
>artificial difficulty
How does it feel to be terrible at video games?
Even the Defiled bosses are fair, it's just a test of your skills. No more falling back on excess health and the rally system, dodge every fucking attack.
Watchdog just needs smart, fast dodging. Amygdala can be cheesed with any Bloodtinge build but is especially easy now with the Bowblade.
>>319893689
"Fetid, Rotted, and Cursed."
I can explain how to unlock it if you want./bbg/ even has a guide that tells you how to get them quickly.
>>319893689
Fetid+Rotted+Cursed
Cursed halves your health and causes Cursed gems to drop, which are the super high-level ones that also come with a downside like health drains while the weapon is out, or less damage against beasts, whatever.
Rotted makes more powerful mob-types show up in the dungeons, and drop BETTER items
Fetid makes enemies overall stronger, and makes them drop MORE items.
These three effects combine into "Kill the Watchers, get a gem that gives you +27% physical damage and +3% stamina costs or whatever"
>>319884075
>Loran Darkbeast
>literally a boss fight against the camera
>ok tier
>>319892782
If you're trying to imply that the pathing of the AI is bad, this particular hunter tries to draw you into a spot where you'll be killed by the gatling gun above you. That's why it constantly backs off.
>>319892782
>comparing Bloodborne and Mario
I mean, why? The things that make Mario good are obviously not the same as the things that make Bloodborne good, it's a meaningless comparison
>>319893758
Look we all know you cried because you couldn't beat the games but please try to be less obvious with your shitposting.
>>319893915
>fighting Loran Darkbeast in chalice dungeon
>he attacks when I'm close to him, camera freaks out and removes my lock-on
>no idea where he went
>turn around
>he's attacking a wall
>mfw even the AI is getting confused
>You're in the know right?
This is my favourite Message in any Souls game. What's yours?
>>319893629
>>319893887
>I can explain how
Oh thank god
I'm also trying to get to Yharnam, but currently getting rekt by the Watchdog
>>319893482
Maybe they should give the enemies a more varied moveset then and don't just make them jump like retards over and over again? Or heal themselves over a short time when you left their aggro zone, or make the zone bigger. Or actually make them hit less ridicously hard but give them some more health so cheap methos like this aren't as good as they are.
Then... I'm talking about the game where you can just shoot enemies that are 15 feet away with an arrow for 10 minutes and they don't move an inch.
>>319892234
Do you have a video playing with that shit?
>>319888321
It's not unfair. It's just a terrible fucking boss. See below.
>>319888614
This is literally the only viable way of fighting the boss. Humanoid mob bosses are incredibly played out, for one. And the only way they can be faught is by playing an incredibly defensive, patient play-style, for two. It's incredibly fucking boring; no fight should require you to play one, boring style. It's Throne Watchers-tier where the challenge of the fight is to not get so bored from fucking back-strafing that you spontaneously decide to become aggressive for an instant and get mobbed.
>>319894116
>let's take Paarl and let's make him bigger!
>but don't decrease his speed, fuck that!
>fuck yeah, what could go wrong?
Whoever came up with this shit needs to be fired
>>319894260
Wow you're so mad about games you clearly didn't play/beat. You went out of your way to defend TF2 mechanics, meaning you're probably some poor little shit with a shit tier pc that can only play F2P games. It must suck being this much of salty little brat.
Bloodborns is the best game ever made and the best souls game.
I used to love demon's dark souls, but even I think they're trash after playing based bloodborne
>>319884075
game that didnt win shit
even Her Story took some awards
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>>319890109
I disagree with some of his list but understand where he's coming from.
Ebrietas is mostly okay but her dash attack sometimes catches the player with a massive invisible hitbox at the back/side of her body even though your out of the way. Other than that she's not terrible.
Shadow of Yharnam is artificial. It doesn't mean they're hard. It just means the devs chose a lazy way to make a boss. The boss itself is interesting as it goes through phases. But the initially fight is boring and uninspired. Another three bosses at once that are exactly the same (minus a couple attacks). I mean come on. It's either really easy or really cheap depending on how their AI chooses to work. It makes the fight unengaging and boring most of the time and infuriating when they just happen to fuck you in all the right ways for no good reason.
Rom is literally the definition of artificial difficulty. The fight isn't particularly hard. It's literally just a humongous patience test of waiting for opportunities and hoping you don't get caught by "that one attack" which to be fair is usually easy to avoid but sometimes if you don't kill adds then their positions/moves fuck you into a hit. So the fight isn't fun but can be beaten with ease by just being sitting around hitting attack once or twice every 30 secs. It's fucking boring.
>>319894026
It's not me who came up with Mario.
>>319894049
Thanks for portraying the worst kind of Souls fan, the edgy 12 year old who thinks those games are super hard and they make you some special snowflake. They are not hard, they just have some shitty, cheap tricks here and there punishing impatience. When people criticise From games, they criticise a terrible framerate (when games like this should have targeted 60 FPS), boring locations that lack variety, bad, repeating gameplay with you doing the same shit over and over again, cheap trial and error, disgustign optimisation on PC, level design that basically never wants you to use your brain when even Resident Evil 4 has 2-3 decent puzzles and some compelx segments, by far the worst archery a game has ever done with the AI not reacting to damage when they're a few feet away from you and you not being able to look up or down, clipping issues, enemies hitting through walls, "shockwaves"/ghost hits, lack of music, lack of story or interesting characters, some design decisions that are just completely fucking terrible like that windmill "puzzle" in Dark Souls 2, hidden places that want you to hit a wall without any hints to enter them, some enemies autotracking you like retards and somes don't, enemy arrows pushing you into the opposite direction you hold your shield instead the opposite direction they come from which can lead to cheap deaths (one reason Anor Londo is so terrible) and so, so, so much more. Has nothing to do with difficulty itself.
>>319894260
Youre currently crusading to discredit a game you have no interest in when you could be investing in games you actually like. You are literally wasting your life m8, by all means continue though, Im going to go play the game now and enjoy it, and youll still be here still, sperging out over nothing.
>>319894910
(cont'd)
Moon presence isn't really that much of a problem except the cheap random flailing that forces any non-magic player to sit and watch unless you want to risk getting instantly fucked by the AOE or dropping bodies while your stunlocked by legs.
Undead Giant is completely fine. Just need to learn his attacks. The AOE explosion sometimes catches the player for no reason and if your close enough its impossible to avoid the slash + chains attack because you have to dodge to avoid the first attack and then half a second later when iframes have ended the chain comes in. It's not horrible and is predictable so you can usually get out of the way. But it catches you in the wrong position and there's not really anything the player can hope to do but get hit, which is an instant kill on defiled chalices so I get that part. The base fight (not defiled) is fine though.
Pthumerian can't speak to. Haven't gotten there.
Laurence also can't speak to.
>>319894586
Uh, I played all of them. Nice post, great argument. And I'm sure you actually played all those games you shitpost about.
>>319894965
Confirmed mad and salty as fuck. lol
>>319894248
Are you fighting the Watchdog in Defiled? If so, you're already pretty close to, not only Yharnam, but also to being able to make your own FRC dungeons.
Basically, when you try and make a "root" dungeon, there are three options you can check in order to activate "rites". They are the words I mentioned in my previous post:
>Fetid, which powers up enemies and raises drop rates.
>Rotted, which causes more dangerous enemies to appear.
>Cursed, which halves your health, but causes enemies to drop bloodgems that, despite having a "curse" or downside to them, are more powerful than anything else you can obtain in the main game.
Activating these rites makes dungeons way more perilous, but the rewards are way better, and spelunking through Depth 5 FRC dungeons with a friend is a lot of fun. Anyway, these rites require materials in order to activate, so you have to make sure you have enough materials before you attempt to start up a ritual. Thankfully, you don't really have to spend materials in order to play through more FRC dungeons. Once you make your own, you can search for other players' chalices through the chalice dungeon search. For example:
>Anon gathers the proper materials for an FRC Ihyll.
>Anon activates all three rites and creates the dungeon for the first time.
>Anon can now search for other dungeons of the same depth and with whatever curses he wants as long as he has obtained the root versions of the other chalices. (Isz and Lower Loran, in this case.)
So there you go! I think I pretty much summed it up.
>>319894965
>file
seeing shit like this makes me feel proud ignoring my Neet friend that wants to get me into souls every day. i think you must be completely fucked in the head to like those games.
Someone tell me if I need the expansion for the NPC summons to be available in the chalice dungeons
>>319895102
>m
>lol
You showed him. Let him recover from that.
XD
>>319895192
>>319895087
>>319894965
>still samefagging
baka
@319884075
None of those in the top tier are goats.
>>319895102
Confiremd NeoGAF user.
>>319884075
>>GOAT TIER
>Gehrman
Literally how? The fight is easy as shit and choreographed like fuck.
>>319895358
Have this, my delusional friend.
>>319895428
>not this
>>319895506
How can you not enjoy your phantom rangeing?
>>319895137
Thanks man, much appreciatedPSN Tripjet
>>319895506
You know its not hard to tell right? You post on the minute and always place a period after each statement, all the while the poster count stays the same. Shitposting is an art, get better at it.
>>319895679
>it's legit
>>319884075
>Orphan of Kos that high
Nigga what are you doing. He's a tough fight, but not for a good reason. He flails around like a retard for the whole fight and hits like a freight train, failing to predict just two of his moves can get you killed.
>>319895679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQsMPf3FK4o
get gud scrub
This boss beat my ass hard.
Just did the Hintertomb chalices for the heck of it, man the madmen boss is pretty neat. Too bad it's not in the izs rotation. it's so much more fun than the same old boring 3 fat dudes
>Maybe they should give the enemies a more varied moveset then and don't just make them jump like retards over and over again?
But Bloodborne has the best enemies in any of the Fromsoft Souls-type games thus far. The parasite Wolves in the Nightmare has an extendable claw, can attack with parasites out of its mouth, has regular slashing and jumping attacks, has an AoE attack and can also change into the ground based form that gives it more mobility and switches its move-set. There are also parasite Wolves that wield Torches and can add that to their move-set in order to breathe fire.
The Cathedral Ward enemies with the lamps and masks come in many variations. They vary in design with high Insight. As far as I'm aware they can wield the flamethrower, a Cross like weapon, a cane like weapon, and a Scythe. They also have a homing projectile.
I'm not going to list every enemy that falls under this criteria, but I'm simply showing you examples of how they improved the enemy design. There are far more variations of the same enemy type and they have much more complex move-sets. This simply cannot be disputed.
>Or heal themselves over a short time when you left their aggro zone, or make the zone bigger.
"Hurr durr they shouldn't be allowed to pick a defensive option when you pick a defensive option." -You
>Or actually make them hit less ridicously hard but give them some more health so cheap methos like this aren't as good as they are.
Wut.
>Then... I'm talking about the game where you can just shoot enemies that are 15 feet away with an arrow for 10 minutes and they don't move an inch.
Wrong. Enemies like the hooded creatures, the Ticks, the Cathedral enemies, almost any Wolf type enemy, and so on have large aggro ranges and good speed. You cannot camp like that; please stop making false claims.
>>319895714
Mine isAudelainne.I usually play on weekends so if you ever want to co-op or something, just send me a request and I'll get back to you whenever I can.
Have fun!
>>319895252
>>319895252
>>319895252
Anyone know?
>solo ludwig easily, 6 tries before I figure out you can get him stuck on the balcony
>get fucking raped by living failures at least 20 times
>feel like a massive shitter
>give in and summon someone and feel ashamed
>beat orphan of kos on my third try
I don't know what's wrong with me.
>>319895952
Forgot to quote: >>319894260
>>319895982
No you don't. Old hunter summons are free to everyone.
>>319895836
How is this combat better than Witcher 3 which also has 10/10 music, 10/10 dialogues, 10/10 epxloration, 10/10 cities, 10/10 story, 10/10 graphics and decision making on top of just combat?
Everything I see in this video is pressing left or right and roll to avoid getting hit every 15 seconds.
>>319895730
>everyone who is making use of punctuation and isn't a degenerate From retard is a samefag
More of this.
>>319896092
Thank you kind anon. I'll be playing some more chalice dungeons soon then. I plan on getting the expansion closer to Christmas when I'll have more free time
>>319884597
Fucking this. Everytime I take it slow and get it low he decides to jump and I get instantly killed. great boss is great
>>319896207
I see you're starting to follow my advice. But the poster count still gives it away. I suggest resetting the router a few times for specific thread you're trying to shitpost in.
>>319895952
>But Bloodborne has the best enemies in any of the Fromsoft Souls-type games thus far.
This sure says a lot.
>this is considered the best boss ever in a video game by NeoGAF users/Souls fans.
>>319896095
It isn't.
Dark Souls 2 isn't indicative of the rest of the series. Especially not Bloodborne.
>>319895869
The fact that he genuinely spooked the shit out of me at all times didn't help either.
>Martyr in GOAT
Nigger's parrybait.
Move Maria up to GOAT tier, even if she's parrybait she's satisfying to fight.
Keeper of the Old Lords is better than shit, but not by much. Just too easy.
>>319896051
It happens to me too, anon. Sometimes I just have a hard time focusing, so I will drop the sticks and come back and play when my mind is right.
>>319896095
The frog prince, the sand magician, Olgierd, Caretaker, Imlerith, Keira Metz, the Kraken and Draugiers in WItcher 2 are legitimately good fights and better than 99 % the fights in Souls games.
And Witcher doesn't even need good combat because it has those things you mentioned.
>>319896492
Maria fought without parryspam is satisfying as fuck.
>>319884075
people actually think Rom is hard? I beat her second try
>>319896404
So you cherry-picked some part of my post in order to make some irrelevant response.
Ok.
>>319884916
Shadows are easy. You're just bad
>>319896095
So in this segment they show off the dodging mechanic.
I don't see your point? How does this detract from the depth of the Bloodborne combat system?
>>319896795
I know, I fought her using an arcane Beast Cutter for fun and it was pretty good.
>want to have some good gems
>they only come from the late chalices
>no motivation at all to finish those garbage story chalices on my second character
why is this allowed
>>319896873
Nothing forces people to read a 200 signs long rant from a jaded From fanboy eventually telling us how Souls changed his life.
>>319897005
Pssshh, BB combat is the same with mortphs and sidesteps which should already be in Demon's Souls.
>>319897026
>Makes semi-serious post trying to reason and make points
>All of the points get shut-down
>Literally quotes a random part of the post and provides some meaningless response
>Gets called out on it
>hurr durrr im just a shitposter
Ok. Have fun being retarded.
>>319891113
>>319891609
try 240 at NG+5, its a damn nightmare
>tfw we got a remake of DaS2 that is 1080p 60fps
>this will never happen for DeS or DaS
>Console Dark Souls will forever be entombed in vaseline
>>319894270
Not him, but I have a short vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Fvg8Vug6Y
>>319897124
DeS has armor and shields. Side-stepping with those two things would ruin the game.
>>319897491
just play it on PC nigga
>>319884075
>Including a meme tier yet again
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>>319897651
That explosion is broken as fuck
>This one salty as fuck Anti-Souls guy
Fucking hell. What did these games do to you that you felt you had to save all of these cherrypicked webms so you could tell us how shit you think the games are?
Did you die twenty times at the Asylum Demon and declare the game shit? Or more likely, you've never played the games but you see people talking about them all the time, and for whatever reason this angers you so you go full contrarian and hate on it just for the fact that it's popular.
Good job, fag.
>>319884075
>Ebrietas
>hard
I literally just R2 chained charged ludwig's holy sword stabs into her ass and sides since they would make her stagger
>>319897918
Dont, just let them get on with it.
>>319897779
I bought it a long time ago and got tired of GFWL, even though Dasfix was fucking amazing. How is GFWL not dead yet?
>>319897016
You can get 22% phys/adept gems of all shapes, including droplets, from the Winter Lanterns in the DLC. That's pretty good assuming you're not running an ARC build.
>>319884075
'>Logarius
>Ohh, I'm going to stand here and chuck fuckhuge deathballs at you all day
>Locking on LOL, Have a wave of skulls that are near undodgable unless you're standing right under me or roll through them
>Rushing me? Insta explode skull that knocks you down and sets you up for a scythe swipe faggot
>Oh you're actually pretty good at this, guess what, I'm going to fuck you over and become invincible to the one mechanic in the game that lets you defend yourself in lieu of a shield
>logarius
>GOAT
Fuck you. And before the usual git gud, I've already beat him all the way to ng+7. he is simply not a good boss or fun.
>people have trouble with ludwig's 2nd form
>people have trouble with the orphan of Kos
I don't understand. Just get behind them. The first time I ever got to Ludwig's 2nd form was when I won, easily. Kos took me about 6 tries but even my very first try got it down to 20% health
So if I want a physical copy of the old hunters I have no choice but to buy the european version?
>>319898304
>wave of skull
>undodgeable
Literally what, it's super easy to dodge through them and get free hits in
>>319897865
Yeah parasite is a good weapon. Not sure why people ITT are saying it has bad damage, I hit 350+ on most people and 400+ on R1/dash attack to people with poor arcane resistance, which is comparable damage to most fast top tier weapons. It's a bit slower than them, but not as slow as say, Ludwig's or Kirk, and has hyper armor on some of the attacks. The dash attack also has incredible range, the longest in the game outside of maybe tricked Beast Cutter R2. Then you have the L2, which with the right gems will do 1000+ damage.
I don't think it's top tier or anything, but much more viable than Beast mode for sure.
>>319898194
Rejoice anon GFWL is dead
Dark Souls has been steamworks for over a year now
>>319884075
What is funny is that I have ALLWAYS 1st tried the "artificial difficulty" bosses since my 1st blind run.
I don't even know their whole movesets because they are all like fighting warm butter with a hot knife.
The only hard bosses in the game are KOS and Laurence. And KOS is pisseasy too once you get the hang of it - but at least he -initially- was a though boss.
>>319884075
>i can't beat it so it's artificial difficulty
they already patched out the tracking you piss baby.
>>319898304
Do you not know what telegraphing is?
>>319896309
Abuse those invincibility frames before it lands
>>319884075
>Ebriatas
>Not Amazing
Otherwise I'm mostly in agreement.
Is there a level cap that I should stop at if I'm gonna be doing an NG+whateverthemaxis run? I capped myself at 100 to do PVP but I have a feeling that is not going to cut it past NG+3 at the maximum.
>>319898304
>Ohh, I'm going to stand here and chuck fuckhuge deathballs at you all day
You mean when he puts his Scythe into the ground and the Red energy orb comes out above you? That attack is incredibly easy to dodge, but maybe you are talking about something else.
>Locking on LOL, Have a wave of skulls that are near undodgable unless you're standing right under me or roll through them
You can easily use the sloped nature of the area to be under him. You can also easily dodge in between the skulls -- not just through them. I don't see the problem.
>Rushing me? Insta explode skull that knocks you down and sets you up for a scythe swipe faggot
The "explode skull" is where he lets out the little skull and then triggers it, right? That's very easy to react to.
>Oh you're actually pretty good at this, guess what, I'm going to fuck you over and become invincible to the one mechanic in the game that lets you defend yourself in lieu of a shield
Does he become invincible to parrying in the 3rd part of the fight? I only ever used my gun to interrupt some of his attack animations during that part.
I wonder if you can also destroy the sword when he puts it in the ground; I always overshoot my attacks.
Is there any way of getting the DLC weapons early in a new game without getting wrecked.
>>319884075
But that list is totally wrong, OP
>>319899172
*Destroy the sword with your gun.
