After replaying FF7 on PS4 it really proved to me that it's a good thing that turn-based combat combat is dead. It's still a great game but the combat is boring as fuck, thank god for that 3x speed increase option.
ITT: ADHD
okay, now play ffx-2 and tell me that battle system is "dead" and wouldn't have worked for a remake
>>319651684
>playing some weebshit moecrap galge
Are there differences in the PS4 version of FF7 compared to the original PSX one?
>>319650703
After playing it a couple of months ago it proved to me the complete opposite, funny how you're not the only person with subjective opinions.
>>319652045
Right looks better.
>it's a good thing that turn-based combat combat is dead. It's still a great game but the combat is boring as fuck
this board is 18+
It's slow as shit combat and lacks any skill at all, I don't see how anyone can justify it.
Bravely Default's combat gets tedious and boring for me
but Trails in the Sky's combat i always find engaging
I think it has to do with characters performing the action as soon as you pick a command
>>319650703
>After replaying FF7 on PS4 it really proved to me that it's a good thing that turn-based combat combat is dead. It's still a great game but the combat is boring as fuck, thank god for that 3x speed increase option.
I remember back in the day when pokemon red and blue came out, I played red a lot on the game boy, but when I got stadium, and you could play the gameboy games on the N64 using stadium, there was a way to speed things up extremely, and I always did that
I never felt like I needed to before when I played it on the gameboy, but the moment the speedup became an option, I always used it, cause I could, and there was no way not to
so I think it's just a matter of being used to something and having options available to you, the moment you have these options, and you get used to them, you feel like you need them, when really, looking back, I never think that I did
I remember using that on emulators too, playing old NES final fantasy games, not just for combat, but even for walking around
there was also always something that made it feel wrong to me when I sped things up
>>319651556
>ITT: ADHD
also this
>>319652753
>there was no way not to
no reason not to*
This type of trolling reminds me of /v/ in 2006 when people were saying Fallout 3 will be better because "Fallout 1/2 turn-based combat was slow and gay. DEAL WITH IT, FAGG0TS!"
>>319652893
>comparing FF7 shitty combat to Fallout
weeb faggot
If this shit was in western games and not Japanese games you would all hate it.
>>319652893
And here we are, FO3 is a genuine GOAT contender, while 1 and 2 are fading into obscurity. Way to pick an example that works against you.
>>319653101
>Fallout 3
>GOAT
Ahahahaha!
>>319650703
no patience anon? not enough sparkly lights for you? impatient?
>>319653134
You sure told him, skeeter!
>>319653000
>shitty combat
Guess you never figured out materia huh?
"ILL JUST PUT FIRE ON EVERYTHING XD"
I want serious answers as to why you faggots think turn-based is better than real action, you seriously can't say that it is.
>>319650703
>It's still a great game, but the gameplay is bad
How the fuck do you think it's a good game, then, you cunt?
>>319650703
Yeah but how is subbing it for the braindead gameplay of FFXV any better? Simply by not being ATB it's better?
It's still boring as shit except now you're pressing the buttons more.
>>319650703
While I didn't think it was boring as fuck, I was surprised how slow the combat felt, having not played FF7 for a few years. It could definitely use at least the FF13 treatment.
FF7 was slow as fuck but had ATB, they just needed to increase framerate and battlespeed.
Also, yes, FO1 and 2 sucked donkey cocks except some funny flavor text, get your nostalgia goggles of (also, morrowind was brown shit).
>>319653251
>a clusterfuck of animations, camera swirling, button mashing, and QTEs
>"real action"
Turn based combat can be really engaging if it's difficult and balanced around needing buffs, status ailments and really anything other than 'use strongest attack or elemental magic they're weak to'
Etrian Odyssey and Shin Megami Tensei do a great job of making it engaging.
>>319653368
>It could definitely use at least the FF13 treatment.
shitify it?
>>319653410
It's ok to admit you're shit at at games and need this baby practise to help you get through it, anon. You could even get mommy to grind those levels out for you when it's too hard.
>>319653251
If I wanna play DMC I'll play DMC, all this crap in VII and XV is simply watered down crap.
I agree, it does get boring after about 3 hours of "use water spell on fire based enemy, use enemy skill> beta otherwise"
Did anyone ever play the FF's with active time ATB at full speed? Before you find your spell/enemyskill/item to use you get attacked 3 times. You especially have to pay attention to enemies with high speed or haste, this is also way more pronounced in FFXII
>>319651684
I hope the remake uses something like LR combat only instead of different schemata you have different characters
>>319652063
This.
Replayed it not too long ago and had a great time.
OP is just mad that he can't play DMC even on easy automatic, so he needs easy-mode button mash games like Crisis core to scratch his action-game itch.
>>319653527
I'm talking about speed of combat while still retaining the ATB aspect of it.
>>319653606
VII and XV use a variation of the ATB, really nothing like DMC unlike you played some DMC where Dante had to wait seconds between attacks.
>>319653773
>Projecting this much
I've beat all of them on DMD and I've beat NG2 on MNM. Jrpgs are a fucking joke for gameplay and difficulty.
>>319653820
That's the problem, it's not DMC but wants to be, combat is therefore shittier in XV/VIIR
>>319652893
To be fair, Fallout 3 maintained the primary element of the what the turn-based mechanics were used to represent (action points and the like).
If you refused to shoot outside VATS, the game still could be played similarly to 1 and 2.
Similarly, the Remake still uses an ATB element, primarily represented by the red bar, as mentioned by Kitase.
>>319653905
Then why put action-gameplay in them if it's still going to be a shitty joke version of actual action games like DMC?
Ever thought that maybe JRPGs just aren't for you?
People saying real time > turn based need to understand that turn based offers different gameplay options and that one is not necessarily superior to the other.
>>319653693
I did and I never had problems
Besides XII has gambits so you can automize
>>319654063
I just don't get why people don't want to actually play the games themselves. If it's a lack of skill then I don't mind but people should at least say that's the reason.
>>319653905
>Jrpgs are a fucking joke for gameplay and difficulty.
Then why play them?
>>319654229
I don't but replaying FF7 showed me how archaic they are.
>>319654180
You never had problems because you have meteorain before the fucking Sector 7 plate fell and thus grossly overpowered.
>>319654229
Because they have good stories
>>319651556
(You): Casual
>>319654348
Oh come on now, their stories are as good as WRPG ones.
Meaning they're not good at all.
>>319654189
But we ARE playing the games. Are you saying that Hearts of Iron and Europa Universalis aren't games, because of the very theoretical nature of thsoe games?
Are you saying that Starcraft is a bad game, because "lol you just order someone else to shoot the zerglings, no skill required".
If a turn-based game is too easy, then the fault is that the game is too easy, but that's not the fault of the gameplay itself.
Dynasty warriors is as action-y as it gets, but I can't exactly say I'm having much trouble mowing down the enemies in those games.
>>319654189
>I just don't get why people don't want to actually play the games themselves
Because they just want to shitpost. You think the motherfuckers shitting on turn-based gameplay have actually invested time into a game with it, let alone one that's engaging?
Hell do you think the people who shit on JRPG's in general have played any of them for longer than 5 minutes?
People here can't be neutral about games or genres, they have to hate 'em or love 'em.
>>319654170
Tell that to the turn based fags who make 20 threads are day saying "turn based da best".
These annoying fuckers are ruining all the FF7 threads.
>>319654486
WRPG studios hire actual distinguished writers, the japs hire some notalented LN author to write his masturbatory shit
>>319654486
>implying FFX didn't make you cry
I want the platinum dick suckers to leave.
Turn based combat offers far more depth and strategy compared to button mashing qte fests.
>>319654612
Sure, it made me cry.
That I payed money for it and the future of the franchise.
>>319654663
btw i've never played an arpg
>>319654574
The guy you're responding to actually AGAINST turn-based gameplay, anon.
>>319650703
They couldve added a speed up battle function.
Bravely Default has it.
But no, Square Enix hates us and they are pandering to the God of War crowd instead.
>>319650703
>turn-based combat
Fuck you
>>319653743
I wish they remake all of the FF13 trilogy using the LR combat but with multiple characters of course.
https://strawpoll.me/6227936
VERY IMPORTANT POLL PLEASE VOTE
>>319654930
Where's the "people who think strawpoll polls mean anything need to off themselves" option?
>>319654930
>somehow because it has action it means it won't be casual
fuck is wrong w/ u
>>319654930
FF7 never had turn based system, you eejit
>>319654930
Your pic speaks volumes about you m8
pls give me some games with god tier turn battle systems.
FF is just casual trash with no strategy outside spaming attack button or spamming strongest spell + minor shit.
>>319655291
grandia but it's still pretty easy
>>319654795
this
>>319654883
That would be fun
Full party partecipation would be great too
It's funny how many people use the buzzword "gameplay" as if it meant something.
Every game has its way to make you interact with the world inside and every genre is easy as fuck to play when you get into how to play it, JRPG turn based is not exception.
>>319655291
Baten Kaitos tbqh
You know why I like the 'realtime' action of the VIIR? Because it's a new game, I can always, at any time, even right now replay the turned based ATB game and mod it.
>>319650703
It would be fine if it was turn based and not a horseshit half step
>>319654930
Why the fuck do you fuckers never have any inbetween option in polls or "fuck off polls are stupid"
>>319654602
>WRPG studios hire actual distinguished writers
Whatever you say, Bioware!
>>319655291
Baten Kaitos Origins
Live A Live
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Breath Of Fire 4
FF 4 Heroes Of Light
Grandia 1 & 2
SMT 4
Chrono Cross (it's easy tho)
Mega Man Battle Network 2 (does this one count?)
Romancing Saga (PS2 version)
Romancing Saga 3
Saga Frontier 2
try those
>>319650703
There's a reason turn based system is dead and literally no ones wants it in the remake.
>>319650703
Turn based is 10 times better than the "hack and slash" hybrid we got with the 15 demo.
It can be tweaked to still be entertaining. Look at X-2, and XII
>>319655749
>SMT 4
FUCK. OFF.
>>319655749
forgot Lufia 2, and probably others
>>319655291
Etrian Odyssey IV
Etrian Odyssey Untold
Etrian Odyssey II Untold
Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky
>>319655838stay mad
>>319651684
Aside from being able to change your class in the middle of battle the battlesystem was garbage.
>>319655749
>Live A Life
>see this shit hyped for a decade
>finally obtain ROM with English patch
>game is hideous
>battle system is abysmal
>>319656097
the only thing abysmal here is your taste tbqh family
>>319654170
This is true, honestly I dont know if I could play the FFVII remake with turn based battles though, it would look a bit awkard on top of the likely fixes to broken materia pairs that actually made battles not last fucking forever.
Is there a more casual system than turn based?
It''s literally choose the attack button then watch the system do everything for you.
It has no thinking involved, no need of quick reflex, any kind of skills.
That's why only women and old people like turn based system.
>>319656251
Holy fuck this caused Brental Floss flashbacks and now I want to kill myself
>>319656251
>"I have no idea what I'm talking about!"
>>319656251
I'd like to see this dipshit play Chess or Go lmfao
>>319656251
>It has no thinking involved
Just like Chinese Checkers
>tfw I genuinely like turn based combat
Sad the genre is dying due to garbage like Neptunia but I could give less of a fuck about a FF7 remake. At least Atlus is smart enough to realize that some people still want to play turn based games
What's funny is that they tried this with Dirge of Cerberus and it was a steaming pile of shit.
>>319656421
>That feel when Dad taught me chess but hated Turn based RPGs.
This retarded comparison has gone too far.
>>319650703
>thank god they are changing the game to FF7: NFL Blitz Edition
>>319656251
as opposed to button mashing eye candy for ADD stricken retards, where you're fighting against your allies' retarded AI?
fuck off
>>319653101
IT was "GOAT" amongst normalfags that didn't care about the original while cutting out all of the merits of what made it so special and memorable, because all they cared about is newschool action shit.
Basically, the same thing that is happening now.
>>319656421
>Comparing Jrpgs to Chess because they are turn based
>>319656251
>>319655773
You forgot your :^)
>>319654304
>I don't
>replaying FF7
sure, you don't play them
>>319656510
Neptunia-like games are the ones which are actually not only defending the genre but trying to implement new mechanics to make it more interactive while not falling into the real-time action bullshit that plagues bigger series.
>The casuals now want to ruin FF7 Remake with their shitty turn based system
Go fuck yourself
>>319653820
That's his problem. He's saying that if they're going with a change to action they might as well go the full mile instead, because going in between just makes the experience unenjoyable for everyone and only exists to soothe the guilty consciences of the developers who want to maintain the illusion that their new vision for FF combat isn't changing the genre from the older ones which is exactly what it is.
If you hate turn-based systems that is your prerogative, it's not for everyone, but the thing I wish everyone would stop pretending is that you can switch to action while keeping everything from the original that was good. Of course we've lost things outside of just the mindless waiting in a line. We've lost full control over our party members, we're probably going to lose tons of magic and materia options, we've lost the cinematic camera of turn-based combat which means instead of the limit breaks looking like those gorgeous cutscenes from the PSX trailer we've instead got the camera really far away that makes the graphics look worse and we're modtly staring at Cloud's rear end as he's fighting all the time like we do with every other AAA game protag.
Now other things HAVE stayed, but the problem is that the things that have are completely superfluous and just a nod to the original... in fact they just detract from the game's goal for the combat, which could be better served by just going full DMC instead of using menus, showing pointless stats and slowing the action down at points to give the illusion that it's an evolution of ATB.
You say I'm afraid of change? I say go for it, change it even more! It's already done. But don't patronize me with this other crap, just make the combat good like other games that aren't bogged down trying to pretend they're an evolution of a different gameplay genre. That would at least give it chance at being good and not failing like earlier Final Fantasys that have experimented with hybrid systems.
>>319656609
FF7 is the only good Jrpg. It was a fluke never to be repeated again
>>319656510
>What's funny is that they tried this with Dirge of Cerberus and it was a steaming pile of shit.
No, they tried to make a TPS with fucking Vincent of all people. If Dirge of Cerberus was an action game featuring Cloud and his arsenal of fuckoff huge swords, it would have been a lot more palatable, or at least mediocre instead of completely fucking horrid.
>>319652045
PS4 version is a port of the old PC version that came out in 1997 but with trophies and stat boosters for casuals.
Are turn based casuals the most annoying group of people?
it's impossible to talk about Final Fantasy now that they're spamming their meme system in full force.
>>319656743
>not even FFVI
let me guess, was FFVII your first rpg?
>>319656791
>No its totally different because this time he uses swords
>>319656414
>>319656421
>>319656454
To be fair though, FF7 wasn't difficult at all if you actually got enemy skills or knew how to use materia even a little bit.
>Using life/pheonix down to 1shot the boss in cosmo canyon
>Later watch a friend play through the same part and suffer through MP drains and possessions
Unrelated but Oh man, now that I think of it, what if fucking Cait Sith's Dice are physics objects now that you can intentionally bounce, I fucking loved using that fucker.
I really prefer turn based everything. Chess, video games, baseball.
I don't take a long time to make decisions on what I want to do or anything, but I prefer being able to be sure of my command or strategy before going through with it.
The biggest thing about it, is how any actiony game with party members, you're always going to get pissed at your them. They never are as effective as they could be, because the AI is never as good as I want it to be. It sometimes frustrates me enough to just want to bench them.
>>319656840
>>319656743
>>319656727
simmer down, you samefagging mongoloid, or your b8 will grow stale
>I want to keep smashing x on the menu and watch fancy animations
Turn based keks everyone.
Might as well just go watch a movie.
>>319656940
Let me guess, you just bit into the oldest bait there is?
>>319657010
>To be fair though, FF7 wasn't difficult at all if you actually got enemy skills or knew how to use materia even a little bit
"FF7 wasn't difficult, if you were doing everything right"
can be said about every game ever
>>319657001
I didn't like the game because it made no fucking sense at all, even from the standpoint of making a spinoff from final fantasy 7.
It could have been anything else and still had atleast been good enough for a cult following. Dirge of Cerberus is Shadow the Hedhehog of final fantasy.
>>319656840
This,
People who like turn based so much that they have to make 50 threads a day, but not a single time they've mentioned one single good thing about the system.
>>319657117
>>I want to keep smashing x on the menu and watch fancy animations
sounds more like action shit
might as well go play an action game
>>319657112
>bawww stop hating mah casual turn based system I just want to sit down and watch animations
>>319657221
>but not a single time they've mentioned one single good thing about the system.
it requires you to put some thought into your moves and come up with a strategy
it means you have control over your characters at all times and don't have to rely on AI
things that have been said several times
>>319657221
Turn-based = Strategy
Action = Twitch
If you can't appreciate the gameplay of strategy and planning then I don't understand how you even have grounds to comment about what FF7 should be.
>>319657112
Two of these posts are 8 seconds apart. Are u mentally challenged?
>>319657362
>Turn-based = Strategy
>Action = ADHD
fixed
>>319657350
>>319657362
>Strategy
>Attack
>Get hit
>Heal
>Repeat
WEW LAD
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>>319657145
You didn't even have to be good if you learned fucking big guard and white wind, enemy skill was the most broken shit.
Most people didn't use Enemy Skill materia the first run around though because most people saw it as a waste of a materia slot.
Even then FF7 wasn't really too difficult, the only times I remember having trouble was with enemies that cast a lot of status effects like towards the end of disc1, but that was my own damn fault for being an idiot kid.
>>319657350
>strategy
>FF
why do fags keep using this meme excuse?
>>319657362
>keep pressing x until the enemies fade out
>strategy
Might as well say Bloodborne is a strategic game since you need to plan your movement and attack timing.
>>319657469
>I have never played FF7 before
>WAAHH TURN BASED IS CASUAL
>WAHH BUTTON MASHING IS CASUAL
Why you faggots gotta have such extreme opinions. One isn't fundamentally better than the other.
>>319657078
The other characters aren't AI this time around, at least as far as I understand.
>>319657538
Because both sides are fucking autistic.
>>319657519
>>keep pressing x until the enemies fade out
never played any FF game
>>319651556
>If he doesn't like slow paced shit / grinding, he has ADHD
I came into the thread to defend FF7 actually, but this is a more reprehensible and damaging opinion to gaming than anything OP said. You people worship shit like Skyrim and say anyone who doesn't like it has ADD / ADHD, and now that's all we get and the next Zelda game has been ruined in your favor. Good job.
>>319657001
Well, yeah. The Final Fantasy audience does not give a flying fuck about guns, and comparatively, Square has no experience with shooting mechanics, but at least they can say they have SOME know how when it comes to swordplay. Not much, mind you, but passable with effort, and I'd much have rather had a hack-n-slash where I customize the sword(s) I wield rather than a half-assed TPS in a universe where guns are established as pretty much fucking useless.
Not to mention...seriously, who gives a fuck about Vincent?
>>319657531
I'm playing it right now you poof. I'm at the broken roller-coaster at Mt. Corel.
>>319657538
>WAAHH TURN BASED IS CASUAL
>WAHH BUTTON MASHING IS CASUAL
But those two are the same thing
>>319657538
>One isn't fundamentally better than the other.
depends on the game
if you have a party with several characters, action just doesn't work
that works only when you have only one character to control
so one system is better than the other
>>319657391
>he's never had anons use 3+ connections to samefag endlessly in one thread while making it seem like everyone is in support of his own argument
![4GcvLc9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J0XaWV1.jpg "4GcvLc9[1].jpg")
>>319657538
>Why you faggots gotta have such extreme opinions
because getting mad over dumb shit is fun
>>319657519
You only do that when grinding normal enemies you're overpowered against. Most battles in FF7 required understanding of your encounter, preparing for it with items, powers and abilities, then using them in proper orders. It was really more of a collecting and preparation game than anything else.
>BUT THAT'S DUMB AND GAAAYYY
That's what FF7 is. If you don't like it why are you even playing it in the first place.
>>319657560
>The other characters aren't AI this time around, at least as far as I understand.
they are
>>319657621
>nostalgia goggles
>>319657538
m8, I love complex games.
hell, I love freeciv and AoEII as strategy games, hell even tactics advance has strategy.
FFVII has 0 deep.
It may as well get rid of turn based shit if there's no strategy.
>>319650703
The combat being shit in Ff7 is completely unrelated to it being turn based.
>>319657823
>>nostalgia goggles
except I have played the game just recently again, so it can't be nostalgia
What if Capcom had given the REmake Devil May Cry gameplay?
Would you be defending it?
>The original was slow and clunky
>I'm glad they updated the combat
>>319657531
>Attach restore to all
>Keep enemy skill on a character
>Get mime post disc 1 nothing is a challenge
Seriously though man, try to make your point about turn based without relying too hard on FF7 to make your point, it probably has some of the easiest combat and encounters in the game.
Literally the only hard bosses are the giant robot when you return to midgar, ruby/emerald, and maybe Jenova at the end of disc 1 if you were retarded and didnt equip the aqua ring you got right before.
>>319657646
Dirge of Cerberus was panned because it was a bad game, not because of his weapon or fanboyisms.
>>319657935
...And it was a bad game because Square has no experience in creating satisfying gunplay.
>>319657918
>Would you be defending it?
You can bet there'd be a legion of idiots that would. Just look at DmC and this fucking thread.
I haven't replayed any of my PS1 JRPGs in years. Just takes up too much time and is too old. I'd rather just listen to music for nostalgia.
>not playing EO or Portable SMTs
By having none of those long as fuck animations for fights, turn based games don't become much of a slog to sit through.
>>319657918
post REV3 babbys would be all over that shit
>>319657813
The only collection of anything you ever need to do is enemy skills. The only bosses that actually needed strategies to beat them were Ruby and Emerald.
FF7 really isn't a difficult game by any stretch, what you are saying is more true of FF8.
>>319657921
It's only "easy" if you already know the best strategies and know how to acquire the items for it. Which nobody did their first time through.
You'll also be fighting uphill battle convincing anyone that spectacle fighters are difficulty. You literally just press x to string combos and win the game.
Also, if you're essentially arguing that FF7 is a bad game and shouldn't be honored. If that's your stance then you shouldn't even be caring about FF7 at all. The people that asked for an FF7 remake are the fans of FF7, not its naysayers.
>people actually think turn bases jrpgs take skill
Hahahahahahhahahha
Inb4
>bbbut muh Nocturne
Easy as fucking shit
>>319657821
The trailer showed you fighting AS Barret though, his commands were even different too. Maybe AI autopilot but you can definitely take control.
>>319650703
>PC will always have half assed controller support, in spite of the fixes for the PS4 version
Damnit.
>>319653292
Because people are satisfied with gameplay if they can press one button a lot, see a lot of explosions and win the game.
>>319658296
I'm sure tic tac toe has more deep strategy than jrpgs tbqh family.
FF7 Remake is closer to FF13 Remake. It's automated team combat where you mash the X button and follow the yellow brick road to the end of the game.
>>319658410
It probably does yeah.
>>319658440
who cares.
FFVII is shit anyway.
It's like hearing weebs saying DBZ is the best mangu or some retarded shit like that.
>>319658296
No single player game has taken skill since 1987. JRPGs have always been about story, exploration, and collecting things. FF7 Remake will only have one of those 3 things.
>>319658258
Honestly the game isn't difficult on a fresh playthrough either, FF7 is pretty straight forward in how it opperates, and isn't very deep or complex either.
>Saying FF7's combat isn't a good example of strategic turn based games
>This is arguing its bad
Nigga stop going full retard, FF7 was a good game but it's combat wasn't anything special in the first place.
>>319658471
>>319658410
>>319658296
>totally not samefagging, guyz XD
>>319658587
According to you maybe, but the rabid fanbois will defend it saying it's hardcore shiet.
>>319658440
>Set to remember cursor
>FF7 is now mash x to win
>>319653820
How the fuck is it a variation of the ATB when there are no bars deciding when you attack nor you can control more than 1 character at the same time anymore? It's just a maimed KH combat system.
>>319658320
you control one character at a time, and the others are controlled by AI
>>319658650
>muh nostalgia googles
>>319658649
>FF7 was a good game but it's combat wasn't anything special in the first place.
It's annoying to hear dopes keep saying this. Final Fantasy JRPGs, specifically FF7, are defined by being turn-based. It doesn't matter if you think they're "gay" or not. That's the fucking genre.
It's like saying "I'm a fan of Madden but really, football has always been a lame sport. They should change it to Basketball."
>>319658564
Why are you even here? This is clearly a FF7 discussion and yet here you are shitposting in a thread about a game you dont even care about. You're the perfect example of the remake's fanbase
>>319658458
>They also mentioned that you can still control all three party members at once if you want.
you can't possibly control them all at once... either you control one, and the others get controlled by AI, or it's turn-based and you cycle through the characters
>>319657634
Nobody here worships Skyrim.
>>319658780
Its mash buttons and ai auto attacking to fill the bars, full control for actual attacks/magic/limits/summons when bars are full, rince repeat.
Its basically flashy turn based where instead of waiting you have to be active and build meter to do anything
I hope getting hit decreases meter.
>>319658953
That's like saying Skyrim is defined by story telling, yeah it's true, but that doesn't mean it's great.
Final Fantasy might be "defined by being turn based" but that doesn't mean FF7 had good turn based combat at all, and it definitely doesn't mean it was complex or deep.
>>319659005
>implying
I played FFVII years ago.
but then I played better games.
why do people feel butthurt when there are changes in a REMAKE?
It's not a HD remaster.
>>319659056
>im fine with not being able to systematically and deliberately control the actions of my party members
>Switching between them is the same
If what you just described is the system and how it works, then that same sort of strategy cant be applicable to all party members during the fight. You're limiting it to one player while the rest does stupid AI shit
>>319659183
>I dont like FF7
>I still want to be cool
>Lets make FF7 not FF7 so I can be cool
Literally worse than SJWs
>>319658892
Yeah, because the spam attacks build meter, you have to take control to do an actual attack
Basically its
>Shitty damage hits to build meter
>Meter is filled can do an attack that does full damage, use magic, etc.
>Then back to building meter
All AI does is build meter, you actually have to switch to them to do anything else, atleast that is what I got from the trailer, since barrets bar filled all the way and he didn't do jack shit until the camera switched.
>>319652203
It hasn't been for several years, its average user is now a hypersexual 14 year olds with ADHD.
>It's still a great game but the combat is boring as fuck
Does not compute.
>>319650703
>play game that isn't turn based
>complain about it being turn based
what
>>319659183
Because they aren't changes that make it feel like the same game, only better.
They are changes that make it feel like a totally different game.
See >>319657918
What they did with that is all I ever wanted out of a FF7 remake.
>>319651556
Nothing wrong with turn based battle systems. SLOW turn based battle systems are the worst form of combat to ever appear in vidya though.
>>319659348
yeah that's the impression I get as well
so all fights have to be balanced around only 1 character attacking properly and all other characters doing shitty autoattacks
sounds shit
>>319659181
It was actually was complex and deep. There were so many thousands of ways in FF7 to plan out characters, use item combinations and produce cool effects. It was the type of game fans could play over and over again figuring crazy ways to trick out damage, change enemies or break the game. That was a big part of the game's appeal and what made it memorable.
You know what ISN'T complex or deep? Turning it into yet another generic Batman spectacle fighter. We already have enough of those.
>>319659458
Okay fine, I fucking hate ff7, you got me. So fucking what. I cant wait to drink your tears when the game changes for me and my audience. Fuck you, fuck FF7, fuck turn base. I'm getting my way, what do I care.
>>319659323
>>319659506
>I want to buy the same game again because of better graphics
LOL
just play the older one.
>>319659224
You could only ever control one character at a time in FF7 at a time anyway, and the trailer showed you can switch characters and perform commands.
From what it looks like all AI does is use the basic attacking and move around to build meter, once the meter is full you can use a command on said character, you can actively switch between characters so you can position them.
>>319659458
>ATB isn't turn based
You fuck faces really need to kill yourselves.
Still not ATB? The ATB decided when to attack, not how; now there is no tactics involved in the gameplay anymore, it's just a mashing of buttons and flashy animations.
>>319659614
>>I want to buy the same game again because of better graphics and a shitty combat system
>>319659672
I rather have something new tbqh family.
>>319659746
tbqhzhdlmnop-kun, please stop posting now. You're same fag is showing.
>>319659672
>I want to buy the remake of a game that never interested me in the first place
>>319659530
No you misunderstand
In the trailer when cloud is attacking that all he is doing is building meter, it does shit damage and the only other thing you can do without meter is move around
Once meter is built you can use a command from the list, AI will ONLY do the shitty low damage meter building until you switch to them and issue a command.
Switching between characters will probably be important because you don't just wanna leave a party member in a group by themselves, so you also switch to party members to position them.
This makes sure you can play an active character, while the other characters passively build meter so you can issue them commands that do actual damage.
>>319659614
Or how about you just play Batman Arkham Asylum. Since that's clearly all retards like you want to play over and over.
>>319659183
The Remake is being made to honor FF7. Not because the game sucked and needed to be patched.
>>319659821
>>319659941
tbqh I want to play it to see the story and the backgrounds and nobuo uematsu.
I don't give a shit about FF gameplay.
>>319660041
>I don't give a shit about FF gameplay.
Good. Then you can remove yourself from the conversation since your opinion is meaningless.
>>319659615
>You could only ever control one character at a time in FF7 at a time anyway
In a FF7 battle, none of my party members would do anything that I didn't make them do. I had full control over my side of the combat, and there wasn't things going on elsewhere that couldn't control (or maybe even see, if it's happening just off camera).
The same can not be said of this new one.
>>319660024
Why would you honor Final Fantasy 7 by making it suffer through its shitty battlesystem again
>>319660163
Maybe because that's the fucking game?
>BUT I THINK ITS SHITTY DURR
Then why the fuck do you even care about FF7? Stop interjecting yourself into things you don't care for.
>>319660143
But it was shown you can take full control of the other characters at will. Barret even had full meter and wouldn't do anything until the person switched to him and issued a command.
The only other thing they do is auto attack when not the active character to build meter for commands that you have to switch to them to issue.
>>319659746
>wanting something new
>buying a remake
buy a new game then
>>319659863
>go to switch to other character
>find out that character is dead and you couldn't tell until now because it happened on the other side of the fight
>>319660024
>remade
>to honor
>honor
Bahahahaha
I bet you also think Inafune made Mighty No 9 as a tribute to Megaman's fans.
These companies make these games and rehashes for one thing only - dosh. It's about the money you fucking retard, and the best strategy to get more money is to appeal to the mass audience like me. No normal human being would enjoy turn based, it's too niche. Casualize the battle system gives more opportunity for sales.
>>319660275
>everyone who disagrees with me is a samefag
there has been several people here saying FFVII turn based is shit friend.
>>319660275
If the thing you enjoyed most out of Final Fantasy 7 was the battle system I legitimately feel bad for you.
>>319659821
>>I want to buy the remake of a game that never interested me in the first place
huh? I love the original and the remake looks like it's gonna be shit
>>319660358
>audience like me
>Casualize the battle system
at least you're honest
>>319660412
good, now leave. You clearly dont like FF7, whatever, it's fine. The charade is up though. If you play a game for something other than the game play then you are part of the game industry's problem
>>319660352
Except you can see the teams healthbars at all times?
What's the matter, don't like the idea of having to actively switch to make sure your teammates aren't getting gangbanged by shinra grunts?
>>319660358
>These companies make these games and rehashes for one thing only - dosh.
Yep. That's why they're doing this generic action combat system. Turn based doesn't sell in 2015 so they have to find a way to sell it to people that don't like traditional JRPGs. Same reason Capcom changed Resident Evil into an action series.
Has nothing to do with it being better. It's just what sells to normalfags.
>>319659863
I have completely understood
like I said fights will need to be balanced around AI characters doing shitty damage, probably not even able to properly heal, while you switch around the characters and do the actual attacks
it's retarded
>>319660412
pretty much this.
the thing that I enjoy the most of FF it's the music, since the story is anime cringe tier and the gameplay is easy as fuck.
>>319660330
>The only other thing they do is auto attack when not the active character to build meter for commands that you have to switch to them to issue.
You seem awfully confident in this fact from a fraction of a second of video
>>319660531
>he played FF7 for the gameplay
>Playing JRPG's for the gameplay
>>319660330
So, except for when using limit breaks, you'd just change character because of boredom since they all attack automatically anyway... Sound like a shit system to me.
>>319660412
Battle system was a huge part of FF7. You can't claim to be a legit fan of the game if you didn't accept the battles. It wasn't a fucking visual novel.
>>319660531
So what?
I'm planing on buying a PS4 just for this game.
It's pretty obvious square will care more about my opinion then.
>>319659863
>while the other characters passively build meter
what is the point of that?
to give players the illusion that "something" is happening, while you put in commands? why not just balance the health of the enemies around just one character attacking at a time? how is autoattacking AI characters making the battle more fun?
>>319660648
Yeah? and? You some sort of story fapping faggot? The GAMEplay is what drives the GAME and if you are playing for any other reason you are literally what is destroying video games. I bet you enjoyed Gone Home too, huh?
>>319660572
Then ask for a soundtrack instead of a remake. It'd be much cheaper.
>>319653773
Crisis core was way harder than ff7 though
>>319660391
and several people saying the opposite
what now?
>>319660648
>I trudged through a game groaning whenever a SHITTY GAMEPLAY portion came up and only liked the story. BUT IM STILL A HUGE FAN OF THE GAME, HONEST!
>>319660572
The story is honestly not that bad, it suffers from people attributing more to the characters than is actually there and missing the whole fucking backstories with the characters that revolve around shinra.
I really liked how they actually had lore in FF7 you could search out for, like finding out about the shit Shinra did in Wutai.
>>319660838
>Crisis core was way harder than ff7 though
no
>>319660701
>buying any console for just one game
How's being a suburban white trash spoiled little brat working for you? Mommy bring you your pizza rolls yet?
Dont even care about the game personally, just saying.
>>319660648
>I only play video games for the story
>I hate it when the gameplay gets in the way
>>319650703
You wont slide that people still want it, no matter how much SE pays your marketing agencies.
>>319660790
>>319660801
>people can't play games for diferent reasons
>muh attack attack attack heal attack attack grindfest
bro, I love FF
but then I grow up from it's turn based system when I started playing better and more niche games.
>>319660938
I'll be buying it for SFV and kof 14 brotha.
;)
>>319660648
I've been playing Record Keeper for a while and even though it's just an arcade with old school ATB gameplay it still manages to have much more depth than any ARPG I've played.
If you don't like the genre just GTFO, your opinion is worthless.
>>319660895
>>319660648
>Gameplay is shit... It needs updated guys
>Story is shit... it needs updated guys
>Graphics are shit... it needs updated guys
>Character designs are shit... it needs updating guys
I want people to just admit they hate FF7 and want to be a band wagonner for whatever social coolness they might receive.
>>319660838
>enemy moves
>get behind it for backstabs
>enemy is stationary
>spam ice spell
>heal occasionnally if you're shit at dodging or the enemy throws an unavoidable attack
They're both just as difficult. And by that I mean they're both piss easy.
>>319660682
Attacking to build meter isn't using an attack command though from what I can tell, barret didn't use a limit, he just selected attack.
>>319660616
It's the only way it made sense to me, who knows though. Barret didn't even use a limit, they just switched to him, the command window lit up, and he pressed attack.
>>319653251
It's fun
>>319659181
>you don't spam attack so it's not deep
>>319661152
It's gonna have "mini-LBs" to use with the red bar and "super-LBs" to use with the Limit bar, names are irrelevant.
>>319660713
Probably because they want positioning/defense/attack avoiding to be player influenced. They said from the beginning that having them all stand in a line would be weird and look out of place.
Also so you can just constantly control whatever character you want at any given time and not have to worry about the other characters being left to be limp noodles in an active battle.
they'll change the combat system to be a mindless button masher where you only control one character at a time
>t-the old c-combat sucked g-guys
they'll retcon the story to add the fan fiction tier garbage from crisis core
>t-the story n-needs updating, and crisis c-core was good g-guys
they'll remove the overworld
>t-the game is t-too big for that g-guys, it'll b-be just l-like XII
>pls B excited
there is no arguing with squeenix shills
>>319661071
>muh nostalgia googles
>FFVII is literally perfect and can't be improved
But I don't play it for the combat
![516K6Y0BB0L[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/C76NubM.jpg "516K6Y0BB0L[1].jpg")
>Hey guys, let's turn a game that's really popular for being an RPG into an action game with some minor RPG elements
>WHAT COULD GO WRONG
>>319661427
FFVII isn't even the best FF anon.
>>319661071
>Implying I was saying the story needed to be changed and not that I liked it
Full retard.
>>319653251
Do you not understand why games like Civilization exist too? Do you think all those games need to finally modernize and that the people who like them should abandon turn based games that have no reason to exist anymore?
>>319661526
>That gameplay is too dated. It needs to be updated.
>>319661651
after playing freeciv and civilization how can FFVII faggots argue that it's deep or complex simply because you can mix commands?
hilarious.
I love how people are heavily implying that FFVII gameplay isn't exactly the same shit as every other jRPG out there with the exception of the odd minigame.
I dunno, man, some of you have a vastly different defintion of "gameplay" than I do. You walk around, you fight to level up to then go walk around somewhere else without dying.
At this point story is far more important or what's the point? What's pushing you forward?
>>319661563
Then no one should have even wanted a remake.
