>hear that suikoden 2 is a really good game
>decide to play through suikoden 1 first to get grips on the story
>finish it with all 108 stars recruited and no deaths
>have a blast
>start number 2
>stop 2 hours out of boredom
What's going on
Having logged countless hours in both games I assure you that two is better, when did you quit?
It only begins to pick up in South Window
>>319530065
To be honest, I also think the mercenary fortress part is kinda boring, and that "guy(?)" death should be handled better, maybe make him interract with MC more.
>>319530210
I'm in muse after viktors fort was destroyed
also that reminds me. How did Lucas army even get there because wasn't the only path between Highland and Jowsten through the northern pass?
the start when you're in captivity may be slow, but I found S2 better than 1 in every way
be sure to get the fire sealing and fire lizard rune for zamza
>>>/vr/
GL OPI still don't know the difference between the Mana and Suikoden series
>>319530429
>using Zamza
>>319530753
i just love that smug son of a bitch
>>319530398
You'll have a lot more boring conversation to jam X through Muse but it ends with good plot development
the next village is boring more convo stuff, then you head to South Window and begin the quest to get your castle.
Every Suikoden game is boring to start but the middle is god tier and the endings are satisfying, it's my favorite JRPG series. Stick with it.
Did you get Gilbert in the tutorial battle? He's missable, and you have to activate a cutscene with Clive in Muse or miss him too.
Suikoden 2 has a pretty slow start, but believe me, once you get your castle, shit gets rolling like mad.
>>319530429
>Using Zamza
>Not getting Killey and turn him into a Double Attack, always berserking monster that,s doing more damage than Georg Prime and Pesmerga.
https://youtu.be/gszJ-d4lqi8
>>319530817
I've noticed beast characters can't seem to equip any items is it worth using them? I've been using Mukumuka or whatever the fuck his name is because he's got a cool as shit cape
>>319530887
The tutorial battle? I don't remember a gilbert.
There was viktors unit, Fliks, and that random dude you hired to fix the fire spears
nothing compares to S5 when it comes to slow starts
I love the game, but I dread going through stormfist every new playthrough
>>319530065
When I first found out I got the bad ending by missing a prompt during the castle seige I got kinda pissed.
But then I saw how the "good" ending actually plays out on YouTube and man was I grateful I didn't get that ending. Fuck that fairy tale ending feels like utter fanservice and ruins the gravity of the entire story.
>>319531027
nah, the beast units are trash
i think the octopus even ruins your 108 star count
>>319531027
the tutorial battle is Viktor's fort with the fire spears, you need to damage Gilbert's unit without killing it and he joins you, first missable star with an ass method of recruiting.
>>319530904
I guess that's it. I still haven't got my castle I just got the fake uniforms to go sneak into the highlander camp from Muse
>>319531101
I was kind of disappointed with 1. With Gremio coming back. It felt a lot more real with a character actually dying. Though there was plenty of great moments in 1 to make up for it
pic related
Suikoden 1 -> Suikoden 5 -> Suikoden 2 -> Suikoden 4 -> Suikoden Tactics
Objectively correct order to play Suikoden games.
>>319531313
Why the fuck wouldn't you play 3?
>>319531016
that's endgame
zamza with the fire sealing/lizard runes will last long before you start getting fury and double beat runed
>>319530065
Its worse than the first
In the first one the 108 stars m ade sense and had a practical use, it was pseudo pokemon
In 2 only a handpicked amount of characters get to do stuff, they are even irrelevant in the battles and the scale doesn't feel as big because little happens
There are also less areas
>>319531362
Why would anyone subject themselves to playing that garbage?
>>319531272
I honestly didn't mind Gremios revival in 1, the entire game played out almost like a Saturday morning cartoon, it was very light hearted and sweet. In two they were obviously going for a more darker tale and the revival shit and fake death felt out of place in context to the overall direction of the game.
>>319530065
i got all 108 stars because i heard the mc from the first game is recruitable in the sequel
so where the fuck is he
>>319531536
You think 3 is garbage but play 4? wew lad
>>319531313
I don't remember 5 looking this good
this is the game where you gradually build up a fort or something, right? i heard about that and it sounds like pretty much exactly what i want
shit where you gradually build up an army/castle/base/whatever, especially if it has optional things to enhance it further is basically 10/10 for me but the only instances i can think of actually having played them would be the castle DLC and gathering the groups of guards in oblivion
>>319531749
i was sad when i had to beat the game
because all of the characters you recruited and amassed were all gone and went their seperate ways
>>319530065
Suikoden 2 is about 3 times longer and objectively considerably better. Give it another chance.
>>319531803
you can always count on a few to reappear in the sequel
Unless you're still waiting for 6
>>319531803
jesus, i already get that post-game (or book, tv series..) sadness when i finish something i enjoyed, thats gonna be awful when i play this
2 has a lot of boring story arcs that just keep going on and on
is this one of the games that you need to use a walkthrough to get all the units or whatever?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TThDihBY4Q
>>319531978
yes, or you can use richmond
>>319530065
You don't like 2
>>319531978
Yes it helps a bit
>getting the salt trader in S5
loved how the best characters for autism minmaxing are all literally whos that join just because you asked them and that's it
>>319531193
IIRC Gilbert isn't until the battle at Muse, not the tutorial one
I hate missing characters in fire emblem because I didn't talk to them or did something.
Will I hate this game
>>319532303
yes
theres a spoiler-free recruitment guide
>>319531693
it takes a while to reach that location. I think you find him in a fishing village when you are visiting country from the first game.
All suikoden games are pretty awful because they stick to the fucking stupid idea of missable characters if you don't know to backtrack at every turn + only get good ending if you do.
>Can't name it Mohawk Head Castle
what is the point?
>>319531016
Characters with three empty slots runes are so dumb.
Fucking Hai Yo could solo everything too.
>>319532242
oh fuck you're right, I was mixed up
>play this for the first time way back when the game was released
>this scene went completely over my head
>had no idea what just happened
>came back to the game years later
>see this again
What a complete slut.
>>319531181
I think it does only if you use the crystal on something else? Like you have to wait to get his waifu otherwise it fucks up the count because you can't recruit the little one.
>>319532431
I don't use guides. Feels bad man. Hated valkyrie profile because of this as well.
>>319531978
>Yes it helps a bit
No. it helps a lot.
Amount of characters you can recruit. amount of books, cooking recipes, etc etc you need to find is absurd. I fucking love this game
>>319532558
There's really only a handful that you would miss, you could skim a guide and it would probably tell you the tricky ones, and the rest are just intuitive. Probably about half are automatic.
>>319532454
Say that to my face fucker not online
>>319532547
could be, I always used the crystals on siegfried and the gryphon just to be on the safe side
>>319532547
Yeah, can't get the second kraken
And one of the crystals has to be Feather so that you also get Ayla
>>319532631
Also, because this game is from an era in RPGs where devs weren't afraid to throw in tons of missable stuff
Just so you guys know.
>Difficulty of getting all 108 stars at first playthrough
5 > 2 > 1 > 4 > 3
3 gives you a shitload of mandatory characters and aside from Landis, none of them are really tricky. The detective also work super fast.
4 is pretty easy, most of the recruitment is dumb as shit anyways.
1 is pretty balanced, some stuff that's hard to find without a guide, but most of the characters you can get automatically. No detectives though.
2 starts to get tricky with the recruitment, even with Richmond. You can still get a pretty good amount at the end of the first playthrough if you play carefully.
5 has some really important areas that you can easily miss and that have loads of characters in them. I was easily missing around 20 at the end of my first playthrough. There's almost zero "talk to recruit", you always have to have someone particular in your party or do some specific stuff.
>>319532513
that scene.
Also this character. When first playing the game when I was a kid I didn't get what she meant with "You are still young. Come see me when you are older."
I never finished Clive's sidequest
The first two games are very similar you are partly experiencing the same game twice and may get burned out. Suikoden 2 only really starts though after you get your home base castle.
>>319533252
Me neither. Speedrunning Suikoden II is a waste of an experience, no matter what playthrough you're on. I just want to walk around in my castle and explore the world, god damn it.
Shit gets real when you unlock iron chef mini game OP
>>319533252
that was fucking hard to accomplish. I think you had to rush almost all locations. They all had "be there before XX:XX game time or the trail gets cold". I was only able to do it on my third playthrough.
>>319533252
Always have Clive and Stallion in your party. Gotta go fast.
Back when I knew fucking everything about the game (except for the cooking recipes bug) I managed to do an almost perfect run in 11 hours. You can do it, anon, just take a day off. The ending to Clive quest is nice and better if you see it for yourself.
>>319530065
You are just burned out.
Play 2 after a few months.
Marinating non action RPG series has that effect.
>>319533450
That was amazing. I loved how it gave every character a little more personality by showing us what food they like (though most were pretty predictable).
>>319533453
Also it is easier to finish that quest if you are willing to dedicate one character slot to that elf dude. He gives you absurd movement speed on world map. Both land and sea movement speed.
>>319532513
>her younger sister obviously falls for MC
>he never notices her
>>319533394
>Speedrunning Suikoden II is a waste of an experience
this, speedrunning through ANY JRPG is a waste of an experience
>>319533394
>>319533484 here. My "speedrun" (not that I knew those existed back then) was on my 8th or 9th run, I can't remember. I think the world record is around 9 hours, but I wonder if the guy got all 108 stars.
Speedrunning the game is kinda dumb because it reaaaaly depends on whether you get lucky with your drops or not. No Fury rune in Muse at the beginning of the game is basically killing the whole run. Having one or two Double beats from the rabbit in the Northern Pass would also save a shitload of time during battles.
>>319533560
5 types of meat
5 types of fish
5 types of vegetables
5 types of spices
mix those stuff and create different food that all have different buffs and debuffs when consumed. Year 1999 game design. Fuck AAA games
>there will never be a game with such a cool looking sprite magic as suiko2
>>319532162
So I'm not the only one who had trouble with that? Suikoden 5 remains the only Suikoden game that I wasn't able to get the True ending for because I couldn't figure out what the fuck I was supposed to do to get that guy.
Well, that and my copy of five suddenly disappeared into the fucking ether one day. I still don't know what the fuck happened to it.
>>319533252
>not just using timer cheats
>>319533641
The MC was kinda bland anway. There was literally no reason to make him leader except that his non blood related grandfather was known troughout the lands.
>>319533785
and he had the same true rune
Always bet on the true rune guy
>>319533252
I was only able to complete it earlier this year.
Was so satisfying to finally do it too.
>>319533785
He was a figurehead with a True Rune. After Shu was recruited he basically took over.
>>319533845
>that one fight late in the game where your retarded friend with the black sword rune joins for a battle and you see what he got as a final rune skill
Shit was overpowered as fuck.
>>319533484
I did it with an emulator that could gameshark reset the game's timer.
So what is the gameplay for this game like? Is it like Fire Emblem or Langrisser? I would probably kill a supple 8 gear old boy for a game that plays like Langrisser where you lead armies
Don't mind me, just posting the best Suikoden girl.
>no qt time-traveling girlfriend
>>319534252
Turn-based JRPG with iffy strategy sections strewn about.
>>319533691
What's the point of having all those combinations when most of them suck and you only end up using the best 3 or 4 foods anyway. It's just a waste of dev time to properly code and render each individual food.
>>319534252
It's like a typic JRPG
Have a party of 6 and battle monsters and bosses.
Every so often you have a "major battle" which is 2 armies going head to head and a Duel mode (though I haven't seen that in number 2 yet)
>>319534252
Only the major battles in 2 sort of resemble Fire Emblem. They're (very high quality) JRPGs first and foremost.
So what's the most powerful True Rune?
Punishment in Forgiveness state?
Soul Eater?
>>319534586
Rune of the beginning
tfw ur best friend dies but its k u bring him back to life
>>319530065
>finish it with all 108 stars recruited and no deaths
Hello gamefaq babby faggot
>>319533737
>>319532162
Yeah, fuck that guy. He was pain in the ass.
>>319530065
It's a slow start, but stick with it if you enjoyed the first, it will pick up and there is NOTHING to look forward. Push through it and you will be rewarded.
>>319534431
And almost all of the battles are over in a few turns of dialogue.
2>1>5>3>>>>>>>>>>4
literally can't prove me wrong here
>>319534376
You don't know all those combinations. You experiment to find them out. Adventure is in journey not in the destination
>>319530065
That's exactly what happened for me.
Suikoden 2 isn't worse or anything, but I felt like I was doing the same stuff for the second time.
>>319530065
>What's going on
You might've burned yourself out a bit, play something else and return to 2 after that.
>>319535024
Still doesn't change the fact that there are only very few really useful foods. If that's the case why not just save the effort and cut all the bullshit, leaving only the top tier and good-tier food? It's just busy-making.
>>319535232
why don't I just give you end game spells, weapons and armor when we are at it?
I'm having trouble getting through Suikoden II myself. Been playing it on and off since it came out on PSN about a year ago. While the first one I played straight through in about a week having a good time. I don't get it. The gameplay is the same, the storys had some really good moments, yet... that magic keep-me-playing rpg pull isn't there.
>>319535519
In fact, thats what more devs should do. Offer currency and gear as paid dlc. People who want to do it the old-fashioned way can still do so and people who don't want to waste their time grinding can pay money and breeze through the game.
It's a win win solution.
>>319535651
.......
>>319535651
neo-/v/, everyone
do you also think game overs are bad game desing?
fucking hell
What does carrying my save over from 1 to 2 do?
I'm playing them on my vita, when i was prompted to transfer my Suikoden 1 data it couldn't detect it even though they're both on the same memory card.
Suikoden V would have been on par with the second game if it didn't take 10 hours to finally get things moving. It has probably the longest start of any jrpg.
>>319535845
>>319535716
There's literally not a single downside to this solution. Or are you fucks those people who parrot the tired old "ALL DLC IS BAD HURRR, EVERYBODY SHOULD SLOG THROUGH THE GAME THE SAME AS ME" line? We're all adults here, some of us have less time to play games and we don't want to waste time on pointless bullshit just to progress.
>>319535913
10h? More like 20h, it was fucking painful.
>>319531362
Because the difficulty is poorly balanced, battles move slower than a slug on molasses, and none of the tree starting characters groups/stories are interesting out the gate.
>>319535941
go watch the cutscenes on youtube, grandpa
>>319536040
Just because I don't want to waste time grinding for levels or weapons doesn't mean I want to passively watch the cutscenes you numbnuts. The world isn't black and white. I want to play the game, I just don't want to go through all the fluff.
>>319531536
>garbage
>not 4
Come on
The naval combat can't even save that sinking ship
>>319535864
You can get McDohl later on. He's still amazing in battle and gets some small unique scenes, like with Kasumi
Gremio is alive if you got 108 stars before
Humphrey can start with Windspun Armor, the best one in the game...being a huge help in the battle with Luca
>>319535941
>some of us have less time
then don't play them if you can't find the time
why should games cater to you?
>>319535864
>it couldn't detect
Oh shit, I want to get them but this scares me
>>319536227
>have less time to play games so I prefer to go through games as efficiently and quickly as possible
>that must mean he has no time to play games at all so why play games?!
Why must it be extremes with you, /v/? All I want is an option, a DLC that I can buy. It shouldn't have any effect on you if you want to go through it normally. Just don't buy it. It'll benefit everybody.
>>319536159
Go watch a let's play.
https://youtu.be/BXMnX-vqANk?t=2m30s
>>319536374
fuck of normie faggot
Why is II's overworld so LARGE and full of NOTHING? This really hurts because you're encouraged to seek out allies... only to be plot-blocked / told to come back later when you do find a town you're not specifically supposed to be at yet.
>>319530547
When /vr/ was created it was expressly stated that it was not intended to discourage 5th gen and prior games from being discussed on /v/
>>319536470
>Why is II's overworld so LARGE
It really isn't
>>319536374
Cheating is an option you could look into.
>>319536605
Can't cheat on current gen consoles.
Thank fuck for Cheat Engine though.
>mfw I only ever played Suikoden3
It was a pretty fun game, but I don't think I ever managed to beat it.
But I never really aimed to beat games as a kid.
Games felt so much longer back then.
>>319536591
Well if its not large, it's a case of your character movement being so slow that getting anywhere takes long, thus making it feel large.
>>319536605
>>319536728
DLC is cheating, it's just that the only working code is your credit card number
>>319536854
Nah man you just have adhd
>>319535941
You have an awful lot of trust in companies to not immediately corrupt this model the second it goes live and harass people into buying the "Daddy DLC" by making playing the game without it purposely annoying.
Did you start 2 right after 1? It might just be a case of burn out.
>>319537090
That's a pretty subjective standard. To me, it's already purposely annoying. Also, publishers aren't that stupid anon. They'd try it, get immense backlash and sell poorly, and not do it again.
>>319537029
I don't get it.
>>319536212
Gremio gives you a recipe too, so you can't get all of them without it.
>>319537268
>They'd try it, get immense backlash and sell poorly, and not do it again.
because that's what happened with horse armor, right?
So did anyone else here spend decades trying to grind for recipes that never dropped without knowing about this? http://suikosource.com/games/gs2/indepth/recipesbug.php
Got every battle character to like level 70 as a kid just grinding Highland Soldiers in Rockaxe looking for Ghengis Khan.
