Just watched the ending to this game
So let me get this straight...The universe was created by a fucking machine
Really?
>Just watched
>watched
>Really?
Well the universe was destroyed and recreated by a machine yes
Yeah, the overall plot to the Xeno games are overall kind of dumb. They seem to be getting better, though. I don't find the characters in X as obnoxious as the one in this game, although there are plenty of stupid plot twists to go around. Pic related.
>Just watched the ending to this game
b-but why didn't you play it? everyone should suffer 100 hours of british voice acting and mindless mmo gameplay like i did
>>319557804
Yeah senpai, it was
http://imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH
>>319558460
My OCD couldn't handle it with having to fill in the map.
didun't read the spoiler
is the game worth playing?
>>319559501
Yes it's a good JRPG with a cool setting and world to explore.
>>319559501
The plot twist is kinda dumb.
>>319559832
You're kind of dumb
>>319557804
>Just watched the ending to this game
You best not be saying what I think you are saying
>>319559916
A fuckingmachine
You have to agree thats hella dumb
>>319557804
>just watched the ending to this game
If you're too lazy to play it yourself at least watch an LP of it or something.
>>319560098
>watching LPs
Even more cancerous.
>>319560065
so the Manado itself isnt dumb, but when you find outits based on a man made machine with universal control of either and not some unexplainable magicit becomes dumb?
>>319559832
It's pretty dumb but it means pretty much nothing in the grand scheme of things.
>>319560281
AMACHINE CREATED THE UNIVERSE
Dwell on how possible that is for a minute.while we're at it tell me why the hell did zanza not know the full extent of its capabilities
>>319558460
why didnt you change it to jap dub? are you masochist?
>>319560669
Because I'm not a fucking idiot and want to understand what I'm listening to
>>319560614The machine controls the atomic forces that hold matter togetherIt pretty much just allowed him to reconfigure the current universe into a new one
>>319560794
so you dont understand the basic japanese cliche phrases... sucks to be you
>>319560614
It's a really powerful machine?
It's not that outrageous when it comes to high-"powered" sci-fi.
>>319561220
Xenoblade was definitely not a sci-fi game in any way.
>>319560614
In at most a couple of hundred years machines will be advanced enough to create and improve themselves.
Using futuristic technology to rearrange the atoms in the universe in a specific way is certainly way less stupid than expecting "god created the universe".
>>319561430
>Game takes place in space on two planets made up of giant robots, with a magical laser sword, alien races, and killer robots
>Not sci-fi
>>319560821
It still doesn't make sense that its creator didn't know certain things it could do.
>>319560669
>implying XBC's dub wasn't superb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSbeIJZgKDw
>>319561592
I'm not so sure you're aware of how programming works.
>>319561721
>>Game takes place in space on two planets made up of giant robots
But it doesn't. And there is nothing "science" about any of the stuff you mentioned as the explanation for everything is magic. Your average FF game is more sci-fi than Xenoblade.
>>319561934
No, the explanation for everything is ether, which is atomic energy that they manipulate
>>319557804
i gave up after that swamp
game's boring as fuck
>>319562019
So magic
>>319562149
No, it's technology
>>319562149
I don't think you understand how magical fantasy works
>>319562354
>technology that runs on literally magic energy
Its magic
Its also technology that doesn't make sense. How do you program a machine to recreate a universe?
>>319562483
is the energy supernatural if the answer is no its not magical
>>319561934
Everything in Xenoblade is science magic.
Shulk is an engineer. The robots and technology run on ether which is magic.
It's pretty sci-fi.
>>319562413
>a machine created on our supposed earth time
>has weird symbols not even the creator is aware of
>can recreate universe
Its either magic or ancient magic used in conjunction with technology
>>319562483
>Magic energy
Just because it doesn't exist in real life doesn't make it not sci-fi
Or is Mass Effect not sci-fi because of the element 0 bullshit?
>How do you program a machine to recreate the universe
By taking the intramolecular forces of matter and reconfiguring it to your specifications, which is explained fully in the game
Oh wait you didn't play it that's right
>>319562653
>>has weird symbols not even the creator is aware of
Alvis did that
>>319562594
Except it is. For starters you can fucking see it and you can harness enough of it to recreate the universe
>>319562653
its neither just science so advance that its indistinguishable from magic
>>319562849
>misunderstanding that quote
>>319562847
again its not magic if its based on science
>>319562737
Oh man that explanation makes so much sense. Let me just make up senseless details like programming and data coming out of a magic box
>>319562937
>based of science
Its not. There is nothing remotely scientific about it. It just sounds like science.
>>319562978
>Put numbers into a calculator
>Other numbers come out
>FUCKING MAGIC WIZARDS GET OUT
This is you
>>319562926
wasn't trying to use that quote my point was that the science in xenoblade is just really advance nice meme image by the way
>>319563051
some sci fi genres don;t make any sense just look at steampunk
>>319563074
so you're saying you don't know where those numbers come from or did you fail to understand the point completely?
>>319563127
>nice meme image by the way
What the fuck are you on about
>>319558312
The whole conversation with the woman who wanted to conceive a child in her robot body was really dumb.
>>319560098
>>319560143This LP is actually pretty fantastic.
http://youtu.be/0YEhVPZjgMk
>>319561934
>Xenoblade isnt Sci-Fi
Iv heard it all now
>>319563758
It's not. It's a straight up fantasy. It takes place in a completely fictional universe that has no basis in reality whatsoever. There are fantasy races like the nopon, robopeople, bird people that turn into monsters because god wills it and a bunch of made up monsters species. Everything is powered by magic. There is nothing "science" about any of this because it has no connection to reality whatsoever.
>>319564192
steampunk is a sci fi genre and that doesn't make any sense also the energy isnt supernatural so its not magic
>>319564192
>Star Wars is not sci-fi. It's a straight up fantasy. It takes place in a completely fictional universe that has no basis in reality whatsoever. There are fantasy races like the ewoks, robopeople, old people that turn into sith lords because Sheev wills it and a bunch of made up monsters species. Everything is powered by the Force. There is nothing "science" about any of this because it has no connection to reality whatsoever
>>319564192
Maybe you should look up "soft sci-fi" instead of babbling like a retard
>>319564192
it is all ficticious science. Are you fucking dumb? Everything in the game was created by some fictional people set in our universe. They usemechs, fly space ships, shoot lazers, build cyborg. The themes are sci-fi, the setting is sci-fi. You are 100% wrong.
>>319564401
star wars is fantasy
speculative fiction is different
>>319564401
Star Wars isn't sci-fi but keep being retarded.
>>319564539
By your retarded definition then Final Fantasy games are sci-fi as they use "mist" as an explanation for magic in the exact same way "ether" is used in Xenoblade.
This is bait.
A machine didn't create the universe you dolt.
At the center of their experiment there were three things; the scientists and the computer. The computer stands for the materialization of the experiment. The world is created through the experiment with the wills of the scientists
It wasn't HURR DURR A MACHINE CREATED THE UNIVERSE.
>>319564678
>star wars is fantasy not Sci-fi
I take it back, I now have heard everything
>>319564748
By your retarded definition any work of fiction that uses some kind of unexplained energy source is a fantasy work. And Xenoblade explains it so its not even unexplained. Did you even play the game?
>>319564678
>>319564748
are you retarded or something almost every machine in star wars doesn't use the force so its a hybrid between sci fi and magical fantasy
>>319560669
There's no jap dub on the 3ds
>>319565131
>>319565074
lol
just lol
star wars has been considered fantasy SINCE ITS INCEPTION
>>319565074
Tell me anon. Do you consider Final Fantasy science fiction using your definition? And if not why not?
and see >>319564192 for all the crazy crap that makes Xenoblade fantasy and not science fiction.
>>319565429
its both you fucking retard because it has magic and science
>>319564748
Ether is intramolecular forces being manipulated with technology
Mist is ghosts shat out of a tree that lets you shoot fireballs
>>319565675
>Ether is intramolecular forces being manipulated with technology
You know except for all those enemies that can manipulate ether without using any technology whatsoever.
>>319565664
yeah okay moron
just like a man is both male and female because he has an X and Y chromosome
you've got fucking knights, telekinesis, princesses, empires, etc. they never talk about oh lol the hyperdrive works by dividing the atomic mass of carbon by 0
>>319565441
final fantasy 6 7 and 8 are sci fi and fantasy since they have both of these things
>>319565868
they do you fucking retard
>>319565886
Than it's science fantasy and not science fiction idiot, which is what this entire argument has been about.
Star Wars, Xenoblade and those particular FF games are science fantasy not science fiction.
>>319557804
The universe is a computer simulation. The wielder of a Monado becomes a superuser. The reason Shulk could "see the future" was because everything was pre-simulated based on various calculations and physics. A superuser is able to change the inputs to these calculations and effectively change the future. Alvis was a physical manifestation of the computer that simulates this universe. Meyneth and Zanza were the two original superusers. Shulk became a superuser when he "died" and became an anomaly in the universe (effectively allowing him to interact with it from the outside).
>>319565985
WHEN? WHEN? WHEN IN THE MOVIES DO THEY EXPLAIN HOW THE HYPERDRIVE WORKS?
>>319566071
science fantasy is a mix of science fiction and fantasy you stupid bitch xenoblade on the otherhand doesn't have any fantasy elements
>>319566071
Go fuck yourself, the argument has been that they're straight up fantasy, not science fantasy.
>>319566301
READ THE FUCKING BOOKS YOU STUPID BITCH AND STOP USING CAPS YOU FUCKING MONG
>>319566301
>Hyperdrive is magic because they never explain it.
Alright, this is getting too retarded or autistic for me.
>>319566489
You mean the books nobody gives a shit about? Fuck off
>>319557804
>Zanza just wanted friends lol
When will they stop with this bullshit.
>>319565429
>A series that takes place in space and alien planets, uses futuristic machinery in 80% of all daily going ons, has advanced robots and cyborgs for main characters, features wars fought on a galactic scale with robots and clones made by machines
>is not science fiction because there are partially unexplained forces and doesnt take place in our world
you expect me to believe this horse shit?
>>319565441
its explained in Xenoblade that all the magic is just tech manipulating matter. I dont buy that a setting has to be in our exact own world for it to be science fiction (which Xenoblade technically is anyways but whatever).
All fiction is a work of fantasy because its fucking fiction. Things with futuristic themes like advanced technology and space travel are considered science fiction. There being something that doesn't exist in our world is irrelevant because none of it exists in our world. Star Trek is Sci-Fi, Star Wars is Sci-Fi, the Aliens and Predators series/crossovers is Sci-Fi, Xenoblade is is Sci-Fi, Xcom is Sci-Fi, the Tom Swift books are Sci-Fi, and any other work of fiction that includes some unexplained energy/force is sci-fi. Your petty semantics do not change this
>>319566721
>I'm a lazy nigger so everything I say is now canon in star wars
>>319566721
>being this assblasted
>>319559358
But the map auto fills if you find all the landmarks in an area...
>>319566121
That's pretty CHIM
>>319566721
>WHY DON'T THEY EXPLAIN THIS THING
>"The thing is explained in the book"
>GO FUCK YOURSELF WHO CARES
Is Tales of the Abyss sci-fi?
>>319566721
>>>highschool
>>319565859
Electric eels can shock you, must be magic
>>319567504
but they are
how else could they use electric powersno seriously how
>>319567504
>must be magic
But it is
>>319567625
The same way Blanka does
>>319565859
dolphins have a naturally made sonar so is it magic now?
>>319567625
> These organs are made of electrocytes, lined up so a current of ions can flow through them and stacked so each one adds to a potential difference. When the eel locates its prey, the brain sends a signal through the nervous system to the electrocytes. This opens the ion channels, allowing sodium to flow through, reversing the polarity momentarily. By causing a sudden difference in electric potential, it generates an electric current in a manner similar to a battery, in which stacked plates each produce an electric potential difference.
Basically the use the same gimmick a battery does to generate electricity but much stronger for a much shorter period of time
>>319557804
>watching other people play video games instead of playing them yourself
>watching things that usually only children watch
>>319565859
hey man check out this magical color changing plant that can move really fast.
>>319567814
Evolution's fucking crazy sometimes
>>319567814
thats fucking awesome why can't I do that
>>319557804
Thats a real Deus ex machina!
>>319567814
Mashing together difficult words doesn't make it true. Stop with your techno-babble. It's magic, full stop.
>>319567906
Because you don't have a Sach's Organ. Instead we have useless shit like a spleen and an appendix.
>>319557804
I barely remember the plot after you get to the machine god.
>>319557804
>spoiler
No,their world was just a simulation which is why the "gods" had so much power there, they pretty much had admin rights. Due to magic or something it became its own universe, when the "real" world disappeared. It's basically DDS.
>>319570290
Then what happens in the end?
>>319570740Shulk becomes a god and recreates the world how it was before the mechon attack so Fiora was never kill, Gadolt still is though
>>319570992
No he makes a proper universe, not one that is just two corpses in a endless ocean.
WOT A BANCH O' JOKAS
![tumblr_n91pb3pDqI1r1ws08o1_400[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/XNUuk0C.gif "tumblr_n91pb3pDqI1r1ws08o1_400[1].gif")
>>319571108
Yeah, also I forgotMelia never scores
>>319557804
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge
>>319571108
And yet its still a simulation, a magic one. How is this a happy ending?
>>319571457
oh boy is it that time again
>>319571947
when the simulation is all there is, is it really a simulation?
>>319572449
More importantly how the fuck are shulk and the others allowed to have a goddamned concious inside of it?
>>319571232
>Trying to fight that super big named mechon in the factory because I got a good reason to believe I wont get another chance
>Im like 5 levels below it and keep getting my ass kicked
>Fuck this, time to bust out the big guns
>Ryne tanking those hits like a champ with Sharla keeping him topped up and me throwing around the Muh-nah-doe
>Suddenly we are engulfed in flames
>Sharla dies
>Im at deaths door
>just short of a party gauge for a revive
>Fucking Titan Stomp coming fuck me
>Well i guess this is it
>ITS NOT OVAH YET!
>Ryne mother fucking Last Stands that shit and is back at 50% HP
>He scores a one in a million crit and gets the last bit of party gauge we need
>revives me
>spam back slash, Slit Edge, and air slash until we have enough to revive Sharla
>Get Sharla back on her feet
>music immediately changes back to cool battle music
>Chip away at that son of a bitch until he goes down
>collect my one skill coin
Thanks Ryne
>>319558312The Lifehold meant to recreate humanity is destroyed and there ain't no human bodies controlling them to begin with. Only their consciousness/souls. So when the robot dies they die as well.
>>319571721
Zanza and Meyneth were the Demiurges, with a bit of Sophia put into Meyneth as well.
Alvis is the true God. The source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNqvtA0mgcA
>>319567129
>>"The thing is explained in the books that even before Disney got their dickbeaters on the IP were barely canon at best"
