>all the censorship apologists on /v/
The cnesored content could be something I actually fucking hated, and I'd still be just as pissed as when it's content I'm indifferent about.
Censorship is censorship. It's unethical no matter what, and you're a piece of shit if you defend it in any way.We actually filled up the ENTIRETY of "Censorship apologist bingo" in a single thread last night. I got fucking winded.
>>319517526
What kind of disgusting prick defends ANY kind of censorship? I mean, how can you hate both yourself and the world that much?
>>319517882
Those who don't like it, but are too weak-willed to not support it.
>>319517882
Those who are too stupid to realize that the censored content was never harmful in the first place.
In fact, these people think the opposite. They think a pair of virtual jock-straps or a boob-slider ARE harmful. Somehow.
>>319518061
>>319518352
God damn, just think of all the guys who gave their lives so we can do whatever we want. Just imagine what would they thing that they were doing it for morons that love living in oppression
post bingo pls
It's because you're only concerned about censorship when it comes to your dick. You never gave a shit about religious censorship.
On the topic of apologists, I'm quite surprised to see some /v/irgins against the idea of modding video games, like during its peak so many wanted Project M to get a C&D
>>319519285
Why mod when you can just make a completely new game by yourself?
>>319519013
Alright. Someone start up the BINGO. We got our first retard of the thread.
>>319519285
It's called being contrarian, when anything gets talked about a lot and a general opinion in formed in the board you get people who don't want to fall in line.
>The cnesored content could be something I actually fucking hated, and I'd still be just as pissed as when it's content I'm indifferent about.
You don't need to lie on the internet, anon.
>>319519751
I fucking LOATH oppression, which is exactly fucking what censorship is.
WBC has the right to protest funerals and mass shooting sites.
Gays have the right to have a pride parade.
Neo-nazis have the right to have a rally in a jewish neighborhood.
Women have the right to go to slutwalks.
Artists deserve the same form of freedom.
When art is censored, it stops being art and becomes propaganda.
I always thought this way, so fuck you.
>>319519285
This >>319519580
/v/ is filled with contrarians who would gleefully cut their own noses off to spite their faces.
The more you complain the more apathetic I become towards your cause.
>>319519920
companies have the right to make alterations during localization for a particular region ;)
>>319519383
What if the foundation is fine and you just want to improve on it, like with Oblivion or STALKER? Mods are also a bit more accessible from a financial perspective
Even if it were to be technically better I doubt PM would have the same amount of popularity Melee has if it used an original setting in place of Nintendo's own. It'll be interesting to see what happens to Rivals of Aether when it reaches its final release.
>>319520042
You don't care about much do you?
>>319520134
Does whether I do or not matter?
>>319520378
No,so why do you feel the need to tell everyone how much you don't care?
>>319520417
>No
Then don't ask.
>>319519013
>You never gave a shit about religious censorship.
The fuck are you talking about? There's plenty of people that say the original run of OoT is the best because it's the only one with fucking Islamic chanting.
>another fuckign censhorshitposting thread
Mods, get off your frucking asses, and do your job
>>319522978
>he says as he bumps a thread that hasn't had a reply in 30 minutes
>>319517526
Its just /v/s latest "thing"
Like gaming journalism in 2014
Like intrusive DRM in 2013
/v/ doesnt really care, its just bandwagoning
>>319517526
Then why didn't you complain before the censorship meme started?
Vidya censorship has been a thing since forever but only now you started complaining because you discovered you have free shitposting tickets against games you don't like.
>>319522978
It falls under secondary at most, so it's not against the rules, you censorship-defending oppression-enabling nazi.
>>319523360
>Then why didn't you complain before the censorship meme started?
You mean like how I complained when I doscovered what happened to Oot?
And when I complained, along with THE ENTIRETY OF THE INTERNET, about Manhunt?
Or all the SNES JRPGs that got censored translations on the GBA?
Get fucked. You piece of shit.
>>319523205
Are you 12?
Unlike you, clearly, I actually remember the last time this happened to Vidya and it was a fucking decade long dark age.
Heed my words.
They came for the lewd fags, but I never spoke out because I wasn't a lewd fag, etc.
Then they came for me, but there was no one left to speak out for me.
Who cares about video games desu family
>not learning another language
why are you self-censoring yourself from speaking another language?
why are YOU pro-censorship?
Gayfag here, why do straight males hate vidya fanservice so much? Nothing wrong with appreciating the female form.
>>319523841
Learning a language doesn't make the censorship go away.
>>319523992
but it wont affect you
>>319523949
Because they think they will be allowed to put their cocks in fat tumblr cunts.
>>319523992
Neither does bitching and spamming the same thread on 4chan
Recent censorships
>GTA V banned from australia
>Hatred banned from Valve
>Tera Elin belly buttons
>DOA censorship
>Xenoblade Chronicles sexy removals
What else did I miss
>>319524384
Bravely Default
Fire Emblem Awakening
Criminal Girls
Smuggle Truck (turned to Snuggle Truck for Steam release)
Fatal Frame WiiU
Street Fighter V
>>319524604
Snuggle Truck sounds pretty sexy. Do you kidnap people and snuggle them?
>>319524032
not the guy you replied to, but literally the entire point of the censorship debate is the principle of it. it doesn't affect me at all because i mostly play indieshit and retro games, but i'd still be salty about the premise of game censorship even if i did know Japanese and could access the OG japanese uncensored versions.
>>319524730
You have to smuggle plush animals out of a zoo, instead of Mexicans over the border like in the original.
>>319524032
It does when Capcom pans the camera away from Mika's ass slap in all versions of the game.
>>319524924
Sounds gay as fuck desuhonest
>>319524032
What's wrong with being conscious of your fellow man?
There's no winning,
Even learning japanese doesn't mean games will be uncensored.
I give up.
Dont bother OP they cant win, we always find a way
Tits is life, ass is hometown
>>319525172
At least some companies still have some balls
>>319519580
You sound like a jew
There is no line to fall in, what are you implying anyway? So much for saying nothing, while writing much.
>>319525282
That's why I buy virtually everything xseed localizes. Just to support them having balls.
>>319525172
Through dick, unity.
>mfw when I called it before it ever became a thing.
>mfw this was the reason why I bought the first DoAX
>mfw people laughed.
>>319522978
Bump :)
Anyone who censors is against freedom and i find it ironic that most femnazis and nu-males are from murrica.
>>319525571
Are like 40% of Young Americans in favor of censorship?
>>319517526
>It's unethical
Explain how. While justifying your opinion, keep in mind at all times that games are not art and weebshit is the equivalent of a 50 cent porno rag.
>>319525720
>>>/tumblr/
>>319522978
>MODS PLZ HALP, CENSOR THIS OPINION
Get outta here
>>319519285
>>319519580
>>319519960
Because PMfags are obnoxious faggotron jew fedora faggots, as you have once again proven.
>>319524994
>Not wanting Mantequilla: The Game
Viva la mexico!
>>319523205
Shut up, plz
There is a clear growth in sexual censorship, so dont hide your head in the sand, sjw
>>319525959
Have any more buzzwords sempai?
>>319524220
yea it does cuz slash V slash is my personnel army and if u don't do wut i say i will cort marshal u by firing squad
>>319523360
>something recent happens
>people talk about the happening
Jeez i wonder why :^)
>>319526132
Let's play spot the buttmad redditor Project Manchild
>censorship=companies adding or removing content from their games because they think it's going to improve their image or sales
>>319525959
Ironically you sound even more obnoxious than the most zealous PM fans.
>>319526224Yes, give me more.
I honestly can't remember a game that was censored that I have played that actually affected the game in anyway.
That takes me to "Really don't give a shit" status.
If a little girls panties get changed into hot pants to keep the age rating low, that isn't censorship to me. It's a change to satisfy culture change and not affect the games rating. Some "compromises" have to be made to appease that different culture.
Bur yeah, covering up an ass cheek on a young girl literally means nothing to me. I don't play games just to see skimpy clothing. I have the internet for that.
>>319523205
Fuck off retard. /v/ has always been against censorship. You don't remember the outcry about Mugen Souls in 2012, do you?
>>319526313
>He doesn't know about NISA
Oh you sweet summer child.
>>319526284
Why don't you download that new patch? Oh wait, there isn't one!
GOTEEEM
>>319526313
What about games not getting localized because localizers face harassment and death threats on a daily basis
Don't they do these things for the ESRB?
Like a bikini makes it teen, so they turn it into a halter top?
I hate media and public censorship, but I can understand marketing to increase potential sales, but if you aren't giving NA and boob slider then don't give it to JP
What we should have are two version. A censored one and an "as intended" version.
>>319526375
>Remember
You have to see something to remember it.
>>319526461
No the ESRB is far laxer than localizers will admit.
>>319526425Just spray it all over my face like the whore I am.
>>319518352
If it was never harmful, then there is no reason to get upset if the company making the game doesn't want to show it.
>>319526132
>not recognizing how buzzword is a buzzword
Kek
>>319526568
Meme is a meme
>>319526448
At this point, that's basically everyone, apparently.
>>319526408
I don't play trashy weeb games like that.
>>319526448
That's not my problem. If publishers want to take these "death threats" over the internet seriously then that's up to them. We all know it's bullshit.
>>319526627
Yeah its not like someone from Xseed has someone show up at their house or anything
>>319526627
>dev dies
>no moar gaem
>>319526657
Got any proof of that?
>>319526627
Yep. It's all bullshit until someone shoots up an abortion clinic.
>>319526476
Yeh he probably came here in 2015 this summer.
>>319526713
>someone says to kill yourself 4chan
>i do it
>>319526243
>due to feminist propaganda in certain region
At least finish the sentence
>>319526764
Everything is bullshit until it happens. Someone probably posted the navy seal copy pasta to them and it's probably their first time reading it.
>>319526771
>>someone says to kill yourself 4chan
You said death threats, you idiot. Stop moving goalposts
WE'RE FIGHTING A WAR PEOPLE. A WAR. Don't give in to the SJW menace that want to censor anything that goes against their tiny and sheltered worldview. We stand for freedom. Freedom against that which oppresses.
>>319526867
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
>>319526867
I'll see you outside your house tomorrow night.
>>319520683
No one asked you for the first reply dipshit. No one gives a fat stinker about you.
>>319526786
That doesn't change anything, you always adapt your content to the culture you're aiming at
>>319526856
>the hollowcost is bullshit, that's not gonna happen
>9/11 is bullshit, that's not gonna happen
>columbine is bullshit, that's not gonna happen
>some autist on /r9k/ isn't actually going to shoot people. They're too beta
>>319527096
>proving my theory
you alright?
>>319527056
This. It's about satisfying the most amount of people (which is not this board believe it or not) for money, which is what the video game industry basically is. Unless something changes of course.
>>319517882
>What kind of disgusting prick defends ANY kind of censorship?
Fanboys.
What kind of stupid question is that?
Nintendo fanboys defend Nintendo exclusive games with censorship.
Sony fanboy defend Sony exclusive games with censorship.
Xbox fanboys defend xbox exclusive games with censorship.
Same for fanboys of some specific series. To them it's not about censorship, it's about someone criticizing the game, series, or company they shill. And that's unacceptable to these kind of retards so they will defend everything, not just censorship.
Then, obviously, we have those special snowflakes that actually do feel offended by something and actually think something they don't like is harmful for everyone and should be controlled and censored but those are actually a minority.
>>319527031
>p-p-pls self-censor your opinion
Wew lad
>>319526563
What a leap into a nonsensical premise
>>319526602
As of right now, people use "can this x meme stop" and other variations, so yes i also consider meme a meme
>>319527187
And to satisfy the most people KT isn't going to bring DoAX3 to the west even though it sells better in the west than in japan?
>>319527162
>le hollow cost neber habben hitlr dindu nuffins he wuz gud dick tater we knead mo munny fo dem j00 killin programs
>>319517526
Im still waiting for a game that doesnt unrealistically sexualize women but doesnt pretend men and women are exactly the same for fear of being called sexist
You all are cancer
You literally buy video games for womens asses and shit to be thrown into your face 24/7, to be distracted from actually playing the game, when you have unlimited free porn than you could ever imagine
Fuck tumblr and fuck you all
>>319519013
Confirmed underage faggot.
For example, back in the early 90's Square Soft was already criticized for it's religious censorship.
>>319519501
>>319518852
>>319517526
Anyone here has said BINGO board the OP is talking about?
>>319527261
>Everyone who got replied to by Navy Seal pasta is now dead
shieeeeet
>>319527193
>replying to a post telling some anon "don't ask"
WHUT AR YU, CENSORING QUESTSHUNS? HUEHUEHUE
I want Reddit to go.
>>319527190
>Xbox fanboys defend xbox exclusive games with censorship.
Nah, they've never done thisbecause the xbox has no exclusive games
>>319517882
Nintendo fans. they are mindless drones defending anything relate to Ninty, right or wrong they dont give a fuk.
>>319527338
>blackposting
KEKEKEKEKEK SO FAHNNY XD
Shut the fuck up.
>>319526313
>It's a change to satisfy culture change and not affect the games rating. Some "compromises" have to be made to appease that different culture.
A "culture" of people who dont even play video games.
Jesus fucking christ you people could not be more pathetic and kucked
You actually want sexualized women in vidya because you're so lonely, yet wont allow it because it would make women mad at you
Jesus fucking christ what the hell is wrong with you all
>>319527253
Idk. I'm just some random dickhead, but there's probably more than just "SJW" behind their decision not to release it in the west. Or maybe it is. It's their decision if they really think they'll get tons of backlash for releasing DoA.
>>319526919
Fucking this.
Why are you guys just letting these SJW hamplanets take away your freedom on a whim? It's everyone's duty to sustain liberty and freedom of speech, no matter how little the cause. Also, this is a MASSIVE fucking slippery slope. This is basically feminazis getting their foot in the door of information control, and if this problem isn't nipped at the bud (read: NOW) we'll be seeing the consequences for generations.
Do your fucking part.
>>319527289
Truth is, nothing will ever be enough for you, and you really shouldn't be pandered to since you can't be pleased.
>>319527289
Why is the female form considered art in any other media but videogames?
Why are feminists slowed to shit paint out of their vagoos in public (completely naked) and its okay/feminist art, but the thought of men playing vidya with boobtease and skimpy outfit is Doom upon society at large?
I don't give a shit about censorship. It's the hypocrisy that does it for me. And you know what else falls under hypocrisy- lack I consistent application of criteria ? Oppression .
>>319517526
If you want to fight censorship, you need to fight those people who try to censor SJW-friendly games, by painting colored characters white, etc.
>>319527470
>You actually want sexualized women in vidya because you're so lonely,
A LOT OF PROJECTING FOR A HIRED GUN
>>319517526
Xenoblade, to me, has far more problems other than the censorship.To start.
>the mechs are just a side part of the game
>the main focus is dressing up anime kids and watching dialogue and cutscenes
Makes me unhappy that people want all robot games to be like this. I just hope nobody touches Mechwarrior with this rhetoric.
>>319517882
Fanboys. They don't really defend it directly most of the time, they use mental gymnastics to justify it as "not censorship" instead. Usually using the tired "it's localization" argument which is really shitty because it equates proper translations to removing content.
>>319527524
no seriously, there is no fucking way you could want women being sexualized vidya unless you've literally never had sex or even held a girls hand
it just ruins the suspension of disbelief
but you people wont allow yourselves it in your vidya because thats sexist and will alienate you even more from women
my sides
>>319527545
>Makes me unhappy that people want all robot games to be like this.
It's not a robot game dumbfuck. Did you even watch a single trailer.
>>319527190
this
>>319527470
Beer commercial nudity: check
Sports commercial nudity: check
Car commercial nudity: check
Art nudity: check
Cacophonic porn (its a thing) : check
Oh, wow , look at that... Sexuality and sex have been represented in all aspects of our lives in all media available since the stone ages...
It's like, its a part of us, as humans, to want to express our innermost desires. Sex being our strongest .kill yourself, underage faggot
>>319527470
It's more about the parents who buy these games for their kids. If they find out their 14 year old son is playing as a naked loli, the kid might not care but the parent would be disgusted, and disgusted parents are very vocal about these things and you really don't want any sort of press calling your game a "paedo game".
Also, I didn't say I support it. I just said I understand it. I also said either way, I don't really care since that's not what I play games for, so calm down you little man child.
>>319527506
>Why is the female form considered art in any other media but videogames?
But it isn't?
The physical media equivalent of your vidya is playboy magazines, not some high art or social statements
>>319526313
> that isn't censorship to me.
Sounds like you might be retarded.
> It's a change to satisfy culture
Oh, you are.
>>319527335
>>319527809
>I'm going to put perfectly valid arguments on a picture, then they're no longer valid
clever
>>319527809
Looks like >>319526313 already got a few of those.
>>319527847
None of those are perfectly valid arguments.
>>319527807
Looks like our priorities are different there champ, but you go ahead and boycott that jrpg cause they covered up that 10,000 year old loli succubus' thigh. Like i give a fuck.
>>319527807
>sounds like you might be retarded.
Because he knows what censorship means?
>>319527689
[projecting intensifies]
>>319527689
You make no sense.
>>319527847
None of those are valid.
>>319527883
Pick any one of those squares and tell me why it's bullshit.
>>319527689
>it ruins the suspension off disbelief.
So what you're saying, is that a girl's boobs and ass are so alien to you that it literally triggers the thought "this isn't reality, it can't be, because I don't see boobs/ass in my daily life".
You're admitting to this. And some other anon whose suspension of belief still holds up when seeing a naked woman, he's the virgin?
Youre that special kind of retard, aren't you? -An actual mongoloid.
A virgin mongoloid. Angry at virtual female boobs and ass because ou can't get none in your life.
Pathetic.
>>319527883
>>319527916
You're wrong
>>319527809
>apologist
>stating the actual reasons why things are changed whilst staying neutral about the matter
I guess if you really want to be mad about something you can play this
>>319527883
>It's a picture made by some random, therefore it's infallible.
>>319527931
I'll do you one better
YOU pick any one of those squares, and apply this answer to it.
>"Censorship is unethical. Period."
No amount of projecting, strawman, or straight up lies will change this.
>a company changes some of their stuff to impre their chances of settling in other countries
>this is considered censorship equivalent to China censorship according to /v/irgins
You guys are hilarious
>>319527790
http://www.arthistoryarchive.com/arthistory/european/European-Ideal-Beauty-of-the-Human-Body-in-Art.html
The oldest statue in the world is that of a naked woman( statue for fertility).
Please kill yourself, uneducated revisionist American filth.
>>319527916
>>319527883
>>319528059
>Oh, cool that awesome game I've been waiting for for years is out.
>Wait, it doesn't condone pedophilia?
>better not buy it, else I'll get kicked out of the non e-moose lee john.
>>319527709
>commercials
So you admit you buy games based off base instincts and not for how good they are, which is why commercials use these tactics?
And dont get me even started on the "art"
People who WANT sex in media are fucking retards. The fact that it works to pander to people with art and commercials... just
Seriously?
Grow the fuck up you projecting little faggot
I havent even played a game demo for sexual reasons since playing DOA as a 11 year old. Seriously what in the fuck is wrong with someone who buys entertainment media for sex appeal?
You are the lowest of the low, the existence of you retards just causes everything you have influence on to have less quality
But that doesnt mean video games have to pretend men and women are all exactly the same and women are just as strong as men and shit
Why is everyone a fucking idiot?
>>319528059
>"Censorship is unethical. Period."
Oh, okay
So, when I censor myself from shouting NIGGERS MUST DIE while walking through the streets, I'm doing something unethical?
Thanks for clearing that up for me anon I was confused for a second
>>319528059
Until you get into the semantics of what you mean by 'censorship', when SOME of these cases seem more like 'changes in design' for any number of possible reasons.
>>319528139
Go away tumblr
>>319528119
That doesn't counter anything I said anon
Nice statue tho
>>319528134
And this is why I can't take apologists seriously.
Perhaps you yourself are a pedophile, and that's why you see pedophilia in places where it does not exist.
Does that one Nirvana album cover bother you too? Sick-o
>>319527959
No, having the camera go down onto a girls ass ruins immersion
Having women unrealistically sexualized as much as possible, having massive double G cleavage in your face 24/7 (like in the witcher 3) unlike in real life ruins immersion
I have no problem with games sexualizing women as much as they do themselves in real life. The problem is they always either go way beyond that, or the game pretends like men and women are exactly the same and any differences is misogyny
Wake the fuck up you autistic retards
>>319527931
>we wouldn't have it at all if it wasn't censored!
Every game that's been censored recently has been no worse than games that have been released in the past, mainly stuff like SK which has underage girls having their clothes violently torn off, among other games.
>It made the medium seem immature
Nothing can make videgames seem more immature than they already are. Removing a titty slider or a lewd outfit to appeal to children and families doesn't really make it look more mature, either, in fact it intentionally does the opposite.
>It's a cultural difference
Not a valid point when you're localizing a game. Sexuality isn't something that doesn't exist in western culture; in fact it's much stronger in western culture.
>They needed a lower age rating to make a profit
This one is the only one that's possibly valid since it's more of a case-by-case basis, but higher age ratings have a very negligable effect on sales. If you're referring to it getting an M instead of an AO though, then you're wrong (unless it's literally porn).
>Move to a different country if you hate our laws so much
There have been very few cases of censorship to conform to legal standards.
>Free expression means that artists are free to censor themselves
If someone else bullied them into it, they're not doing it of their own will. Also, 99% of the time it's a localization group censoring it, not the devs.
>It's not censorship, per se
Whenever someone says this, it is censorship.
>If you want to fap, go watch some porn
Justifying removal of content with "but porn exists" is ridiculous
>I actually prefer the censored version
Okay, but most people don't
>Excuse me for having common decency
If you had decency you wouldn't be wasting your time justifying the censorship of digital images and would be focusing on something worthwhile instead
>Just go watch it on Youtube
Why even play videogames then
>>319528325
So you're saying games today hit both extremes. Reasonable.
>>319528204
>hurr you dont want women having massive cleavage in your face 24/7 ruining immersion so you must want video games to make women exactly the same as men biologically because acknowledging our differences is sexism
Is there truly no hope for the vidya industry to not be shit?
>>319528237
>only comeback is filled with ad hominem and baseless assumptions
gg no re
>>319527809
A better version of this image would be if you included counterarguments to each.
Right now you're just pointing out that you already know what the responses are so you don't have to actually argue against them. It looks desperate.
>>319528393
yes
jesus finally someone understands lol
>>319528375
>Not a valid point when you're localizing a game. Sexuality isn't something that doesn't exist in western culture; in fact it's much stronger in western culture.
It's very much a valid point if you iontend to move copies in that different culture, and since they're a company they kinda want to do that
>If someone else bullied them into it, they're not doing it of their own will.
Yes, they're doing it because they're part of a company and are told to change their shit to move more copies
They're not a charity
>Whenever someone says this, it is censorship.
No, they just know what the word actually means, and it's not 'someone did something different than the initial draft'
>>319528375
>>It's a cultural difference
>Not a valid point when you're localizing a game. Sexuality isn't something that doesn't exist in western culture; in fact it's much stronger in western culture.
Not when it comes to under aged girls. That shit is voodoo in the west, mainly because of how fucking rampant pedophilia is there and how it destroys lives.
>>319519013
But loads of people are mad about the censorship of religious themes in Xenoblade X as well as the sexy outfits.
>>319528532
>voodoo
>>319517526
Oh, go back to playing the new Beach Volleyball.
Oh, wait, that got so censored it's not seeing release!
>>319528532
I think you mean taboo
>>319517526
>Censorship is censorship. It's unethical no matter what, and you're a piece of shit if you defend it in any way.
top kek
>>319528673
Except you can import it. It's even in English.
>>319528139
>you admit you buy games based o commercials
Whut? Are you in third grade? That reading comprehension
>don't get me started on the art
Because you're an uncultured swine. We're you to visit any high calibre institution , you'd be exposed to exquisite displays of the male/female form and sexuality. There's even an orchestral piece which was banned in Russia for being "lewd" and imaging sex+detumescence. But of course you wouldn't know this, you're an uncultured pig, screeching and harping your delusions.
>the fact that TV and music panders to a large portion of our society
Means it reflects a larger part of society than contrarian reactionaries such as yourself. Society at large craves sex where as you're too pathetic to get any, so you shun it. Deal with it.
>grow the fuck up, projecting
Says the uneducated , uncultured, delusional swine.
>I haven't bought a game for sex since I was 12
Me neither. I have no reason to, since I'm gay an alienated from the sexual side of the market.
But all in all, I'd say you're the only one projecting insecurities in here.
It's not even a case of "pearls before swine" anymore. Youre legitimately insecure and projecting as hard as you can.
>everyone else is an idiot!
>why can't everyone else see that I am right?
>Why aren't other people like me ? They must be inferior because they're different.
>>319528603
>>319528693
yep sorry, i was keen to get back to playing with my dick
>>319528160
Huge strawman.
How do we go from vidya to skinhead chants in the same discussion? (Oh right, the Hitler argument.)
>>319528759
Have fun paying those lovely import fees.
>>319527931
Continued
>is the censored content so important to you
Even if it isn't, I don't want any more examples for people to point to to justify further censorship in the industry when localizing a game.
>Nobody forced them to censor it
No, but they sure as fuck pressured them into it.
>You just want an excuse to whine
You just want an excuse to be a contrarian/defend your favorite company/game.
>This sort of thing happens all the time
Which is why it needs to stop.
>They barely even changed anything.
And? I'd rather they change nothing, most people would.
>If you boycott it, they won't bother localizing the sequels.
If people didn't censor games, ask for games to be censored, or defend censorship, there wouldn't be a boycott in the first place.
>The censored version was done by the same artist.
I think this happened one time with Carpe Fulgur and Fortune Summoners, and the artist did it because CF lied and told them it would be impossible to release the game otherwise.
>Gameplay is the only thing that matters
Sure but why defend them wasting time removing content that they could spend bugtesting and ensuring that the localization won't fuck up the gameplay somehow? Games that have 0 bugs introduced in localization are rare; if people wasted less time thinking about what to remove and replacing/removing content, they'd have more time for QA.
>Won't somebody please think of the children
Oh no, the poor virtual children who don't exist! How horrible!
>Entertainment is not art. It doesn't deserve artistic freedom.
Art is subjective and you don't get to determine what gets artistic freedom.
>You only wanted to buy it for the censored scene.
And now they aren't going to buy it. Why? So soccer moms and tumblrites won't get upset about the game? Who cares?
I skipped one or two because the rebuttals would be virtually identical to shit I'd already typed.
>>319528821
But it's not
You literally said "Censorship is unethical. Period."
This does not mean 'sometimes', this means 'literally always'
Self-censorship is also censorship according to the retarded people in these threads
If I censor myself in my daily life, I do it to improve my social standing, my social capital, my image, my chances at getting a good job, my chances at people liking me, and so on
If a company 'censors' itself, it does it to improve their image, to improve their social and monetary capital, to improve their chances at settling in a new country
It's not a stzrawman, it's a valid counterexample to your bullshit
>>319528229
>shown that women's sexual functions have been represented in art since time immemorial
T-that doesn't p-prove a thing.
Are all Americans as retarded as you? Holy shit!
>>319528325
>video-games should cater to my needs and desires exclusively
There's a reason bondage wear and cuffs sells for the bedroom. We all have our kinks. Seems to me like YOU are the one that has to wake up to the fact that other people have different kinks and tastes. What are you, a 16 y.old?
>>319529000
>You literally said "Censorship is unethical. Period."
No he didn't. I did.
>>319528821
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Huge strawman.
That's exactly what you said, you dense motherfucker. You best be shouting the propaganda you spew here at the tippy top of your lungs, or else you're a censorship fag.
>>319529062
You're anon, he's anon, you're him, he's you
i don't know what the term "censorship" means anymore ;_;
>>319528526
>It's very much a valid point if you iontend to move copies in that different culture, and since they're a company they kinda want to do that
And yet censored games have historically shown to sell a lot less or at the very least, never move more copies than similar titles.
>Yes, they're doing it because they're part of a company and are told to change their shit to move more copies
By people who won't buy the game.
>No, they just know what the word actually means, and it's not 'someone did something different than the initial draft'
You don't know what censorship is.
>>319528532
>Not when it comes to under aged girls. That shit is voodoo in the west,
The USA is full of disgusting shit that sexualizes actual children, nobody sane gives a fuck about cartoon girls in a videogame. Pedophilia is just as rampant in Japan and they don't give a shit for the most part, since it's a lot healthier for people to jerk it to cartoons than to jerk it to kids.
>>319529062
No, I'm fairly sure I did.
>>319529112
It means 'restraining yourself' from acting like the huge asshast you actually are'
Refer to >>319528160 and stop censoring yourself, goyim
>>319528375
>Also, 99% of the time it's a localization group censoring it, not the devs.
So true, happened recently. A dev was forced by the publisher to censor his game. He tried to fight it back but failed.
>>319529170
What game
>>319526085
Like there was a growth in shitty journalism in 2014?
Like there was a growth in shitty drm in 2013?
>>319523665
Then why didn't you do anything back in the 90s when this shit was started up? Oh yeah, because its bandwagoning.
>>319528375
>>319528880
Wow, I didn't think someone would actually take the time to refute all of them. Thanks, I guess.
>>319529121
>And yet censored games have historically shown to sell a lot less or at the very least, never move more copies than similar titles.
Do you have any sources and examples? Because that'
s such an odd statement to make. How do you even compare that? Do you have two parralel-universes, where the same thing was released at the same time in the same place, but one was censored?
>By people who won't buy the game.
No, by those people responsible for maintaining the image of the company, generally the PR people
>You don't know what censorship is.
Nobody in this fucking thread does
>>319529121
>And yet censored games have historically shown to sell a lot less or at the very least, never move more copies than similar titles
Gonna need a source here because that sounds like bs
There hasn't been a single thing censored in recent memory that I'm remotely bothered by.
And when there is? I'll do the same as you faggots:
go and whine about it on an anonymous Malaysian Origami board and watch as nothing I say, or do, affects one iota in the grand scheme of things.
>>319529121
>>319529273
You two need to learn to space your posts, god damn they're hard to read
>>319529240
Sorry I can't say for multiple reasons you should figure out.
>>319529376
You wot
Black=new, green=old
>>319528229
Did you even open the article?
Or can your delusion just not bear the dissonance?
>>319529340
Well to be fair a tiny sect of /v/ and /gg/ users have been emailing companies and shit.
But yeah, the guys that just moan about it on an anonymous image board are pretty nauseating
>>319529420
The important part isn't 'but it isn't, it's 'The physical media equivalent of your vidya is playboy magazines, not some high art or social statements'
>>319529250
>Like there was a growth in shitty journalism in 2014?
But there's all shitty journalism
>Like there was a growth in shitty drm in 2013?
But there's all shitty DRM
Are it implying that /v/ doesn't accomplish anything and just complains for the sake of it? What a thing to imply.
>>319529443
There's both sides here.
So, technically, both sides are useless faggots until they mail someone about it
>>319529121
>And yet censored games have historically shown to sell a lot less or at the very least, never move more copies than similar titles.
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>319529419
It's one giant block of text that's hard to stay focused on, though. A better way to lay it out would be:
>green
blackblank line
It's a lot less busy on the eyes this way.
>>319529121
>And yet censored games have historically shown to sell a lot less or at the very least, never move more copies than similar titles.
MK on SNES sold a ludicrous amount
>>319529483
Don't move the goalposts justbyet son. Not until you first admit defeat on the first point of this debate "does sex exist in art" can we move on to a second one.
>>319529273
>Do you have any sources and examples? Because that's such an odd statement to make. How do you even compare that?
Well for example, compare the sales of Mugen Souls to other NISA games. It sold like shit because of the censorship debacle to the point where they had copies of the limited edition sitting in their store for years after the game released and one of their employees was begging people to buy Mugen Souls on a livestream.
Not to mention anytime word gets out that a game was censored, you get a huge number of people avoiding that game. Now how often do you see people saying "I'm going to buy this game only because it was censored?" Not that often.
If you want some numbers, Carpe Fulgur's sales dropped like a fucking rock with Fortune Summoners, which sold a lot less than even Chantelise (a game most people will say is mediocre at best) because of the censorship debacle.
>No, by those people responsible for maintaining the image of the company, generally the PR people
Who are listening to people who won't buy the game anyway, and never planned to.
>Nobody in this fucking thread does
Sure. You're the one here saying people suppressing objectionable content aren't suppressing objectionable content.
>>319529545
True.
Maybe start a hash tag or something? Try to gain traction?
I dunno, but I got tired of complaining about it a week in to the Bravely Default shitposting
>>319529597
I've been doing that shit for about half a decade and I think you're the first to complain
>>319529687
It's the first time I've ever complained about it t.b.h. It's always irked me though.
>>319529660
But that's not even the argument
Of course sex and the appreciation of it exists in art that's not even an argument
>>319529670
Nothing to do with Mugen Souls being niche and awful then...?
>huge number
A few people bitching in comments isnt a huge number
>>319529670
>Sure. You're the one here saying people suppressing objectionable content aren't suppressing objectionable content.
No, I'm the one saying that a company deciding to change parts of its content to prefer its image in certain regions is completely valid and not censorship in the original sense of the word
>>319529762
>Nothing to do with Mugen Souls being niche and awful then...?
Doesn't stop a lot of NISA's other games from selling.
>A few people bitching in comments isnt a huge number
"A few people" is a significant amount when we're talking about NISA's fanbase.
>>319529806
>>319529762
Anyway, care to share any cases where a censored game clearly boosted sales?
Oh right, it doesnt increase sales, so you can't even come up with half-assed evidence like mine. So at best you can say it's shown to have no effect on sales - which still invaildates the "games wouldn't sell if they're not censored" argument.
>>319529753
I suggest putting a ruler or other straight tool to your screen to help you keep track of the lines:^)
I wouldn't care that much about the censorship if I didn't know about it. This is why gaming is fucked now, we know too much, this shit never would've happened pre-2005
>>319529883
>So at best you can say it's shown to have no effect on sales
Not really, we can only say that we have no conclusive data
Someone has to write to those companies to ask them for detail
>>319529883
Burden of truth is on you, son.
Besides, boosting sales by beefing your game down from a 15 to a 12 allows more of your install base being able to buy it.
>>319529931
Exactly, people can say hurrr you never cared in the past, but in the past we didn't have direct access to developers through social media and the internet to research shit.
You people say you don't care because it doesnt effect gameplay, but when gameplay DOES get censored like in Pokemon (The game corner is every fucking release after RBY) you fucking hide in the mist.
>>319529761
Then you're complaining that someone else's taste is too base ?
And what's the problem with playboy mags, exactly? Do you not acknowledge the -fact- that photography is considered art?
Why would photography of the female form be inately debasing? Do you have something against the female form? Or are you willing to perhaps admit that some playboy shoots can be art?
Do you even know how much is covered up in playboy mags, and the amount of work put into each shoot with lightning/colour/pose as well as choosing a target with the right sex appeal to the audience, which reflects current cultural values? You know reflecting cultural values is intrinsic to art, right?
>>319529678
Bumping this.
Let's be proactive instead of bitching.
>>319529805
>give you a gun
>tell you that you either shoot your kid or yourself
>if you can't choose, you both die in flames
B-BUT NO ONE MADE HIM PRESS THE TRIGGER! HE CHOSE TO KILL HIS KID TO STAY ALIVE! HE CHOSE!
>>319530026
>Then you're complaining that someone else's taste is too base ?
No, I'm complaining about them making a comparison between their vidya and actual art like it's somehow equivalent, when the better comparison is cheap sexualized trash
>And what's the problem with playboy mags, exactly?
Nothing, as long as you acknowledge that it's not some high art, but just the satisfaction of your primal needs
>>319529921
Good idea, I will do this. Thank you.
>>319530075
>Let's be proactive instead of bitching.
That's rich.
>>319529964
>Not really, we can only say that we have no conclusive data
Really, because we have a little evidence pointing towards it reducing sales. Anyway, if there's no effect whatsoever other than a few niche games clearly losing sales, then that means there isn't really much reason to do it.
>>319530127
Epic strawman bro
>>319530127
Most retarded /v/ analogy of the hour, anon, good job that's a renowned title, many try hard for it
>>319530127
ThIs is the arguments you people think is valid?
Low quality argument tools
Most of you loud, obnoxious idiots don't even know what censorship is. You don't realize how fucking retarded you sound when you also bring up "self-censorship" when game devs change things internally. That's called pandering.
Raving about "self-censorship" is the same as SJWs raving about "internalized misogyny."
>>319530026
Premature post-sending
>Do you even know how much is covered up in playboy mags, and the amount of work put into each shoot with lightning/colour/pose as well as choosing a target with the right sex appeal to the audience, which reflects current cultural values? You know reflecting cultural values is intrinsic to art, right?
Yes, and I'm sure the artists of your vidya also put a lot of work into their pantsu shots
But peopöle don't buy those things to appreciate the effort, they buy it to jerk off to it
>>319529660
>>319530026
Toppest tier reading comprehension there, numbnuts.
>>319529805
>No, I'm the one saying that a company deciding to change parts of its content to prefer its image in certain regions is completely valid and not censorship in the original sense of the word
So if a company decides to alter/remove content in a work because they find it morally objectionable (in their region), then they aren't altering/removing content in a work becaus they find it morally objectionable?
Yeah, you sure know the definition of censorship and definitely aren't just pulling off some doublethink to justify it as "not censorship" because you're a fanboy/retard/insane person.
>>319519013
>>319530303
>because they find it morally objectionable
No, because they think others will find it morally objectionable, and they think that will decrease their image or reduce their sales
There's a difference
>>319530267
The people in this thread behave identically to SJWs because they are SJWs. Their idea of social justice is different, but they will gladly become keyboard warriors in service of it.
>censorship
the correct term is localization. these things aren't acceptable in western culture so they're changed.
>>319530375
That meme has already been posted
>>319530379
>No, because they think others will find it morally objectionable
>They aren't altering or removing content because it's moreally objectionable, it's because it's morally objectionable! It's not censorship
It's censorship. You're doublethinking.
>>319517526
Honestly I hate it as well but I find the way /v/ gets riled up about censored shit really fucking funny.
like if I ever was making a game and it became or was becoming popular I would include 'fake' censored stuff in it in the sequel or whatever.
I would take a character or something, make a post on twitter or something showing off a fake outfit or whatever that is lightly lewd, then a week or so later show off her real outfit that I actually intended for her to have from the very start and say something like "due to people stating dislike over the outfit we have decided to change it to a less revealing outfit" or something like that.
and the best part is people like /v/ would provide free advertising in the form of constantly calling me and the game SJW keks or something like that and many would still buy it
>>319530483
Nice blog post
>>319530023
Don't ignore this, guys.
I want to see how you defend censored gameplay too.
>>319530293
The guy replied with apples to oranges and moved the goal posts on his first reply. I missed it, thanks for pointing that out .
>>319530289
Playboy mags are considered art even when people buy them for a jerk .
Same way you can't say a car is not art just because some guys like sticking their penis to the exhausts.
>>319530478
It's censorship in the same sense that >319528160 is censorship. Everyone always censors themselves. The thing is that the word completely loses its meaning by that definition. Anything you or the company thought about doing, but didn't because they though it'd reduce their image or sales or whatever, can be considered censorship. Maybe they had three design changes before the one that went public, but they thought the initial one was too lewd even for their country.
That's kind of retarded.
>>319530610
>Same way you can't say a car is not art just because some guys like sticking their penis to the exhausts.
What the fuck am I reading
So virtually anything is art because Man will put his penis inside of it?
>>319530610
> moved the goal posts
You are retarded and illiterate. I'm surprised you use your computer without forgetting to breathe.
>Same way you can't say a car is not art just because some guys like sticking their penis to the exhausts.
Well then, your mom must be quite artistic.
>>319524604
street fighter V wasn't censorship it was literally just an adjusted camera angle in a beta. the outfit wasn't even changed. If you start considering that censorship then literally every alteration during game development becomes censorship.
>>319530174
>>319530196
>>319530253
>CHANGE ARTISTIC VISION OR YOURE A MYSOGINIST AND YOU GET SLANDERED !
>change artistic vision
I DIDNT DO A THING! HE CHOSE! HE CHOSE!
>>319530253
Starwmans are great for establishing parallels. They are only not suitable tools when used for shitposting or when debating with pretencious faggots who stay on the offensive and don't bother cementing an opinion of their own (intellectual dishonesty and a subtle fallacy in that "proving" the counterpoint has flaws, it makes your undefended and unsupported claim more suitable)
I don't give two shits about when titties and outfits and shit like that are censored because as an Australian we often get much much more important shit censored to get pissed off about something as trivial and pointless as a little bit of skin getting covered up
>>319530908
I also like Starwars man
>>319530663
Self-censorship is done of your own will rather than because others pressure you into it. It also has to be done by your own self, and not a third party like 99.999% of cases of censorship in games are.
>The thing is that the word completely loses its meaning by that definition
Okay, well I guess if the word's actual dictionary definition makes it lose its meaning to you, then the word is meaningless to you from the start and you're a huge retard for arguing over it in the first place.
>>319530954
>Self-censorship is done of your own will rather than because others pressure you into it.
Yes, now prove that they were pressured into it by some force stronger than them, and didn't change it because their PR department told them it'd make them look better
>Okay, well I guess if the word's actual dictionary definition makes it lose its meaning to you, then the word is meaningless to you from the start and you're a huge retard for arguing over it in the first place.
By applying the word to every fucking situation where someone showed some restraint you're completely deflating the meaning of the word, yes
>>319530749
>guy puts penis in vagina
Oh my god , that's not art.
>guy puts penis in car exhaust
Hes a weirdo. There's more to cars than jizzing in them . they're an accomplishment of modern engineering.
Do you finally see what I'm getting at?
>>319530814
>my point: sex IS art
>your point: well, it's "low" art.
...
It turned the whole conversation into a "why do you consider the female form debasing?" Instead of "why so you consider the female form art?"
>"cultural differences"
If you're past the age the ratings board suggests and can't handle the adult nature of the content, then the only "cultural difference" that that would imply is one of never growing up.
If the person playing it is not past the age the rating board suggests, then that's the family's fault.
>>319531083
>Yes, now prove that they were pressured into it by some force stronger than them, and didn't change it because their PR department told them it'd make them look better
>prove they were pressured into it, and not that they were pressured into it
Okay.
>By applying the word to every fucking situation where someone showed some restraint you're completely deflating the meaning of the word, yes
>by applying the word to every situation where it's applicable
Okay.
Again, you seem to think people complain about self-censorship. The only time I can think this happened to a game is Street Fighter 5. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of cases are done by a third party, so your argument is completely void.
>>319531228
>>prove they were pressured into it, and not that they were pressured into it
But now we're back to square one: Whenever someone does something because they think it's better for them, be it to improve their image, increase their sales, improve their social standing, improve their relation with the media, it can be considered censorship, and the whole argument is null and void and we just wasted an hour
>>319530602
I think the sales of the games speak for the severity of the issue.
The people generally don't care and just want to play their monster catching games.
>>319531314
When the person comes out and say they had reasons to believe they'd face repercussions for a specific act, that's usually enough substance to file restraining orders where I'm from.
>>319531314
>Whenever someone does something because they think it's better for them, be it to improve their image, increase their sales, improve their social standing, improve their relation with the media, it can be considered censorship
Yes, it can when they're doing it to someone else's work (which is the case 99.99999% of the time). That is the definition of the word.
Thank you for agreeing.
>we just wasted an hour
Well that's what happens when you argue in circles with an illogical and contradictory opinion.
>>319531438
yeah for repercussions that result into fellonies being committed against you, not repercussions like SJW's saying "don't buy this game on kotaku".
You walk into an internet debate with a SJW. "I'll show you who's boss of this gym" she says transgenderly, clearly illustrating her understanding of power dynamics as they function in society at large.
What is your reply?
